Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
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"Gamers are a very smart bunch, and gamers who still haven't seen a PS3 or seen one played, will make the determination. The English expression is, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Having videos, having characters in videos... The fact that they feel the need to have Snake tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Moore concluded.
http://www.gamesindu...e.php?aid=11621
Post by: Deftech on September 19, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
MGS 4 is the best looking thing ever! It eclipsed Killzone 24.8, and Devil May Cry 17 will eclipse that!
I hate Peter and J and Robbie, they are wastes of skin. They need to follow in the footsteps of Gabe Newell and Kenny K, and my personal pal who cant make up his mind, Hideo Kojima
back to reality...
Never thought of it that way, but Peter has a point.
I look forward to January'February when Kenny K announces to the world the ps3 has been drastically delayed, and wont hit US soil till Fall 2006, at the earliest. It shall happen, mark my fanboy words.
And if they do rush it out, it will hold the record for most malfunctioning sony product ever. And thats saying a lot
Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 19 2005, 12:52 PM)
You're nothing but a fanboy for posting this crap! How dare Peter Moore comment on something he knows nothing about!
MGS 4 is the best looking thing ever! It eclipsed Killzone 24.8, and Devil May Cry 17 will eclipse that!
I hate Peter and J and Robbie, they are wastes of skin. They need to follow in the footsteps of Gabe Newell and Kenny K, and my personal pal who cant make up his mind, Hideo Kojima :lol:
back to reality...
Never thought of it that way, but Peter has a point.
I look forward to January'February when Kenny K announces to the world the ps3 has been drastically delayed, and wont hit US soil till Fall 2006, at the earliest. It shall happen, mark my fanboy words.
And if they do rush it out, it will hold the record for most malfunctioning sony product ever. And thats saying a lot :ph34r:
MGS 4 is the best looking thing ever! It eclipsed Killzone 24.8, and Devil May Cry 17 will eclipse that!
I hate Peter and J and Robbie, they are wastes of skin. They need to follow in the footsteps of Gabe Newell and Kenny K, and my personal pal who cant make up his mind, Hideo Kojima :lol:
back to reality...
Never thought of it that way, but Peter has a point.
I look forward to January'February when Kenny K announces to the world the ps3 has been drastically delayed, and wont hit US soil till Fall 2006, at the earliest. It shall happen, mark my fanboy words.
And if they do rush it out, it will hold the record for most malfunctioning sony product ever. And thats saying a lot :ph34r:
:rotfl:
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
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The fact that they feel the need to have Snake tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Moore concluded.
Peter Moore, you want to know why they used Snake? Because it will appeal to Playstation fans you fucking dipshit. Moore just used the same silly and idiotic logic that Grill Master Ken uses (that x fanboys poke at) yet the xbox fanboys will rejoice over it when Moore does it. Hypocrites
Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:05 PM)
Peter Moore, you want to know why they used Snake? Because it will appeal to Playstation fans you fucking dipshit. Moore just used the same silly and idiotic logic that Grill Master Ken uses yet the xbox fanboys will rejoice over it. Hypocrites :rolleyes:
how so when sony does nothing but preach about how they think the 360 is weak, no one at MS right-out ever said the ps3 was weak. they are mearly showing dents in their armor and confidense. i am no fanboy and like MS i can give credit where its due (MGS4 looks great but nothing the 360 cant do) where as sony just shows ignorance and over confidense on their hold of the industry because people will believe anything they puke up.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:11 PM)
how so when sony does nothing but preach about how they think the 360 is weak, no one at MS right-out ever said the ps3 was weak. they are mearly showing dents in their armor and confidense. i am no fanboy and like MS i can give credit where its due (MGS4 looks great but nothing the 360 cant do) where as sony just shows ignorance and over confidense on their hold of the industry because people will believe anything they puke up.
So I take it that you don't understand the difference between the two cultures of the two companies?
Post by: brooksie48 on September 19, 2005, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: miggidy on September 19, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
Remember, Sony publically showed signs of concern when M$ started pointing to a Fall 05 release of the Xbox 360.
There's nothing Sony can do to stop M$ from releasing the X360 this year, the best they can do is to try to sway as many gamers as they can from the Xbox 360.
And showing a bunch of high quality trailers is their best way of doing this, even if the trailers aren't honest.
It worked against the Dreamcast, so Sony thinks it will work against the X360.
Makes total sense to me....
Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:16 PM)
So I take it that you don't understand the difference between the two cultures of the two companies?
i understand the difference but sony being a japanese company has little to do with there culture (isnt the new head CEO from europe??) i just respect the way that they do business in the game industry. and like it was said before, the japanese are nothing like the attitude that sony has taken towards the 360. i see the japanese as mostly respectful, intellegent, and very disciplined culture. that is not sony.
like i said from the start MS has done a more professional method of refering to sony then how sony has attacked MS. i would think there are reasons for sony going on the offensive like they have, if such confidense behind there product was really there, then there would be no need to lash out to a welcome competitor.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
Moore says the following.
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"The fact that they feel the need to have Snake tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Moore concluded.
Now to finish the picture for the blind fanboys. If Ken was to say the following, "The fact that they feel the need to have MTV (and Elijah Wood) tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Ken concluded., you hypocritical bastards would come up with all sorts of things to say about him.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:59 PM)
Ok let me paint the picture clear since none of you can see it.
Moore says the following.
Now to finish the picture for the blind fanboys. If Ken was to say the following, "The fact that they feel the need to have MTV (and Elijah Wood) tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Ken concluded., you hypocritical bastards would come up with all sorts of things to say about him. :rolleyes:
Moore says the following.
Now to finish the picture for the blind fanboys. If Ken was to say the following, "The fact that they feel the need to have MTV (and Elijah Wood) tell you that it's powerful, that could be seen as a sign of worry, or weakness, potentially," Ken concluded., you hypocritical bastards would come up with all sorts of things to say about him. :rolleyes:
now now there is no need for name calling :D
your assuming things you cant because Kenny K hasnt taken even a light approach to attacking the 360, he has taken very direct, immiture, and improffesional comments towards the 360. anyone with a brain, including you for the most part, can see why MS chose to debut the 360 on MTV to reach the masses that wouldnt be considered hardcore gamers. why do you think that most of us hardcore gamers were dissapointed with the show and lack of actaul details of the system. MS has taken a very smart approach to both sides of the fence (IMO) they had the ourcolony for the hardcore and MTV for the less informed public.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:57 PM)
i understand the difference but sony being a japanese company has little to do with there culture (isnt the new head CEO from europe??) i just respect the way that they do business in the game industry. and like it was said before, the japanese are nothing like the attitude that sony has taken towards the 360. i see the japanese as mostly respectful, intellegent, and very disciplined culture. that is not sony.
like i said from the start MS has done a more professional method of refering to sony then how sony has attacked MS. i would think there are reasons for sony going on the offensive like they have, if such confidense behind there product was really there, then there would be no need to lash out to a welcome competitor.
like i said from the start MS has done a more professional method of refering to sony then how sony has attacked MS. i would think there are reasons for sony going on the offensive like they have, if such confidense behind there product was really there, then there would be no need to lash out to a welcome competitor.
If the Japanese culture is nothing like $ony, why do they buy it? Since they are intelligent, they should see the childish ways of $ony, should they not?
Since $ony has always acted like this and it is nothing new, why have they dominated the Japanese market?
When a company is ran by an American market, it is an American company and therefore acts like and American Company. When a company is ran by a Japanese market, it is a Japanese company and therefore acts like a Japanese company. Now, I ask you how them being a Japanese company has nothing to do with their culture? I also should note that Japanese companies are very competitive. Hence, the way $ony acts.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 19, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Sep 19 2005, 02:13 PM)
If the Japanese culture is nothing like $ony, why do they buy it? Since they are intelligent, they should see the childish ways of $ony, should they not?
Since $ony has always acted like this and it is nothing new, why have they dominated the Japanese market?
When a company is ran by an American market, it is an American company and therefore acts like and American Company. When a company is ran by a Japanese market, it is a Japanese company and therefore acts like a Japanese company. Now, I ask you how them being a Japanese company has nothing to do with their culture? I also should note that Japanese companies are very competitive. Hence, the way $ony acts.
Since $ony has always acted like this and it is nothing new, why have they dominated the Japanese market?
When a company is ran by an American market, it is an American company and therefore acts like and American Company. When a company is ran by a Japanese market, it is a Japanese company and therefore acts like a Japanese company. Now, I ask you how them being a Japanese company has nothing to do with their culture? I also should note that Japanese companies are very competitive. Hence, the way $ony acts.
yes its a japanese company but like i said wasnt a european just appointed the head CEO?? and i believe that japanese buy their products because of the loyalty that japanese have. its not a bad thing but like any other culture it could carry some nagative effects. i never said that them being a japanese company has nothing to do with there culture, i just pointed out the differences between the japanese culture and the way sony conducts their business.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360)
your assuming things you cant because Kenny K hasnt taken even a light approach to attacking the 360, he has taken very direct, immiture, and improffesional comments towards the 360
Here are some threads, two of which you started to trash Ken when he says something
Thread 1 Started by you over the price and how Ken said it
http://forums.xbox-s...opic=424434&hl=
Thread 2 Started by you over him saying the same shit Robbie Bach said
http://forums.xbox-s...opic=403936&hl=
And I quote from this article
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Asahi Shinbun: What do you think of the competitors' machines? Will Sony continue to dominate the gaming market?
Robbie Bach: ................blah................blah.......................Sony's [PS3] will be able to use seven controllers simultaneously and connect with two high-definition TV sets. But it's hard to share a single screen with seven people, and it's also difficult to imagine a room with two high-definition TV sets. We don't know about the selling price yet, but to say the least, our cost of manufacturing [an Xbox 360] is less than Sony's [PS3].
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Asahi Shinburn: What do you think of the competitors' machines? Will Sony continue to dominate the gaming market?
Ken Kutaragi: MS is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology. Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and MS is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release.
Robbie Bach: ................blah................blah.......................Sony's [PS3] will be able to use seven controllers simultaneously and connect with two high-definition TV sets. But it's hard to share a single screen with seven people, and it's also difficult to imagine a room with two high-definition TV sets. We don't know about the selling price yet, but to say the least, our cost of manufacturing [an Xbox 360] is less than Sony's [PS3].
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Asahi Shinburn: What do you think of the competitors' machines? Will Sony continue to dominate the gaming market?
Ken Kutaragi: MS is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology. Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and MS is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release.
It seems to me, both made immature unprofessional remarks.......................if you are going to consider what Ken said as those things.
Post by: Andy51 on September 19, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 19 2005, 06:52 PM)
You're nothing but a fanboy for posting this crap! How dare Peter Moore comment on something he knows nothing about!
MGS 4 is the best looking thing ever! It eclipsed Killzone 24.8, and Devil May Cry 17 will eclipse that!
I hate Peter and J and Robbie, they are wastes of skin. They need to follow in the footsteps of Gabe Newell and Kenny K, and my personal pal who cant make up his mind, Hideo Kojima :lol:
back to reality...
Never thought of it that way, but Peter has a point.
I look forward to January'February when Kenny K announces to the world the ps3 has been drastically delayed, and wont hit US soil till Fall 2006, at the earliest. It shall happen, mark my fanboy words.
And if they do rush it out, it will hold the record for most malfunctioning sony product ever. And thats saying a lot :ph34r:
MGS 4 is the best looking thing ever! It eclipsed Killzone 24.8, and Devil May Cry 17 will eclipse that!
I hate Peter and J and Robbie, they are wastes of skin. They need to follow in the footsteps of Gabe Newell and Kenny K, and my personal pal who cant make up his mind, Hideo Kojima :lol:
back to reality...
Never thought of it that way, but Peter has a point.
I look forward to January'February when Kenny K announces to the world the ps3 has been drastically delayed, and wont hit US soil till Fall 2006, at the earliest. It shall happen, mark my fanboy words.
And if they do rush it out, it will hold the record for most malfunctioning sony product ever. And thats saying a lot :ph34r:
Ew a Playstation 3 forum I MUST LEAVE!!!
And MGS 4 and every friggin' game for Ps3 are pre-rendered right now
Don't bother flaming
Post by: MadPerry on September 19, 2005, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on September 19, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 19, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
Anyone who's ever played an MGS game knows that they like to break the 4th wall and add in funny references to things in the real world. The Cell reference was on par with any MGS trailer or game demo. I wouldn't be surprised to find stuff like that in the actual game once it comes out.
The line at the end "It will be worth the wait" is what I think Moore was referring to as a sign of weakness. I think the only thing Sony fears from MS right now is the fact that they're launching first, which wouldn't be so bad if they were lining themselves up for a strong launch as well (typically the first console to launch in a particular generation has a weak launch).
The cell reference was on par for MGS and the "worth the wait" comment simply shows that Sony is somewhat worried about launching 2nd.
Moore was simply pointing that out, though the fact that he felt he NEEDED to point it out might also be a sign of weakness. Worried that people might take the comment to heart and turning it from "yeah it WILL be worth the wait" to "he's right that WAS a sign of weakness". Both companies have their necks out and are equally worried about the other.
As for the comment deftones compared earlier claiming they are both childish. One contained 2 facts followed by a rational confusion as to the other company's "vision". The other company compared themselves to a wise instructor and the competitor as a student who things they know better.
In that case MS said "I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish" to which I can fully agree because I thought the very same thing when I first read the PS3 specs. "Who has 2 HDTVs?" and "Aside from SOME sports games who needs 7 controllers?" How was either of those useful, I would rather a lower price point then those two frivolous features. For all intents and purposes KK called MS a "n00b" with his comment. hardly comparable comments.
My only problem with MGS4 was that they decided to make Snake an old man with a porno mustache. Will not getting caught while hacking up a lung be part of the game? ...and If you do get caught can you use your colostomy bag as a weapon?
Post by: deftonesmx17 on September 19, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
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Ummmm, people do realise that all the "CELL processor", and "Console war" stuff was Kojima joking right?
Surley people cant be that slow.
Surley people cant be that slow.
some people just dont understand Kojima
Post by: incognegro on September 20, 2005, 06:02:00 AM
) but the whole going into "its the key to winning the console war" and the whole killzone and ducks thing they showed after was a little distasteful IMO but whatever.......not enough to entice me to buy a ps3..........rev and 360 for me for now! 
Post by: miggidy on September 20, 2005, 12:21:00 PM
QUOTE(psychoace @ Sep 20 2005, 12:58 AM)
Wait it's TGS and Sony can't release a trailer without being lashed against? It's part of the usual cycle of promotion you create hype early (just like xbox 360 did although there's was more subtle) and then you will have a better launch. What did you expect them to do? Just not release any information until when it's released? Then you would nag them saying they are trying to keep everything secret and hush hush because they have something to hide. They are putting there balls on the table and all you do is blow hot air in there general direction. Your all xbox fan girls I will get my xbox 360 but I can agree that is a fucking badass video clip and shows the true sign who has the best system power wise.
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: lex luther on September 21, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
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Post by: lex luther on September 21, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Sep 19 2005, 01:49 PM)
Moore has a point here, and all these "trailers" Sony has been releasing sure makes it seem as a sign of worry on Sony's behalf.
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: lex luther on September 22, 2005, 05:03:00 PM
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Post by: lex luther on September 22, 2005, 05:03:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Sep 22 2005, 02:38 PM)
Same here bro, I don't have time for all three consoles anyways.
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: incognegro on September 22, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
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You said it was out of context and he was talking about the rev too.........u got a link?
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: lex luther on September 23, 2005, 03:18:00 AM
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Post by: incognegro on September 22, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
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Same here bro, I don't have time for all three consoles anyways.
So the Xbox 360 is my first choice and the Revolution is my second choice.
MGS4, God of War 2, and FFXIII are not good enough to sway me over to the PS3.
So far, it looks like a console geared for sequels....
So the Xbox 360 is my first choice and the Revolution is my second choice.
MGS4, God of War 2, and FFXIII are not good enough to sway me over to the PS3.
So far, it looks like a console geared for sequels....
You said it was out of context and he was talking about the rev too.........u got a link?
Post by: lex luther on September 23, 2005, 03:18:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 19 2005, 11:05 PM)
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the MGS4 trailer or the "plug" for the Cell..
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: hugoboss1 on September 23, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: lex luther on September 23, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 23, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: lex luther on September 23, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
QUOTE(hugoboss1 @ Sep 23 2005, 03:01 PM)
instead of eating snakes this time around he will probably end up in a home eating some pudding....with the old timers
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: lex luther on September 24, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
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Post by: lex luther on September 24, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
QUOTE(hugoboss1 @ Sep 23 2005, 03:01 PM)
instead of eating snakes this time around he will probably end up in a home eating some pudding....with the old timers
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: mgamer20o0 on September 26, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
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i think mgs4 will end up with snake having a heat attack or something.
i think all this back and forth between the two systems is pointless. i hate sony, but they are doing a good job once again. they are shifting attention away from the up coming console. if i was sony i would be doing the same things. sony doesnt care about us games that want to know about the real facts. they are after the people who dont know any better. thye are going to see the pics and think its in game. sony is doing such a great job right now. i give them a A+ in marketing so far. i think once 360 is out and people are playing the games its going to be really hard for them to keep up. right now for most people all they know is the pics and vids they see.
sonys goal: to get people to think it will be worth the year wait for ps3.
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Title: Moore's Words Of Wisdom About Mgs4
Post by: davsin50 on September 28, 2005, 03:05:00 AM
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Post by: mgamer20o0 on September 26, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
i think all this back and forth between the two systems is pointless. i hate sony, but they are doing a good job once again. they are shifting attention away from the up coming console. if i was sony i would be doing the same things. sony doesnt care about us games that want to know about the real facts. they are after the people who dont know any better. thye are going to see the pics and think its in game. sony is doing such a great job right now. i give them a A+ in marketing so far. i think once 360 is out and people are playing the games its going to be really hard for them to keep up. right now for most people all they know is the pics and vids they see.
sonys goal: to get people to think it will be worth the year wait for ps3.
Post by: davsin50 on September 28, 2005, 03:05:00 AM
QUOTE(lex luther @ Sep 23 2005, 11:29 AM)
Yes and snake being 50 years old i hate that!! Snake never aged as for as i could see between 2 and 3 so why make him age in 4? It's depressing lol how can a man that sick and old do what he did in that trailer? I guess since this is the last Metal gear for those who don't know can read here http://news.gamingho...13540.2331.html or use google to search. I guess he is just going to phuck it all up!!