Post by: Shoue on August 29, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: runawaywarthog on August 30, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: Juniorman030790 on August 30, 2005, 07:42:00 PM
You would think as much attention this crisis is getting that it would actually make front page of X-S <_<
Post by: marky-b on August 30, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
for all those with a few bucks lying around, dont be afraid to donate to the red cross. i've donated $150. hardly enough to do much, but if everyone gave a lil bit, there'd be hundreds of millions of dollars to help out with the flood victims.
part of me feels bad for them, and another part of me is damn glad i live in minnesota
~marky
Post by: killerbootsman on August 30, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: Juniorman030790 on August 30, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
QUOTE(killerbootsman @ Aug 31 2005, 04:39 AM)
And i just bought an xbox game off ebay from a guy from Mobile, Alabama. It's gonna take like 2 weeks for it get to me.
:o You're worried about getting a game after one of the worst hurricanes of the decade has hit that area?! Marky gave $150 of the money he was saving to buy an LCD screen with to help out all the people who have been wiped out. Now, that's sad
Post by: Baner on August 30, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
The power company I work for here in Gwinnett is preparing some lineman crews to send to Mississippi next week to help out. I'm trying my hardest to get them to send me with them, but I don't think they'll let me help out in my position.
Everyone knew it was coming, but for some reason, it seems like the weaker hurricanes of this year got more pre-landfall publication then Katrina.
They are estimating this to be the second most costly hurricane to hit North America. Something like an estimated $18+ billion dollars in insurance damage.
I hope everyone is safe, last death count I heard was 55, which I find to be pretty low for a hurricane that size and the damage it did.
Post by: xbox beat box on August 31, 2005, 06:44:00 AM
All of these offers, and more, the Military Leaders of the United States have declined, and for the their previously stated reason: The United States Government and its People Respectfully Decline your offer of assistance and refer you to our previous State Department Bulletin (NCO:13788) in which we had stated that this remains an internal action. "
Post by: Baner on August 31, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
Anyway, just wanted to say my number of 55 deaths was way off... that was just one county in Miss. and even that counties count is up to 80+ today.
Post by: xbox beat box on August 31, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/31/D8CATNA80.html
Here in Ottawa Canada, radio stations have banned the song "New Orleans is sinking" by The Tragically Hip, great tune. It is censorship with a touch of class.
This post has been edited by xbox beat box: Aug 31 2005, 06:10 PM
Post by: bluedeath on August 31, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Baner @ Aug 31 2005, 10:34 AM)
What can you expect? America is a young foolish country that is going thru that phase in thier life where they want to do everything on thier own, I think they call it the terrible twos.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: reidtheweed03 on August 31, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
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actually you jumped the gun, it does take a little time for news to get out because i just saw all that on fox news, along with all of the companies that are giving too.
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Post by: Juniorman030790 on August 31, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
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I think others may have already seen it but just now there was a report of citizens walking the flooded streets with AK-47's. :( :( :( They were even shooting at police :o :o
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Post by: thesideinguy on August 31, 2005, 10:36:00 PM
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well its pretty close to anarchy. my sister evacuated slidell to Huston Saturday and went to check on her house today. she talked to some local police and this is what they had to say. new Orleans is under marshal law. it probably wont be publicized and the media arnt really allowed to talk about it. the looters have basically declared war against the law enforcers. on cop tried to stop a looter and got shot in the head. a rescue crew tried to save a few stranded people and they opened fired on them trying to steal their boat. swat and the national guard are being overwhelmed with the craziness. its not that hard to believe said the police, you got a bunch of crack heads and gang bangers looting gun shops and pawn shops and arming up to clam any thing they want. law enforcers have the order to use deadly force now, they are trying desperately to show these people that there is still law in the land under water.
o BTW, from my uncle , which is on the levy board in N.O.
all the pumps are inoperable, and 2 of the pumps are missing. the hurricane destroyed them and blew them away. so that doesnt really help the water problem down there.
well that's the news i have.
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Post by: bluedeath on August 31, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
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Civil unrest can spread. They need to get this under control quickly.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: bluedeath on August 31, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
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Why are they moving the people who took shelter in the superdome to the astrodome? That makes no sense. Why not send them to empty military barracks somewhere or a cheap casino in Nevada. Anything. Setup a tent city like they did with Hurricane Andrew.
Pack them into another sports arena? WTF
What are these people going to do? Sleep in the bleachers and eat hot dogs.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 01, 2005, 04:29:00 AM
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Post by: reidtheweed03 on August 31, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox beat box @ Aug 31 2005, 02:48 PM)
"Being kept from these American people also by their Military Rulers have been the uncounted offers of assistance from Nations all around the world, including: Venezuela has offered their Medical Airlift Command for the evacuation of peoples trapped in these devastated regions; Holland has offered the resources of their Public Works Ministry (and who are the acknowledged World Experts for below sea level water evacuation procedures); Russia has offered over 100,000 temporary living structures, along with Military Personal to assist their American counterparts; Iran has offered 1 Billion US Dollars in immediate assistance and guaranteed 5,000,000 barrels of oil at $35.00 US Dollars; China has offered their Military Rescue Forces (Who are acknowledged as one of the best in the world for rescuing peoples in flood ravaged areas.)
All of these offers, and more, the Military Leaders of the United States have declined, and for the their previously stated reason: The United States Government and its People Respectfully Decline your offer of assistance and refer you to our previous State Department Bulletin (NCO:13788) in which we had stated that this remains an internal action. "
All of these offers, and more, the Military Leaders of the United States have declined, and for the their previously stated reason: The United States Government and its People Respectfully Decline your offer of assistance and refer you to our previous State Department Bulletin (NCO:13788) in which we had stated that this remains an internal action. "
actually you jumped the gun, it does take a little time for news to get out because i just saw all that on fox news, along with all of the companies that are giving too.
Post by: Juniorman030790 on August 31, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: thesideinguy on August 31, 2005, 10:36:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox beat box @ Aug 31 2005, 10:10 AM)
It must be hell on earth down there in New Orleans.....No one is allowed in, no one is allowed back for months.
well its pretty close to anarchy. my sister evacuated slidell to Huston Saturday and went to check on her house today. she talked to some local police and this is what they had to say. new Orleans is under marshal law. it probably wont be publicized and the media arnt really allowed to talk about it. the looters have basically declared war against the law enforcers. on cop tried to stop a looter and got shot in the head. a rescue crew tried to save a few stranded people and they opened fired on them trying to steal their boat. swat and the national guard are being overwhelmed with the craziness. its not that hard to believe said the police, you got a bunch of crack heads and gang bangers looting gun shops and pawn shops and arming up to clam any thing they want. law enforcers have the order to use deadly force now, they are trying desperately to show these people that there is still law in the land under water.
o BTW, from my uncle , which is on the levy board in N.O.
all the pumps are inoperable, and 2 of the pumps are missing. the hurricane destroyed them and blew them away. so that doesnt really help the water problem down there.
well that's the news i have.
Post by: bluedeath on August 31, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on August 31, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
Pack them into another sports arena? WTF
What are these people going to do? Sleep in the bleachers and eat hot dogs.
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 01, 2005, 04:29:00 AM
QUOTE(bluedeath @ Sep 1 2005, 07:10 AM)
Why are they moving the people who took shelter in the superdome to the astrodome? That makes no sense. Why not send them to empty military barracks somewhere or a cheap casino in Nevada. Anything. Setup a tent city like they did with Hurricane Andrew.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: thesideinguy on September 01, 2005, 06:57:00 AM
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Post by: buttface96 on September 01, 2005, 07:59:00 AM
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Post by: thesideinguy on September 01, 2005, 06:57:00 AM
QUOTE(reidtheweed03 @ Sep 1 2005, 03:40 AM)
Post by: buttface96 on September 01, 2005, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Sep 1 2005, 03:57 AM)
Why on earth the French decided to populate land below sea level is beyond dumb.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: LepPpeR on September 01, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
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Post by: LepPpeR on September 01, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox beat box @ Sep 1 2005, 11:11 AM)
Does anyone know any website where you can find out what is really happening?
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Title: Katrina
Post by: LepPpeR on September 01, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
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All I can do is hope that our citizens and gov. pony up the money and workers to help rebuild those costal communities.
Its is chaotic there right now. It will be for a while until we can some how get in with our military (national gaurd) in there to calm that region.
I do not think that anyone outside that area can comprehend the devistation of the area. This tragedy will have a large life and is very hard to understand.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: pug_ster on September 01, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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I don't think this hurricane (in terms of power of the hurricane) is as bad as Camille in 1969. However, even with today's technology, those engineers think they can build casinos along the mississippi gulf coast and they would be impervious to a modern day level 4 hurricane.
I am sorry to say that New Orleans is a diaster waiting to happen because it is under the sea. We have to think about a) abadoning the city of New Orleans or filling the 'punchbowl' up and build on top of it.
I would not be surprised that there are dead people floating around and being eaten by reptiles... I don't think most americans can stomach that news anyways...
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
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www.wwltv.com - a N.O. tv station, with a live feed of their news coverage and all.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: pug_ster on September 01, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
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And we can thank Mr. Bush for concentrating funds to the war on Iraq instead of fixing the levys in New Orleans. Also, you can thank Mr Bush for turning over wetlands in that region to developers, which a reversal of the policy of his dad and what Clinton did.
http://service.spieg...,372455,00.html
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Title: Katrina
Post by: BILLS on September 01, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
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Post by: LepPpeR on September 01, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
Its is chaotic there right now. It will be for a while until we can some how get in with our military (national gaurd) in there to calm that region.
I do not think that anyone outside that area can comprehend the devistation of the area. This tragedy will have a large life and is very hard to understand.
Post by: pug_ster on September 01, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
I am sorry to say that New Orleans is a diaster waiting to happen because it is under the sea. We have to think about a) abadoning the city of New Orleans or filling the 'punchbowl' up and build on top of it.
I would not be surprised that there are dead people floating around and being eaten by reptiles... I don't think most americans can stomach that news anyways...
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox beat box @ Sep 1 2005, 12:11 PM)
So, anybody have any sites they can recomend?
www.wwltv.com - a N.O. tv station, with a live feed of their news coverage and all.
Post by: pug_ster on September 01, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
http://service.spieg...,372455,00.html
Post by: BILLS on September 01, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(pug_ster @ Sep 1 2005, 05:22 PM)
And we can thank Mr. Bush for concentrating funds to the war on Iraq instead of fixing the levys in New Orleans. Also, you can thank Mr Bush for turning over wetlands in that region to developers, which a reversal of the policy of his dad and what Clinton did.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
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The people on the streets of new orleans were practically left there. All are minorities, all are poor. They were left for dead. Military ships that left from norfolk will take days to get there, the USS Comfort a week; it will be too late.
There have been countless studies that showed what would happen to the city in a major hurricane, there were plans for decades to build up the levees, install more flood walls, etc, I guess the few billion for that wasnt worth it (after all, we have to spend 100k on a traffic light in CA ,250million for a bridge in alaska*, and give the oil companies tax breaks), now the gov't can spend 10 billion dollars to clean up the mess + the billions and billions in the private sector to rebuild the city. Everyone else in the nation can pay more in insurance rates as a result. Meanwhile the white houses friends in the oil industry are having no problems exploiting the situation to make even more money.
*And another 3 billion to make a documentary on how alaska is spending their money! This is in state with no income tax, no sales tax, and its citizens are actually PAID to live there (again because of the oil!).
Fucking ridiculous.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
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http://www.jamaicaob...E_ABANDONED.asp
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Title: Katrina
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 01, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
There have been countless studies that showed what would happen to the city in a major hurricane, there were plans for decades to build up the levees, install more flood walls, etc, I guess the few billion for that wasnt worth it (after all, we have to spend 100k on a traffic light in CA ,250million for a bridge in alaska*, and give the oil companies tax breaks), now the gov't can spend 10 billion dollars to clean up the mess + the billions and billions in the private sector to rebuild the city. Everyone else in the nation can pay more in insurance rates as a result. Meanwhile the white houses friends in the oil industry are having no problems exploiting the situation to make even more money.
*And another 3 billion to make a documentary on how alaska is spending their money! This is in state with no income tax, no sales tax, and its citizens are actually PAID to live there (again because of the oil!).
Fucking ridiculous.
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
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Jamaica was among the nations offering what help they could. But the Kingston embassy, while stating its appreciation for the support, politely declined the offers, saying in a statement: "The United States Government is not yet requesting international assistance at this time."
http://www.jamaicaob...E_ABANDONED.asp
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 01, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(pug_ster @ Sep 1 2005, 10:22 PM)
And we can thank Mr. Bush for concentrating funds to the war on Iraq instead of fixing the levys in New Orleans. Also, you can thank Mr Bush for turning over wetlands in that region to developers, which a reversal of the policy of his dad and what Clinton did.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: bluedeath on September 01, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
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This whole situation has been heightened by the growing social rift in this country. The rich got out of town and the poor had to stay behind. It was the end of the month and the welfare and foodstamps had not hit yet. How did anyone expect these people to get out.
Shortly we will see pictures of white soldiers killing black people. It doesn't matter if the killing is justified (the looters are out of control). This has the potential to spread and instigate a race war if not a social class war.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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the president does not believe that global warming exists, so how could that affect anything at all *sigh*. I believe that the army corps of engineers built the 17th street canal and levees (although the state did not oppose it, of course, it was supposed to revitalize the industrial part of the city). The oil companies of course made a huge push for the creation and expansion of the canal (for their barges). Speaking of states though, I hear that the Gov. of Mississippi is defending the president 100% which makes sense since he is a former RNC chairman and served as chairman of then-Governor George W. Bush's presidential campaign advisory committee in 2000. (source). Mr Barbour was also a lobbyist who fought AGAINST the Kyoto accords. (Again with the global warming)
The president has reduced funding for FEMA, and has 1/3rd of the LA national gaurd in Iraq. Maybe he should have been more concerned about the well being of a major US city then hunting around a desert for non-existent WMDs.
in good news, ChevronTexaco plans to donate $5 million to relief aid, lets see if the other oil companies follow their lead.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
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http://www.salon.com...index_np.html?x
http://www.tpmcafe.c...8/30/212451/290 (Quoted from the June 8th, 2004 edition of the NO Times-Picayune)
http://news.yahoo.co...phehavetohappen
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Title: Katrina
Post by: thesideinguy on September 01, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
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about the military aid thing, let me fill you in on just a little taste.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: kevinlekiller on September 01, 2005, 09:01:00 PM
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Heres some information on katrina (this is were I was looking from day 1)
http://en.wikipedia....rricane_Katrina
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Post by: melongstrike on September 01, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
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hey kevinlekiller thanks for the best news site on Katrina I have seen thus far!
Has anyone seen a movie that predicts hurricane Katrina, the series of events before, and the disaster for years to come after?
My g/f says sh watched it about 3 months ago where they named it Katrina and it was to hit NO and take out part of the oil reserves...
it's content should be similar to the link below ... pretty interesting story.
hopefully, I added hyperlink in correcly. check it out
If anyone knows of the story (movie) I am asking for please advise Thank you.
The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror
read pag then scroll down and enter site click exert for a clip
Oil Factor http://www.theoilfactor.com/
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Arvarden on September 02, 2005, 02:52:00 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4207202.stm
"US troops, armed with a shoot-to-kill policy, are being sent to New Orleans to quell growing lawlessness, four days after Hurricane Katrina hit."
If the State provided food, water, clothing and transport for the people of N.O maybe they wouldn't have to resort to stealing. Instead of providing security why doesn't the government get it's act in order and get the people out instead of flexing it's muscles?
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Title: Katrina
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 02, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
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Post by: bluedeath on September 01, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
Shortly we will see pictures of white soldiers killing black people. It doesn't matter if the killing is justified (the looters are out of control). This has the potential to spread and instigate a race war if not a social class war.
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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It may have been an act of God. But its devastating impact was also determined by the folly of our leaders.
the president does not believe that global warming exists, so how could that affect anything at all *sigh*. I believe that the army corps of engineers built the 17th street canal and levees (although the state did not oppose it, of course, it was supposed to revitalize the industrial part of the city). The oil companies of course made a huge push for the creation and expansion of the canal (for their barges). Speaking of states though, I hear that the Gov. of Mississippi is defending the president 100% which makes sense since he is a former RNC chairman and served as chairman of then-Governor George W. Bush's presidential campaign advisory committee in 2000. (source). Mr Barbour was also a lobbyist who fought AGAINST the Kyoto accords. (Again with the global warming)
The president has reduced funding for FEMA, and has 1/3rd of the LA national gaurd in Iraq. Maybe he should have been more concerned about the well being of a major US city then hunting around a desert for non-existent WMDs.
in good news, ChevronTexaco plans to donate $5 million to relief aid, lets see if the other oil companies follow their lead.
Post by: heinrich on September 01, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
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In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut the Corps of Engineers' request for holding back the waters of New Orleans' Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the Corps to impose a hiring freeze.
http://www.salon.com...index_np.html?x
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"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay," Maestri said. "Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
http://www.tpmcafe.c...8/30/212451/290 (Quoted from the June 8th, 2004 edition of the NO Times-Picayune)
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New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.
Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.
Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in
Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.
Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in
Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
http://news.yahoo.co...phehavetohappen
Post by: thesideinguy on September 01, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: kevinlekiller on September 01, 2005, 09:01:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia....rricane_Katrina
Post by: melongstrike on September 01, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
Has anyone seen a movie that predicts hurricane Katrina, the series of events before, and the disaster for years to come after?
My g/f says sh watched it about 3 months ago where they named it Katrina and it was to hit NO and take out part of the oil reserves...
it's content should be similar to the link below ... pretty interesting story.
hopefully, I added hyperlink in correcly. check it out
If anyone knows of the story (movie) I am asking for please advise Thank you.
The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror
read pag then scroll down and enter site click exert for a clip
Oil Factor http://www.theoilfactor.com/
Post by: Arvarden on September 02, 2005, 02:52:00 AM
"US troops, armed with a shoot-to-kill policy, are being sent to New Orleans to quell growing lawlessness, four days after Hurricane Katrina hit."
If the State provided food, water, clothing and transport for the people of N.O maybe they wouldn't have to resort to stealing. Instead of providing security why doesn't the government get it's act in order and get the people out instead of flexing it's muscles?
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 02, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Sep 2 2005, 11:03 AM)
http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4207202.stm
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Lord Magnus on September 02, 2005, 05:00:00 AM
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Man, I can't believe the video that Arvarden posted about wal-mart... "To serve and protect" hu? What have we come down to?
On the other subject... try to read independent media... that's where you find out the truth about what's going on. No matter if it's about N.O. marshall law, or the real motives behind "Iraqi Freedom". CNN, FoxNews, and most (if not all) of the big news entities never tell the full story.
Just my opinion.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 02, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
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Post by: Lord Magnus on September 02, 2005, 05:00:00 AM
On the other subject... try to read independent media... that's where you find out the truth about what's going on. No matter if it's about N.O. marshall law, or the real motives behind "Iraqi Freedom". CNN, FoxNews, and most (if not all) of the big news entities never tell the full story.
Just my opinion.
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 02, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Sep 2 2005, 05:26 AM)
http://www.zippyvide...ing-in-walmart/
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Title: Katrina
Post by: awal on September 02, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
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That is really sad. I think what bungie is doing is great http://www.bungiesto...p?idproduct=322
I want one bad.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Baner on September 02, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
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Not sure if you are talking about in this situation or in basic police training... but the average everyday policeman is trained to shoot only when either shot upon, or they feel there is an immediate risk to ones life. and they are trained to shoot to deter. If killing them is the only way, then that action must be taken.
If everyone followed the law in the first place, they would not be trapped. There was a mandatory evacuation a day or two before the arrival of the storm. Also, that doesn't mean everyone in the area will be shot, but those carrying guns, threatening a civilian's, officer's, or military personnel's life, have a good chance of being shot at. (Amen)
BTW Blue: My statement was suppose to be a joke, a metaphor comparing America's actions to one of a toddler that is learning to do things on thier own, and denying help from anyone. I'm not sure how that was ignorant, since that was the government's exact mentality when they turned down the offers.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: bluedeath on September 02, 2005, 10:24:00 PM
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Post by: awal on September 02, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
I want one bad.
Post by: Baner on September 02, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
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and told to shoot-to-kill, but they just arnt as good at it
Not sure if you are talking about in this situation or in basic police training... but the average everyday policeman is trained to shoot only when either shot upon, or they feel there is an immediate risk to ones life. and they are trained to shoot to deter. If killing them is the only way, then that action must be taken.
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do you not realize that people have to be picked up at their homes by helicopters because you cant drive, dont you think those people that are trapped would get in their cars and drive away, or do you think that they just like sitting on top of roofs for no reason.
If everyone followed the law in the first place, they would not be trapped. There was a mandatory evacuation a day or two before the arrival of the storm. Also, that doesn't mean everyone in the area will be shot, but those carrying guns, threatening a civilian's, officer's, or military personnel's life, have a good chance of being shot at. (Amen)
BTW Blue: My statement was suppose to be a joke, a metaphor comparing America's actions to one of a toddler that is learning to do things on thier own, and denying help from anyone. I'm not sure how that was ignorant, since that was the government's exact mentality when they turned down the offers.
Post by: bluedeath on September 02, 2005, 10:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Baner @ Sep 2 2005, 09:18 PM)
BTW Blue: My statement was suppose to be a joke, a metaphor comparing America's actions to one of a toddler that is learning to do things on thier own, and denying help from anyone. I'm not sure how that was ignorant, since that was the government's exact mentality when they turned down the offers.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 02, 2005, 11:01:00 PM
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Post by: reidtheweed03 on September 02, 2005, 11:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Baner @ Sep 3 2005, 05:18 AM)
Sorry... after I saw pugs post about blaming this on Bush... it made me laugh.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Arvarden on September 03, 2005, 01:54:00 AM
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Post by: Arvarden on September 03, 2005, 01:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Juniorman030790 @ Sep 3 2005, 06:50 AM)
Ok that statement pisses me off big time 
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 06:31:00 AM
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So you are saying its their fault? How the fuck are some of the nations poorest citizens supposed to get in their non-existant cars, pay for gas with the money that they dont have, drive hundreds of miles to hotel, again, with no money. The entire evacuation plan revolved around people getting out the city on their own.
And now that the storm has come and gone, people CANNOT just "leave". Even the FNC was covering this during H&C last night - there is a checkpoint exitiing the city, you cant just get up and walk out of the city - they are literally locked in their till the gov't takes them out.. 4, 5, 6 days later..
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
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The Mayor of NO's said that the levees would not hold on sunday when he ordered the evacuation.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 07:05:00 AM
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You guys that are blaming the president for this are so ignorant its laughable. The idiot governor was in charge of this from day one. She was the brainchild that decided to put all of these people in the stadium with no cots, no food, no water, and minimal bathroom facilities. It was also her job to let the federal government know what she needed and when. She didnt ask for help until wednesday to save face. Get your heads out of your asses. Did you know that the levys were updated under this administration and not Clintons? So in effect, you could say that Clinton is to blame? Hell no, but thats about the same as saying its Bush's fault. They ALL handled this poorly. Now we got liberals coming out and using this as yet another political strategy to mar Bush. Some people have no shame. The mayor of the city is liberal, the governor is liberal, the senators are liberal, yet its a republicans fault LOL. And tell me when the federal government is just going to rush into a state without the state's consent. Heard of states rights? Thats the basis of our form of government. If you knew shit about it and had an ounce of sense, youd know that. The city handled this poorly, the state handled it poorly, and when they hesitated for days, people want to blame Bush. And because they hesitated the place became a warzone where the "refugees" began shooting at cops and people trying to save them. Did they think that they could assemble troops and deploy in 10hrs with some sort of a plan in place? Laughable. Now we got idiots like "the reverend" Jesse Jackson saying that this is all racism. Does good ol jesse know that the mayor is black? Does he know that the mayor bumped all of the tourists in front of the line to get them on the buses first? Ahead of all of the black people? Who's doing shit wrong here? Maybe the blacks will figure out who represents them now. And it damn sure isnt some democrat willing to do some CYA rather than help the helpless. I dont know how you people have the intelligence to mod an xbox if you cant even see through this shit. Amazing.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 07:36:00 AM
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http://gov.louisiana...ief Request.pdf
Dated August 28th.
You are right though, its not just Bush's fault, its incompetence on all levels. You could see that even the local gov't had no plan at all from the beginning, when they stuck 20k people in the superdome, not having any idea of whether the the roof would rip off, or even if the the entire structure might collapse. It certainly doesnt excuse Bush for playing golf and strumming on a guitar while people drowned in their own homes though.
Its crazy that there are STILL 2 thousand people in the superdome, and thousands more throughout the city.
Edit: why do you have "the reverend" in quotes?
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 08:04:00 AM
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Why is it in quotes? Well, basically because he touts himself as "the reverend jesse jackson" when in reality he is just a political activist, or as he is called in my circles, a nut. He began the Rainbow Push Coalition and has done NOTHING but show up in front of tv cameras when it suits him. Being the political activist that he is, is how he gets paid. Its the same with good ol Al Sharpton. They capitalize on photo ops and paid speaking events to call people racists and thats all they do. Any way that they can attack Republicans or any conservative cause is the opportunity for them to make cash. Have you seen the Cindy Sheehan photo? The New York times and other liberal rags cropped out all of the cameras to hide the fact that it was a staged event. I'll find the photos and show you what I mean. Its all about money as usual, and normally theres nothing wrong with that, but its what these guys do to make cash. Then you have the congressional black caucus that had a press event the other day and instead of saying "we are coming together to raise money for our people" or something respectable like that, they said that Bush was killing there people. Then the prize Martin Luther King juniors son came up to the mic and started talking about how blacks should be able to steal the tv's and nikes because they were oppressed by the white man and that if that was how they needed to make money, so be it. Its all a sham. Then rap genius Kanye West gets up in front of America and says how Bush hates black people. The irony is there, that the telethon raised millions of dollars before he spoke, and after he spoke, the donations dropped off like a wrecking ball through the ocean. I guess some of the people cant always fall for this tripe. Ok, thats enough. You only asked about Jesse Jackson LOL. Anyways, your a smart and respected person in the scene and I dont mean to attack, but Im just getting dizzy from hearing this stuff. Its all made to fuzzy up the truth of what really happened. There are lots of people to blame here, but lets do that after the work of saving people is done. I dont even really blame the governor or anyone in particular. Our nation has never seen this before, and mistakes are going to be made. Its unforgivable, but thats the hard truth that some people cant come to grips with.
Oh and I read the pdf, and that is all relevant. What isnt is the fact that she later said that (on CNN) she asked for 40,000 troops to assist in securing the city and holding order. Complete BS. She asked Wednesday, not monday. The troops started arriving on Wednesday evening. How much faster did she think theyd begin arriving?
Here is what the papers showed you
Here is what they didnt show
http://littlegreenfo...batAndAl-02.jpg
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 08:20:00 AM
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Hmm wouldnt let me add the second image, here it is.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:30:00 AM
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Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 06:31:00 AM
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If everyone followed the law in the first place, they would not be trapped. There was a mandatory evacuation a day or two before the arrival of the storm.
So you are saying its their fault? How the fuck are some of the nations poorest citizens supposed to get in their non-existant cars, pay for gas with the money that they dont have, drive hundreds of miles to hotel, again, with no money. The entire evacuation plan revolved around people getting out the city on their own.
And now that the storm has come and gone, people CANNOT just "leave". Even the FNC was covering this during H&C last night - there is a checkpoint exitiing the city, you cant just get up and walk out of the city - they are literally locked in their till the gov't takes them out.. 4, 5, 6 days later..
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
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"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm. But these levees got breached. And as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded. And now we are having to deal with it and will."
The Mayor of NO's said that the levees would not hold on sunday when he ordered the evacuation.
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 07:05:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 07:36:00 AM
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She didnt ask for help until wednesday to save face.
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And tell me when the federal government is just going to rush into a state without the state's consent. Heard of states rights? Thats the basis of our form of government. If you knew shit about it and had an ounce of sense, youd know that.
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And tell me when the federal government is just going to rush into a state without the state's consent. Heard of states rights? Thats the basis of our form of government. If you knew shit about it and had an ounce of sense, youd know that.
http://gov.louisiana...ief Request.pdf
Dated August 28th.
You are right though, its not just Bush's fault, its incompetence on all levels. You could see that even the local gov't had no plan at all from the beginning, when they stuck 20k people in the superdome, not having any idea of whether the the roof would rip off, or even if the the entire structure might collapse. It certainly doesnt excuse Bush for playing golf and strumming on a guitar while people drowned in their own homes though.
Its crazy that there are STILL 2 thousand people in the superdome, and thousands more throughout the city.
Edit: why do you have "the reverend" in quotes?
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 08:04:00 AM
Oh and I read the pdf, and that is all relevant. What isnt is the fact that she later said that (on CNN) she asked for 40,000 troops to assist in securing the city and holding order. Complete BS. She asked Wednesday, not monday. The troops started arriving on Wednesday evening. How much faster did she think theyd begin arriving?
Here is what the papers showed you
Here is what they didnt show
http://littlegreenfo...batAndAl-02.jpg
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Juniorman030790 @ Sep 3 2005, 02:50 AM)
The fucking government has their shit together you uneducated fuck. They have all patients evacuated from all hospitals. The national guard and other things are evacuating about 90,000 people and hour from that hell hole!
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
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And Heet, even though cindy sheehan has nothing to do with this hurricane, it wasnt the "The New York times and other liberal rags" that cropped anything - they all use AP and Reuters photos; The one they printed is shown here.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
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no, i was saying how the jesse jackson look alikes jump on photo ops and give false representation. I was replying to your question. "reverend jesse", "reverend al". Same thing. And yes, it was the mayor that gave the order to jump the tourists in line. Both pictures were available at the time, they CHOSE to use the smaller one. It was even mentioned on CNN, which really surprised the hell out of me. And ya, calling members idiots isnt needed, maybe misinformed? Of course you could say the same about my views so.....................
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Title: Katrina
Post by: itsmee129 on September 03, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
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I like that name <3
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Title: Katrina
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
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Heet, my point was that he IS an ordained minister, regardless of anything he says. By putting quotes around reverend, you are implying that maybe he doesnt deserve that title. Its not much different from people who use quotes around president george bush - implying that he doesnt deserve to be in that office.
Choosing a different photo is different from "cropping to hide" something. Although I still dont see what that has to do with the hurricane, except that you wanted make to comments about the 'liberal rags'... for some reason. BTW, is the washington post one of those papers you include in the 'liberal rags' group?
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 04, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
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Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: itsmee129 on September 03, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
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Katrina
I like that name <3
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
Choosing a different photo is different from "cropping to hide" something. Although I still dont see what that has to do with the hurricane, except that you wanted make to comments about the 'liberal rags'... for some reason. BTW, is the washington post one of those papers you include in the 'liberal rags' group?
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 04, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Sep 3 2005, 11:15 AM)
Have you seen the Cindy Sheehan photo? The New York times and other liberal rags cropped out all of the cameras to hide the fact that it was a staged event. I'll find the photos and show you what I mean. Here is what the papers showed you
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 04, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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Ya thats epic. I guess she can quit disgracing and discrediting her son's service now. I really doubt she will though. She will most probably write a book, or appear in speaking events and tv commercials.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 04, 2005, 11:19:00 PM
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I posted this in the kanye west thread, but I guess it most deservedly goes here.
Go to cnn.com, just under "Developing Stories", there is a link called "some refuse to leave". Go have a look at that. I couldnt stop laughing. Although it is sad that they are covering the same areas over and over waiting for these morons to decide if they want to leave yet while others are dying waiting to be rescued. The irony of this disaster is more unimaginable than the destruction it caused.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: bluedeath on September 05, 2005, 03:55:00 AM
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Post by: Heet on September 04, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: Heet on September 04, 2005, 11:19:00 PM
Go to cnn.com, just under "Developing Stories", there is a link called "some refuse to leave". Go have a look at that. I couldnt stop laughing. Although it is sad that they are covering the same areas over and over waiting for these morons to decide if they want to leave yet while others are dying waiting to be rescued. The irony of this disaster is more unimaginable than the destruction it caused.
Post by: bluedeath on September 05, 2005, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Sep 4 2005, 11:30 PM)
I posted this in the kanye west thread, but I guess it most deservedly goes here.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:02:00 AM
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No the real pussies are the ones who never tried to join. Try again.
Im glad that ive gotten to you so much that you feel that you need to attack me personally LOL.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:11:00 AM
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Ok enough. If you can blame Bush for the plight of the poor in N.O. after reading the truth then you are unreachable. This is the truth.
The real truth about Katrina is that Mayor Nagen of New Orleans, a black man, and Gov. Kathleen Blanco, a white Democrat, have failed their constituancy. What is even worse is they lack the character to admit mistakes and step up. Theyre not leaders. Theyre vote getters.
Case in point. While it is true that New Orleans is demolished, so is the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Its not flooded, but virtually everything from coast for a quarter mile inland is gone. Is there a great hue and cry about George Bush failing those displaced people? No, because their leaders, the mayors of Gulf Port, Biloxi and other small towns, and their Govenor, Haley Barbor, are leaders. They prepared their people and their communities before the storm, to deal with what might be the reality after the storm. They are bouncing back together.
WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW ORLEANS?
People that could have left, didnt. Why? Ask them. If they had the means and method to leave, and most people did, they are reaping the consequences of their own decision. Thats not Bushs fault. They deserve help, short term and long term, and they are getting it, but they are there because they decided to stay.
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO COULDNT LEAVE?
Look at the picture below.
What is wrong with this picture? Its the fact that busses are sitting empty in a flooded parking lot instead of in Baton Rouge or some other nearby town.
Read this excerpt from Louisianas disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00, as published on the Drudge Report.
The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating
Why Mayor Nagen? Why are they sitting there? If the poor black people of New Orleans needed a way out, why Jesse Jackson, are those school busses sitting there? Why Kanye West, didnt Mayor Nagen use his authority to fill those busses with gas and send them out to the neighborhoods that needed them the most. THATS HIS JOB!
All Mayor Nagen has given his people after Katrina is finger pointing and hysterics. If he would have been their leader before the storm hit, he could have been their hero today.
And what of Gov. Kathleen Blanco? I have yet to see a press conference where she didnt have the deer in the headlights stare. If only the good people of New Orleans had Mary Landreau as their govenor. Ive seen two press conferences where Mary Landreau was helping Kathleen Blanco mouth the words to her prepared statements because Blanco was lost. I understand she is personally devastated, but in times of crisis, LEADERS MUST LEAD! It is the job they asked for and if they fail in doing it, should someone else be held accountable?
WHAT HAPPENED TO ADVANCED PLANNING?
They way our government works, The govenor of a state must request assistance from the federal government. Blanco ordered 2000 national guardsmen on standby prior to the storm. 2000 troops to manage the evacuation of a half million people? Why were more troops not in place before the storm? Why wasnt more equipment for levee repair and rescue operations in place before the storm? WHY DIDNT SHE ORDER MAYOR NAGEN TO SEND THOSE STATE OWNED SCHOOL BUSSES INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE NEEDED THEM?
Nobody can be blamed for Katrina. It is a natural disaster. But local and state officials in New Orleans and Louisiana went AWOL when their people needed their leadership the most. Now they, and others, want to blame .who? George Bush. Mayor Nagen and Gov. Blanco cant pass this buck, but what they can do is step forward and accept the yoke of leadership now, because the hardest part is yet to come.
There it is. Now tell me its Bush's fault and I'll listen. Btw, I didnt write this. And it didnt come from a bush bashing liberal site, you wont hear the truth there.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:59:00 AM
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And who the fuck is clueless bluedeath? Athesma has been a disqualification forever and anyone whoever had it and tried to join knows that. But dont take my word for it, takes these people's. Or maybe they lie about everything too?
http://www.outsideth...m/archives/8440
http://www.hborea.us...28aaefb37720c9d
http://www.navy.com/...messageID=26599
Dude quit posting, I can do this to you all day long. Ive argued with the best and your so disarmed its pathetic. Like I said in another thread, its like playing football with girls. Instead of being limited physically, your limited mentally. But if you would like to keep playing, be my guest LOL.
Ah shit, I forgot who I was dealing with, I need to help the mentally weary. Ok, to help you these are the people who posted in the links in this order, 9McCollem, [Hborea]Fixxxer , and mod_jobeth.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: 1evol on September 05, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
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Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:02:00 AM
Im glad that ive gotten to you so much that you feel that you need to attack me personally LOL.
Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:11:00 AM
The real truth about Katrina is that Mayor Nagen of New Orleans, a black man, and Gov. Kathleen Blanco, a white Democrat, have failed their constituancy. What is even worse is they lack the character to admit mistakes and step up. Theyre not leaders. Theyre vote getters.
Case in point. While it is true that New Orleans is demolished, so is the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Its not flooded, but virtually everything from coast for a quarter mile inland is gone. Is there a great hue and cry about George Bush failing those displaced people? No, because their leaders, the mayors of Gulf Port, Biloxi and other small towns, and their Govenor, Haley Barbor, are leaders. They prepared their people and their communities before the storm, to deal with what might be the reality after the storm. They are bouncing back together.
WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW ORLEANS?
People that could have left, didnt. Why? Ask them. If they had the means and method to leave, and most people did, they are reaping the consequences of their own decision. Thats not Bushs fault. They deserve help, short term and long term, and they are getting it, but they are there because they decided to stay.
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO COULDNT LEAVE?
Look at the picture below.
What is wrong with this picture? Its the fact that busses are sitting empty in a flooded parking lot instead of in Baton Rouge or some other nearby town.
Read this excerpt from Louisianas disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00, as published on the Drudge Report.
The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating
Why Mayor Nagen? Why are they sitting there? If the poor black people of New Orleans needed a way out, why Jesse Jackson, are those school busses sitting there? Why Kanye West, didnt Mayor Nagen use his authority to fill those busses with gas and send them out to the neighborhoods that needed them the most. THATS HIS JOB!
All Mayor Nagen has given his people after Katrina is finger pointing and hysterics. If he would have been their leader before the storm hit, he could have been their hero today.
And what of Gov. Kathleen Blanco? I have yet to see a press conference where she didnt have the deer in the headlights stare. If only the good people of New Orleans had Mary Landreau as their govenor. Ive seen two press conferences where Mary Landreau was helping Kathleen Blanco mouth the words to her prepared statements because Blanco was lost. I understand she is personally devastated, but in times of crisis, LEADERS MUST LEAD! It is the job they asked for and if they fail in doing it, should someone else be held accountable?
WHAT HAPPENED TO ADVANCED PLANNING?
They way our government works, The govenor of a state must request assistance from the federal government. Blanco ordered 2000 national guardsmen on standby prior to the storm. 2000 troops to manage the evacuation of a half million people? Why were more troops not in place before the storm? Why wasnt more equipment for levee repair and rescue operations in place before the storm? WHY DIDNT SHE ORDER MAYOR NAGEN TO SEND THOSE STATE OWNED SCHOOL BUSSES INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE NEEDED THEM?
Nobody can be blamed for Katrina. It is a natural disaster. But local and state officials in New Orleans and Louisiana went AWOL when their people needed their leadership the most. Now they, and others, want to blame .who? George Bush. Mayor Nagen and Gov. Blanco cant pass this buck, but what they can do is step forward and accept the yoke of leadership now, because the hardest part is yet to come.
There it is. Now tell me its Bush's fault and I'll listen. Btw, I didnt write this. And it didnt come from a bush bashing liberal site, you wont hear the truth there.
Post by: Heet on September 05, 2005, 04:59:00 AM
http://www.outsideth...m/archives/8440
http://www.hborea.us...28aaefb37720c9d
http://www.navy.com/...messageID=26599
Dude quit posting, I can do this to you all day long. Ive argued with the best and your so disarmed its pathetic. Like I said in another thread, its like playing football with girls. Instead of being limited physically, your limited mentally. But if you would like to keep playing, be my guest LOL.
Ah shit, I forgot who I was dealing with, I need to help the mentally weary. Ok, to help you these are the people who posted in the links in this order, 9McCollem, [Hborea]Fixxxer , and mod_jobeth.
Post by: 1evol on September 05, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Sep 5 2005, 07:22 AM)
Ok enough. If you can blame Bush for the plight of the poor in N.O. after reading the truth then you are unreachable. This is the truth.
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Title: Katrina
Post by: blagmaster on September 05, 2005, 08:11:00 AM
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http://bentcorner.bl...eat-leader.html
''He doesn't really know how to be the president. He is simply pretending.''
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Title: Katrina
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 05, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
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Post by: blagmaster on September 05, 2005, 08:11:00 AM
''He doesn't really know how to be the president. He is simply pretending.''
Word
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on September 05, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Sep 5 2005, 07:22 AM)