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Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: nemt on December 11, 2004, 04:29:00 PM

Note the lack of any "they're both important" cop-out poll choice.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 11, 2004, 06:15:00 PM

Freedom, who cares if everyone is treated like crap and made to do things that they hate.

Plus i dont think you can have equality and freedom because if people are free to do what they want some will rise and become somthing and earn more respect while others will do nothing and be thought of less.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: brandogg on December 11, 2004, 09:35:00 PM

You can't have equality without freedom...unless we're all just slaves or something like that.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: K98 on December 11, 2004, 10:55:00 PM

Freedom easy choice,as equality isn't entirely possible to get 100%. Just look at how socialism/communism has failed trying to sacrifice freedom just to make everyone supposedly equal. Hard work gets you the same thing as the lazy worker if your equal.

This post has been edited by K98: Dec 12 2004, 06:58 AM

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: FektionFekler on December 12, 2004, 12:30:00 AM

QUOTE (brandogg @ Dec 12 2004, 06:07 AM)

You can't have equality without freedom...unless we're all just slaves or something like that.

Communism/Marxism/Socialism?

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: gcskate27 on December 12, 2004, 01:59:00 AM

QUOTE

unless we're all just slaves or something like that

wouldnt the people we would presumably be slaves to be above us? thus making it unequal? equality entails freedom, assuming equality for everyone...

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: fishlord on December 12, 2004, 03:33:00 AM

QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Dec 12 2004, 10:31 AM)

wouldnt the people we would presumably be slaves to be above us? thus making it unequal? equality entails freedom, assuming equality for everyone...

agreed.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: nemt on December 12, 2004, 08:34:00 AM

These poll results sure are interesting considering the political breakdown of this forum.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: Spency234 on December 12, 2004, 09:08:00 AM

Before I say anything, do you mind explaining that a little bit better?

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: nemt on December 12, 2004, 09:55:00 AM

QUOTE (Spency234 @ Dec 12 2004, 11:40 AM)

Before I say anything, do you mind explaining that a little bit better?

After more people have voted.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: cainedna on December 12, 2004, 10:58:00 AM

If you're going to illustrate the relative value of freedom and equality, freedom is naturally the more important of the two.

Find someone here who believes that only one is important, Nemt, and we'd have actually interesting results.

Finding balance isn't a cop-out, it's just the most rational option.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: Colonel32 on December 12, 2004, 03:15:00 PM

I think only one matters honestly.


Equality doesn't exist, in my opinion it can't. If everyone was equal there would be no personal identity.


Communism didn't work too well. If everyone was equal, then there would be nothing to strive for. That's why capitalism works, we're not supposed to be equal.  There is supposed to be crack heads and stupid people, it's balance and the food chain

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: FektionFekler on December 12, 2004, 08:29:00 PM

QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Dec 12 2004, 11:47 PM)

I think only one matters honestly. Equality doesn't exist, in my opinion it can't. If everyone was equal there would be no personal identity. Communism didn't work too well. If everyone was equal, then there would be nothing to strive for. That's why capitalism works, we're not supposed to be equal.  There is supposed to be crack heads and stupid people, it's balance and the food chain

I love you, suck on that gronne.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: cainedna on December 13, 2004, 01:57:00 PM

Naturally, you're right. Pure equality is a mistake. Conversely, so is anarchy.
What purpose do you think laws have? They (supposedly) balance these freedoms with rights that we should all share.

Unless you're an anarchist. That'd be a different issue altogether.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: brandogg on December 13, 2004, 07:21:00 PM

That was basically my point about equality.

Title: Freedom Or Equality?
Post by: RcbUK on December 17, 2004, 05:38:00 PM