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Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 17, 2004, 09:35:00 AM

I tried to do a headerpin install on the Xenium and whilst trying to solder the d0 I managed to burn off the top d0 and then I soldered it to the bottom d0, but that got pulled off and now my Xbox just FRAGs. Is their anyway to save my Xbox or will I have to buy a new mobo? If I do have to buy a new mobo does it have to be the same version as my current one (1.4)?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Heet on April 17, 2004, 09:43:00 AM

Any version (albeit it has to match your psu socket).  If you destroyed both d0's you may wanna consider having someone do it for you.  Mobos aint cheap.  

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 17, 2004, 09:48:00 AM

hehe yea I just thought I could do it myself. I blame my naff soldering iron, though, so I'll be getting a new one pretty soon. Also if any version is okay, then will like a 1.0 work on my 1.4 if they are both UK PAL? or are there PSU differences within regions?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 17, 2004, 09:49:00 AM

trace the D0 and look for another place to bridge

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 17, 2004, 09:51:00 AM

Ok I might as well try that before getting a new mobo.
Cheers for the help lads

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 17, 2004, 10:37:00 AM

I just realised, does tracing the d0 and bridging just mean scratching away at the trace with a sharp object till it's shiny and then soldering to the shiny bit?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 17, 2004, 01:15:00 PM

yes correct .... this should fix your xbox...  i did this before to a 1.0

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Albino on April 17, 2004, 01:37:00 PM

Just to answer your question on different mobo's a v1.0 has a different psu connector to a 1.4, also whereabouts are you in the uk, i've done a few of the trace repares before and i might be able to help out.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 17, 2004, 01:40:00 PM

I'm in Derby

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Albino on April 17, 2004, 01:55:00 PM

West Yorkshire's probably a little too much of a treck 4 ya then, any way if your gonna have a go yourself, all youve gotta d s use a sharp object like the tip of a scalpel to carefully scrape away a the green stuff on the wires, then i use a bit of flux to let the solder flow on the track better, use quite a fine cable for the bridging, maybe a strand from an old floppy drive cable if you have one hangin around, then all ya gotta do is solder the 2 ends to the mobo, just make sure you get the right track, and try not to scrape away at any other tracks near by so that yo don't accidentaly form a conection 2 that and short out. if your lookin 4 a decent soldering iron though i'd go with a Welter. Just keep at it cos it might take a few goes.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: ej2095 on April 18, 2004, 12:25:00 AM

if ya do need a mobo try www.xboxbreakers.com

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Chancer on April 18, 2004, 12:37:00 AM

Clean the ends of the printed circuit on each side adjacent to where the d0 points were using a fibreglass pen. Link one to the other with something like a piece of fine kynar wire and use rosin cored solder. You can get all the bits from cpc.co.uk.
You may want to bear in mind that if you get a new Mobo you will not be able to use your original HDD  with the M$ bios if you did not unlock it prior to doing the damage. Did you ever do a back up including the eeprom?.
If you get really stuck PM me but we are also in West Yorkshire so you would need to bring it or ship it. Possibly someone local does this sort of repair and that may be the cheapest option.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Chancer on April 18, 2004, 02:19:00 AM

QUOTE

A FRAG is supposed to indicate that your d0 point is okay. Are you sure the d0 is the problem?

He broke both D0 points so the machine will Frag. Bust the bottom one and you can still get away with the TSOP. Bust the top one and you need to link both points together

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: MaXa on April 18, 2004, 04:37:00 AM

Stick a needle in the hole...

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 18, 2004, 08:23:00 AM

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Chancer on April 18, 2004, 09:23:00 AM

You have to bridge the top D0 trace to the bottom one for the box to work again correctly

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 18, 2004, 10:29:00 AM

ah okay I get it now

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 01:40:00 AM

Upper d0 (where I lifted the trace to it)


The bottom d0 (where I just destroyed the actual bit with the solder, the traces are fine)


I'll probably try to fix it tomorrow once my new 0.12mm soldering iron tip arrives. I was thinking of soldering a wire to the trace going to the upper d0 then then soldering that to the point on the underside of the board where the upper d0 contact is on the top, as I think the lower d0 goes to it. That, I think, would solve the problem of the lifted trace and destroyed upper d0 point. Then I'd just simply bridge the gap between the both sides of the lower d0 and then solder my chip's d0 wire to where I'd solder a wire to the trace to the upper d0.
Sorry if this doesn't make too much sense, but it's the best I can think of and I want to ask you guys if it'd work lest I completely destroy my mobo forever (and end up losing access to my hdd )

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 07:11:00 AM

bump?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 10:15:00 AM

bump for les nouvaeu pics

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Chancer on April 19, 2004, 11:07:00 AM

QUOTE

Stick a needle in the hole...

I think its a bit past that stage really.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: Chancer on April 19, 2004, 11:10:00 AM

DBL sorry

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 11:35:00 AM

but I haven't touched anything except the two d0's and the lpc holes, so I don't see how I could've broken anything else.

EDIT: but I do see some wayward solder. I don't know how that could have got there.
How much do you think it'd cost to repair this mess?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 19, 2004, 11:54:00 AM

ill fix it for 35 if you pay for shipping or 60 if i do...

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 12:15:00 PM

whereabouts are ya?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: The iNSOMNIAc on April 19, 2004, 12:36:00 PM

you can fix d0 in the way you have on your pictures but the it`s also fixable to just solder (what is left) of the top d0 line directly to the onboard tsop bios chip on the topside of the board. 20 quid + postage and i will do it for you bud.

i am up the north notheast part of england

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 12:54:00 PM

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 19, 2004, 01:00:00 PM

if youre in england renegade go with insomniac but n e where else like US send it to me.. my place of emplyment is pretty reputable in CA.... .. PCCLUB.COM for any repairs. And if you live that far away i wouldnt charge for the shipping
jsut the labor


Im in california US  (goleta, Santa Barbara,)

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 01:14:00 PM

Yea im in the UK so I guess it'd be better to go with insomniac.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 01:30:00 PM

sounds good to me

btw, what part of the bios chip would I solder to?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: thedustycelt on April 19, 2004, 01:49:00 PM

I would hesitate to solder to the bios chip, the pins are exremly close together, and it will be verry easy to accidentaly bridge the pins with solder.  If you follow the bottom d0 trace, it goes to a via directly bellow the TSOP. I would connect here before I would atempt to conect directly to the TSOP. I believe it is the 5th pin from the right on the tsop (closest to the processor) You can verrify this with a continuity checker / Ohm meter.

Your best bet is still to fix the traces, gently scrape them to bare metal, then tin the 30gauge wire with flux solder. Then hold the wire to the trace, and touch it with the iron just long enough for the solder to flow from the wire to the trace. once you know you have fixed the trace, hot glue that sucker in place so you don't rip it off.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 01:51:00 PM

ok cheers

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 19, 2004, 02:18:00 PM

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 02:42:00 PM

Well I just had a look at my mobo and I noticed that the 5th pin from the right on the TSOP is liked to a point that would be fairly easy to get, so could I just solder a wire from what's left of the d0 trace to that point?

I can only get access to my webcam atm but I managed to get a pic:


EDIT: I just realised that thedustycelt might've meant the 5th pin from the right on the other side of the TSOP chip (the side that goes towards the back of the xbox (where the video and ethernet outs are), so could someone please clarify wether it's the 5th pin fromt he right on the bottom side of the TSOP (the front of the xbox, facing towards where the controller ports and dvd drive are) or on the top side (the back of the xbox, facing towards where the video and ethernet outs are). Thanks to anyone who can clarify this for me, as I'm trying to take ALL the precautions to avoid any more fuckups, as I'd rather not have to fork out anymore cash (I've spent £75 since thursday on various xbox mods)

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 19, 2004, 03:12:00 PM

d00d ... trace it with a sharpy...

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 03:37:00 PM

What I meant was is the the 5th pin from the right on the bottom or the top of the TSOP chip that you have to make a connection to the upper d0 to?

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: evoxreloaded on April 19, 2004, 03:43:00 PM

HHMMMMM.....  if i wasnt at work right now id tell ya but if no one answers by the time i get off ill help ya...

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 19, 2004, 03:54:00 PM

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Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: thedustycelt on April 19, 2004, 04:30:00 PM

I believe that you are looking at the wrong side of the TSOP it is the side furthest from the top D0 (in between the TSOP and the EPROM)



You can follow the trace, remember that vias pass through the motherboard to the other side. so if you follow the trace from the top d0 via it goes to the bottom and runs along the d0 pad that was ripped from the botom. it then hits another via and goes back to the top you can't see it on the top because the trace and the via are under the tsop.





Hope this helps!

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 20, 2004, 02:51:00 AM

ok thanks very much mate, I'm about to do it now

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 20, 2004, 04:05:00 AM

so thanks very much guys, I really appreciate it everyone who helped.

The only thing is now to get my chip working as now I can't get it to boot from the chip. The Xenium has a red light on it, so it is receiving power, so so I'm guessing this is a d0 problem. I've got the trace for the upper d0 linked to the chip and then to the tsop chip, so I'm guessing the problem is with the d0 on my chip. Y'see the solder pad for the d0 for a pin header install came off , so I used the d0 for the quick solder. I'm guessing the two d0's aren't compatible so I guess it's a quick solder install for me.

I'd best ask in the Xenium forum just in case.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: thedustycelt on April 20, 2004, 08:13:00 AM

Glad to here you got it working!

I would go ahead and solder the chip in at this point, because the solderless d0 connectors will never reach your d0 now that it has moved so far from the original. You can just conect it to the wire that you used to jumper to the tsop.

One more thing, Get a big glob of hot glue on to your connections to the board so it dosn't get riped off again. Then just snip your jumper wire and splice in the d0 from the chip.

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 20, 2004, 08:15:00 AM

but now I think my Xenium is dead, as some solderpads got pulled off and now my xbox just frags with the Xenium connected
At least my xbox works now though

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: renegade1488 on April 20, 2004, 08:16:00 AM

double post

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: thedustycelt on April 20, 2004, 08:19:00 AM

cheers

Title: Destroyed D0 Points
Post by: thedustycelt on April 20, 2004, 08:24:00 AM

QUOTE

Yea I don't have any access to hot glue atm so I just used electric tape  but now I think my Xenium is dead, as some solderpads got pulled off and now my xbox just frags with the Xenium connected At least my xbox works now though

I would go buy a hot glu gun if you can find them (they have em here in the states at the dollar stores!  I could ship you one if you wanted... The problem I had with tape was that it ended up coming lose and yanking the connection up with it!  Hot glue on the other hand is awsome.

You should be able to fix the traces on the chip just like you fixed the traces on the board.  If not, you could always get another chip or just flash the TSOP!

Cheers!