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Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: ofx210p on March 27, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
Does the xbox frag without the chameleon connected... if so you need to look at the D0 line continuity

If it doesnt frag then look at the content of the chameleon. maybe boot to a different bank and reflash the bank1

Good luck

Chris
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: LiquidCell on March 27, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
Turn the xbox on with the DVDROM Drive not connected on the IDE cable.  If it doesn't frag then, you'll need a new drive.  This happened to my friends thomson drive, oen of the pins on the IDE connector on his thomson snapped off.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 27, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
Well right now nothing is connected. No dvd, no hd. When I unplug the chameleon it frags out, but I thought that when the d0 point was connected with a wire it is supposed to frag out anyways. And is there anyway to test to see if it's my power supply, without buying a new one. Also, is there any way to flash the bios without a programmer? Thanks.

Edit: Checked the d0 point. Looks good.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Mavrox on March 27, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
it shouldn't frag if you removed the chip somebody correct me if i'm wrong but the way the mod chip works is that when the d0 point is grounded that it boots the bios from the lpc port and and when its not grounded that i boots from the xbox bios chip.

so...
1 d0 point is grounded
2 there is something wrong with the mod chip and you bios on your xbox
3 LPC port is fried on the inside (my problem) sad.gif

I bought a new board and it fragged when i had the chip enabled useing the pin headers but with tweeking it a bit i use the wires and soldered them to the pins and now it works fine it may not look the best but hay it works. i saw a guide on checking the lpc port it may help you out ive been look to try to fix my board but can't find it if you find it let me know. biggrin.gif
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 28, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
bump
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Mavrox on March 28, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
disconnect the d0 point and the mod-chip and see if it frags
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 28, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
Well I dont know what my first step should be in trying to fix it? Should I get a programmer and see if the chip is dead or has no bios? Or should I check my psu?
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 28, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
Ok here's the full story. I attempted an hdd led mod, fucked it up. Bought a new hdd on ebay. Then I realized I cant use this new official hdd, because it wont be locked. So I bought a modchip a chameleon. Then I botched the install. and bought a new motherboard after my friend's dad tried to fix it. Now I have a new motherboard, that I bought from a guy who messed up the tsop, he said it'd work if I had a modchip, but now it's still fragging out. I believe it to be either the modchip, i.e. bad or no bios. Or the power supply like someone suggested. Please someone help. I've sunk too much money into this now. It's getting to be that I might just buy a new xbox, but I don't have 180 bucks either.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 29, 2004, 03:13:00 AM
anyone, Im desperate.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 29, 2004, 12:42:00 PM
bump, again.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
well, judging by what u said. the box isnt gonna boot without fraggin with that chip and without the chip even connected.. that makes perfect sense because your TSOP is fucked because of a bad flash. if the box frags with the chip enabled (i.e connected) then u probably have a blank or bad BIOS on it. there are ways to flash a chameleon without a programmer, but u need another chip with a good BIOS on it to load evox. if your box turns on fine and runs fine its not the power supply. try setting the chameleon to bank 3, usually they come pre-flashed with the cromwell BIOS on it.. also, can u give us an error code or tell us what the colors of the LEDS are when its fragging?
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 02:55:00 PM
so it has audio and video? shows the green blubber movie on startup? if so, i would bet your chip has a bad BIOS on it.. did you try to boot it from bank 3 yet?
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 29, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
No it doesnt give me anything. It frags out, but you also have to remember that there is no bios at all, because of a bad tsop. And I tried booting from bank 3, nothing. So i guess my next step will be getting a programmer.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
well, if you're not getting anything i.e no video or sound, umm.. bad soldering job, splashed solder on a trace, lifted a trace, or bridged a connection. look over it again, look REAL HARD! if everything is connnected and looks 100% prefect, $100 bucks says your eeprom is fucked..
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE (okandroid @ Mar 30 2004, 12:59 AM)
No it doesnt give me anything. It frags out, but you also have to remember that there is no bios at all, because of a bad tsop. And I tried booting from bank 3, nothing. So i guess my next step will be getting a programmer.

or find someone with a modded box and a good chip
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 29, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
How could my eeprom be screwed!? I had the same issue with fragging on the last motherboard, and assuming that the problem was with the mobo I bought a new one. Ive checked up an down and it doesnt seem like theres any solder splashes aynwhere. This is really starting to get tedious, soon enought I might just scrap my xbox and get a new one.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
QUOTE (okandroid @ Mar 30 2004, 01:13 AM)
How could my eeprom be screwed!? I had the same issue with fragging on the last motherboard, and assuming that the problem was with the mobo I bought a new one. Ive checked up an down and it doesnt seem like theres any solder splashes aynwhere. This is really starting to get tedious, soon enought I might just scrap my xbox and get a new one.

dunno how the eeprom could be screwed... i had a customer with an executer 2, chip in his box this one time. box did nothing when powered on no video or audio.. powered on and wouldn't do anything else but frag. chip had a good BIOS on it. TSOP was fucked (as in your case).. put the chip in my box and it booted fine to unleashx dash. got a eeprom from a scrap mobo with lifted traces everywhere. installed it in his box.. thing booted perfectly...... to this day, i've yet to come up with a reason why his eeprom was blank.... but it was!
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
fucked eeprom is no big deal
just get your programmer and use a bios with embedded eeprom and boot from that. if it works use configmagic to restore the eeprom...
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE (Bad_Ad @ Mar 30 2004, 02:37 AM)
fucked eeprom is no big deal
just get your programmer and use a bios with embedded eeprom and boot from that. if it works use configmagic to restore the eeprom...

too much work.. soldering in a new eeprom only takes 3 minutes... why go through all that trouble..
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 29, 2004, 05:52:00 PM
Well where exactly is the eeprom, just for reference. After I check the chip with a bios I could replace the eeprom if it doesnt work.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: doi on March 29, 2004, 06:50:00 PM
eight pin chip behind the tsop
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE (elitesam @ Mar 30 2004, 02:53 AM)
too much work.. soldering in a new eeprom only takes 3 minutes... why go through all that trouble..

yeah and you need soldering skills..... yet downloading a bios with a built in eeprom and writing it to the mod (which hes gonna have to do anyway) is too much work?
riiiiiigggggggghhhhhtttttttttttttt.............
so your saying it takes you 3 mins to open the xbox, desolder the chip, solder in a new one? i doubt it.

i fail to see how that can be faster or easier than just firing up config magic and hit "write eeprom"

plus, what if he doesnt have a spare eeprom?? he can repair his existing one....



that was the stupidest thing ive heard all week
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 08:01:00 PM
QUOTE (Bad_Ad @ Mar 30 2004, 04:53 AM)
QUOTE (elitesam @ Mar 30 2004, 02:53 AM)
too much work.. soldering in a new eeprom only takes 3 minutes... why go through all that trouble..

yeah and you need soldering skills..... yet downloading a bios with a built in eeprom and writing it to the mod (which hes gonna have to do anyway) is too much work?
riiiiiigggggggghhhhhtttttttttttttt.............
so your saying it takes you 3 mins to open the xbox, desolder the chip, solder in a new one? i doubt it.

i fail to see how that can be faster or easier than just firing up config magic and hit "write eeprom"

plus, what if he doesnt have a spare eeprom?? he can repair his existing one....



that was the stupidest thing ive heard all week
all week... its fucking monday...
hey dumbass.. considering he cant even boot evox, and his box wont even boot anything, i think that if its the eeprom he's gonna need a new chip! unless he installs his chip in someone elses box, and writes a new eeprom .bin file to it or uses a programmer that he doesnt have......... well,  then thats a different story..... read before u make a dumbass comment.. BTW Bad_Ad, if you cant solder, u have no busniess even opening your box...
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
so, your clearly a dumbass?

i can solder fine, and why would he need to replace his eeprom?
you use an embedded one in the bios, then you can flash the onboard one with what ever you like, it doesnt need to be the image from his eeprom, any will do.

so again, you are wrong, i think you should learn what you are talking about before helping any "clients" you have.


so, using your method, hes gonna replace the eeprom (which he doesnt have a spare) then hes still not going to be able to boot his xbox as the tsop doesnt work... so he needs the programmer anyway....

i think you need to learn to read before acting like a dumbass and spewing shit to someone asking for help.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 08:44:00 PM
your method:

he needs to be able to solder
he needs a spare eeprom
and hes still gonna need a programmer for his mod as the tsop is fucked.


my method:

he doesnt need to solder
he doesnt need a spare epprom
and he still needs the programmer anyway.


so, how is your way better again?
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 29, 2004, 09:54:00 PM
QUOTE (okandroid @ Mar 29 2004, 03:28 AM)
Ok here's the full story. I attempted an hdd led mod, fucked it up. Bought a new hdd on ebay. Then I realized I cant use this new official hdd, because it wont be locked. So I bought a modchip a chameleon. Then I botched the install. and bought a new motherboard after my friend's dad tried to fix it. Now I have a new motherboard, that I bought from a guy who messed up the tsop, he said it'd work if I had a modchip, but now it's still fragging out. I believe it to be either the modchip, i.e. bad or no bios. Or the power supply like someone suggested. Please someone help. I've sunk too much money into this now. It's getting to be that I might just buy a new xbox, but I don't have 180 bucks either.

ohh, forgot to bring this up Bad_Ad look, he does have a spare motherboard, what to all xbox motherboards come with? ahh, thats correct, an eeprom chip. word of the day "READ"
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
he has a motherboard doing EXACTLY the same as the one hes using now

so please shut up and go be "anal" in the corner by yourself.

whats the point of de soldering components when you dont even know if thats whats wrong?

why dont you try getting a working bios on the mod if that dont work, embed a epprom, if that works then you know your epprom is fucked before jumping in the fucking deep end doing shit you might not even need to do.

as a programmer and pc engineer, i dont believe in rushing in and doing shit when its not needed, thats why you test things, to find what needs replacing and what doesnt you fucking dumbass.

i dont see how you can believe in "doing things right the first time" when you dont even know what is fucking wrong?

you are seriously digging yourself a deeper hole bringing up all this bullshit.

you should test and test again to find whats wrong, then fix what needs fixing, not just start whipping out epproms etc etc when you dont know what the problem is..
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
also theres a clean image on the usual server thats not for live etc, but will be fine to test if its the epprom before he start whipping out components and possibly making his problem worse (this did all start with a bad mod attempt in the first place, so you are putting alot of trust into his ability after already screwing up once)

*edit* in fact hes screwed up twice already, not once.
so you want him to just start ripping out epproms now after already failing a HDD mod and screwed mod chip installation...?

you obviously have no experiance providing tech support, just because you can do something doesnt mean they can. so i provide solutions that are safe for people to try even with little/no skill.

i do this kind of thing for a living, why dont you go back to your test tubes?
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 29, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
and 3rd post in a row (sorry)

what if its only the mod chip that is fucked?

and we already know the tsop has a bad flash, so it cant boot from that, then theres NOTHING wrong with the epprom, so its hardly a "100% fix" when you still dont know whats wrong with the god damn thing.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 30, 2004, 03:24:00 AM
alright. I think first, Im gonna check the mochip. I have someone willing to sell me a programmer for 10 bucks. Then if its in tip top shape Ill go about doing the eeprom. That's when Ill decide if Ill do it manually or through the programmer.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: okandroid on March 30, 2004, 07:47:00 AM
does anyone have any guides on how to replace the eeprom manually, or through software? Many thanks to all who have helped me, I really appreciate it.
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 30, 2004, 10:20:00 AM
QUOTE (okandroid @ Mar 30 2004, 05:47 PM)
does anyone have any guides on how to replace the eeprom manually, or through software? Many thanks to all who have helped me, I really appreciate it.
BTW i forgot to mention that i also have a BA in computer science and electronics, FYI.. No, i dont play with test tubes all day.. I'm usually writing VB scripts and programming PLC's to make life easier on other people, and yes, i'm very good @ tech support as well. ask bad_ad for the guides on doing the software method since hes so hot headed and high upon himself... if you want to use my method, PM me, i'll write you up a tut.. Lets first make sure u have a legit BIOS on ur chip. If you want to use his method, i'll even supply you with a clean virgin eeprom bin file no charge, but you'll have to get a tut from somewhere or ask mr. hot head how to do it....
Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: Bad_Ad on March 30, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
rofl, your just upset that i made you look stupid.

one of your main points was that you need to explain how to use the software method, yet your about to write a tutorial on how to do the hardware method, which again you dont know is the problem, if you worked for me as tech support, id sack you for giving bad advise.

you dont seem to know what "troubleshooting" even means.

and only reason your saying for me to write software method is because you dont know how to do it and got shown up on a msg board and your just trying to save face.

Title: Xbox Still Fraggin
Post by: elitesam on March 30, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
rofl, your just upset that i made you look stupid.

one of your main points was that you need to explain how to use the software method, yet your about to write a tutorial on how to do the hardware method, which again you dont know is the problem, if you worked for me as tech support, id sack you for giving bad advise.

you dont seem to know what "troubleshooting" even means.

and only reason your saying for me to write software method is because you dont know how to do it and got shown up on a msg board and your just trying to save face.

holy shit, do u ever give up? if i didnt know how to do it using your method? then how the hell was i planning on sending him an eeprom image from an old mobo, in which he doesnt even need because he has a spare eeprom chip, something you overlooked before running your big mouth... the only reason i offered to write him a tut was because he asked me to.. if you're so into helping him, then write him a tut.. another thing is, how the hell did you make me look stupid if my method works just as well as yours? you need to chill the fu*k out dude. I'm starting to think you're Dyslexic or something, and im pretty sure people are getting sick of seeing these posts, so if a MOD sees this, please close the thrend as i've already sent this poor guy all the info he needs to fix his box "using both methods" we're here to help this guy, no to fight. just give it up....