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You're a victim of institutional racism |
I am too. Canadian 'visual minorities' rules make my job a lot harder than it needs to be.
The way the government throws money at Natives in Canada is just brutal as well.
It sounds really nice, but really they have just shoved them all out to reserves and fed them a steady dose of my tax money and made everything free so they won't come back to the cities. No intergration whatsoever, there are reserves in my province that repairman and soliciters can't go without police escorts because people will take pop shots from the houses.
This post has been edited by Colonel32 on Oct 21 2004, 05:52 AM
^sorry in advance for going slightly off topic^
as it doesnt directly affect me as much as scholarships, workplace affirmative action doesnt piss me off nearly as much...
scholarship oppratunities in texas are fucking rediculous... about a third go to hispanci people in general, another third to female hispanics and about a sixth to other minorities... the only ones im personally qualified for (as a white male from, at best, the lower middle class) are so selective its, to use the word again, rediculous... i could have spent my entire high school years doing homework to maintain a 4.04 grade point average, do ludicrous amounts of community service and spend my free time working on my essay and speech writing skills only to be lucky enough to be choosen to get 500 a semester*... FUCK THAT... so what if im white? i shouldnt come anywhere near free money? i should have to work extra hard because i wasnt born a minority**?
i fully agree there is way too much "reverse" racism in 'the system'... imagine how crazy people would go if there was a scholarship that the main requirement was that you had to be a white male... theyd riot in the streets...
no i am nowhere near racist but i can point out where someone is getting a free ride where others have to struggle (and i would if the shoe were on the other foot)... im from a not so privelegded background and my pell grant doesnt even cover classes, let alone books or living costs...
why not just be a country with free higher education?
*which, as anyone who has been to college knows, is nothing...
**though where ive lived im most def in the minority...
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You're a victim of institutional racism. It's no different than the racism african americans (and others) experienced, especially in the job market, for many years. |
That is NOT a fair comparison. You cannot compair affirmative action with what the black people had to go through.
Now, I'm also against affirmative action, since I can't see how it'll make anything better to use reversed racism. The white people will in a small portion get to feel how it is to be treated like they black once were. But no white person will think they deserve to be out of job because of affirmative actions.
Most of the young white people that can't get a job due to AA, never participated in any racism. If this was done in the 50-60's, I could understand it, since they directly participated in the discrimination, but I wouldn't promote it then either since there would be even more racial hatred. If you break a law in N.Korea they send you to a concentration camp, and for three generations your offspring will also have to spend their lives in concentration camps. You can't punish the people that had nothing to do with it.
However, something must be done. Company's don't want to hire you if your name is Mohammed, eventhough you have great grades, but if your name is Anderson your grades are automatically better. Something needs to be done, but AA is not the answer.
Afirmitive action is bullshit. But When you get into the high tech industy I don't think they take that into account. There are about 300 people who work in the building I do. About 25 of them are black maybe 50 of them are wemon and the rest are white males.
It doesn't seem like afermative action makes a diferance here.
Your joking right?
There is no chinese working there? In the High Tech?
WOW
i say fuck em all
I work at a local power company, I say local, but we're the second largest power company in the southeast. All of the engineers are white males, mainly baptist. We have a fair ratio of females, mainly in customer service and receptionist positions. Again, the majority of our linemen are white males, with a good bit of black males. Our company doesn't seem to be affected by AA, whomever seems to be qualified for the postition seems to get it.
gcskate27,
Texas has the top 10% program.
If you were in the top 10% of your class you would automatically be accepted to any institution in texas. So shut-up cause theirs alot of Latins and Blacks that get A in other states that wont be accepted to any good colleges becuase of the where their from (School is not a high ranked HS). If you cant afford your school get a loan. Your parents should've went to college so they could afford to pay for yours.
My father was born in the US in 1933 as a non white male. What oppurtunities do you think he had. So don't Bitch and moan about AA cause less then 10% of all minorites have recieved any AA. The real fact is white women get the most benafit from Americas AA program.
To the rest of you,
I highly doubt your employer laid you off just to make room for a minority to fill a quota. More likely they laid you of to Hire a minority for less money! Or they laid you off cuase you Boss' are racist and they think Chinease are good with computers and numbers, and do not socialize in the office, therefor making them more desirable employees, you know typical stereo types. I've seen it first hand, what was funny was the guy was almost retarded. 6 months on the job and Had no Clue. So don't just run out and say it's AA. Cause believe me the Status Quo ain't never agree to something that may jepordise it's existance. Money is behind everything nowa days. The Minorities Rule.... but not the Latins, Blacks, Asians or whatever they are where you live it's the few Guys that got all the Money fuckin it up for everyone else!!!
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That is NOT a fair comparison. You cannot compair affirmative action with what the black people had to go through.
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Okay, but how does affirmative action HELP the minority community?
Any response to that can easily be rebutted.
GCSkate: I had a 4.0, a couple varsity letters, community service, and a damn good essay. The only scholarships I could come close to qualifying for either [A] didn't offer much help at all or
required extreme academic records, such as a 1500+ SAT. In the end I just worked through school to pay the bills. I had some help with tuition. Scholarships, in their current form, are Affirmative Action whether we like it or not.
This post has been edited by The unProfessional on Oct 26 2004, 12:09 AM
first off, mc 365, i wasnt bitching about affirmative action at all...
secondly, i wasnt in the top 10% (#69 out of around 450 ) in my high school because i realised what a joke it was and didnt do anything for pretty much the whole final year*... thankfully im actually quite smart, if you base intelligence on test taking, and could get into loads of schools based on my SAT scores and gpa...
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Texas has the top 10% program. If you were in the top 10% of your class you would automatically be accepted to any institution in texas. So shut-up cause theirs alot of Latins and Blacks that get A in other states that wont be accepted to any good colleges becuase of the where their from |
well then blacks and latinos here get in if theyre in the top 10% also... reread my post, am i complaining about scholarship or school policies elsewhere? no im not, so you can stop right there...
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If you cant afford your school get a loan. |
i have because i have to, im going to graduate with crazy amounts of debt while others can get money more easily (at least statistically with the amount of scholarships and grants aimed at them because they are minorities)... and you can bet that upsets me...
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Your parents should've went to college so they could afford to pay for yours. |
how about i say this about all minorities? ohh they have a harder time going to college because their minorities? hey i have a hard time even paying to be in college... seems about equal... they have a hard time getting in? so would i have had if i didnt do well in school... my family is far from being well off but i still do fine...
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My father was born in the US in 1933 as a non white male. What oppurtunities do you think he had. So don't Bitch and moan about AA cause less then 10% of all minorites have recieved any AA. The real fact is white women get the most benafit from Americas AA program. |
dont try and turn this over and say that i cant bitch about a system i disagree with because other people think they have it harder... i wasnt complaining about AA in the slightest and what your father went through has abs nothing to do with me...
*obviously i did do some work our i wouldve failed, but it was just enough to get by...