Post by: Granulated on November 21, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
The earliest I'll be selling my satty is next summer. The latest is that following summer. Either way, that's about 18 months at the most. I've got a standing offer of $5,500 cash right now...but we'll see what happens.
Here is the list. Feel free to comment, offer your suggestions, etc.
All cars MUST be 5 or 6 speed manual, and have <70,000 miles.
My primitive price ceiling is $12,500
Audi TT
Year: 2000-2002
BMW 3 series
Year: 1997-2002
Engine: 2.5 V6 or larger
BMW 5 series
Year: 1997-2002
Engine: 2.8 V6 or larger
BMW M3
Year: 1997-1998
4 door sedan
Chevrolet Camaro
Year: 1997-2002
Trim: Must be SS or Z28
Dodge Stratus R/T
Year: 2002-2005
Ford Mustang
Year: 1997+
Must be GT or SVT trim
Mitsubishi 3000gt
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Year: 1997-1999
Trim: GSX
or 2000+ GT
Nissan 300zx
Saturn ION Redline
Only car on this list i'm really not sure about.
Saturn Sky
Suburu Impreza
Must be AWD (WRX or RS AWD)
Year: 2000+
Toyota Supra
Year: 1993-1996
Volkswagen Jetta
Year: 2000-2004
Engine: 1.8t or VR6
That's it. I'm sure I forgot something. I'll add it in if I remember.
This post has been edited by Granulated: Nov 22 2005, 05:44 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on November 21, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: Granulated on November 22, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Nov 22 2005, 01:33 AM)
Camaros the best bang for your buck IMO. Im also a HUGE fan of the M3. If youre looking at the Sky why not a newer Miata/MX-5? And Id steer clear of any Mitsu product like the plague.
Not a huge fan of the Miata. Granted, I've seen turbos and engine swaps, but it feels pretty underpowered. Sounds like the Sky is gonna have some bang for the buck, but I doubt I'll find one in my price range in a year or two.
A 2000 or 2002 Camaro SS is probably gonna be one of the fastest cars on the list. However, a heavy RWD V8 isn't as practical as some of the other ones, too...
Edit:
I absolutely LOVE the BMW's....test drove a 5 series and fell in love.
This post has been edited by Granulated: Nov 22 2005, 08:23 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 24, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: Granulated on November 24, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
I'm talking gas mileage, and winter driving. V8 and RWD are both not what you want in either situation.
Post by: jesterrace777 on November 24, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Granulated @ Nov 24 2005, 10:31 PM)
No, sir. I love the handling.
I'm talking gas mileage, and winter driving. V8 and RWD are both not what you want in either situation.
I'm talking gas mileage, and winter driving. V8 and RWD are both not what you want in either situation.
If you get the 6 speed manual you can get pretty decent gas mileage with the V8. Check out http://www.fueleconomy.gov Also, would your driving be mostly highway, city or both? If the BMW isn't all wheel drive or FWD then it isn't gonna make much difference in the snow and the Camaro is a HELL OF ALOT CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN!!!!!!!!! BMWs are pretty solid cars as a whole but when they do need parts they are damn expensive.
This post has been edited by jesterrace777: Nov 25 2005, 04:28 AM
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on November 27, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
I have a 3000GT and a 5-Series, both have never given me any trouble and are fun cars. I have heard plenty bad about later mitsu engines so id stick with a frist gen 3000GT if you do get one.
Post by: TwinBoosted on December 13, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Nov 27 2005, 02:24 PM)
I would go with the M3.... but good luck finding a decent one for under 30K. So i think thats outta the question. Along with the Supra (most likley), 5Series, and Audi TT. Probably some others too. Look around at car prices, you dont seem to understand how much most of those will actually cost you.
I have a 3000GT and a 5-Series, both have never given me any trouble and are fun cars. I have heard plenty bad about later mitsu engines so id stick with a frist gen 3000GT if you do get one.
Yeh I would agree with most of what has been said. I own a couple DOdge Stealths and 3000gt's and they are great cars, but can get expensive to mantain if you don't do your own work. As for the first gens being the better of the two motors, that's wrong. The second gens were better motors, well the 4 bolt motor became standard in '93. Anyways, goodluck finding any of those BMW's or an MKIV Supra for your price. Also, both are pretty expensive to maintain as well. I'm not a huge fan of v8's, but I can respect them for their cost effectiveness, and parts availability. As for how they handle in the snow, well, get some good snow tires and take it easy. You'd be surprised how well that combo goes in the snow. OR, you could buy a cheaper car, and a winter beater. Just some info for you.
Post by: mbood82 on December 14, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
Beyond that... is cost of maintenance an issue for you?
Post by: Granulated on December 31, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Nov 27 2005, 11:24 AM) 
I would go with the M3.... but good luck finding a decent one for under 30K. So i think thats outta the question. Along with the Supra (most likley), 5Series, and Audi TT. Probably some others too. Look around at car prices, you dont seem to understand how much most of those will actually cost you.
If you notice the years of the cars I was interested in, the supras and 5 series will be very easy to find in my range. Maybe finding one in good shape might be difficult, but hey, the fun is in the chase, right?
Here's one completed auction for each of the cars you quoted
You may have to sign-in to eBay.1995 BMW M3 - $11,800
I test drove a 1995 BMW 525i. Sticker price was $9,885.
1995 Toyota Supra - $14,500
2000 Audi TT - $10,495
The Supra is gonna be hard to find in my price range..I'll admit that...but the other 3 will be easy.
QUOTE(mbood82 @ Dec 14 2005, 07:50 PM)
Good luck finding a V6 Bimmer. They have inline six cylinder engines.
Beyond that... is cost of maintenance an issue for you?
An inline 6? Not uncommon at all in the world of BMW. Is this going to make them hard to find? They're everywhere!
I am a college student with no current job, so I'm gonna say yes, maintenance is a big issue for me. That's the only thing keeping me from buying a BMW, I think.
Post by: Rylinkus on December 31, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Granulated @ Dec 31 2005, 08:58 PM)
The Supra is gonna be hard to find in my price range..I'll admit that...but the other 3 will be easy.
An inline 6? Not uncommon at all in the world of BMW. Is this going to make them hard to find? They're everywhere!
I am a college student with no current job, so I'm gonna say yes, maintenance is a big issue for me. That's the only thing keeping me from buying a BMW, I think.
Matts point was merely that BMWs generally don't use V6 engines, they use Inline 6s. Just like that wretched Jeep he drives.
Post by: Granulated on December 31, 2005, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 01, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(TwinBoosted @ Dec 14 2005, 06:51 AM)
Yeh I would agree with most of what has been said. I own a couple DOdge Stealths and 3000gt's and they are great cars, but can get expensive to mantain if you don't do your own work. As for the first gens being the better of the two motors, that's wrong. The second gens were better motors, well the 4 bolt motor became standard in '93. Anyways, goodluck finding any of those BMW's or an MKIV Supra for your price. Also, both are pretty expensive to maintain as well. I'm not a huge fan of v8's, but I can respect them for their cost effectiveness, and parts availability. As for how they handle in the snow, well, get some good snow tires and take it easy. You'd be surprised how well that combo goes in the snow. OR, you could buy a cheaper car, and a winter beater. Just some info for you.
Yup, if I granny drive, I find that even my RX-7 can make it on icey roads. You don't want to know how slow I drive though. If maintenence is an issue then definitely go with the Z-28. Experience has taught me that even though certain cars tend to be more reliable than others, previous ownership and parts/labor are far better indicators of what you can expect to pay in maintenence. If you end up getting two comparably well maintained vehicles (a Z-28 and a BMW), the BMW will probably require just a little bit less maintenence but the cost of parts and labor would be through the roof on the BMW. Not everyone can work on BMWs, on the other hand, practically any qualified mechanic can work on a 350 chevy blindfolded.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on January 02, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Granulated @ Dec 31 2005, 08:58 PM)
If you notice the years of the cars I was interested in, the supras and 5 series will be very easy to find in my range. Maybe finding one in good shape might be difficult, but hey, the fun is in the chase, right?
Here's one completed auction for each of the cars you quoted
You may have to sign-in to eBay.1995 BMW M3 - $11,800
I test drove a 1995 BMW 525i. Sticker price was $9,885.
1995 Toyota Supra - $14,500
2000 Audi TT - $10,495
The Supra is gonna be hard to find in my price range..I'll admit that...but the other 3 will be easy.
uhhhh you did notice that the M3 was not in the years you named. It was a few years older. Plus alll of they cars you showed had alot more than 70,000 miles on them. I stand by what i said, E-Bay is a scam mostly anyway. My friend was trying to buy a car off ebay, almost every car he wnet to see had huge problems they didnt mention. Alot of the time they outright lied.
Honestly i was being truthful. Almost all the cars you named are quite abit out of your price range. Any that does happen to fall in your price range probably has major problems. The Supra is one of the few car you can actaully afford, you just need to get lucky.
Another bit of advice, if your spending over 10K than you really shouldnt buy a car over 10 years old with close to 100k miles. You want one that will last. Ive seen alot of people make the mistake your making where they try to buy a nicer car then they can really afford and then end up with an old car that has major problems and usually expensive cars are expensive to fix.
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 1 2006, 09:32 PM)
but the cost of parts and labor would be through the roof on the BMW.
Yeah i will testify to that one. You wouldnt belive how much things that shouldnt even be that expensive cost.
Post by: Rylinkus on January 02, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
Repair bills on BMWs are gonna be costly. I've looked at 325i repairs before and theyre not pretty.
The reason I was looking at Stangs and Camaros when I was shopping was the value and the repair costs. I can afford to maintain them.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 02, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: Granulated on January 04, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
I will agree that a few of those will be nearly impossible to find in my pricerange, but the other thing is...it will be a year or two before I can afford this, so the prices will drop.
I'm hearing more and more not to get a BMW. My friend just bought a 318i, so we'll see what happens with his.
I could live with driving a camaro...the only thing is, it HAS to be manual transmission. I will not drive an automatic. And of course, if it's a camaro, I can't settle for the 3800
Post by: Rylinkus on January 04, 2006, 05:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Granulated @ Jan 4 2006, 09:56 PM)
I could live with driving a camaro...the only thing is, it HAS to be manual transmission. I will not drive an automatic. And of course, if it's a camaro, I can't settle for the 3800
Come on, what real man could turn down a 6 Speed with a 5.7L V8.
I think your best bet would be to test drive a few cars to get some idea what you enjoy driving the most, fit best in, etc.
And if I could dig up my Camaro for under 4k imagine what 7-10k would get ya.... actually now Im thinking a bit older and going Vette.
http://cgi.ebay.com/...599959898QQrdZ1
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2006, 03:33:00 AM
QUOTE(anticrap1234 @ Jan 8 2006, 02:40 AM)
ive seen a few new edge style(99-04) gt mustangs for sale for under 12k w/ lowmiles. You can also find them with mods already dont to them and since stangs are so popular there are tons of things you can do to them.
i also like camaros and lots of my friends drive them but mustangs look a lot better imo
To each their own. I personally think the '99-'04s are among the ugliest mustangs in existance (barring some of the late 70s-early 80s Mustangs). I can't deny them as a cost effective performance car, but I definitely believe that the F-body cameros look better. The '05 GT Mustangs on the other hand are dead sexy.
@rylinkus, don't keep posting that about the Z-28s. It just pisses me off that I can't even come close to that. I can't even begin to find a comparable spec F-body Z-28 for less than $6K. I did find a '96 with about 118K and a few minor mods for about $6K but the SOB had the accursed automatic tranny. Why do people do stupid things like that to sports cars? It's like cutting a guy's balls off and expecting him to run well. Automatic trannys have their place but not in a sports car. The worst crime of course being the Automatic RX-7. What the hell is the point of a rotary engine if you are never going to get to use the full RPM range? Anyways, now I am stuck looking for a little econobox so I can ditch my gas guzzling, high-maintenece bitch and build up my money. I'm not even having any luck with that. I swear I am cursed. 
To make matters worse This '97 Z-28 just popped up in my area at a dealer. Asking price is $8K but I'm sure I could get it for less and it only has 82K on the original engine. Almost the exact same car as rylinkus' Z-28 (same color and general body style).
Post by: Granulated on January 09, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 9 2006, 04:40 AM)
To each their own. I personally think the '99-'04s are among the ugliest mustangs in existance (barring some of the late 70s-early 80s Mustangs). I can't deny them as a cost effective performance car, but I definitely believe that the F-body cameros look better. The '05 GT Mustangs on the other hand are dead sexy.
@rylinkus, don't keep posting that about the Z-28s. It just pisses me off that I can't even come close to that. I can't even begin to find a comparable spec F-body Z-28 for less than $6K. I did find a '96 with about 118K and a few minor mods for about $6K but the SOB had the accursed automatic tranny. Why do people do stupid things like that to sports cars? It's like cutting a guy's balls off and expecting him to run well. Automatic trannys have their place but not in a sports car. The worst crime of course being the Automatic RX-7. What the hell is the point of a rotary engine if you are never going to get to use the full RPM range? Anyways, now I am stuck looking for a little econobox so I can ditch my gas guzzling, high-maintenece bitch and build up my money. I'm not even having any luck with that. I swear I am cursed. To make matters worse This '97 Z-28 just popped up in my area at a dealer. Asking price is $8K but I'm sure I could get it for less and it only has 82K on the original engine. Almost the exact same car as rylinkus' Z-28 (same color and general body style).I used to really like that body style, and not hte newer generation of camaros, but I dunno, I think I like the newer ones better.
Not saying that isn't dead sexy, cause it is...I dislike those rims, but that can be changed
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2006, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on January 09, 2006, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 9 2006, 11:40 AM)
My rims are better.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 09, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: killerbootsman on January 09, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jan 9 2006, 05:14 PM)
My rims are better.
and you know how to take a picture
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on January 09, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(anticrap1234 @ Jan 10 2006, 03:05 AM)
i dont really like the look of cameros, they look like sunfires and trans ams to much. and they look like a dart with the pointed front bumper but they are cheap and good power
Geeee i wonder why......
Post by: Granulated on January 11, 2006, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on January 13, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
QUOTE(anticrap1234 @ Jan 13 2006, 10:33 PM)
that has nothing to do with me not liking how camaros look
I prefer the 6 speed and extra liter of displacement. Plus T Tops are wonderful.
Post by: jesterrace777 on January 14, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jan 14 2006, 03:56 AM)
I prefer the 6 speed and extra liter of displacement. Plus T Tops are wonderful.
Yup, as for looking like a Sunfire? I don't see any relavance between the POS and the Z-28, other than the fact that they are both made by GM. And like herc, the comment about the trans am was a no brainer. Of course they are going to look almost identical since they are virtually THE EXACT SAME CAR!!!!!!!!! That is like saying a Mitsubishi 3000GT looks too much like a Dodge Stealth.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on January 14, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 14 2006, 09:51 PM)
Yup, as for looking like a Sunfire? I don't see any relavance between the POS and the Z-28, other than the fact that they are both made by GM. And like herc, the comment about the trans am was a no brainer. Of course they are going to look almost identical since they are virtually THE EXACT SAME CAR!!!!!!!!! That is like saying a Mitsubishi 3000GT looks too much like a Dodge Stealth.
Yeah and honestly i think GM did the best job possible with making the Trans Am and Camaro look different. I mean yeahh of course they are going to look abit alike they are after all the same car, but i really think GM does a better job than most companys do with separating sister cars. To me the Camaro looks much more agressive and clean, while the Trans Am looks kind girly and bubbly.
Post by: Rylinkus on January 14, 2006, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Jan 14 2006, 10:26 PM)
Yeah and honestly i think GM did the best job possible with making the Trans Am and Camaro look different. I mean yeahh of course they are going to look abit alike they are after all the same car, but i really think GM does a better job than most companys do with separating sister cars. To me the Camaro looks much more agressive and clean, while the Trans Am looks kind girly and bubbly.
If T Tops are cool,. flip up headlights are cooler. The only way I could be happier with my car is if it was the pontiac version