Post by: competes2win on April 05, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
My question is simply whether or not a different bios can effect the performance of the program xbmc... I bought an xbox with IND-bios installed, I'm not sure what version sorry. this is the only box I have not modded myself, I bought this mainly because it has a ram upgrade. However I have noticed that xbmc runs much slower (in memory intensive skins, running at 720p) than it does on my other xboxes using the X2 5035 bios and the same skins/same resolution.... one of my 'good' xboxes is a v1.6, but the one with issues as well as the other 'good' one are both 1.0's , so the only difference between my bad one is the bios as well as the ram upgrade.
thanks in advance for any info that can be provided...my first thought is that this is not a bios issue at all, but just thought I'd confirm. Thanks
Post by: xess on February 03, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
I take it all your box's are running the latest build of XBMC? Can the new box be flashed with 5035?
Post by: competes2win on April 06, 2008, 04:56:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Apr 6 2008, 05:38 PM) 
I have two xbox's in the house, a v1.0 (X2 5035) and a v1.6 (X3 3294), and I have noticed my 1.6 handles XBMC a little bit faster. Not sure if it's a bios issue tho, as I thought the bios was only used at boot up to check the hardware and start the relevant software running, ie XBMC. I always put it down to better hardware in my v1.6.
I take it all your box's are running the latest build of XBMC? Can the new box be flashed with 5035?
Ya, my 1.6 has the 5035 bios already and runs fine... though you are probably right that its most likely just the newer hardware. Yes, my xbmc is the latest release and both the same on each box. I think I'll just assume that it's the 1.6 that makes the difference, and not bother with reflashing the bios of my 1.0... I'm not sure how to do that anyways, upgrading to a new bios from a preinstalled bios that is. I've only flashed my chips when they were fresh, using xecuter flashbios... Thanks for the reply though.
Post by: xess on February 03, 2020, 05:09:00 PM
I don't know anything about IND-bios, but I do know 5035 is one of the best available. It could be worth your while giving it a go.
Post by: competes2win on April 06, 2008, 08:27:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Apr 6 2008, 07:09 PM)
If you have a copy of AID (Slayers too, probably but I never use it) you can use that to flash, or you could make a "bios" folder on the root of C and ftp the bios over, then use the option in the Evox dash to flash.
I don't know anything about IND-bios, but I do know 5035 is one of the best available. It could be worth your while giving it a go.
Thanks for the reply, Ya maybe I'll give it a go, I do have AID. One thing that worries me though is that while looking into the IND-bios I noticed it was a 256bios file, but I do know that 5035 is a 512..
but I also know that I have one of the earlier Xecuter2.something in this particular xbox... and as far as I know all Xecuter 2's have 512 available... so I shouldn't have anything to worry about on this front should i?
Post by: run088 on February 03, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
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Post by: xess on April 07, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: competes2win on April 07, 2008, 07:37:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Apr 7 2008, 05:33 PM)
Have you opened it up to see what/if a chip is in it?
An xecuter chip, If I remember correctly It looks identical to my xecuter2.6's but doesan't have an external switch that I used for my other mods. I know that this chip can use 512 bios files... looking at the supposed ind-bios that I have currentlly (ind-bios 5003) there are four .bin files in the xbins download, I have ind-bios.5003.06.bfm, ind-bios.5003.67.bfm, ind-bios.5003.06, and ind-bios.5003.67... are all four of these files used?
also is it possible to use a 256 bios file on a 512 bank... if it is than I should just be able to reflash with the 512 x2 5035 with no issues i suppose... Further, since the X2 is the most recent xecuter2 bios file I'm assuming it is 128mb ram compatible.
thanks for all the comments so far guys.
Post by: run088 on April 08, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: competes2win on April 08, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(run088 @ Apr 8 2008, 02:05 AM)
You just are not going to be able to use just any bios you have a ram upgrade do not forget this if you flash the wrong bios the xbox will frag and become useless if you flash the wrong size bios you will render your xbox useless.Dont forget this please! Personally it is my opinion that it is unlikely that your bios are controlling the speed of xbmc.If it were me I would be more inclined to say maybe a dying hdd?Or maybe there are settings in xbmc that need to be set.it is widely known as I said xbmc will not use the ram upgrade to perform any better and often there are reports of it having adverse affects to xbmc performance
I understand, and thought that the bios probably didn't have anything to do with xbmc performance but thought I'd check here with you guys since you would know much better than I. Perhaps the speed is slower on this ram upgraded box but again I'm not sure if it's due to the ram or perhaps it being a 1.0? I have seen an improvement in xbmc outside of speed however, for example, in some of the memory intensive skins icons would disapear as memory would be used up, now I don't have that problem. like you said the slow down could be my hdd, although hopefully not since it's quite new, within a year, although it is 320gb and full.
Anyways, ya so I just won't update my bios... although the X2 5035 is supposed to be one of the 'best' bioses I certainly don't see a difference between anything else on my xbox that runs the 5035, except for the speed in xbmc, and like you said that's probably not a bios issue anyhow.
thanks everyone for putting up with me, I'll go now.
Post by: run088 on April 08, 2008, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: xess on April 09, 2008, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(competes2win @ Apr 8 2008, 07:11 PM)
thanks everyone for putting up with me, I'll go now.
Giving up so soon? For me it would be time to experiment!
Why not stick one of your other chips with a 5035 in the upgraded box? I see no reason why the bios would stop the box from booting up. But if run088 is correct, and the box doesn't work, then you can just swap the chips back around and then we have a definate answer. Of course, don't use the chip from the v1.6.
Also you might want to read this and other topics of note here.
@run088 Do you have a ram upgraded xbox or first hand experience working with one? Why are you so sure it won't work?
My v1.6 is far superior as well as more reliable to any other xbox I have or worked on. It has never given me any problems, which is more than can be said for my v1.0...
Post by: run088 on April 09, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Apr 9 2008, 06:57 PM)
Giving up so soon? For me it would be time to experiment!
Why not stick one of your other chips with a 5035 in the upgraded box? I see no reason why the bios would stop the box from booting up. But if run088 is correct, and the box doesn't work, then you can just swap the chips back around and then we have a definate answer. Of course, don't use the chip from the v1.6.
Also you might want to read this and other topics of note here.
@run088 Do you have a ram upgraded xbox or first hand experience working with one? Why are you so sure it won't work?
My v1.6 is far superior as well as more reliable to any other xbox I have or worked on. It has never given me any problems, which is more than can be said for my v1.0...
I never said give up only to pay more attention as to not kill your xbox.2 dont take my word for it about the bios for the ram upgrade. The info is here in the site search for it if you dont believe me.It is disturbing to me you give out your info without knowing what your talking about. And 3 it is your belief the 1.6 is superior your entitled to believe what you want.It is my belief as stated that 1.6v are junk and I sell them 1/2 price or to people I dont like. Thats my belief and I'm entitled to it as well.To be honest I would never bring that up and only did because you said that same thing before I got involved trying to help out.And feel its my duty to the site and what its about to try to correct people like you before someone listens and kills there xbox.
Post by: competes2win on April 10, 2008, 01:29:00 AM
As for the 5035 bios working with the ram-upgrade I know that it is compatible. My biggest issue has always been whether my bios would fit on my chip, however as I said i'm a 100% sure that my chip is an earler Xecuter 2 chip and therefor would have a large enough bios bank... but I am unsure about how these banks are split. or if they are 'split' at all... for example, if I had initially 1MB of storage but the previous owner 'split' it to 4x256 and thereby making it non-compatible with a 512 bios... again i don't know if this is what happens, because admittedly I don't know anything about flashing/ upgrading my bios... my experience goes as far as soldering an xecuter 2.6 and then using the pre-installed flash bios program to flash an x2-5035 bios to the chip.... That's what i've done in the past with two other boxes. This is my first ram-upgrade and the first xbox I didn't mod initially myself.
As for the little debate about the 1.0 vs. 1.6 comparison: My opinion is this. Simply, put the 1.0 shouldn't be compared in this argument if anything then the 1.1 should. The little fan on the gpu dies in a lot of xbox's and can cause a lot of problems, so based on this fact alone the 1.0 is inferior in my opinion. As for the 1.1/all the other (older box's) I feel they are probably most likely on par with the 1.6. I have never had problems with my 1.6... The fact that microsoft most likely was able make the 1.6 version at a cheaper price is not necessarily indicative of a less quality product, but better technology and the fact that the hardware later in the xbox's life cycle was older, less cutting edge, and therefore more cheaply made. For all I know perhaps the 1.6 just seem to work better and seem to be more reliable because they are newer.
Post by: run088 on April 10, 2008, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: cobrin on April 10, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(run088 @ Apr 9 2008, 04:26 AM)
here is why
yeah I'd have to agree with the points mentioned. Just only if it had the phillips dvd-rom as well.
Post by: xess on April 10, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(run088 @ Apr 10 2008, 12:16 AM)
It is disturbing to me you give out your info without knowing what your talking about...
...And feel its my duty to the site and what its about to try to correct people like you before someone listens and kills there xbox.
I'm sorry, but what was that about? I never attacked you, your opinions or your advice. I only asked you a couple of questions because I was curious as to why you were so adament that a bios upgrade wasn't possible, without specifying why. It was obvious to me that you knew something I didn't, and I merely wanted to know what that was. I spent a good couple of hours searching and trying to find out what bios competes could use with his ram upgrade, and could find no evidence of the xbox "fragging and becoming useless". I also supplied links to information I thought he might find interesting. Going back and re-reading my posts, any advice I offered to him, mainly open the box and look at the chip/ how to flash/ swapping the chips over to test if it boots, is in my opinion sound advice. Even you agreed it was a good idea to test with another bios before erasing the current working one.
The next time you decide to "correct people like me", please think a little bit more carefully about what advice/opinions are wrong and why.
@competes: Let us know how you get on if/when you get time to test with another chip.
Post by: run088 on April 10, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(cobrin @ Apr 10 2008, 02:04 PM)
yeah I'd have to agree with the points mentioned. Just only if it had the phillips dvd-rom as well.
I would have to agree some to that the dvd drive did get better as the years pasted but I think all the dvd drives are still terrible the thompson wont read shit the samsungs doors strip out and most of the phillips read pretty good but I have seen a dozen or so burn out to the point the xbox wouldn't boot up giving me some kind of error code.I have never seen any dvd drive myself other than a phillips that has forbidden the xbox to boot because it was not working properly. I will agree you will find that problem less in the phillips than you find the problems in the other 2.But that problem sucks a little more than the other 2 as well so its a toss up in my mind.I put 616t's in all mine but thinking of just trying to find a pretty decent line of pc dvd drive I can convert to get better load times and quality.I store all my games in my xboxes so the need to read a game gets outweighed by the need to read all my media.
Post by: run088 on April 10, 2008, 04:07:00 PM
QUOTE(xess @ Apr 10 2008, 05:56 PM)
I'm sorry, but what was that about? I never attacked you, your opinions or your advice. I only asked you a couple of questions because I was curious as to why you were so adament that a bios upgrade wasn't possible, without specifying why. It was obvious to me that you knew something I didn't, and I merely wanted to know what that was. I spent a good couple of hours searching and trying to find out what bios competes could use with his ram upgrade, and could find no evidence of the xbox "fragging and becoming useless". I also supplied links to information I thought he might find interesting. Going back and re-reading my posts, any advice I offered to him, mainly open the box and look at the chip/ how to flash/ swapping the chips over to test if it boots, is in my opinion sound advice. Even you agreed it was a good idea to test with another bios before erasing the current working one.
The next time you decide to "correct people like me", please think a little bit more carefully about what advice/opinions are wrong and why.
@competes: Let us know how you get on if/when you get time to test with another chip.
Sorry if I came off wrong but I knew he didn't know enough just yet without some research to complete his task and felt you were trying to get him moving in the wrong direction to fast.He was not providing us with the nessacary info to be telling him what to flash regardless of the upgraded ram he had no understanding of the bio sizes or anything which is something you have to know BEFORE you go flashing chips or tsops.Not to mention as I understand from reading because I only have experince really with one modchip .Is that certain chips require special bios themselves as well.And I also provided a link to support my claim of the ram upgrade and bios and can tell you I have done before what I had thought you were encourging him to do and got the exact same results as the article mentions and because I did not have a chip availble to me at the time so I could tinker with the bios with I was forced to take the ram off to get it to boot.I just did not want him to do the same thing.I dont know what the bios are that will work or will not work with the ram upgrade.I think it would be good if someone with more knowledge about the ram upgrades bios pinned a tut on which bios would and would not work with the upgraded ram.
Post by: run088 on April 15, 2008, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: competes2win on September 08, 2008, 09:24:00 PM
QUOTE(00diabolic @ Sep 8 2008, 08:01 PM)
I know this is an old topic but it exactly covers the issue I have.
I have 2x 1.4 and 1x 1.5 xbox (well I believe thats what it is i've heard there really rare).
I have IND-Bios 5003 on all and I have the following hard drives. Main XBOX has 120gb drive, Second 20gb Drive, and third has a regular 10gb drive.
I was running .06 bios on all because I have drives all under 137GB. What is strange is I was getting audio distortions in XBMC with the .06 bios on the 120gb drive. So I went to the .67 bios on the 120GB and that was gone and then decided to flash all of mine with that bios because it allows for larger HD upgrades easier.
Now this is where it gets strange. I put the .67 bios on my 10gb drive xbox and nothing changed except that I have to click on everything twice to get it to launch. Now that was not the case with the .06 bios. But why would the .67 bios cause such an issue. Is it something else? Ive also noticed this issue on softmodded 1.0 xbox with the default bios. You have to click on everything twice to get it to run. It is such a weird issue and I would really like to figure out why it happens when it does.
I also have a few comments about the debate about xbox versions also.. see below.
I used to have 2x 1.6 and got rid of them. One of them ran really fast. Like it was turbo charged or something in XBMC but no chip or other upgrade just a regular softmod. I got it unmoded originally and did the softmod myself. It lasted about 2 weeks at super speed before it died and gave me a flipping image on the screen like an old projector that ran out of film. It was really interesting to try things with this 1.6 before it died but only XBMC was any faster. Anyway I'm under the belief that the 1.6's are the worst. However I dont believe the 1.0's are the best either. The point that microsoft started to make money on them is the point where the xbox were at there best. That would be around the time the Halo box's came out. Those are 1.4 xbox. Think about it they were able to sell the Halos for almost double just because of a green case. Anyway the 1.4 is the best in my book and it makes sense. M$ spent a lot on the 1.0 and still had problems with them. The 1.2 was improved but still buggy. Then came the 1.3 and finally sales of the xbox started to pick up and in 2004 microsoft finally saw profits for the first time on the xbox. Thats when the 1.4 came out & they got the best of the DVD drives available. I remember that it was a big deal. It showed that they could finally compete with Sony. Then the short lived and canceled 1.5 came out and then Microsoft wanted more money out of the xbox and made the 1.6 with somewhat cheaper parts to boost profits. So conclusion the 1.6 is the worst to have. It being the newest is nice but cheaper parts dont last as long and its not much more then a few months newer then a 1.4 xbox's.
Really silly that I even noticed your post, I haven't checked this thread or this area of the forums for ages... but I think you should just try to uninstall and then reinstall xbmc on your troubled boxes. I dont think the double clicking issue could possibly be a bios issue. When you delete xbmc though make sure to do it from another program while your not running xbmc at the same time.
Post by: 00diabolic on September 09, 2008, 12:17:00 AM