Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 28, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: xboxbox451 on July 28, 2005, 03:50:00 PM
Yes, I enjoyed playing GTA, though I never applied "Hot Coffee" to it, and I don't see much of an interest to add such a hack. As an adult gamer I find Hot Coffee to be a bit overboard, and don't see it being much of an interest to other adult gamers. Therefore, the only attraction to such a mod is probably teen gamers. I know if I was in my teens, this sort of thing would have attracted my curiosity.
So, why would Rockstar add such content knowing it would be illegal for teen viewing? Particularly since teens are their bread & butter when it comes to sales.
GTA was obviously developed with the teen demographic in mind and the sexually explicit content was their controversial shock & awe advertising gimmick.
Yet again we fall prey to the entertainment industry demeaning the morals of society as a way to gain profits. Its just a shame they target children.
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 07:52:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxbox451 @ Jul 28 2005, 06:01 PM)
So, why would Rockstar add such content knowing it would be illegal for teen viewing?
Well, if we went by the ESRB, this game shouldn't be in the hands of minors in the first place.
I have to give some credit toward GTAGarage though, sticking up for modders and hackers alike is no tough job. I really hope that the ESRB will respond to this... Along with Hillary Clinton; That should be nice, soomeone is probably writing her response now.
.nF
Post by: d0wnlab on July 29, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
(this is all my sarcasm/the media's generic view of the matters.)
hackers plant viruses, which are bad.
hackers add pornography into otherwise decent (hahaha) games. (yeah right, I didn't just go chainsaw a stripper in my (unmodded) GTA, then buy a hooker and drive her off a cliff and bail).
Post by: DjO on July 29, 2005, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(DjO @ Jul 29 2005, 12:03 PM)
that's because sex is alot worse than violence.
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: darkblizzard on July 29, 2005, 01:41:00 PM
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Wow ESRB is a load of crap. I founded the first Xbox GTA Modding site sometime in June and so far we've got roughly 190 members and 3500 posts. We are still keeping Hot Coffee on our site and plan to produce some more mods excluse to the Xbox.
IMPEACH HILIARY CLINTON (hmm..if thats possible)
Dissemble ESRB!
Make Rockstar PAY!
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 03:07:00 PM
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DarkBlizzard,
Nice job on the site, just checked it out. Finally a site that plans to make mods that a exclusive. Did you get inspiration from GTAGarage? Or was it one single-handed effort? Looking forward to some mods from your site.
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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The following is a link to a well-written press release obtained from GTAGarage.com:
MUST READ PRESS-RELEASE!
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: darkblizzard on July 29, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
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Post by: darkblizzard on July 29, 2005, 01:41:00 PM
IMPEACH HILIARY CLINTON (hmm..if thats possible)
Dissemble ESRB!
Make Rockstar PAY!
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 03:07:00 PM
Nice job on the site, just checked it out. Finally a site that plans to make mods that a exclusive. Did you get inspiration from GTAGarage? Or was it one single-handed effort? Looking forward to some mods from your site.
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on July 29, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
MUST READ PRESS-RELEASE!
Post by: darkblizzard on July 29, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
QUOTE(n00bFRAGGER @ Jul 29 2005, 04:18 PM)
DarkBlizzard,
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: Keshire on July 30, 2005, 12:31:00 AM
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I could care less about the actual game content. But this scares the crap out of me.
Last thing I want is to have to break any type of file encryption. Or deal with every game using in-house/propietary file formats.
break file encryption and every "Tecmo" will be on your ass.
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: darkblizzard on July 30, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
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Ya no shit
....what the hell is ESRB doing! Now if by chance there is another GTA, it will be encrypted and probably have been looked over many times to be sure its "secure" so us hackers cant make the so much worse than it alreadt is.
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: ipodder2003 on August 10, 2005, 09:56:00 AM
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It makes me laugh that killing cops isn't bad enough for them, but having sex is. 99.9% of the world will have sex at least one time by the time they die (if we're counting X-S forums alone, the number dramatically decreases
) wheras something like .000000001 percent of the world will kill a cop. Anyone think the priorities are a little skewed here?
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on August 14, 2005, 06:49:00 AM
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IPodder2003,
The ESRB seems to a hard case of not listening to anyone and the senators are in love with creating their own little dictatorship. It's almost like they know that attacking video games would be one sided, and they could stay in office by having the media blow things out of proportion and then have the first of the end users (the parents) to become outraged and become uniformed... and get votes.
I have to say that this "scandal" couldn't have come at a better time. Attacking Rockstar is at a perfect time since there are now a load of games that can just be added onto the list of "Terribly violent" games.
If I could ever get the chance to talk to one of these "Child-Safety Advocates", I'd ask them if they were really doing any good for the public and not just trying to get votes to stay in office. I really believe that there are MUCH better thing that our senators can be doing with OUR MONEY than just farting around and using video games as scapegoats. IPodder2003 speaks of about .000000001 percent of people that actually want to go out shoot a police officer because they saw it in a video game. Why take out an industry that is really advancing America in it's computer technology when there are MUCH GREATER risks that .000000001 percent. Like smoking for example. What is that doing for America? Are tobacco products advancing American economy? Is tobacco Americas top killer? Are Senators really THAT blind to see that there are bigger fish in the sea that are actually proven to kill people???
Why must our Senators be so blind.
_rant_terminated;
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: satans_banjo on August 15, 2005, 04:10:00 AM
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haha i love this argument. it just sums up america in every way (no offence to americans)
think about how it first began: god-fearing pilgrims who would never dream of pre-marital sex would go over to new lands and mercilessly kill whatever is there
now it's the philosophy of video games: "by all means kill endless people with chainsaws, flamethrowers or other methods (including burying some bloke's portaloo under cement) - just don't have sex. sex is wrong and unnatural. it should be banned"
sure, i love san andreas. i love shooting people in the head based on what part of the city they live in, or what colour their clothes are. but adding sex to it should barely be noticable. wait a minute - are those BREASTS i see?????
everyone's too uptight and needs to get laid
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Title: Gtagarage.com Fights Back!
Post by: Olipro on September 04, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
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ok, so the game files are now all encrypted, so we now have main game EXE's that have to decrypt them, ok, so now we have them decrypted for us at runtime...
so now if we like, we can simply edit the EXE to not use encrypted files and feed it unecrypted ones, to make our lives easier, or just re-encrypt everything.
so what end result are we looking at here? simply, a pissed off modding community who now have to make an unnecessary exercise in pointlessness cracking the game, less interest in the game from skilled modders and ultimately, something that the only protection from is law, and frankly, sueing the individuals who have purchased your merchandise for finding new ways to enjoy it is, to put it frankly, fucking stupid, and an excellent way of gaining both hate, and thus less customers buying your games.
Post by: Keshire on July 30, 2005, 12:31:00 AM
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"Going forward...the ESRB calls on the computer and video game industry to proactively protect their games from illegal modifications by third parties, particularly when they serve to undermine the accuracy of the rating."
I could care less about the actual game content. But this scares the crap out of me.
Last thing I want is to have to break any type of file encryption. Or deal with every game using in-house/propietary file formats.
break file encryption and every "Tecmo" will be on your ass.
Post by: darkblizzard on July 30, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
....what the hell is ESRB doing! Now if by chance there is another GTA, it will be encrypted and probably have been looked over many times to be sure its "secure" so us hackers cant make the so much worse than it alreadt is.Post by: ipodder2003 on August 10, 2005, 09:56:00 AM
) wheras something like .000000001 percent of the world will kill a cop. Anyone think the priorities are a little skewed here?
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on August 14, 2005, 06:49:00 AM
The ESRB seems to a hard case of not listening to anyone and the senators are in love with creating their own little dictatorship. It's almost like they know that attacking video games would be one sided, and they could stay in office by having the media blow things out of proportion and then have the first of the end users (the parents) to become outraged and become uniformed... and get votes.
I have to say that this "scandal" couldn't have come at a better time. Attacking Rockstar is at a perfect time since there are now a load of games that can just be added onto the list of "Terribly violent" games.
If I could ever get the chance to talk to one of these "Child-Safety Advocates", I'd ask them if they were really doing any good for the public and not just trying to get votes to stay in office. I really believe that there are MUCH better thing that our senators can be doing with OUR MONEY than just farting around and using video games as scapegoats. IPodder2003 speaks of about .000000001 percent of people that actually want to go out shoot a police officer because they saw it in a video game. Why take out an industry that is really advancing America in it's computer technology when there are MUCH GREATER risks that .000000001 percent. Like smoking for example. What is that doing for America? Are tobacco products advancing American economy? Is tobacco Americas top killer? Are Senators really THAT blind to see that there are bigger fish in the sea that are actually proven to kill people???
Why must our Senators be so blind.
_rant_terminated;
Post by: satans_banjo on August 15, 2005, 04:10:00 AM
think about how it first began: god-fearing pilgrims who would never dream of pre-marital sex would go over to new lands and mercilessly kill whatever is there
now it's the philosophy of video games: "by all means kill endless people with chainsaws, flamethrowers or other methods (including burying some bloke's portaloo under cement) - just don't have sex. sex is wrong and unnatural. it should be banned"
sure, i love san andreas. i love shooting people in the head based on what part of the city they live in, or what colour their clothes are. but adding sex to it should barely be noticable. wait a minute - are those BREASTS i see?????
everyone's too uptight and needs to get laid
Post by: Olipro on September 04, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
so now if we like, we can simply edit the EXE to not use encrypted files and feed it unecrypted ones, to make our lives easier, or just re-encrypt everything.
so what end result are we looking at here? simply, a pissed off modding community who now have to make an unnecessary exercise in pointlessness cracking the game, less interest in the game from skilled modders and ultimately, something that the only protection from is law, and frankly, sueing the individuals who have purchased your merchandise for finding new ways to enjoy it is, to put it frankly, fucking stupid, and an excellent way of gaining both hate, and thus less customers buying your games.