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Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: gronne on December 27, 2004, 10:42:00 AM

I just had to write about this extremely tragical event which the whole world suffer now. This doesn't only affect India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand but the whole world. It probably shouldn't be compared to the genocide in Rwanda since it wasn't a natural disaster and more died there, but it was the greatest tragedy that came to mind. The world will be on test now, to show solidarity with all the victims of the tsunami. Europe has initially aided with much help, I suppose North America has done the same. I won't pray, as I'm not religious, but my mind goes to all the suffering people. I can only wish the number won't rise too much more. Such a sad anti-climax of the christmas.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: ?P^}D> on December 27, 2004, 12:26:00 PM

You act like you care, but you don't give a shit. You are not a true humanitarian, after all humanity is a cancer and this is nature's way of saying fuck off. I bet if Che or some other charismatic communist douche did it you wouldn't feel so sad.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: nemt on December 27, 2004, 12:34:00 PM

Communism has killed over 100,000,000, make a post for them, Che.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: gronne on December 27, 2004, 01:11:00 PM

Please, don't be cynical about this. This doesn't have anything to do with politics. But for the record I've never emphazised with Stalin who I think is no better than Hitler. If you don't think I'm a humanitarian, then I can only say you're wrong. I rather often give charity-money to various organisations such as Green-peace and the red cross.

Don't write about politics on this one as it has nothing to do with it.

The first responses were directly cynical and I'm sorry about that. I know people who got wounded in the event, and I don't need to here cynical comments about it. I thought it was horrible when your country suffered the last time. Show some respect here.

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Post by: pepsik on December 27, 2004, 01:45:00 PM

hmm, so your alter ego fektion got banned because of your nazi propaganda and now your new alter ego is symbols. You should really seek professional help regarding your multpile personality disorder nemt. You talk to yourself to often, maybe it's time to leave the cyberworld and venture into the real world for some giggles.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: ?P^}D> on December 27, 2004, 03:53:00 PM

That means a lot coming from a poser like you, fuck off. :rotfl:

@gronne: Do some fucking community service, money means nothing, put some fucking time and effort into your bullshit.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: polyesterjones on December 27, 2004, 04:04:00 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...a_earthquake_29

Just adding to the drama I suppose.

However, I was pretty concerned about this when I heard about it. I have an uncle stationed at the Diego Garcia Naval Support Facility, but now that I know that they weren't hit, I'm not too concerned about it.

Sure, no one wants to hear or experience the death of 25 000+ people, but it happens. Just going to have to deal with it and move on.

This post has been edited by polyesterjones: Dec 28 2004, 12:04 AM

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: nemt on December 27, 2004, 04:08:00 PM

QUOTE(pepsik @ Dec 27 2004, 03:45 PM)

As much as I'm sure you'd like to believe there's only one person here who isn't part of the looney left propaganda machine, both fektion and this new person clearly have nothing to do with me.

Anyway, it's sad these 25,000 people died, but no one here needs to fish for an atta'boy humanitarian reply. So what if you give money to charity, unless you've taken a vow a poverty and live just like those you give your "charity" to, all you're doing is making yourself feel better.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: SKoT on December 27, 2004, 04:32:00 PM

damn george bush and his underworld earthquakes

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: TNHitokiri on December 27, 2004, 07:22:00 PM

I find this sad, cuz Im from Sri Lanka and I live in the States.. Luckily none of my relatives were hurt, just a few feet of water.. I think that its sad that 25000 died but it was a natural thing, you cant stop that..

This isnt a thing to be sad for, something like WWII, Vietnam, and all the other wars are to be sad for.. People that purposly hunt down the enemy to kill.. wtf is wrong with humanity?

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: brandogg on December 27, 2004, 09:27:00 PM

That is an absolutely astonishing figure. 25,000 people killed from a fucking earthquake. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this. Damn.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: pug_ster on December 28, 2004, 09:11:00 AM

I think the count is 44,000 now.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: bluedeath on December 28, 2004, 09:29:00 AM

Many of the beaches that were hit are known for selling children to European tourists. A European man can by a young boy and then have him killed later for a few dollars.

Very timely being christmas day. He goes out like a lamb and comes in like a lion.

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Post by: afon on December 28, 2004, 12:46:00 PM

Who ever said that communism has killed, you are a douche. A person with 1% of true historical knowledge would know that true communism has never been in place. That was lenninism. And indeed, the tsunami was tragic. Fox News is saying the numbers could be much higher. That sucks.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: gronne on December 28, 2004, 01:53:00 PM

I won't reply to political posts or posts decribing me negatively here, as it's rediculous and very tasteless to be so cynical. This is above all politics.

This disaster has affected my country heavily (Sweden), as there were 20,000-30,000 swedish tourists in Thailand when it happened (very famous resort for swedes). It affects you a lot more when you can relate to it from something.

Earlier today one of my friends called me to tell what happened to his boss down there. He had went to Thailand with his whole family, wife and two daughters, and he was on the beach when the tsunami surprised them. The whole family got separated in the waves, and he got knocked out. He woke up in a hospital, and directly decided to search for his family. The first thing he saw when he got out of the hospital was his wife hanging dead in a tree, and his daughters were lost in the waves. So he has come back home to Sweden now without his family. A major tragedy of course. Several kids have come home alone, because their parents have died. I don't think you should compare tragedies, but of course the people of Sri Lanka, and India will suffer even more, as many more of them have died and they can't get help to any kind of recovery from their countries.

1,500 swedes have not yet reported back to any government authorities, and most of them are believed to have died as they stayed in Khao Lak, which was one of the most devestated resorts. There's no end to this tragedy. The only thing that's "positive" about this must be that it's not a terrorist attack.

Polyester: Of course it happens but it shouldn't be accepted that they didn't have a warning system. So many lives could've been saved if they were warned. But now it's only to accept it's happened, but it'll take a long time to recover.

My government is being heavily criticized they didn't send planes themselves, they relied on the travel agencies, which is really sad as I expected more from my government in these situations, but now planes are on their way.

The count is at a staggering 60,000 now. 60,000 doesn't say you much as none of us can relate to that massive amountof people. I will actually quote the awful Stalin "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is statistics". Unfortunately he was right about that. But no sane person can look at the situation and say who cares, as this is one of the most awful tragedies we've seen for many years.

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Post by: Maximumbeing on December 28, 2004, 09:07:00 PM

Lay off the poor guy, this post has absolutely 0 to do with his political affiliations.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: Baner on December 29, 2004, 05:31:00 AM

It's fine to act all tough and careless on the net, sure everyone does it, but to be complete jackass to the 60.000 people dead, and god knows how many more Widows and Orphans... That's jsut disrespect in it's biggest form. We can sit here and say "Shit happens" but that ain't right. You wouldn't be saying it if your entire family was killed in an instant, along with your home, all your belongings and the families and homes of your nieghbors... You might find it cute to talk back, insulting everything, but it's just disrespect. If you have no care about these people offline, you have no reason of any form of human contact, all you are is a filthy maggot...

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 29, 2004, 10:39:00 AM

QUOTE(self @ Dec 29 2004, 04:07 PM)

This messageboard never fails to depress me. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who uses this tragedy as an excuse to post shit. The number of dead is up to 68 000 now, and it's going to rise a hell of a lot. 1300 fucking Norwegians are missing over there, which should say a lot about just how many are missing in total.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: pepsik on December 29, 2004, 10:44:00 AM

QUOTE(?P^}D> @ Dec 27 2004, 11:53 PM)

That means a lot coming from a poser like you, fuck off.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 29, 2004, 11:00:00 AM

QUOTE(pepsik @ Dec 29 2004, 07:15 PM)

Oh no the 1337 H4xXx0r has insulted my cred. Grow up, you fuckin twit. Nobody likes you and your thread crapping nazi propaganda got you banned once, why don't you just save us the time and shoot yourself now.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: self on December 29, 2004, 04:13:00 PM

QUOTE(EverythingButAnAnswer @ Dec 29 2004, 06:10 PM)

You can't even comprehend that loss of life, or am I mistaken and you have awakened to find your street littered with bodies and debris? The Red Cross is a fraudulent organization. Speaking of Rwanda, where was everyone when that happened? Where was everyone when Saddam's mass graves were uncovered? More importantly where is everyone with the ongoing mass murders in Sudan, the ongoing human rights violations occurring in China and North Korea, and the ongoing Balkan sex trade?

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 29, 2004, 08:18:00 PM

The "grudge" that I have is that people try to make this out to be the worst travesty in years, when there have been and still are countless other devastating events that seem to continually be ignored by the rest of the world. All that I'm trying to say is where were you guys when all that other stuff was happening?

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: bluedeath on December 29, 2004, 08:43:00 PM

QUOTE(EverythingButAnAnswer @ Dec 29 2004, 08:49 PM)

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 29, 2004, 08:44:00 PM

QUOTE(bluedeath @ Dec 30 2004, 05:14 AM)

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to which natural disasters have caused hundreds of thousands to die while causing the earth to wobble on it's axis enough to effectively speed up it's rotation. God knows what affect this will have on climate, volcanic activity etc. I say hundreds of thousands because indonesia alone is stating that they will have at least eighty thousand not to mention the death toll in the other countries. Now we have to prevent disease which will surely kill many more. I really cannot grasp why you do not think that this is a tradgedy.

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Post by: pug_ster on December 29, 2004, 09:36:00 PM

QUOTE(EverythingButAnAnswer @ Dec 30 2004, 05:15 AM)

I never said it wasn't a tradgedy, I just don't believe it is the worst.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: jimjom on December 30, 2004, 04:01:00 AM

this IS the worst NATURAL disaster to effect humankind.

100,000+ as of 12/30/04

I work for the news, and I can honestly say it's by far the most disturbing footage I have seen, and I have see it all.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: Baner on December 30, 2004, 05:11:00 AM

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: jimjom on December 30, 2004, 08:04:00 AM

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How many Allied and German casualties were there on D-Day, and in the Battle of Normandy?

Casualties refers to all losses suffered by the armed forces: killed, wounded, missing in action (meaning that their bodies were not found) and prisoners of war. There is no "official" casualty figure for D-Day. Under the circumstances, accurate record keeping was very difficult. For example, some troops who were listed as missing may actually have landed in the wrong place, and have rejoined their parent unit only later.

In April and May 1944, the Allied air forces lost nearly 12,000 men and over 2,000 aircraft in operations which paved the way for D-Day.

Total Allied casualties on D-Day are estimated at 10,000, including 2500 dead. British casualties on D-Day have been estimated at approximately 2700. The Canadians lost 946 casualties. The US forces lost 6603 men. Note that the casualty figures for smaller units do not always add up to equal these overall figures exactly, however (this simply reflects the problems of obtaining accurate casualty statistics).

Casualties on the British beaches were roughly 1000 on Gold Beach and the same number on Sword Beach. The remainder of the British losses were amongst the airborne troops: some 600 were killed or wounded, and 600 more were missing; 100 glider pilots also became casualties. The losses of 3rd Canadian Division at Juno Beach have been given as 340 killed, 574 wounded and 47 taken prisoner.

The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured. Of the total US figure, 2499 casualties were from the US airborne troops (238 of them being deaths). The casualties at Utah Beach were relatively light: 197, including 60 missing. However, the US 1st and 29th Divisions together suffered around 2000 casualties at Omaha Beach.

The total German casualties on D-Day are not known, but are estimated as being between 4000 and 9000 men.

Naval losses for June 1944 included 24 warships and 35 merchantmen or auxiliaries sunk, and a further 120 vessels damaged.

Over 425,000 Allied and German troops were killed, wounded or went missing during the Battle of Normandy. This figure includes over 209,000 Allied casualties, with nearly 37,000 dead amongst the ground forces and a further 16,714 deaths amongst the Allied air forces. Of the Allied casualties, 83,045 were from 21st Army Group (British, Canadian and Polish ground forces), 125,847 from the US ground forces. The losses of the German forces during the Battle of Normandy can only be estimated. Roughly 200,000 German troops were killed or wounded. The Allies also captured 200,000 prisoners of war (not included in the 425,000 total, above). During the fighting around the Falaise Pocket (August 1944) alone, the Germans suffered losses of around 90,000, including prisoners.

Today, twenty-seven war cemeteries hold the remains of over 110,000 dead from both sides: 77,866 German, 9386 American, 17,769 British, 5002 Canadian and 650 Poles.

Between 15,000 and 20,000 French civilians were killed, mainly as a result of Allied bombing. Thousands more fled their homes to escape the fighting.

SOURCE: D-DAY FAQs

The Tsunami will definatley beat the OFFICAL numbers here....

I have seen enough dead children today to fill a passenger train.

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Post by: tarheelsnipe on December 30, 2004, 08:48:00 AM

as of 11am EST, 116,000 dead.

maybe this will give a point of reference:

Man-made

Hiroshima - 66,000 dead
Nagasaki - 39,000 dead
Holocaust (1939-1945) - 5,672,000 estimated dead or missing
Stalin - 20,000,000 jailed/killed (estimated. no hard numbers b/c no records were kept of many of the killings under his rule)

Natural Disasters

Huang He Flood 1887 - 900,000 estimated dead
Earthquake in China 1556 - 830,000 estimated dead
Earthquake Tangshan, China 1976 - 242,000 recorded dead

Tsunami Sanriku, Japan, in 1896 - 27,000 (held the record for most killed until now)

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Post by: Mak10 on December 30, 2004, 10:42:00 AM

Bunch of Videos and Images

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Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: tarheelsnipe on December 30, 2004, 12:39:00 PM

QUOTE

Tsunami Sanriku, Japan, in 1896 - 27,000 (held the record for most killed until now)

got it from the guiness book of world records. not sure why they listed this one instead of the 1991 tsunami. maybe it has to do with verifiable sources or something. not too sure. interesting point though.

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Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on December 30, 2004, 03:00:00 PM

The usa and west are doing shit towards t his more people are dying by the day, i was so happy when i found out my relatives in india werent hurt.

THis has been a very sad week.

-BxN

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Post by: The unProfessional on December 30, 2004, 03:26:00 PM

I love this sudden attack on the "West's" aid effort. Such bullshit. If you pulled your head out of CNN you'd realize that the US and Britain have always provided generous aid in times of need. I don't see you bitching about China or Korea - both providing virtually nothing.
The "West" has also shouldered the Lion's share of AIDS relief, amongst other efforts.

I'm also glad your relatives in India weren't hurt - It could've been a worse week, no?

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Post by: The unProfessional on December 30, 2004, 03:46:00 PM

Whatever the numbers might be, it's individuals, not just governments, who're responsible for the aid effort. So rather than spend your time slandering government efforts, perhaps you should take a step back and give a little.

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Post by: Arvarden on December 31, 2004, 03:58:00 AM

The generosity of the British people is really breath taking, our government offered 15 mil in aid and the British public rasied 20 mil in one day, making a total of 35 mil so far (£).

"Can't you see we're fighting a war"

lol ffs, the war is finished the coalitions job is to keep the peace.

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Post by: gronne on December 31, 2004, 04:46:00 AM

Please. I didn't expect much from this forum, but I expected no one to bring this into politics. Such incredibly cynical comments I've seen so far. Some of you are really heartless. I'm glad Self and some others try to keep this out of politics.

This tradgedy keeps getting worse all the time, and I feel so incredibly sad for the people living in the area. Not only have they lost many relatives, but no one will help them with hardly anything. I feel like turning of the news as I almost vomit the more I hear. I'm serious, I can't take it anymore, and I don't even personally know anyone who's dead. I know a few that's been really injured, and I'm very afraid I might know some of the dead, as a few of the lost ones come from my small town. I just want this nightmare to be over...

BTW: I know you can blame USA for a lot of things, like not giving hardly any aid to other countries, but this natural disaster can't be blamed on the US. We will know a lot more in a few months who acted badly in this situation. If anyone had ANY idea how bad this would be, I'm sure everyone would've helped instantly. Even USA.

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Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 31, 2004, 09:22:00 AM

I guess you forgot this was the internet? As for your extreme case of depression, maybe you should seek some counseling. It is perfectly normal to feel sad, but to feel sick, is a bit extreme, and maybe a result of other psychological stress. Maybe I think this way because I am so desensitized, I guess I can thank TV for that.

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Post by: Baner on December 31, 2004, 03:00:00 PM

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It is perfectly normal to feel sad, but to feel sick, is a bit extreme, and maybe a result of other psychological stress

No, to feel so sad that it makes you sick is a human trait, it's called emotion. This may not be that emotional effecting as some other events that could happen, but some people try to feel the pain that half the world is suffering from. I really don't want to turn this into a flame fest, but you have to realize that something like this can, and will affect people different.

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Maybe I think this way because I am so desensitized, I guess I can thank TV for that.

Ok, so maybe i was lying about that flamefest thing... you can thank yourself, for being such a prick. You, like many millions of Americans blame tv for all thier problems. "Oh, the Fuckin McDonalds burger on the tv looked so good, so I had ot get eat one. And now I'm fat! I'm sueing!" Maybe if you pulled your ass out of your "VHS and Beta" role models asses, you could realize that people are what they are, because of what they were born with, not what they see.

As for America not doing enough, they've said that they are going to donate $350,000,000(largest single donation by any single country) to the fund, that's just the government, not to mention the increasing dollars being donated by everyday people.

Last I heard, 125,000 dead, but this will sky rocket once people discover that they're relatives aren't coming home...

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Post by: Colonel32 on December 31, 2004, 05:14:00 PM

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on December 31, 2004, 05:53:00 PM

So i was a little harsh...

The uk has the most money from a country
Also im pleased to see that USA have uped their fund too

The hard part is getting the stuff there...

-BxN

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on December 31, 2004, 08:54:00 PM

QUOTE(Baner @ Dec 31 2004, 11:31 PM)

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on December 31, 2004, 09:18:00 PM

QUOTE(EverythingButAnAnswer @ Dec 31 2004, 11:25 PM)

Last I remember you were the one enjoying those God awful abominations known only as McGriddles. I don't recall blaming TV for all my problems (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The reason I mentioned TV was because it's a fact that extended exposure to violent\depressing\chaotic images results in desensitization, but maybe you are right, and the combination of genetics and the fact that this affects no one I know leads me not to care. Also you aren't born with laziness, laziness is a learned trait. The fact that you feel someones success it predetermined on a genetic level sickens me, and leads me to believe in all seriousness that you are in fact an idiot or a Nazi. By the way what is this, "VHS and Beta"?

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on January 01, 2005, 12:23:00 AM

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on January 01, 2005, 12:24:00 AM

Good night. Sleep tight.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: SKoT on January 02, 2005, 01:53:00 PM

anyone who doesnt think that the US is helping ALOT is a moron.

Our government has sent loads of stuff, not to mention all of our non-profit organizations going over there and sending loads of crap.

Oh and all the muslims now crying that used to hate america, "Help us USA!" make me sick.

^only the ones that are the violent kind mind you.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: Baner on January 03, 2005, 06:08:00 AM

QUOTE

Also you aren't born with laziness, laziness is a learned trait.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: Baner on January 03, 2005, 06:52:00 AM

Forgot to edit this in... 156,000.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on January 15, 2005, 06:47:00 PM

Oh cool it, just because people in the tsunami died doesn't mean its a sign from god or anything 30 million people died of the flu in the early 1900s because we had nothing to prevent it, but were here still

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: Baner on January 17, 2005, 06:46:00 AM

Who brought up religion? Ya, the flu has killed millions, and we are preventing that from ahppening again with flu shots. Did the flu cause billions of dollars of damage? Leveling entire countries? Anyway you look at it, it's a sad event that the whole world has dwelled on, ti has affected the world, and every country in it.
To compare a disaster like this to one in the past to find a scale to rank it on is ignorant. There have been less extreme disasters, and more extreme, but that doesn't mean each one isn't a terrible event. People die, you're right, and life goes on, but we can take measures to prevent the number dead, and the destruction that comes with these events. It's human anture to always better ourselves and way of life.

Title: 25,000 Dead And Counting
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on January 17, 2005, 09:54:00 AM

The only reason the developed world cares is because some white people died.

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