Post by: xbox beat box on November 16, 2004, 06:04:00 AM
If I was the cops, I would have saved Snoop and Dre, and let all the other mother fuckers take each other out.
Bunch of Gorillas if you ask me.
Seriously though, does this not seem a bit primitive? How come these things always happen at Rap awards shows?
I would have no problem with Too Short stabbing Birdman and Chingy shooting DMX.
This is what Suge says:
"It's really important that we don't take a negative incident like this and do away with the awards," Suge Knight told reporters.
Suge is a fucking stone cold killer, he should be getting 25 to life. A negative incident like this? Thats all rap is..one negative incident after another.
Hey Homey.....Go Back To the Hood...or should I say zoo.
Fight at Vibe awards; one person stabbed
Police spokesman: 'It was somewhat chaotic in there'
Tuesday, November 16, 2004 Posted: 1342 GMT (2142 HKT)
SANTA MONICA, California (AP) -- A fight broke out near the stage at the Vibe awards ceremony as rapper Snoop Dogg and producer Quincy Jones were preparing to honor Dr. Dre., and one person was stabbed, authorities and witnesses said.
Dozens of people sitting near the stage Monday inside a hangar at the Santa Monica Municipal Airport began shoving each other as the show wound down about 7:30 p.m., a photographer who covered the event for The Associated Press said.
News video showed chairs being thrown, punches flying, people chasing one another and some being restrained.
It was unclear if the stabbing preceded or followed the fight. The victim, a 26-year-old man, was taken to a hospital and was listed in stable condition.
No arrests were made.
Witness Frank Williams told KCAL-TV that Dr. Dre was involved in the brawl.
"I saw Dr. Dre fighting somebody," Williams said. "I don't know if he was fighting back. But there was a guy taken out basically bloodied."
Andrea Ferguson, employed by a public relations firm that worked with Vibe for the awards ceremony, called the incident a "disruption" but declined to provide details. She added the show was allowed to continue but it was halted for about five minutes.
Dr. Dre, who was scheduled to receive a Vibe Legend Award for his lifetime contributions to hip-hop, had not come on stage yet when the fight erupted. Jones and Snoop Dogg stood on stage without saying anything.
"My understanding is that it was somewhat chaotic in there," police Lt. Frank Fabrega said in a press conference following the fight.
About 1,000 people attended the event; some scurried for the exits when melee began.
"It's really important that we don't take a negative incident like this and do away with the awards," Suge Knight told reporters.
The show was taped Monday and was expected to be broadcast Tuesday. R&B singer Usher led the awards with five nominations, followed by Alicia Keys, who has four nominations.
Vibe magazine focuses on urban culture and entertainment. The awards are voted on by music journalists and "regional tastemakers."
This post has been edited by xbox beat box: Nov 16 2004, 06:36 PM
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 19, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 19, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: makaveli91 on November 19, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
As for the dude getting stabbed, PROPS to young Buck for standing up for his man... Man, I dunno why Snoop just stood there either.... Whatever, Buck stood up for his man and thats that..
Edit: -->EverythingButAnAnswer<-- Your an ass maggot too sayin hip hop should die..
This post has been edited by makaveli91: Nov 20 2004, 04:16 AM
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 19, 2004, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: makaveli91 on November 19, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on November 20, 2004, 07:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 20 2004, 12:11 AM) |
| Your a retard --> xbox beat box <--, some dude punching Dre should get stabbed, shot even.. And callin rappers gorillas? Your also a racist motherfu<ker, you know that? Go back to your trailer you ass maggot... Man i can't even believe you said that shit. For real, get a clue dude. Whats with you people sayin hip hop is this and that... all bad... fuck, listen to anything now.... Hip hop has taken over.. you'll see either an MC, a song or at least a hiphop beat in 95% of the ads on tv... I'm glad to see its risen from the underground to take over... thank god.... Get rid of your punk ass little country bands.. For every 1 negative incident there are 5 positive's that come from hip hop.. Think about the charites and shit that Russ Simmons and the rest have hooked up.. All the communites that hip hop stars help out... donating cash for shit.. As for the dude getting stabbed, PROPS to young Buck for standing up for his man... Man, I dunno why Snoop just stood there either.... Whatever, Buck stood up for his man and thats that.. Edit: -->EverythingButAnAnswer<-- Your an ass maggot too sayin hip hop should die.. |
Using the word "Your" instead of "You're" is retarded. But that is because you learned how to speak from rap. And don't bother playing the race card because Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have wore out the shock value.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 20, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
This post has been edited by Hercules Q Einstein: Nov 20 2004, 06:30 PM
Post by: cainedna on November 20, 2004, 12:57:00 PM
The hate is part of the image they (along with the studios) sell.
Cooler heads wouldn't make it in the industry, anyway.
Post by: T-1200 on November 20, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 20, 2004, 01:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (T-1200 @ Nov 20 2004, 11:21 PM) |
| All black rappers are nothing but low class drug dealing ghetto trash. |
hmmm funny to hear such a racist statment from someone whos avatar seems to be calling bush a nazi
Post by: T-1200 on November 20, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: brandogg on November 20, 2004, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on November 20, 2004, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 20, 2004, 10:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| All black rappers are nothing but low class drug dealing ghetto trash. |
Another shock-value post!
No successful rappers are drug dealers. What would they need to do that for? No matter where you live, you can't be proud of selling drugs to kids.
Granted that some rappers had to hustle, such as Jay-Z (BEFORE he was famous), they were never proud of it. But they rap about it to tell what rough things they've been through.
Post by: The unProfessional on November 21, 2004, 03:34:00 AM
Post by: dietrite on November 21, 2004, 09:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Nov 21 2004, 04:37 AM) |
| Try not to glorify them too much. Some of 'em are ghetto - rich or not. Hence stabbing people and getting 15 to life... AFTER getting rich. |
Some of 'em need to stay ghetto, you always hear rappers continuing to rap about the streets and doing this and that even AFTER getting rich. credibility << that's what it's all about.
look at ja rule, when his credibility got assaulted by 50 cent and his people, if you saw ja rule take the whole thing like a bitch, "the streets" wouldn't buy his music.
CREDIBILITY << very important in hip hop (see vanilla ice, mc hammer, etc..)
important to live what you rap.
Post by: dietrite on November 21, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2004, 11:09 AM) |
| Tupac Shakur was a theatre major in high school and backup dancer for the Digital Underground....pretty ghetto thug huh |
Yes, i guess that outweighs all the other things he did and makes him a softy.. gtfo of here with that.
Post by: socrates on November 21, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Tupac Shakur was a theatre major in high school and backup dancer for the Digital Underground....pretty ghetto thug huh |
Ya im sorry but he was kinda pussy looking if ya ask me lol
Post by: alikaz on November 21, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
fuck tat shit, PACC ALLL THA WAYYYY
Post by: alikaz on November 21, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: Shoue on November 21, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| DID you know that he IS one of the only MC's to actually shoot and actually wound a couple of cops? Lots say it. Hardly any do it. I'm not saying that its cool to do shit like that.. Just the fact that he WAS keeping it real. |
Can I ask how shooting a police officer is "keeping it real"? Sounds like life in prison or the death penalty to me.. of course im not from Brooklyn so who cares what I think
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 21, 2004, 06:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 21 2004, 11:04 PM) |
| FUCK all you guys talking about Pac like that? You don't know shit about his life. So WHAT he went to school to be in theater.. SO WHAT if he was a backup dancer for digital underground... That doesn't mean shit at all against his credibility as a gangsta. He went to the school to be something other than what his mom was.. He had to do something to get out.. be shown... Look at all you homos' Brittney Spears and Justin Timberlake and them... They had to do some other shit to even begin to be exposed.. Pac was from the gutter.. Plain and simple.... And before you start saying shit on something you don't know about maybe read an autobiography on him or something. And for those sayin he was pussy looking? Your pussy for saying that, cause its a fact if you were face to face with the man, you'd shit your pants if you called him anything. DID you know that he IS one of the only MC's to actually shoot and actually wound a couple of cops? Lots say it. Hardly any do it. I'm not saying that its cool to do shit like that.. Just the fact that he WAS keeping it real. |
Pac does look like a pussy, he practicly looks the a Ja Rule clone. Sorry but im not scared of midgets that weigh about a buck 6.
As for shooting cops, how come he didnt get the death penalty? I know in alot of states its automatic for shooting a cop. One thing is for sure if you shoot multiple cops your NOT getting out of jail (unless it was self defense or and accident or something). Sounds like BS.
EDIT: Although i agree that it doesnt matter what he did in high school. People change! Everyone has done somethings that are "uncool" when they are younger (except me
)
Post by: The unProfessional on November 21, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
2-pac = successful, and talented lyracist. But worshipping his lifestyle is laughable. But all his little minions do it.
Please don't tell me you're one of the people who thinks he's still alive.... right?
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 21, 2004, 06:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Nov 22 2004, 03:30 AM) |
| Gosh, Makavelli. You can worship 2-pac as a rapper, that's fine. But why do people get so up in arms when you insult a ruthless gangster? They're fucking killers... do you feel the same way about Dahmer? I hate that "thug life" bullshit. 2-pac = successful, and talented lyracist. But worshipping his lifestyle is laughable. But all his little minions do it. Please don't tell me you're one of the people who thinks he's still alive.... right? |
Dont even put Dahmer in the same catagory as 2pac, Dahmer kept it real.
Post by: socrates on November 21, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| FUCK all you guys talking about Pac like that? You don't know shit about his life. So WHAT he went to school to be in theater.. SO WHAT if he was a backup dancer for digital underground... That doesn't mean shit at all against his credibility as a gangsta. He went to the school to be something other than what his mom was.. He had to do something to get out.. be shown... Look at all you homos' Brittney Spears and Justin Timberlake and them... They had to do some other shit to even begin to be exposed.. Pac was from the gutter.. Plain and simple.... And before you start saying shit on something you don't know about maybe read an autobiography on him or something. And for those sayin he was pussy looking? Your pussy for saying that, cause its a fact if you were face to face with the man, you'd shit your pants if you called him anything. DID you know that he IS one of the only MC's to actually shoot and actually wound a couple of cops? Lots say it. Hardly any do it. I'm not saying that its cool to do shit like that.. Just the fact that he WAS keeping it real. |
LOL if i was face to face with pac and he was all like Bouncing around with his little bunny ear banadna i would probley have a hard time trying not to laugh
and me being afraid of someone casue they come from the "Streets" is a little odd dont you think? just cause somone was raised in a rough inviroment dont make them tuff, its the man inside of you that makes you tuff my friend so before you start trying to tell us all that he is all that and that timberlake and big neck britney are shit cause they were spoon fed there acreers (which i dont disagree with at all) then maybe you need to read a little book on how to seperate reality from fiction and realzie that tupac ,amonsgt other rap stars and rock stars are a marketing scam, there not REAL, you probley wouldnt see tupac going to xmas dinner in his gold chains and bunny ears now would ya? there made to be like this, they have to fit the image that the MTV nation has sppon fed you little whiny punk ass bitches, when i was a kid...( lol i have always wanted to say that 
) we LISTEND to our music, not watched it and rated it on how "cool" the guy was or how big breasted the chick was.....ok that last ones a lie, i love tits.....but still.....fuck now im mad....im goijng for ice cream./
Post by: socrates on November 21, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Dont even put Dahmer in the same catagory as 2pac, Dahmer kept it real. |
Post by: revelashon on November 22, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| All black rappers are nothing but low class drug dealing ghetto trash. |
This statement is entirely on fallacious reasoning, but let say for a moment that there was any truth to this. Now put yourself in the shoes of "low class drug dealing ghetto trash." Would you turn down an opportunity to attain fame an be rich? Furthermore, if your thug image got you money, would you suddenly grow a concious and sellout the image you worked so hard to make?
Thug life asside, the idea of maintaining an image has plagued music for a long time. Sizzla and Sean Paul are good examples of people who soldout their musical preference for success. If you ever meet Sean Paul ask him what his first demo sounded like. "Get Busy" wasn't exactly what he would have had on it. As for Sizzla, just listen to some of his old music. (I know most of you probably don't know Sizzla but I'm sure you all know how to find out).
You can try and blame rappers for proliferating the message that being a thug is acceptable, but you have to stop and think about who pays their salaries. Its the record giants that sign the cheques. Just like the rapper that seized an opportunity, record companies see a lucrative trend developing so they let the rappers run with it.
Its sad though. If a fight breaks out at a hip hop event then its assumed that the fight broke out because they are either black, rappers, or both. The entire black population shouldn't be blamed for any such incident. Neither should inner city communities be blamed. Many people make it out of the hood by working hard. Most of my family falls in this category. I know for a fact that the thugs represent a small fraction of blacks, however the media-made image has destroyed the integrity of the rest of us.-
Title: Fight At Vibe Awards
Post by: Baner on November 22, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
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Celeberties agree to become role models for people everywhere. They are paid to be in the publics eyes constantly, and this isn't the way they should be acting. This is alot like the brawl at the pistons game, it ruins the cummunity you represent, and makes people look down at your co-workers. Your actions will effect others around you, and the way kids and adults alike act and look up to you.
This is far from a bar brawl, these are suppose to be the finest people of their industry, recieving awards for what they do, and they resort to stabbing one another? Trying to defend these guys is stupid.
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Title: Fight At Vibe Awards
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 22, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
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Thug life asside, the idea of maintaining an image has plagued music for a long time. Sizzla and Sean Paul are good examples of people who soldout their musical preference for success. If you ever meet Sean Paul ask him what his first demo sounded like. "Get Busy" wasn't exactly what he would have had on it. As for Sizzla, just listen to some of his old music. (I know most of you probably don't know Sizzla but I'm sure you all know how to find out).
You can try and blame rappers for proliferating the message that being a thug is acceptable, but you have to stop and think about who pays their salaries. Its the record giants that sign the cheques. Just like the rapper that seized an opportunity, record companies see a lucrative trend developing so they let the rappers run with it.
Its sad though. If a fight breaks out at a hip hop event then its assumed that the fight broke out because they are either black, rappers, or both. The entire black population shouldn't be blamed for any such incident. Neither should inner city communities be blamed. Many people make it out of the hood by working hard. Most of my family falls in this category. I know for a fact that the thugs represent a small fraction of blacks, however the media-made image has destroyed the integrity of the rest of us.
Post by: Baner on November 22, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
This is far from a bar brawl, these are suppose to be the finest people of their industry, recieving awards for what they do, and they resort to stabbing one another? Trying to defend these guys is stupid.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 22, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 22 2004, 11:02 PM) |
| I am in no way worshipping pacs lifestyle. He is one of the greatest mcs... Thats what people worship. As for keeping it real.. if u don't understand what i meant then you shouldn't be talking about anything to do with this subject. He shot 2 cops, they didn't die, they were undercover. They were harrassing a black motorist and tupac basically stood up for the dude. And he shot them.. They lived. Charges dropped. |
So he didnt even know they were cops? Also why were charges dropped? Shooting a cop undercover or not is still life in jail (if not the death sentence) unless there was something else going on (not just harrasing some dude).
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 22, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
I dont care if they were harrasing somebody else (a complete stranger also) you still wont get away with shooting 2 cops, hell you probably wouldnt get away with it if they were harrasing you.
This whole story is either BS or your leaving alot out.
Post by: gcskate27 on November 22, 2004, 11:58:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ok dude, look it up.. |
thats not really how this kind of thing works... if you assert something and someone questions it, its up to you to provide sources... otherwise what you said can, in every right, be presummed false...
| QUOTE |
| Do some searching before you claim shit is made up or BS. |
as before, you should do some searching before claiming something is completly true...
as it so happens i do remember hearing about this incident... so im not questioning that it happened, just the specifics... you seem to be idolising tupac way too much to be healthy... why do you care if someone online says he wouldnt be scared to fight him?
to be quite honest, most popular rappers today have 0% talent... and while i do think that tupac had talent, a lot of people seem to miss his messages... he wasnt about 'keeping it real' or 'being gangsta'... while he had some songs based around that he had many more based around helping people to realise that things were fucked up... but you get kids like you claiming he was some hardened 'gangsta' who nobody should fuck with and miss his entire point, glorifying the negative aspects of his public persona...
Post by: drunkmunk on November 23, 2004, 12:55:00 AM
word
Post by: tupac on November 23, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
Post by: socrates on November 23, 2004, 06:33:00 AM
im sorry but that pic of tupac you have in your avatr looks like the cowardly lion from wizard of oz lol...Tupac was a punk just like any other chicken ass fucker who needs a gun to proove he's a man, so if he did shoot 2 under cover cops then he is a pussy....big sticky pussy.....who happens to resemble the cowardly lion which makes my point even more credible
Post by: socrates on November 23, 2004, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: tupac on November 23, 2004, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: drunkmunk on November 23, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (xbox beat box @ Nov 23 2004, 06:21 PM) |
| Pacer's and Vibe awards notice any similarities here........ |
that some fucker is gonna get rich for getting punched by some stupid rich fuckers. Man if I were to get hit by an nba star the whole time I would be trying to decide whether my Porsche would be black or red. think about the return investment you get for dumping a 6.00 beer on some guy get a black eye and then never have to work again... god I wish a rapper or nba star would kick my ass
Post by: socrates on November 23, 2004, 11:35:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| and the cowardly lion, i dont know how the fuck u made that comparison lol |
i dont know man, i have always thought that about your avatar ,its just the way he has his face......kinda creeps me out ...like he wants to ... steal my courage 
Post by: powercntrl on November 23, 2004, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: socrates on November 23, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: dietrite on November 23, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (socrates @ Nov 23 2004, 07:36 AM) |
| im sorry but that pic of tupac you have in your avatr looks like the cowardly lion from wizard of oz lol... |
you idiot! he's a brave white shark!
Post by: dietrite on November 23, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: socrates on November 23, 2004, 05:27:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| you idiot! he's a brave white shark! |
Fuck you man i say he's the courdly lion and thats final!!
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 23, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 23 2004, 11:46 PM) |
| OK, for those of you's who are lazy ass bitches that want proof that he actually shot a couple of cops heres a link to the story: Cops shot It explains why the charges were dropped, and why it started in the first place. OK??? Now instead of sitting around saying thats bullshit blah blah blah.. read something. Do some research.. It took me not even 2 minutes to find this. |
hitmeup.com "The Official Unofficial 2Pac Site"
Wow, way to quote some reliable sources there, I mean they're the official unoffical site. I like the way the article is basically a glorified nut licking to him too about what a "gangsta" he was.
All I got to say is do people really think "creditibility" is worth dying for?
| QUOTE |
| "OOH, I shot 50 people and I'm hardcore and I slang rock and got 30 kids by different mommas and I don't pay a dime for support". |
I know all rap isn't about what I posted above but a lot is, and I would think of all people, those who came from nothing would be the first trying to change things around to help others get out of it instead of glorifying such idiocy.
Post by: amicold on November 23, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
If you ask me it was a publicity stunt.
"Yo Fifty, that's about all your albums are worth wanna beat some people at the awards so we can boost sales?"
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 23, 2004, 10:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 24 2004, 05:46 AM) |
| OK, for those of you's who are lazy ass bitches that want proof that he actually shot a couple of cops heres a link to the story: Cops shot It explains why the charges were dropped, and why it started in the first place. OK??? Now instead of sitting around saying thats bullshit blah blah blah.. read something. Do some research.. It took me not even 2 minutes to find this. |
Well that doesnt prove it completely because there is nothing official its just some dude who has a tupac fan page (no real offical documents).
Anyway though his story is ALOT more beliveable, i will put the parts you left out or changed in Bold. Its says two OFF DUTY (this is big because cops are treated much different when on duty, like you said they were) cops were HARASSING TUPAC (you said it was some random dude they were harrasing) and THREATNING HIM WITH A STOLEN GUN all while drunk.
See i said it was either BS or you left alot out and you did have the story completly wrong. This wasnt Tupac shooting some cop this was clear self defence.
| QUOTE (makaveli91) |
| DID you know that he IS one of the only MC's to actually shoot and actually wound a couple of cops? Lots say it. Hardly any do it....Just the fact that he WAS keeping it real. |
| QUOTE (makaveli91) |
| And I don't idolize Tupac for the things that he did outside rap, like the shootings, |
These two quotes seem to contradict each other a bit. The reason i brought this up is because you were glorifying 2pac for shooting 2 cops (even though he didnt know they were cops). You said 'Alot of rappers claim to shot cops but pac actully did it'. Why would it matter he shot cops unless you felt that gave him an edge on other rappers some how???
EDIT: And for the record i do like Tupacs music.
Post by: tupac on November 23, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (mike96sc2 @ Nov 24 2004, 05:19 AM) |
| hitmeup.com "The Official Unofficial 2Pac Site" Wow, way to quote some reliable sources there, I mean they're the official unoffical site. I like the way the article is basically a glorified nut licking to him too about what a "gangsta" he was. All I got to say is do people really think "creditibility" is worth dying for? I know all rap isn't about what I posted above but a lot is, and I would think of all people, those who came from nothing would be the first trying to change things around to help others get out of it instead of glorifying such idiocy. |
its not "credibility," its pride and honor, and yes, sometimes it is worth dying for...
Post by: socrates on November 24, 2004, 06:18:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I'm not glorifying anything. I am just saying that he actually did the things other rappers only make up or say that they do but really don't. And yeah, i might have gotten a few of the points mixed up, because it was like 8 years ago.. The point was made. And PAC didn't need an edge on other rappers. Do you think someone would shoot at some cops with the expectations of getting an edge?? Man, i can't even believe that you are not understanding what i mean. Maybe i don't talk thorough english? Maybe your from another country? Who knows. I'm done on this subject. For all you haters out there go f$ck yourselves. Don't bash a genius because you don't like his art form. And for those who don't think its art, that its a talentless genre, try to kick a 30 second freestyle.. Try to rap... I bet you can't because its too damn hard for you's.. |
Soo....uhh....whens tupac coming back from the dead?...i heard he's gunna come walking down the road with elvis and john lenon and al lthe other dead music stars .....difference will be that tupac will be the only one outta them that has no talent
....."spitting ;yrics" has no place in the music world, i love to listen to it all the time but i dont think of it as a musical break from the world, i find it just entertaining at how well the rap to music they stole off REAL artists .
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 24, 2004, 01:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 24 2004, 07:14 AM) |
| Don't bash a genius because you don't like his art form. And for those who don't think its art, that its a talentless genre, try to kick a 30 second freestyle.. Try to rap... I bet you can't because its too damn hard for you's.. |
Who are you talking to??? Look at my previous post from topic like Favortie CD and such. Its always rap i pick. I like tupac. I think he had talent.
I just dont like fans like you that say hes god and than when defending him use things not even related to music (such as shooting cops). You were glorifying him just admit it.
Post by: mynuffinfutsitch on November 24, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
KICKS ASS
Post by: Heet on November 25, 2004, 02:40:00 AM
Post by: dmb062082 on November 25, 2004, 04:08:00 AM
Its not that I ever bought in to the music of rap, or did anything they said, well to an extent, but I noticed growing up that mostly everyone in the ghetto or inner city listened to rap and acted just like the rappers they listened to, its now safe to say most of my old friends now reside in prison, one is dead. Of cource I would never blame any of this on rap music, but the point I am trying to get accrost is quite simple, rap, rappers, and many people that listen to it are fucking TRASH.
I agree with many black senior citizens, rap is horrible and should be removed from the market if not censored, it corrupts young minds to an extent, even if one knows right from wrong. I tell you right now If my kid ever idolized someone like snoop dog or 50 cent, I would be kind of worried, wouldnt you? Look at it that way, it tends to open eyes more if you place your kid or future seed in those shoes. Well thats where the current generation is headed, and its only paving a way for horrible future. Now this specific debate here can easily branch off into all media outlets, and it shuld but for now I guess its just a RAP DEBATE. But, yeah, the country of the United States is going to hell in a hand basket, and I blame working mothers, and music mainly, as music is how most people live a life by. Sound crazy? Not really everyone has a specific style of dress, and most can be related to a specfic genre of music except for the average prep.
Its pretty much ALL trash, rap that is. From a guy growing up listening to N.W.A. trust me its all trash. Listen to the fucking words...... fuck that ho, kill that niggah, take that money, make that money, beat that niggah down, break out the 45 niggah ill shoot you in da back of the fuckin skull, sell that coke, what ever the list fucking goes on and on, keep in mind our young people look up to filth like that. What does most rap consist of? Fucking scum bags with money, just about all black/white rappers are trash, so throw the race card at me if you want to but yeah I said it, most rappers and people that live in the ghetto, and are white, or USUALY black trash. I know because I used to be the biggest fuck up in the world. There are not many decent rappers left, about the only rap I can still listen to are people like nelly, mase and kane west as they are not all about killing/fucking sluts/stealing/selling/mad dough ect ect.
A fight at the vibe awards does not shock me, kind of like a fight on the basketball court or a prison cell. Its how they act and portray themselves, its how they want to be seen, they want to live that lifestyle, and dont fucking argue with me and call me racist for stating the truth, as they say it again and again in the lyrics they spit. (insert trash here)
All I can be sure of however, is that our country will be going to hell, and banning rap, or giving it a larger user base, will not matter much.
One word though before i go
ron_artest_is_a_rapper LMFAO
Post by: _SCaRfaCe on November 25, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
Rap isn't the only music to blame here... I'm sure the other genres of music out there (especially metal) send the same messages... but - IMO - not as much as rap.
Now, some rappers have actually come out and stated this - albeit in their own slang way. Jay-Z was on Conan not too long ago and was pretty serious about stating to the viewers out there that life is not a music video.
I see young people today - and at times it's so sad it makes me laugh out loud - tryin to be like their idols in the music videos. I've seen 16-18 year-olds at the local bus terminal act like they're in a gang - wearing red/blue bandanas and talkin' smack. I should ask them if they go by the "City Bus Bloods" or Crypts.
Like i said, pop culture is fucked up nowadays - and its too much to explain to certain peeps, especially girls.
I'm applaud you if you can notice this. Most people can't. I'm not trying to disgrace nothing. All I'm saying is, people need to watch what type of music they choose to listen to. Because it is a drug and can turn your perception of the "little things in life" up-the-fuck-side-down. I've been there and like many others have noticed this and am still trying to move on.
I still rap, still love listening to rap, but I know when not to cross the line in terms of tryin to be someone I'm not.
I don't hang with a group. Like race, people are hobitually diverse and like different things... including - Guess What!?!? - music. I don't think I don't look "cool" hanging with someone who dresses like a gino or cowboy or whatever. I also don't see myself as superior to him/her. That's a big problem with pop culture these days.
Another example... J-Kwon who's single "Tipsy" debuted at number 1 a while back was asked if he really meant what he said in his lyrics. What i heard from him shocked da shit outta me: "Kids, don't be somebody you're not. Be real. Stay in school." Among other things. My point is - once again - life is not a music video. These artists have ups and downs just like you and me. They grow old, fat and get bad teeth.
Maybe if everyone learned to look past the whole - bein cool - concept and learned that materialism - whether it be physical or mental - is wrong and so fucking fake, we'd all be at peace with this music.
Post by: dmb062082 on November 26, 2004, 07:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (_SCaRfaCe @ Nov 25 2004, 07:34 PM) |
| Like i said, pop culture is fucked up nowadays - and its too much to explain to certain peeps, especially girls. |
Ha ha, could not have said that better myself, I wanted to talk about that as well, but might as well save it for a women rant, something I could probably do for 50 pages, or as rappers would put it.... 800 bars. =)
P.S. hiya HSdemonz
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 26, 2004, 12:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 20 2004, 06:11 AM) |
| Edit: -->EverythingButAnAnswer<-- Your an ass maggot too sayin hip hop should die.. |
I am too, because I think it should (american hip hop that is).
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 26, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (makaveli91 @ Nov 26 2004, 06:25 AM) |
| Kanye, Nas, Jay-Z, pac, and em... These are off the top of my head the only MC's that actually have songs with meaning.. |
Your mind is diseased.
Post by: amicold on November 26, 2004, 07:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (Heet @ Nov 25 2004, 11:43 AM) |
| <Heet> That or a peice of chicken but Im betting on the bling. Yep, definately bling. |
Haha Heet you're my new best friend, that was classic
Post by: socrates on November 27, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Nov 26 2004, 10:56 PM) |
| This is a topic I really like, when people discredit rap and then list other "music" which still very basic from music theory standpoint. The artists you listed people mostly loved them not for the music itself, but the lyrics and main theme that follows them. The lyrics invoke more emotion out of most people than music, so I don't think that is a good way to judge the music itself. It seems foolish to go that route when all popular music is going to be fairly simple. It is music for the masses afterall. Bach, Mozart, Barber, Bartok, Mussorgsky, I could go on forever, those are all people who have real talent when it comes to the music itself, not just filler for lyrics. |
ok im not sure if your agreeing with me or disagreeing with me, i just woke up so my brain hasnt had time to warm up yet so just ignore me well i do a cold reboot on my head