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Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 27, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Hello i am a middelclass beginner on the xbox modding/Tsop, i am a bit rusty because it has been a long time since i was in to the xbox updating and other hack stuff.

Get ready for a real challenge, you are gonna flip on this one.

Here's the problem:

Got the xbox v1.0 from my brother, who modded it a strange way with the enigma chip. He told me he installed it booted it and removed the chip and flashed it with evox.

In short I HAVE A NO-CHIP SOFTMODDED xbox v1.0 evox dashboard.


(I was happy when he gave it to me for christmas in the year 2001 i think)

So recently i dloaded a rare game (The Wild Rings - Jap) that wasn't running on my xbox, so i flashed it first with ''x2_5035_v16plus_512k.bin'' and it rebooted only with sound. So i was a bit scared but i pressed some buttons and it work but without video. So i opened the ini file to see how my evox menu's were in order and i manage to re-flash it with ''EvoxM7.bin'' i think. So i was happy to see every thing worinking again and the rare game booted yay  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).

Ok here it went wrong:
I THOUGHT, I WANT THE BEST BIOS SO I CAN PLAY EVERYTHING!! (D'oh). I dloaded flashbios 3.0.3 and thats where i am, i got the blue screen and i tried most things that would save my xbox like:

1: Google for solutions
2: a solder sharp tsop
3: 3 wire solder solution flash
4: dummy + 256 m8.bin bios to 1 mb through network flash

all of them don't work, what should i do, i keep on getting the blue flashbios 3.0.3 screen and i don't know how to turn of the flashprotection on a no-modchio modded xbox v1.0. So please help me out!!!!!

MY questions are:

1: how do i turn off flashprotection on this xbox, so that i may flash correctly and go on.
2: how do i get past the blue flash screen and re flash to the old bios that worked!! ( if not question 2)

Thanks for taking the time to read, you will be blessed for helping me out!!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Peace out,

S.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: c_a_messmer on January 27, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
Get a Modchip.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 27, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
comon please help me with a solution.   sad.gif
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: c_a_messmer on January 28, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Like I said Install a modchip.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 28, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
don't have one. it is just the eeprom who needs to reset.
If i can make a switch for a flashprotection than the problem is solved.
And i don't know how to do that with a softmodded xbox.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: c_a_messmer on January 28, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
Why would the eeprom need reset? Also are your tsop points bridged?
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 29, 2008, 12:10:00 AM
yes and tried that, and it didn't work, i flashed it with the wrong bios now i am stuck on biosflash 3.0.3 blue screen.

I searched allot and found out that i need to turn off the flashprotection (something about banks) but dont know how. I did the 3 wire solder and the tsop sharp bridge but no luck. There has been a moment that my xbox was booting 2 or 3 times overagain and a few times booted with red and green light flashing without the blue screen, i though my xbox was going kwakers. but now it is waiting to be repared.

I don't want to be a bother, but i realy like my xbox to work again.

Thnx again for the repies.


PS: The X3 CE look pretty good biggrin.gif
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on January 29, 2008, 12:58:00 AM
All talk of your downloaded game aside (don't ask for help with piracy!), some notes on BIOSes:

First off, there are three basic ways a console can be modded: By chipping them, TSOP flashing them, or softmodding them.

Installing a modchip means you can over ride the system's BIOS with a hacked one (such as the X2 5035). They can usually be disabled so that the console will use the stock BIOS stored in the TSOP.

Using a softmod means you can mod the system without opening the box. This does not allow you to use a custom BIOS to boot the system.

TSOP flashing involves replacing the system's original BIOS with a hacked one. It provides nearly all the benefits of installing a modchip, however many systems only have small TSOPs and so your choice of BIOS can be a bit limited.

The 1.0/1.1 consoles each have a big 1mb TSOP (enough to take multiple BIOS types if you know what you're doing), though at the other end of the scale the 1.6 console does not have a flashable TSOP at all (and needs a modchip in order to use custom BIOS types). I'm a little foggy on what the other console versions have, I assume they are fitted with 256kb TSOPs.

QUOTE(whatchawan81 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:22 AM) View Post
Got the xbox v1.0 from my brother, who modded it a strange way with the enigma chip. He told me he installed it booted it and removed the chip and flashed it with evox.

In short I HAVE A NO-CHIP SOFTMODDED xbox v1.0 evox dashboard.

Bit of a paradox here - If he flashed it after removing the modchip, then the box shouldn't be softmodded anymore - It should fall into the "TSOP flashed" category.

QUOTE(whatchawan81 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:22 AM) View Post
so i flashed it first with ''x2_5035_v16plus_512k.bin'' and it rebooted only with sound.

You're lucky it did anything. The X2 5035 BIOS is a good one (it's what I use), but you flashed a version intended for use with a 1.6 console.

Anyway, if you have that file, odds are you have "x2_5035_vOld_512k.bin" as well. That'd work fine with your system (which is older then a 1.6 box).

QUOTE(whatchawan81 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:22 AM) View Post
i don't know how to turn of the flashprotection on a no-modchio modded xbox v1.0.

It's already off (otherwise you wouldn't have been able to flash with that 1.6 X2 BIOS and then reverse the process). Odds are your brother disabled it (it's done by joining a couple of traces on the motherboard).

QUOTE(whatchawan81 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:22 AM) View Post
2: a solder sharp tsop

Unless your TSOP specifically has "Sharp" written on it, methods for this type of chip do not apply to you. Do not use them or you'll fry your box.

So, um, you've got FlashBios installed, but you say it just gives you a blue screen? Do you mean to say it isn't giving you any menu options, or do you just mean you're not sure where to go from there...?!

Leave your EEPROM alone for now. Fix your BIOS issues first.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 29, 2008, 07:54:00 AM
i mean that i can choose options and i can even use http bios flash method, the problem is that i keep getting unkown flash. the tutorial for biosflash3.0.3 tells when you see that message you need to turn off the flash protection. and i don't know how to do that without a chip. is it possoble that i am useing the wrong biosses?

i see that you have allot of knowlidge of these things
if you have msn please add me for more help, i would be happy if you did.

Bomb Bloke here is my email: [email protected]



You have made alot clear for me, i just need the right steps to make my xbox work again. i'll wait for you advice.


thanx a bunch
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on January 29, 2008, 07:04:00 PM
Best I can make out that message has nothing to do with the BIOS you're trying to flash: It has to do with the chip you're trying to flash it to. It seems FlashBios doesn't recognise your TSOP (there are quite a few different types).

Can you boot from your DVD drive? Pressed discs/burnt discs?
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: c_a_messmer on January 29, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
No he can't boot from anything. I did the same thing he did to see what options he would have to fix it. First I flashed a 1mb evox m7 bios to the tsop since that is what he had before flashing flashbios, then I flashed the flashbios file. The only 2 ways i could come up with was to install a modchip or since the flashbios image is only 256k i was able to split the tsop in half with a switch and boot back to the evox m7 bios and reflash the flash bios portion of the tsop thru evox. I would say a switch would be the way to go.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 30, 2008, 12:24:00 AM
glad to hear that. i tried the switch but i have a little bit of problem soldering the right points, maybe i am soldering wrong. I am a little bit of noob when it comes to the soldering points. can you make a picture of the points that need to be solderd, because the tutorials are unclear to me. like i don't know exactly where the vcc point is and the bridge or the ground.

Please help me to solder to the right points step by step.


Thanks for helping me, you will be rewarded
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on January 30, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
Take a good look at this page. What you need to do is connect a wire from one of the two points on the right (A18 or A19) to the ground point on the big capacitor. When you turn the box on, it'll try to boot from a different section of the TSOP - Depending on how your chip has been flashed in the past, it may be possible to get it to "work" this way.

If connections to neither A18 or A19 work, try both at once. Try using a short wire bent in half to connect the points - You can lay this flat on the board and bend it to the correct position before you begin soldering. A longer wire is more likely to move around and bend under it's own weight.

If you're lucky enough to get a combo that'll let you boot the console into something other then FlashBios, solder the wire(s) into that position. Now use your normal flash software (that is, whatever you used to get FlashBios on there in the first place) to install, for eg, the X2 5035 (making sure you use a version for your 1.0 console this time  wink.gif ).

Once that's done, you should be able to remove the wires and things should be just peachy.  smile.gif

If you can't find a combo that'll let you get past FlashBios, then you will need to get a modchip.

(Until the day someone comes up with a TSOP flasher similar to the EEPROM reader... I'd love to have access to such a design!  laugh.gif )
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on January 31, 2008, 01:30:00 AM
tnx man, i'll try it today if i have the time, yesterday was not good for me, it was my mothers bithday   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

But thanks again for the info. i'll make a picture for you and send it over msn, so that you might have an idea what i have done.


God bless,


Peace out!!
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 02, 2008, 02:41:00 AM
owwh man, i tried many times to get past the blue flash screen, what am i doing wrong????
i solderd the a19 and the right side of the capasitator (yellow thing) and the vcc3.3 got the switch. up loaded numerous times  AND STILL GETTING UNKNOWN FLASH HALTING.  mad.gif  mad.gif AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGHHHHHHHH mad.gif  mad.gif  grr.gif

Someone please help me out here. sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on February 02, 2008, 04:59:00 AM
I'm a little confused - "vcc3.3"? The guide doesn't mention anything about that.  huh.gif
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Movax on February 02, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
From my knowledge, flashbios WILL NOT flash a tsop. So your only hope it to use the three-wire-trick to boot something OTHER than flashbios. If you can't, you need a modchip.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 05, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
it has been a wile, but I'll give it another go, I'll connect the ground point (yellow thing) to a18 & a19 to the switch, and try to boot.

I already have a put an ad for a used xbox so it is a bummer for this one. maybe bye bye to my old xbox, it has been fun for like 7 years i think. ow well out with the old in with the new!!



hope that my old xbox will work and have 2 xboxes 1 for my bed room and one in the living room LOL!!!


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God bless you all for helping me and any other help that might solve this problem will be usefull

PS : i have an ST tsop chip

This post has been edited by whatchawan81: Feb 5 2008, 05:48 PM
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 07, 2008, 02:03:00 AM
hello there, i just got another xbox yesterday (06-02) for like €50 with 2 s-controllers and 4 original pal games and the cables with a receiver without the dvd remote.

so i say to my old xbox R.I.P (means rest Reserve in Parts) hehehe.

So i am now saving to get the X3 CE chip and make my xbox a multimedia monster or is there another chip that is better??

But any how i tried to connect the a18 and a19 to the yellow capacitator, no go.

1 more question, how do i extract my personal game save files on the new one or should i swap the hard drive and is it save to swap ?


I don't wanna mess this one up.


God bless you all and Big thanx to all of you!!!!2



Peace out
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on February 07, 2008, 03:49:00 AM
If the switch didn't work (it wasn't ever a sure thing), then a modchip would still fix that old box. Since you're buying one, why not stick it in your former system, use that to bypass FlashBios, flash the TSOP with something that actually renders the console usable, then take it out?

You could then stick it in your new box and have two working, modded systems. Link them and play eight player Halo or something, maybe even sell one off and see if you can make a profit.  smile.gif

Just to be certain you're clear on this, you did manage to flash your TSOP - multiple times - However, where you went wrong was flashing FlashBios on there.

Most X-Box BIOS types you'll find are illegal, see. They use parts of the MS BIOS and so break laws. Hence modchip makers can't sell chips with, for eg, the X2 5035 BIOS ready installed.

FlashBios is a legal BIOS built to help solve this problem. It's a BIOS flasher in the form of a BIOS. A modchip seller can legally pre-load it onto his chips, and when someone buys them the first thing the console will have them do is put a new (more practical) BIOS in. Whether the new BIOS is legal is not the seller's concern. wink.gif

So what you've done is used flashing software to flash this flashing BIOS into your TSOP. Since it's designed to flash modchips (as opposed to TSOPs), you can't use it to remove itself, and because it's designed to only let you flash modchips you can't load your software flasher again.

If you can make your console boot with another BIOS, that problem goes away... The switch didn't work (for whatever reason; likely your TSOP just didn't have another BIOS in it), so you can use a modchip instead. A modchip essentially over rides your TSOP when you boot the console.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Movax on February 07, 2008, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Bomb Bloke @ Feb 7 2008, 06:25 AM) *

a modchip would still fix that old box.... stick it in your former system, use that to bypass FlashBios, flash the TSOP


That won't work. If one boots from a modchip, the TSOP is inaccessible. (Boot from a modchip, flash the modchip..boot from the TSOP, flash the TSOP.)

Only way to fix it is to install a 29 wire old school chip and though I haven't experienced this specific situation, I would say that wouldn't work either.

This post has been edited by Movax: Feb 7 2008, 06:55 PM
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on February 07, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Hmm... Now that I actually read the "flash a TSOP with a modchip" guides, I see that, indeed, LPC modchips are out.  sad.gif

Ah well.

Even so, if the old box is chipped and the new one TSOP flashed or softmodded, that still provides two working, modded systems.  smile.gif
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 08, 2008, 02:07:00 AM
COoooooooooooooooollllllll.

i'll ask if the modder will do that for me. this would be fun, 8 players ow man , it would be fun. i got 2 halo 2 disks and 1 halo  disk heheehhe.

Must i use a cross link cable or can i use a router port???

and is xbconnect of use??

let me know


God Bless y'all


Peace



PS: i think obama is about to win. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on February 08, 2008, 01:50:00 AM
All you need is to start a system link game. Many retail X-Box games are built with LAN play in mind, so it's pretty easy to do.  smile.gif

(XBConnect (and X-Link Kai) works by tunneling game packets outside your network (allowing you to use system link mode over the internet), but you don't need anything like that for local play. It's a substitute for Live).

You can wire up the consoles however you wish. Either directly with a cross over cable, or into a switch/router/hub with straight through cables.

Better to hook them all into the one network with your PCs. That way they can go online, share files with each other (especially useful with XBMC), and so on and so forth.
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 12, 2008, 02:04:00 AM
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ok, it will be awhile before i could enjoy the xbox maybe next week i think. it costs money you know and my ps2 is not working any more, lens problem. hmmm it was a good 7 year ps2 and xbox fun. i got them both at the same time form my brother on Christmas in 2001 i think.


But thanks for your reply, i'll keep you posted for the xbox.


God bless


Peace



PS: Obama is leveling up  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: Bomb Bloke on February 12, 2008, 05:11:00 AM
Unlike X-Box DVD drives, PS2 lenses are actually rather easy to adjust. I did one once after it lapsed to the point of not reading anything, it's since worked fine for a couple of years now...

I couldn't find the exact guide I used, so I'll recap in brief. What you wanna do is open up the drive and look for a bigass cog like this one:

(IMG:http://www.cyber-mag.com/station/laserimage/whitecog.jpg)

Twisting this back and forth moves the laser up and down. Turn it until the laser is as low as it'll get.

Now what you wanna do is turn it upwards just a little tiny bit (one notch of the cog). Stick a disc in the drive, hold the top of the drive on (you'll have unscrewed it to get inside), and boot the console.

Keep on turning the cog and rebootig the console until you get your disc to read. With that done, try out some other sample discs from your collection. You'll notice there are different disc types - PS games are on CD while PS2 games are on DVD, and there are different colored discs as well. They all read slightly differently so you'll want to test at least one of each.

After each failed test, turn the screw just a tiny bit more and repeat until you've got it in a position where all disc types work. Then all you need to do is put all the screws back in and you're done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Bomb Bloke: Feb 12 2008, 01:14 PM
Title: Bios/flash Problem ( A Real Challenge)
Post by: whatchawan81 on February 14, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
ok i have tried to screw the 2 screws om the bottom on the lens to get some reading, but no go. i'll try your theory mabe i still got a good ps2 years left in this one
thnx