Post by: Maddogthesahr on February 17, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
I'm kind of a noob in this entire hack'n crack world, so here comes a weird but innteresting question, don't know if any one else have asked this.
I think it would be cool to run the xbox operating system on a pc.
I know that it would take a lot of work generating/creating some drivers that would fit the xbox OS, but wouldn't it be cool. I don't know if you can use some dll's from a windows OS.
I just think of it like this:
1) My computer starts the vga bios and does a memory check
2) it starts looking on my harddrive for a operating system and swing there is the xbox OS
3) My computer then boots the xbox OS, and then i'm in the xbox OS.
Maybe i'm a little weird for asking this, but i'd like a fx5950 ultra on my xbox.
If something like this already exists i would like to know about it.
PS. i'm not looking for a windows emulator
Thanks all
Post by: cooljerk_dv on February 17, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
1. The xbox OS will NEVER been run on a pc, it is designed only for the xbox hardware. Besides why would you want to, windows or linux are much more functional.
2. There is no possible way to get your fancy Nvidia 5950ultra to work in the xbox. First its not physically possible with the hardware.. no room or agp slot. And if that were somehow possible (it isn't), none of the games/software are written for it, thus they wouln't work.
I suggest leaching around these forums, reading old posts, and learning something for yourself. These are pretty stupid questions!
Peace
This post has been edited by cooljerk_dv on Feb 17 2004, 11:45 PM
Post by: simbot82 on February 17, 2004, 03:28:00 PM
Maddog interesting questions dude, just not feasible. Jerk just aint very good at getting his message across in a polite manner. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of forums being to ask questions. Sure the search button is jsut above but I doubt whether this question has been asked before and even if it has, try replying with something other than insult and innuendo cooljerk.
Peace
Post by: EgoX on February 17, 2004, 06:59:00 PM
If only it was possible to run Xbox Os on PC it would be great because the DirectX implimentation is much leaner, faster, the thing that Jerk fails to realise is that sometimes less functionality is better
So yeah naive but interesting question.
This post has been edited by EgoX on Feb 18 2004, 03:00 AM
Post by: Maddogthesahr on February 18, 2004, 12:42:00 AM
But as Egox was saying less features to run, more stabil OS.
I Just don't think any windows where ment for gaming.
If i was MS then i would make, for an exampel, a directx OS whit no DHCP services running in the background or something else.
And yes i know that you can disable services etc. etc. but to make a dedicated gaming OS would be great.
And thats why i thought that the xbox OS (which has "standard" pc hardware inside) could be an option.
Thus i think that it on some level would be possible to make some drivers for it.
Now i rest my case, thx guys.
Post by: ZASADAR on February 18, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
simple setup for simple gamers with little time or patience for windows to me windows needs to much maintenance
i think my util os and my game os would be best seperated for both convenience and performance
it might be possible if some one knew how to convert windows drivers
This post has been edited by ZASADAR on Feb 18 2004, 09:48 AM
Post by: Maddogthesahr on February 18, 2004, 01:49:00 AM
Does anybody know if the source code to xbox OS has been cracked?
Post by: derf on February 18, 2004, 06:38:00 AM
Derf
Post by: XBLamer on February 18, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: betaluva on February 18, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: fragmaster170 on February 18, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
drop it now, this thread makes baby jeesus want to cry.
Post by: Maddogthesahr on February 19, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
I'm going to take this up in my next semester on my technical college, there is a lot of brains there.
I will let you know IF anything comes out of it.
And if this seems to illegal for those brains, then i am going to purpose an emulator OS, and a xbox emu that works ;-)
And please if anybody has an idea to some of these "insane" thoughts, then please let me now.
And if anybody has other crazy thoughts like these then i would be glad to hear them too.
thx all (please have faith in my ideas ;-)
:beer:
Post by: fragmaster170 on February 19, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: betaluva on February 20, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: vladivar on February 20, 2004, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: douwd on February 21, 2004, 03:53:00 AM
But it would take a shitload, shitload, shitload of time..
aint gonna happen imo.
Post by: C4TRMNTOR on February 25, 2004, 04:10:00 AM
Post by: LESTAT on February 25, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (Maddogthesahr @ Feb 18 2004, 02:42 AM) |
| Thanks for backing me up on the noob side guys. But as Egox was saying less features to run, more stabil OS. I Just don't think any windows where ment for gaming. If i was MS then i would make, for an exampel, a directx OS whit no DHCP services running in the background or something else. And yes i know that you can disable services etc. etc. but to make a dedicated gaming OS would be great. And thats why i thought that the xbox OS (which has "standard" pc hardware inside) could be an option. Thus i think that it on some level would be possible to make some drivers for it. Now i rest my case, thx guys. |
*hint* *hint*
learn how to install and use XP Embedded and you can have th OS of your dreams,
the OS creation tool for Embedded allows you to install ONLY the services and options you want..
so yes it CAN make a DirectX/OpenGL only Windows XP with NO networking no Internet Explorer,, no nothing just a gui and all your hard ware drivers.
now imagine how games and benchmarks would run under those situations.
although i wouldnt recomend removing the networking,, keep it,, youll regret it if you dont have any netowrking capabilities.
think of installing linux as the way Embedded installs. its not the same but you can pick and choose every single tiny little feature you want installed.
Post by: JusKickNit on February 26, 2004, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Ebay.God on March 08, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (c_poussard @ Feb 26 2004, 01:54 AM) |
| if u want your xbox to look like your PC, then rip the guts out of the xbox...buy a PC case and put it in there!!! then get a xga box and let it convert RGB/component/composite to your PC monitor TA DA!! thats all i have to say peace out |
You didnt read anything in this whole thread did you.
Post by: blackbishop on March 08, 2004, 06:13:00 AM
But not a bad idea either.
The hard ware requirements would be minimal but if you are going to emulate the system I for see it runing nativlay on a 64 bit processor.
Post by: shortstuff22090 on March 10, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: blackbishop on March 10, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
You can take something like Boch's for the cpu code and up it to the 733 mhz speed and and take the virtural dirve code too. But the hard thing would be to emulate the Video and sound.
It wont be impossiable to do just hard to do.
If I had more hardware level coding experiance I would try this.
Post by: EgoX on March 23, 2004, 04:14:00 AM
Post by: cooljerk_dv on March 23, 2004, 10:56:00 AM
Again very sorry for the rude/ignorant post a while back, I didn't realize it sounded so bad. I'm really not a bad person.
Post by: Xbox-Savage on March 23, 2004, 11:46:00 AM
havent you guys learned anything? nothing is impossible. if is human made is not impossible , you can run XBox OS on your PC , you can run XBox Games on your PC , you can hack MS and steal bill gates credit card and buy yourself a Ferrari , you can have sex with the olsen Twins , you just have to put your mind into it and beat the system. 
Post by: Videogamebuyer14 on March 23, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
And download this skin, here..
That's probably the closest you're ever going to get.
Post by: betaluva on March 24, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: Dephyre on March 28, 2004, 05:41:00 AM
p.s.
Someone PLEASE bump this thread.
Post by: LESTAT on March 28, 2004, 06:20:00 AM
audio video and such, need to be emulated.
not to mention the xboxdash files ,,, well hell
the only way right now or in the near future unless your a friggin programming GOD, to make ANYTHING xbox run on your pc would be to use the Xbox XDK, which is not legal to have or own unless you got it thru legal means or are an xbox programmer,
im not saying it cant be done but with all the xbox coding guys here, your a noob and you want to try this, which is a cool thing, but your way in over your head my friend, and it sounds like you have little to no coding knowledge.
all xbox files are pripriatary code, you would have to do some serious emulating, cuz there isnt a way to run xbox code on a PC, unless ran thru the XDK.
that xbox dashboard skin for XP is sweet! i signed up for an account at Wincustomize. but of course the stupid confirmation email seems like its gunna take forever so i cant download the skin,, i wanna try it out, looks awesome.
Post by: GameDTX on March 28, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
Your a retard,
Why would you want the XBOX os on ur pc,
There is ZERO use for it,
Are you on drugs?
Post by: LESTAT on March 28, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
oh and that xbox desktop sucks,, it looks nice thats about it. oh well.
desktop x never was one of my favorite programs.
Post by: grug on March 29, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
Windows would be faster as an OS if it didn't have "DHCP services in the background"? Hahah. Much like the Xbox which also doesn't have DHCP...oh wait...
The Xbox operating system is designed around similar NT-based kernels found in Windows 2000 and Windows XP. The stability of the Xbox comes from the fact that its only available in one configuration and one configuration only. The performance comes from the fact that games are designed specficially for that configuration. You can take shortcuts and specific optimization processes when you know that theres a 700mhz CPU in there, when you know exactly how many registers are in the CPU, how much cache it has, how many pipelines your graphics card is...the fact that there are no external drivers because the OS knows it will only be talking to an specific Nvidia core.
Would it be possible in some kind of virtual machine or emulator to load Xbox apps? Sure. Could you run it natively on your PC with a standard BIOS? No, never. No way. Could you possibly do this without access to MS source code that you will never, ever get? No. Could you possibly do this via reverse engineering? No. Never.
Your suggestions of simply "writing drivers" or "including DLLs from Windows" made me laugh though. Almost everything in the Xbox OS is hard coded for the specific hardware that can be found in an Xbox. It doesn't load drivers, they're all embedded.
The odds of getting Windows XP running on your Xbox are much more likely than getting the Xbox OS running on your PC. And your odds of getting Windows XP running are slim, but are at least better. But don't hold your breath.
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on March 29, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
It may be possible to reverse engineer it but that would be insanely hard....
the Xbox DASHBOARD WILL PROBALLY NEVER RUN ON A REGULAR PC... the Xbox dashboard is for the (ta da) XBOX....
Post by: betaluva on April 01, 2004, 01:20:00 AM
Post by: betaluva on April 01, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
(Custom designed by MS)
- DirectX 8.0a (Drivers)
- Part 1 of the OS is on the hard disk < 1 MB
- Part 2 of the OS can be DVD disc < 500 K
- (Part 1 includes the core OS, DirectX, DVD playback, some drivers and 3D user interface)
- (Part 2 includes things like libraries, other drivers and other features needed by the developer)
- OS takes less then 3 MB in RAM
- The OS has a 3D user interface when no games are inserted to play music CDs, run DVD movies etc.
- The games run in ring 0, known as kernel mode which is the fastest mode possible.
Post by: oswald on April 02, 2004, 05:18:00 AM
After mulling it over for a bit, I've decided this topic would be better suited in the PC forum as this forum is for running Windows on the Xbox, not the other way around. The PC forum is all about your PC, and this topic is about running the 'Xbox OS' on the PC. I'm not debating the merits of the idea, I just think if we're talking about running something on the PC, it should be in the PC forum; The Windows on Xbox forum is just for, you guessed it, running Windows on the Xbox.
Topic Moved.
Post by: thehittmann on April 08, 2004, 08:14:00 AM
I guess you would have to relocate your power, eject, and controller ports as well...... It should be able to be done. I wouldnt mind seeing pictures of one, lol
Post by: geniusalz on April 08, 2004, 10:45:00 AM
As for xbox OS on pc, I think there's too much custom hardware (MCPX included) for it to work.
Post by: XeroKitsune on April 08, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
As has been stated before in the thread, it's because of the nature of the hardware and the way video game programers make thier games. If everything was simply using only the DirectX9 then it would be a step easier, but I would wager some of the better titles have written shortcuts to optimise the games to run quicker, at a better frame rate or with sound effects that they wanted to run smoother or sync better. So to make a XBox OS you would need to use the same hardware architectue or have a emuation layer that sits between the hardware and the XBox software to interpert the commands correcty for the PC's hardware. If you simply change the Dynamic Link Library for a PC's hardware to look the same as interface wise XBoxes software some of the more intresting codeing that the MS never designed it to run.
The problem with emulation is it requires a much faster processer to run than the orginal since it running the XBox software and the Simulation of the XBox hardware. Now if you add the overhead of a regular operating systems that bogges the process down further, but as processer continue to increase in speed and power it increases the likelyhood of a good emulation.
I am not trying to discurage anyone, but I doubt a fullyfunctional emulator will be out for a while. Also unlike the other hombrew software MS may take a intrest in persewing legal action if it's still marketing the orginal XBox system. (Sony vs Bleem! comes to mind- they won but could not afford the repeated lawsuits-)
Post by: XLNC on April 10, 2004, 03:40:00 AM
Btw what's DirectX 9 embedded, is this another OS or are u referring to Windows XP embedded. I know windows XP embedded is used in PC consoles which play PC games and connect to your TV and this seems to be the closest thing.
Post by: LESTAT on April 10, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
to answer you question about using some sort of an os that rus minimal appslications in the background.
well i have just the thing your looking for.
ok for those who ever used windows 95, like the OLD 95, it ran from a program called Program Manager, and thru time and with the advent of later rev's of 95 and then 98 people forgot all about program manager.
well boys and girls its still in windows XP
what it is is basically a window, within that window you can add links to your programs,
basically what it is is a replacement for windows Explorer the shell of windows.
to try it all you have to do is go to start --> run --> and type progman
it will open with an empty window, then you go to file and new and start adding personal and common applications and shortcuts.
ok once you get it set with a few shortcuts or all the way the way you want hit ctrl-alt-del and end task on Explorer.
you will now see your wallpaper and all your icons and the taskbar and everything in it disappear and all your left with is Program Manager.
from there you launch everything.
the only bad thing is if you hit like WinKey-E which would normally bring up the Windows Explorer, the one that shows all the drives and files in it. (the window you see if you right click one of your hard drives or cdrom's and click browse) if you hit that kjey the Explorer starts up all over again, and your back to the resource using Explorer shell.
now a work around is, and i havent tested this but it should work.
is to go into Folder Options, and then go to View, and click the box for Launch folder windows in seperate process. that might make explorer not start back up but i doubt it, you would have to find another program to replace the way you explore and browse your hard drives, and there are plenty of those around.
once you have got program manager all set up simply click the link(s) for your games and stuff and thus the game will start with alot more resources free for the game.
on a side nore using program manager instead of Explorer does NOT cause your things like norton, or zonealarm or anything else to STOP working, they are still running and they will still start up when windows starts, you just no longer have them in the taskbar.
also alternately, and i dont recomend this until you are comfortable with Program manger,
you can tell windows to boot up directly to program manager just like the old windows 95 used to. so that way you no longer have to end task on explorer
windows will simply boot to the program manager screen and NOT explorer.
its a different way to run windows xp or even win2k,, but i used to do it, and its actually pretty damn nice. and works flawlessly.
Post by: trusk on April 15, 2004, 01:56:00 AM
the main reason to keep windows on your pc are the games...
I do not have any clue of coding, but a 2nd linux partition to run windows-based pc games would be great. but I guess it is not possible right now, because windows still has to be emulated in a minimum way to have direct x running and this would reduce performance drastically.
greez trusk
Post by: Ethana2 on April 14, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
If they expected us to want this, then they might pull an intel-mac and check EDID, in which case we'd need to be able to flash our EDID on a nearly daily basis to decieve each mean company's product to run on our machine. As for the hardware, let's start with the processor. It's a regular i686 type CPU. As long as you have one as good or better, there should be no problems there. The GPU. DirectX is an API, Application Programming Interface, and I do believe there is a standard DirectX back end. Any fully compatible GPU should work just fine. With these exeption: PCIe, SATA XBOX kernel cannot support PCIe. It would have to either be or fake regular PCI. As for the drives.... I don't know if the kernel has to worry about the entire SATA/ATA thing, but if you stay ATA, you should be fine.
We need to test a few things to determine how hard it would be to get want we want here: powerful hardware running all XBOX software, no crap. To check EDID checks, copy an XBOX HDD, replace it, and does it still work? If so, EDID probably won't be too much of an issue. Next, move the HDD to another PC. Can it find an OS to boot? If not, the OS is embedded in the BIOS part of the mainboard, in which case life gets hard. One would then have to extract the code onto a primary partition of a HDD, and I don't know what you'd use to do that, but yeah... as for registers and CPU optimisation: If you do this on an x86-64 Athlon overclocked to whatever, It won't be able to use all of the greatness of the CPU, but there's no way it'll want any register addresses that aren't there (OEM hardware companies don't like redesigning and altering components for certain commercial applications) It's not like that CPU is mutant and has an extra register or anthing. MS didn't do any huge PC architectural changes until they got to the 360. The XBOX is actually quite normal in just about every way. So, if someone here would please void their warranty for the team, and find out exactly how easy this will be, and maybe even create an XBOX OS installer and such.... I want it, and people WOULD pay money for it.... As long as you don't advertize it online, M$ probably wouldn't come after you: they aren't depending on the first XBOX for money anymore.
If you don't grasp the reason for wanting to do this, please just leave us alone. And if you didn't go through the entire thread like I did, or don't know exactly what you're talking about, please refrain from posting or use a dsiclaimer, and leave us to our tech-nerd rebellious endeavors. Feel free to email me on the topic, especially with the results of my testing plan. To help explain my post, my dad is an anti-gamer. A console in this house wouldn't fly, and I also discriminate agains consoles, and I'm a tech nerd who wants a four-OS system. (XP, FC Linux, MS DOS*, XBOX OS) I know it can be done without finding sourse or reverse engineering anything. And perhaps, PCIe is backwards compatible; I think I recall something like that, but maybe not.
*Don't ask.
Eman out. I enabled receiveing email from you guys when I registered. Please contact me with any new developments.
Post by: deadparrot on April 14, 2006, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: Wolves on April 14, 2006, 10:44:00 PM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Apr 14 2006, 11:31 PM) 
This thread has been dead for 2 years. Leave it be.
LOL!
Post by: BeldansFire on October 26, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Reverse engineering any one?The Fire of Beldan shall consume you.
Good day