Post by: XanTium on April 20, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
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The bill, approved by Congress on Tuesday, is written so broadly it could make a federal felon of anyone who has even one copy of a film, software program or music file in a shared folder and should have known the copyrighted work had not been commercially released. Stiff fines of up to $250,000 can also be levied. Penalties would apply regardless of whether any downloading took place.
If signed into law, as expected, the bill would significantly lower the bar for online copyright prosecutions. Current law sanctions criminal penalties of up to three years in prison for "the reproduction or distribution of 10 or more copies or phonorecords of one or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of $2,500 or more."
Invoking a procedure used for noncontroversial legislation, the U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday overwhelmingly approved the measure, called the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act. Because the bill already has cleared the Senate, it now goes to President Bush for his signature.
Update: File-swappers who distribute a single copy of a prerelease movie/software on the Internet can be imprisoned for up to three years, under a bill that's slated to become the most dramatic expansion of online piracy penalties in years.
Read the whole article on news.com.
Post by: Tobb555 on April 20, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
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Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
I WANNA ROCK!
Post by: Tobb555 on April 20, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: xenonmodz on April 20, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: buckwilliamsca on April 20, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
vive la Canada!
Post by: themadman123 on April 20, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: thegame_evolution on April 20, 2005, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: ruli00 on April 20, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
QUOTE(themadman123 @ Apr 20 2005, 06:29 PM)
Yeah, its really sad who much America has its priorites screwed up...Ok we can either use the man force to take out REAL criminals that hurt REAL people everyday, or we can just go ahead and use all these resources to make everyday people SEEM like criminals so that Big Corperate Companies make more money......I'm proud to be an american......
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Post by: buttface96 on April 20, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
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Exactly I went to Borders the other day to look at CD's, it was $15 for a AC-DC cd that had only 8 songs. WTF
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Aerok on April 20, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
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I dont see anyone being fined here...
Worse are the 2 tracks Christina Bitchelera cds for 18$
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Post by: Joergen on April 20, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
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I'm glad I dont go to the movies any more and dont buy music.. they wont get a single cent from me. I wish more people would do the same. Find something better to do, like playing videogames.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: SuperDumbell on April 20, 2005, 04:13:00 PM
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It really does not matter what law they pass there is always going to be people that will share illegal files and movies on the Internet, there are LOTS of people that like to share and get files illegaly no matter what they do people will always do it because that is what they are used to doing. Even if they take out one file shearer 10 more will come in its place. Even the Prohibition of Alcohol in the 1920s did not stop people from drinking all it did was move it underground. and all this will do the the P2P networks is move more of them underground and them harder to find.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: green_beetle on April 20, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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would this give the power to the RIAA and the MPAA to give the same fines to international offenders?
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: WisdomWolf on April 20, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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I agree that this is a bunch of BS. There have been new laws and new threats for quite a while, but p2p is here to stay and I don't think that they will be successful in doing anything other than making it harder to catch people. CD's aren't the only things that are expensive. How about software like Adobe Primere or even MS Office, things that everyday people need for work or school. I think that companies are just getting dumber by raising their prices as they are practically forcing normal people to turn into :gasp: pirates. O well let them try as they might, they will just fall on their face as they have done in the past. :evil:
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: ruli00 on April 20, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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I don't even go to the movies or buy cds dvds any more (unless its ebay)
and the only movie I'm going to see this year at the theater is the new
Star Wars and that will cost me $18 after the ticket, a drink and candy or popcorn.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Jfave on April 20, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
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All I can say is WTF... this is a sad, sad, day....
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: HornstarBU on April 20, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
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I'm with you buddy. I'm not going to feed the pigs... they'll just get fatter and greedier.
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Post by: wildwild100s on April 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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hey to save money when you're going to the movies is bring your own candy and drinks, and hey while you're in the movie theater stay and watch another one, !!!
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Shaolinwarrior348 on April 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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All this is going to do is make more people want to file share. Congress is dumb as hell. The THE NUMBER ONE WAY to make something popular is to restrict it. If the big buissiness (yea sony and interscope im looking at you)really are taking a hit to a wallet as bad as they want us to think (by the way their not) to fix the problem they shoud just poor in resources to get the people who all ready use P2P instead of outlawing it and opening up a whole new bucket of crabs. :grr:
Me personaly i don't really care i buy CD's i think are worth the price tag.
oh yea artist make close to nothing of other albums. All money comes from indorsments and live shows. So don't believe the guilt trip crap the big companies are going to try to send people on buy using the artist like pawns.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Allibaster on April 20, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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It seems like this thing happens every now and then. Remember the teenagers getting sued? Napster being shut down? It changed the game mildly. Nothing's going to stop P2P or torrents. Fuck those Washington fat cats! There's a reason why we use P2P; rediculous prices.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: majinsoftware on April 20, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
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if it comes in im not giving bush my vote every again.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
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that you voted for him in the first place is a shame, but for this to sway you away from that is non-sensical...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: SMTP on April 20, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
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This right here is the stupidest thing I have ever read. They are not wasting resources on this, they dont SEEM to think you are a criminal, you ARE a criminal.
You are stealing the things people took TIME AND EFFORT to make and you are just taking it without even giving them a penny. How would you like it if you made software and everyone pirates it instead of buying it, and then you go broke?
Even big companys will lose out all of their money due to pirating...
Think about it
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: HooDoo on April 20, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
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Post by: buttface96 on April 20, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(ruli00 @ Apr 20 2005, 01:44 PM)
Well Put. Like those big companies don't have enough money anyway.
$18.99 for a CD. :blink:
Lower the damn CD Prices
$18.99 for a CD. :blink:
Lower the damn CD Prices
Exactly I went to Borders the other day to look at CD's, it was $15 for a AC-DC cd that had only 8 songs. WTF
Post by: Aerok on April 20, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Severd @ Apr 20 2005, 10:29 PM)
'vive la Canada!'
I don't know what your point was, but P2P(in whole) is illegal in canada.
I don't know what your point was, but P2P(in whole) is illegal in canada.
I dont see anyone being fined here...
Worse are the 2 tracks Christina Bitchelera cds for 18$
This post has been edited by Aerok: Apr 20 2005, 10:58 PM
Post by: Joergen on April 20, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: SuperDumbell on April 20, 2005, 04:13:00 PM
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Post by: green_beetle on April 20, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: WisdomWolf on April 20, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: ruli00 on April 20, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
QUOTE(buttface96 @ Apr 20 2005, 06:53 PM)
Exactly I went to Borders the other day to look at CD's, it was $15 for a AC-DC cd that had only 8 songs. WTF
I don't even go to the movies or buy cds dvds any more (unless its ebay)
and the only movie I'm going to see this year at the theater is the new
Star Wars and that will cost me $18 after the ticket, a drink and candy or popcorn.
Post by: Jfave on April 20, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: HornstarBU on April 20, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Joergen @ Apr 20 2005, 05:04 PM)
I'm glad I dont go to the movies any more and dont buy music.. they wont get a single cent from me. I wish more people would do the same. Find something better to do, like playing videogames.
I'm with you buddy. I'm not going to feed the pigs... they'll just get fatter and greedier.
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Post by: wildwild100s on April 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Shaolinwarrior348 on April 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Me personaly i don't really care i buy CD's i think are worth the price tag.
oh yea artist make close to nothing of other albums. All money comes from indorsments and live shows. So don't believe the guilt trip crap the big companies are going to try to send people on buy using the artist like pawns.
Post by: Allibaster on April 20, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: majinsoftware on April 20, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
This post has been edited by gcskate27: Apr 20 2005, 11:59 PM
Post by: SMTP on April 20, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
QUOTE(themadman123 @ Apr 20 2005, 10:29 PM)
Yeah, its really sad who much America has its priorites screwed up...Ok we can either use the man force to take out REAL criminals that hurt REAL people everyday, or we can just go ahead and use all these resources to make everyday people SEEM like criminals so that Big Corperate Companies make more money......I'm proud to be an american...... :angry:
This right here is the stupidest thing I have ever read. They are not wasting resources on this, they dont SEEM to think you are a criminal, you ARE a criminal.
You are stealing the things people took TIME AND EFFORT to make and you are just taking it without even giving them a penny. How would you like it if you made software and everyone pirates it instead of buying it, and then you go broke?
Even big companys will lose out all of their money due to pirating...
Think about it
Post by: HooDoo on April 20, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Apr 20 2005, 05:49 PM)
if it comes in im not giving bush my vote every again.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: AtTheEndOfAllThings on April 20, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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I predict that theres going to be a mass downloading frenzy once this law is put into effect. Sorta like Napster when it got shut down... the day before the ruling people downloaded like they had never downloaded before. But I still wonder how this is going to affect the ways people find out that you've downloaded it or not.
::cough:: isohunt.com hurry ::cough::
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: intrikit on April 20, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
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Nothing is going to change... It's like anything "big" that happens here... The media blows it up. A handful of unlucky people get their lives ruined because they didnt "buy" the music on the cd-r the cop found under their back seat. Then after a few people get nailed, all the little girls and boys will stop downloading the mp3's and avi's and will still not buy cd's and movies because they are only 15 and have no money. I don't buy music, movies, software, games, etc... is because i dont have to and have the knowledge of how to get it elsewhere. I wont stop downloading, modding, and terrorizing Big Coroporation just because some "Bill" gets passed.
And another thing, when it comes to music i have noticed the only people who cry about people stealing their music are the ones who charge 80$ to go see them live for 45mins to an hour of stage time and never do the free shows or the local clubs. Almost all "ARTISTS" would love to have 200 million people spending their free time trying to hunt down their works of art just so they can listen to them and brighten their day.
In conclusion: Screw you Big Corp, Screw you Govt. for getting involved, and Screw you all that let this bill scare you away from getting your download on.
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Post by: Aqua Kid on April 20, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
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Post by: AtTheEndOfAllThings on April 20, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
::cough:: isohunt.com hurry ::cough::
Post by: intrikit on April 20, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
And another thing, when it comes to music i have noticed the only people who cry about people stealing their music are the ones who charge 80$ to go see them live for 45mins to an hour of stage time and never do the free shows or the local clubs. Almost all "ARTISTS" would love to have 200 million people spending their free time trying to hunt down their works of art just so they can listen to them and brighten their day.
In conclusion: Screw you Big Corp, Screw you Govt. for getting involved, and Screw you all that let this bill scare you away from getting your download on.
Post by: Aqua Kid on April 20, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
QUOTE(wildwild100s @ Apr 20 2005, 02:42 PM)
hey to save money when you're going to the movies is bring your own candy and drinks, and hey while you're in the movie theater stay and watch another one, !!!
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Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 07:00:00 PM
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too true, and nothng can be done about the theatres as well... i used to work in one (assistant manager) and they stop you at every pass... they tell you to make people be quite and respectful but then bend over for those very same people when they complain... the whole thing is fucked: theatres only get a few cents for every ticket sold, thats why the concession prices are so high...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on April 20, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
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well i dont get this.....we will get arrested if we download things off the internet....????or tht we will get arrested if we sell the things we download......????
and btw how come they are arresting us....i mean we are just taking advantage for things that are given to us..... if they really did want to stop pirating why dont they just go for the creators of these pirating softwares.....???
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: SkyFire360 on April 20, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on April 20, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
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Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on April 20, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
and btw how come they are arresting us....i mean we are just taking advantage for things that are given to us..... if they really did want to stop pirating why dont they just go for the creators of these pirating softwares.....???
Post by: SkyFire360 on April 20, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on April 20, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(colonelbossman @ Apr 20 2005, 08:19 PM)
Hah. Hah hah. Wow. Brilliant.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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Post by: gcskate27 on April 20, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(ChInEsE ChIcKeN @ Apr 20 2005, 06:07 PM)
well i dont get this.....we will get arrested if we download things off the internet....????or tht we will get arrested if we sell the things we download......????
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: itdbesam on April 20, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
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Post by: itdbesam on April 20, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
QUOTE(SkyFire360 @ Apr 20 2005, 07:25 PM)
This only applies to prerelease movies, right? I don't care if I have to wait a few more days to get a copy of my movie...
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Post by: SkyFire360 on April 20, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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Post by: SkyFire360 on April 20, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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Post by: Aceraider4 on April 20, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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the raging idiocy of these anti-"piracy" fuckheads is mind numbing; what the fuck ever happened to things like supply-and-demand: you know that little concept capitilism is based on, you know, has something to do with a supplier can charge what the market(demand) can support. well gee, thats funny, it seems that the media corporations are charging just a tiny bit more than the market is willing to support, and what has happened? oh look, the market is finding an alternative. well gee fucking willakers batman! it seems that the entirity of the U.S. population is not spineless.
so what happens? mindless big media corp executive a "hey big media corp exec b, looks like people dont like us raping them, seems there are some who dont wanna pay for the information that other people created that we want to profit on." big media corp exec b "well its not like were losing any money." exec a " i just had a great fucking idea! lets charge more on the pretense that we cant pay our poor, starving artists and just keep pocketing the profit so it really looks like the industry is losing money!"
you know, slowly our country is becoming more socialistic, but not in the since that the government is taking over business(though regulation has pretty much made every small company a puppet)big business is taking over the government. its worse now than it ever was back in the 1920's with standard oil, u.s. steal, and all the other "big" monopolies were around, yet the public noticed and did something about it by getting their representatives to do their job, represent public opinion. but now the media corporation is protecting itself in what it produces to sway the lowest common denominator. with the idiots of world under their control they can enact policies to silence those who have the intelligence to know whats going on, those who try to reveal the truth. so what are you going to do when the last of your rights are stripped away from you? me, im going to sit in my house that i dont pay taxes on, with my shotgun without serial numbers that i bought off the black market, loaded with illegal hollow point slugs, downloading spiderman 3 off some p2p, using the internet connection i dont pay for. you've got to fight for your right
edit:this rant is rather incoherent but ive gotta vent; riaa = economic rapists
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Post by: modchipper on April 20, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
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They have been making billions scamming us with crap music,games,movies and software for years. And you cant take it back if it sucks. If they would have lowered prices when P2P first came on the scene they wouldnt have to turn to Bush to help them. I think if they dropped prices 30-50% on all media people wouldnt mind shelling out the cash and im sure they will still be getting paid. Look at rappers, they are gonna have to get cubic zirconia instead of ice if they dont fix this problem soon. Good luck to them.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: nfs911 on April 20, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
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dumb government is focused on people who are downloading movies off the net more than the serial killers.....
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: MaxMuscleWear on April 20, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Xtrem on April 20, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
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Here In Canada The RIAA And The MPAA Can't Do Shit, They Have To Go To The GRC, (Even The FBI Can Do Shit Here, They All Have To Go To The GRC), And Usually (99% Of The Time) They Are Running After The "Hells Angels" Or The Numerous Groups Of Mafia, So Before They Take The Time To Knock To Someones Door And Ask : " Did You Downloaded Pr0n From The Internet ¿", You Will Have The Time To Get All The Jenna Jameson DVD Collection.
I Do Get Stuff From The Internet, But I Still Buy My DVD's And My Music (I Own Over 250 DVD's Originals).
PS : I Love PeerGuardian !
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Faster80 on April 20, 2005, 08:50:00 PM
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Some artists probably like the filesharing of their works since it gives them a world-wide audience. And people could save more money to see them in concert. The last 20 cd's I have bought in the last month are by artists I heard of through filesharing. And I probably wouldn't have bought those cd's without filesharing.
But I know that one day the RIAA and MPAA will get there own way and cd/dvd burners will be made illegal. Isn't there a law about how many cd's you're able to make a backup copy of, only one for every cd player in your house? Just look what there doing know. They have LOTS of money and can do anything they want. George Bush has done an outstanding job as president. Although I can't see why the AA's aren't happy with the powers they already have.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Faster80 on April 20, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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Post by: Aceraider4 on April 20, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
so what happens? mindless big media corp executive a "hey big media corp exec b, looks like people dont like us raping them, seems there are some who dont wanna pay for the information that other people created that we want to profit on." big media corp exec b "well its not like were losing any money." exec a " i just had a great fucking idea! lets charge more on the pretense that we cant pay our poor, starving artists and just keep pocketing the profit so it really looks like the industry is losing money!"
you know, slowly our country is becoming more socialistic, but not in the since that the government is taking over business(though regulation has pretty much made every small company a puppet)big business is taking over the government. its worse now than it ever was back in the 1920's with standard oil, u.s. steal, and all the other "big" monopolies were around, yet the public noticed and did something about it by getting their representatives to do their job, represent public opinion. but now the media corporation is protecting itself in what it produces to sway the lowest common denominator. with the idiots of world under their control they can enact policies to silence those who have the intelligence to know whats going on, those who try to reveal the truth. so what are you going to do when the last of your rights are stripped away from you? me, im going to sit in my house that i dont pay taxes on, with my shotgun without serial numbers that i bought off the black market, loaded with illegal hollow point slugs, downloading spiderman 3 off some p2p, using the internet connection i dont pay for. you've got to fight for your right
edit:this rant is rather incoherent but ive gotta vent; riaa = economic rapists
Post by: modchipper on April 20, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: nfs911 on April 20, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: MaxMuscleWear on April 20, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Xtrem on April 20, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
I Do Get Stuff From The Internet, But I Still Buy My DVD's And My Music (I Own Over 250 DVD's Originals).
PS : I Love PeerGuardian !
Post by: Faster80 on April 20, 2005, 08:50:00 PM
But I know that one day the RIAA and MPAA will get there own way and cd/dvd burners will be made illegal. Isn't there a law about how many cd's you're able to make a backup copy of, only one for every cd player in your house? Just look what there doing know. They have LOTS of money and can do anything they want. George Bush has done an outstanding job as president. Although I can't see why the AA's aren't happy with the powers they already have.
Post by: Faster80 on April 20, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(theinsanepenguin @ Apr 21 2005, 02:56 AM)
ya i think ill stop for "a while"... does this cover just p2p or torrents too? i mean i know the law covers both but are they hunting down torrent users as well as p2p (u can tell i only use torretns)
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: yuckymucky on April 20, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
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Post by: yuckymucky on April 20, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(revengeismyfury @ Apr 21 2005, 02:35 AM)
Alot of you on x-s arent as dumb as I thought you were. 
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Post by: Saint17 on April 20, 2005, 09:28:00 PM
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It's an unenforceable law, too many do it now to try and stop it to any real extent, it won't last.
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Post by: bluedeath on April 20, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
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Post by: Saint17 on April 20, 2005, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on April 20, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
QUOTE(MaxMuscleWear @ Apr 20 2005, 06:16 PM)
Rappers are the people who piss me off the most. They just practically rub their wealth in your face.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: MrShadow on April 20, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
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im sticking to irc for now, seem like it will be the only "safe" thing now
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: SEHF on April 20, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
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Anyways, I'm annoyed by this law, but I really don't download too much stuff. So It won't effect me right now, but maybe later on...
When I may want something online. If the FBI does start to hunt down sharers, it won't be long before some hackers and software engineers outsmart them...IRC will probably become more popular soon...
Damn Bill...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Nosf3ratu on April 20, 2005, 10:03:00 PM
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So is this for downloading of copyrighted material in general or just for unreleased stuff?
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Post by: shavedrat on April 20, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
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Post by: Cthulhu32 on April 20, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
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Quote in 2 years from all the imprisoned piraters of the USA :
tattoo'd scary inmate
"So what are you in for"
scrawny nerdy inmate
"Man I was recording a movie in a theater, and they caught me, what are you in for?"
tattoo'd scary inmate
"I killed my mother with a butter knife."
- seriously, when will it end?
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: hvyrms on April 20, 2005, 10:38:00 PM
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Look more closely at the phrasing of the article:
"The bill, approved by Congress on Tuesday, is written so broadly it could make a federal felon of anyone who has even one copy of a film, software program or music file in a shared folder and should have known the copyrighted work had not been commercially released."
Now fix some of the english to make it a little more readable in the important parts:
"The bill, approved by Congress on Tuesday, is written so broadly it could make a federal felon of anyone who ... should have known the copyrighted work had not been commercially released."
So... If I download Forza after it's been released in May it seems like they can't use this against me.
The next time Eminem's (or Rockstar's or Sony Pictures') latest appears on the web, just wait until it actually appears in stores before you download it.
OR just go rent whatever and skip the whole tracable internet. Blockbuster sure as hell won't stop renting you videos. And Netflix and Gamefly really don't care if they're sending you a game and recieving on from you every other day.
Why's that? Cause they've got your money, but it's still much less than if you gave it to selfish, hoggish production companies.
Let the market go to equilibrium. When EA can't throw tons of money at games to advertise them into success, maybe they'll actually make a halfway decent game.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Ap0[41yp$3 on April 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Tony42077 on April 20, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
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Post by: MrShadow on April 20, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: SEHF on April 20, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
Anyways, I'm annoyed by this law, but I really don't download too much stuff. So It won't effect me right now, but maybe later on...
When I may want something online. If the FBI does start to hunt down sharers, it won't be long before some hackers and software engineers outsmart them...IRC will probably become more popular soon...
Damn Bill...
Post by: Nosf3ratu on April 20, 2005, 10:03:00 PM
Post by: shavedrat on April 20, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Cthulhu32 on April 20, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
tattoo'd scary inmate
"So what are you in for"
scrawny nerdy inmate
"Man I was recording a movie in a theater, and they caught me, what are you in for?"
tattoo'd scary inmate
"I killed my mother with a butter knife."
- seriously, when will it end?
Post by: hvyrms on April 20, 2005, 10:38:00 PM
"The bill, approved by Congress on Tuesday, is written so broadly it could make a federal felon of anyone who has even one copy of a film, software program or music file in a shared folder and should have known the copyrighted work had not been commercially released."
Now fix some of the english to make it a little more readable in the important parts:
"The bill, approved by Congress on Tuesday, is written so broadly it could make a federal felon of anyone who ... should have known the copyrighted work had not been commercially released."
So... If I download Forza after it's been released in May it seems like they can't use this against me.
The next time Eminem's (or Rockstar's or Sony Pictures') latest appears on the web, just wait until it actually appears in stores before you download it.
OR just go rent whatever and skip the whole tracable internet. Blockbuster sure as hell won't stop renting you videos. And Netflix and Gamefly really don't care if they're sending you a game and recieving on from you every other day.
Why's that? Cause they've got your money, but it's still much less than if you gave it to selfish, hoggish production companies.
Let the market go to equilibrium. When EA can't throw tons of money at games to advertise them into success, maybe they'll actually make a halfway decent game.
Post by: Ap0[41yp$3 on April 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: Tony42077 on April 20, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Apr 20 2005, 11:49 PM)
if it comes in im not giving bush my vote every again.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
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while i do agree with some of what youre saying, this argument is stupid and flawed... there has ALWAYS been pop music that was unoriginal and watered down... there was no golden age of music where there were only truly talented artists who put out stuff to be appreciated (ie the late 70's ), save classical periods (and im certain there were a handful of hack composers as well) but people dont really care about that...
generally this arguement comes from people who think they are superior to others based on what type of music they listen too... generally rock fans who bitch about people not playing their own instruments and the like... most generally high schoolers who have just started listening to hendrix and possibly punk founders such as the sex pistols and are finally discovering music that their peers dont nec listen to, but everyone else has...
note im not saying you are one as i want to save myself the tirade of 'i listen to all kinds of music just look at my mp3 collection'...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 21, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
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Christ people, just come to terms with it. Downloading copyrighted material is stealing... we all do it, just like assholes drink and drive or do drugs. But no matter how you look at it, it is illegal. I'm not trying to accuse anyone, because I'm as guilty as the next guy. So stop making all these stupid fucking excuses like "you can't own information"... if you didn't write the code, then it isn't yours. Thats like stealing a book and saying people can't own words... plagurism anyone? Anyways, we all know its stealling. Oh, and for all you that say you'll never go see a movie again and all that shit... if you don't pay to see movies, where will the studio's get the money to make NEW movies? Pull it out of their asses? Where did they get the money in the first place? Christ people, grow up...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: f8ded on April 21, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
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Are they crazy; I'm really sure that if this bill pass everyone that is age 15 and above it going to go to jail for sure. I swear those old punk up in Washington do nothing except make life harder for the poor. What i mean by poor is teens like me who don't have a job. Going to school and studying like mad so i can become filty rich so i won't have to be stealing their shiz. And yea everyone know it stealing we are just trying to justify why we do it. Frankly i don't really care for reason i do it because i can get it for free. I think that last sentence explain everyone inner demon. Free stuff is good
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Cio on April 21, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
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Lemme write a quick rant:
$ 18,99 for a CD is about 15 euro's for a CD.
Most cd's here cost between 20,99 and 24,99 euro's.
So if u feel screwed... feel screwed, but not about the price u have to pay, just how money and power are divided in the US.
Hey, at least i can walk around with 1 gram of coke, 5 grams of weed/hasj and still not get arrested! (Ofcourse then the police WILL search me for weapons witch r illegal and ask me for my passport or european ID card, and if i dont have thats it's a 200 euro fine.. not counting drugs)
Oh wait... thats not really freedom.. thats allowing me to numb my brain so i don't think about the facistic ID rule.
Authority in any form prevents freedom of mind and the sharing of knowledge to prevent progressive thinking
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: anticrap1234 on April 21, 2005, 04:27:00 AM
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gettingall ur money and crap taken away isnt fair they need to just say u have to pay fulll price for what u downloaded. so if they found like 10 cds then u pay 150$ not like 250,000$. Im glad i dont download. even if p2p stops people can easly copy something they rented or borrowed from a friend. The music and movie industry just doesnt care much a bout the people their just greedy bastards.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Ph34R on April 21, 2005, 08:46:00 AM
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I look at it this way, The first time someone is put in jail for this and they get kiled in jail, is when we will have to look at the laws diffrently. Personal, yea its stealing, but then i used to make copies of music playing the radio and make mix tapes for freinds. So if i do that now I will be in a jail. this is getting out of hand, I would really like to see the aritist and actors take back their rights, I mean it is there creation.
Now I think these guys who sell games/music/dvds on the side of the streets to make money should burn in a prison. If your going to make money, do it the rigth way. But I think someone who downloads a movie and watches it at his house or in his car shoud NEVER be touched.
I look at piracy one way. its the best form of advertising out their, you download it, tell people 5 people about it 2 of buy it, the other 1 download it. i work with people all day long who when you ask them to go to the start button on their computer they have no idea what your talking about. So they arent losing that much
You can not project a loss based on a download, just beacuse i download it, does mean Ill use it. And trust me, if I pay 18 bucks for a cd/dvd and it sucks beacuse i couldnt hear/see the whole thing I wanna take it back. Which most places will not let you return music/movies. That is the real bullshit. Allow me to return crap and i will buy. You have no idea How many games I have previewed =) and never played agian becuase they just outright suck ass. Nuff said
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: niall mc on April 21, 2005, 09:13:00 AM
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how are they picking the people to arrest? you cant just arrest one person if five people are commiting the crime. if two drunk drivers knock down people, you cant just arrest one of them. i know piracy is nothing like killing pedestrians, but you cant pick on one person if loads of people are doing it.
i dont think they can slam every pirate in jail!
just a thought...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: aswilbourn on April 21, 2005, 09:20:00 AM
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Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Tony42077 @ Apr 20 2005, 10:47 PM)
"People aren't buying the music because they're just downloading it", No, people aren't buying the music because it sucks. When was the last time that you actually heard anything new that was actually original? It's not about the music anymore, it's about the money, plain and simple.
while i do agree with some of what youre saying, this argument is stupid and flawed... there has ALWAYS been pop music that was unoriginal and watered down... there was no golden age of music where there were only truly talented artists who put out stuff to be appreciated (ie the late 70's
), save classical periods (and im certain there were a handful of hack composers as well) but people dont really care about that...generally this arguement comes from people who think they are superior to others based on what type of music they listen too... generally rock fans who bitch about people not playing their own instruments and the like... most generally high schoolers who have just started listening to hendrix and possibly punk founders such as the sex pistols and are finally discovering music that their peers dont nec listen to, but everyone else has...
note im not saying you are one as i want to save myself the tirade of 'i listen to all kinds of music just look at my mp3 collection'...
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 21, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
Post by: f8ded on April 21, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: Cio on April 21, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
$ 18,99 for a CD is about 15 euro's for a CD.
Most cd's here cost between 20,99 and 24,99 euro's.
So if u feel screwed... feel screwed, but not about the price u have to pay, just how money and power are divided in the US.
Hey, at least i can walk around with 1 gram of coke, 5 grams of weed/hasj and still not get arrested! (Ofcourse then the police WILL search me for weapons witch r illegal and ask me for my passport or european ID card, and if i dont have thats it's a 200 euro fine.. not counting drugs)
Oh wait... thats not really freedom.. thats allowing me to numb my brain so i don't think about the facistic ID rule.
Authority in any form prevents freedom of mind and the sharing of knowledge to prevent progressive thinking
Post by: anticrap1234 on April 21, 2005, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: Ph34R on April 21, 2005, 08:46:00 AM
Now I think these guys who sell games/music/dvds on the side of the streets to make money should burn in a prison. If your going to make money, do it the rigth way. But I think someone who downloads a movie and watches it at his house or in his car shoud NEVER be touched.
I look at piracy one way. its the best form of advertising out their, you download it, tell people 5 people about it 2 of buy it, the other 1 download it. i work with people all day long who when you ask them to go to the start button on their computer they have no idea what your talking about. So they arent losing that much
You can not project a loss based on a download, just beacuse i download it, does mean Ill use it. And trust me, if I pay 18 bucks for a cd/dvd and it sucks beacuse i couldnt hear/see the whole thing I wanna take it back. Which most places will not let you return music/movies. That is the real bullshit. Allow me to return crap and i will buy. You have no idea How many games I have previewed =) and never played agian becuase they just outright suck ass. Nuff said
Post by: niall mc on April 21, 2005, 09:13:00 AM
i dont think they can slam every pirate in jail!
just a thought...
Post by: aswilbourn on April 21, 2005, 09:20:00 AM
QUOTE(niall mc @ Apr 21 2005, 03:19 PM)
how are they picking the people to arrest? you cant just arrest one person if five people are commiting the crime. if two drunk drivers knock down people, you cant just arrest one of them. i know piracy is nothing like killing pedestrians, but you cant pick on one person if loads of people are doing it.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: fghjj on April 21, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
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They fail to find the PRE suppliers so they make another law to scare them off... Which isn't going to happen. As for P2P, I couldn't care less. Bittorrent is the cancer of the internet. There isn't anything wrong with kids swapping their music and pictures and stuff, but nowadays every 13y old I know can get the latest DVDR or game ISO's, that just isn't right...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: petegas on April 21, 2005, 09:48:00 AM
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Post by: fghjj on April 21, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: petegas on April 21, 2005, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Severd @ Apr 20 2005, 10:29 PM)
'vive la Canada!'
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Faster80 on April 21, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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The entertainment industry is going to work on getting rid of recordable media and burners if they get rid of p2p. Just like they did before p2p. Doesn't the MGM vs Grokster trial going on right now ask the same question(s) as the betamax case. These companies don't care about whether people enjoy their products. They only think about businness.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Kiyoshioni on April 21, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
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~Kiyoshi
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
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Windows Media Player.
I do apologize for ranting on, but this is so freakin stupid.
wtf will be next?
An interigation next time we buy a CD, DVD, or cd/ dvd+/-r
what are you buying this for?
what do you intend to do with it?
how many times will you see/ listen to it?
maybe I'm wrong,
maybe not.
but this will be like any other war
some innocents get slaughtered
but hey freedom has a high price
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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this is akin to saying, if im not meant to kill people, why do they make guns? or if im not meant to break in to places, why do they make crowbars?
doesnt stand up... just because somehting is there, does not mean it should be used, or was designed, for every purpose...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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you pose a good point but lets look at the more logical reasons
CD ripper- general use was to make copies of music cd's
guns- general use of protection and hunting
crowbars- general use of prying, nails, wood crate boxes, and so on
it just generally depends on how the consumer/user uses the products
i own a gun
i dont kill people
i own a crowbar
i dont break in windows and steal property/belongings
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
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thats my point: the products werent put there specifically for pirating, though they can be used for it... but the products being there cant be used as an excuse...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: gamerguy999 on April 21, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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Post by: Faster80 on April 21, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: Kiyoshioni on April 21, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
~Kiyoshi
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
Windows Media Player.I do apologize for ranting on, but this is so freakin stupid.
wtf will be next?
An interigation next time we buy a CD, DVD, or cd/ dvd+/-r
what are you buying this for?
what do you intend to do with it?
how many times will you see/ listen to it?
maybe I'm wrong,
maybe not.
but this will be like any other war
some innocents get slaughtered
but hey freedom has a high price
Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(redskullz @ Apr 21 2005, 01:29 PM)
If we were not meant to share (which by the way was what alot of us was raised to beleive, share and share alike, share the wealth, and so on.....)
then why is there so much software out there such as Power dvd copy/backup,
cd rippers on ... oh my gosh, dare I say, Windows Media Player.
then why is there so much software out there such as Power dvd copy/backup,
cd rippers on ... oh my gosh, dare I say,
Windows Media Player.this is akin to saying, if im not meant to kill people, why do they make guns? or if im not meant to break in to places, why do they make crowbars?
doesnt stand up... just because somehting is there, does not mean it should be used, or was designed, for every purpose...
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
CD ripper- general use was to make copies of music cd's
guns- general use of protection and hunting
crowbars- general use of prying, nails, wood crate boxes, and so on
it just generally depends on how the consumer/user uses the products
i own a gun
i dont kill people
i own a crowbar
i dont break in windows and steal property/belongings
Post by: gcskate27 on April 21, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE
it just generally depends on how the consumer/user uses the products
thats my point: the products werent put there specifically for pirating, though they can be used for it... but the products being there cant be used as an excuse...
Post by: gamerguy999 on April 21, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
QUOTE(gcskate27 @ Apr 21 2005, 03:01 PM)
thats my point: the products werent put there specifically for pirating, though they can be used for it... but the products being there cant be used as an excuse...
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
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yes i do agree
case in point to your perspective
users on the IRC network dl movies that was recroded via camcorders inside of the movie theaters
that is not supposed to be the purpose of the camcorder but the user intends on using it that way
yea some do break the law
but then again
who hasn't/doesn't
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
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Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
case in point to your perspective
users on the IRC network dl movies that was recroded via camcorders inside of the movie theaters
that is not supposed to be the purpose of the camcorder but the user intends on using it that way
yea some do break the law
but then again
who hasn't/doesn't
Post by: redskullz on April 21, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerguy999 @ Apr 21 2005, 06:26 PM)
It's the same with modchips, they say they are for homebrew stuff, but they are really to allow you to play copied games. Those programs are the same way, they say it's to backup your own movies, but they really release them so that people can copy any music/game/dvd's that they want.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Allibaster on April 21, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
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Post by: Allibaster on April 21, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
QUOTE(colonelbossman @ Apr 21 2005, 01:19 AM)
Hah. Hah hah. Wow. Brilliant.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: paclives on April 21, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Tribal Prophet on April 21, 2005, 11:56:00 PM
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Phew, now that the government has spent all this energy on stopping the evils of file sharing, I guess they can start working on helping cure that whole 'cancer' problem that's been killing people for centuries, right?
Seriously, THIS is what they're spending their time on?
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 21, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
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Ok, with the piracy issue aside, we are the ones to blame for letting big business rule America. We demand the product, they give it to us... bad cycle.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Colonel32 on April 22, 2005, 01:14:00 AM
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: Shaolinwarrior348 on April 22, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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Post by: paclives on April 21, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: Tribal Prophet on April 21, 2005, 11:56:00 PM
Seriously, THIS is what they're spending their time on?
Post by: Rustmonkey on April 21, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
Post by: Colonel32 on April 22, 2005, 01:14:00 AM
Post by: Shaolinwarrior348 on April 22, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(MaxMuscleWear @ Apr 21 2005, 02:16 AM)
Rappers are the people who piss me off the most. They just practically rub their wealth in your face.
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Title: (usa) Congress Declares War On P2p And File Leaker
Post by: MaxMuscleWear on April 25, 2005, 12:46:00 AM
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Post by: MaxMuscleWear on April 25, 2005, 12:46:00 AM