Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: Master-Chief on July 06, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
But wait... there are no diagrams for 1.6 Xbox...
Post by: xFusioNx on July 06, 2004, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: A@ron on July 06, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
?
Post by: ti85man on July 06, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (ti85man @ Jul 6 2004, 06:07 PM) |
| ya... we need some install diags.... someone... pretty please??? |
mabe you should ask your chip manufacturer and/or reseller ?
Post by: Master-Chief on July 06, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jul 6 2004, 06:04 PM) |
| Check the SmartXX forum. That one works from what I've seen. |
SmartXX diagrams work with the Xenium?
So this diagram works?
http://pictures.xbox...ox_v1_6_lpc.jpg
Post by: AE6689 on July 06, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Master-Chief on July 06, 2004, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: lookformeb on July 06, 2004, 01:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (AE6689 @ Jul 6 2004, 05:22 PM) |
| So I guess the scene is back to 2 bios for a while... |
Better than only 1 BIOS without 1.6 support.
Post by: bucko on July 06, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: Bwsk8 on July 06, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (Bwsk8 @ Jul 6 2004, 06:55 PM) |
| ...to bad it doesnt work in xbtool |
*too
and no shit, we dont need to go over this with every new bios release.
Post by: Tribis on July 06, 2004, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Tribis @ Jul 6 2004, 07:11 PM) |
| How come the news section says it only works on xchip? |
it doesnt, read again.
Post by: Bwsk8 on July 06, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on July 06, 2004, 02:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (lenballs @ Jul 6 2004, 06:12 PM) |
| I was talking to GreenGian on the #ozxodus channel, don't know who they really are, but they were very helpful, saying the smartXX diagram will work only for the smartXX chips, not Xeniums. I'm not willing to risk my 1.6 and Xenium till it's confirmed, so can somebody else please blowup their xbox first? Cheers  |
Post by: Chamrock on July 06, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Bwsk8 on July 06, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: spyman on July 06, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
and where would one find the diagrams for something like that?
Post by: Master-Chief on July 06, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Jul 6 2004, 07:19 PM) |
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Thanks HSDEMONZ.. you have tried this yourself? And which install would be best and which diagram should I use for which install? I was leaning towards pin header because it is easier.
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (SLiDERPiMP @ Jul 6 2004, 08:04 PM) |
So.....what's the difference between M7 abd M8? Besides the 1.6 compatibility, is there any reason to upgrade to M8?  |
thanks for reading the nfo, this is m7 + 1.6 support.
| QUOTE (spyman) |
| is the x2.3b lite compatible with the 1.6 xbox & with this new bios? and where would one find the diagrams for something like that? |
maybe you should ask your chip manufacturer and/or reseller (for 1.6 compatibility and diagrams). There is nothing in the bios that will stop it from working on any chip.
Post by: smokeingit on July 06, 2004, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: SLiDERPiMP on July 06, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Jul 7 2004, 12:39 AM) | ||
thanks for reading the nfo, this is m7 + 1.6 support.
maybe you should ask your chip manufacturer and/or reseller (for 1.6 compatibility and diagrams). There is nothing in the bios that will stop it from working on any chip. |
Thanks for not being a sarcastic ass about it.
"this is m7 + 1.6 support" would have been fine.
- EvoX M8 bios
Due to the latest confusions, leaks etc. we have decided to make an official M8 release.
There are still some unsolved matters, so we will release it in two different versions:
* M8.BIN Is a new BIOS based on the latest 5838 kernel, and has the same features as M7, It will work on XBOX versions (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5)
* M8_16.BIN Is also based on the 5838 kernel and has the same features as M7. It will ONLY work on XBOX version 1.6
Excuse me for getting clarification.
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2004, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: Diablov90 on July 06, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: GameGuru1 on July 06, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: NightL1fe on July 06, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (spyman @ Jul 6 2004, 07:13 PM) |
| is the x2.3b lite compatible with the 1.6 xbox & with this new bios? and where would one find the diagrams for something like that? |
just tried to create a 1mb bios for my x2.3b lite chip.. wont work.. X2BM wont reconize the bios to create a 1mb bios.. M8_16.bin is 256k.. and the lite chips uses 512k banks x 2
Post by: Tribis on July 06, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: TeaTime on July 06, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
Scary thought: How can one tell if the bios is the official release or the bugged beta? mean ppl out there...might try to spread the beta and toast pplz boxes...
Post by: Tribis on July 06, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (TeaTime @ Jul 6 2004, 10:00 PM) |
| I think ur suppose to solder it to the header...like first the header the the rebuild Scary thought: How can one tell if the bios is the official release or the bugged beta? mean ppl out there...might try to spread the beta and toast pplz boxes... |
Well the official install guide says to put the header on last. I can understand on the easy rebuild (underside) the header fitting in but the advanced rebuild is done on the top of the board, so the solder would block it. I dunno
Post by: 1nick9 on July 06, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Why are there two diagrams? It looks like they point to the same points, exept the bottom one is on the bottom of the mobo. And it doesnt show the D0 point on the bottom pic. |
there r 2 diagarams 1 for the top of the mb (its harder to do but faster so for skilled solders) and the other for the bottomof the mb(slower to install cuz u hav to take the mb out but easy for ppl that r not so skilled at soldering)
| QUOTE |
| QUOTE (spyman @ Jul 6 2004, 07:13 PM) is the x2.3b lite compatible with the 1.6 xbox & with this new bios? and where would one find the diagrams for something like that? just tried to create a 1mb bios for my x2.3b lite chip.. wont work.. X2BM wont reconize the bios to create a 1mb bios.. M8_16.bin is 256k.. and the lite chips uses 512k banks x 2 |
i think this is the command for dos (can't really remembeer corrret me if i am mistaken) get in to the dir of the bios then do this command
copy /b bios.bin+bios.bin+bios.bin+bios.bin=1m bios.bin
or
copy /b bios.bin+bios.bin=512k_bios.bin
(put the name of the bios file in bios.bin and the name that u want to give the file at the end)
cheers
Post by: A@ron on July 06, 2004, 07:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (undertoe @ Jul 6 2004, 09:55 PM) |
| any word on the aladdin advance 64 working in the v1.6? |
Badvs3vil got it going, he has not posted any details but I'd imagine you'd want to rebuild the LPC using the same directions as located in the Xenium install guide.
Post by: NightL1fe on July 06, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (1nick9 @ Jul 6 2004, 11:05 PM) |
| there r 2 diagarams 1 for the top of the mb (its harder to do but faster so for skilled solders) and the other for the bottomof the mb(slower to install cuz u hav to take the mb out but easy for ppl that r not so skilled at soldering) i think this is the command for dos (can't really remembeer corrret me if i am mistaken) get in to the dir of the bios then do this command copy /b bios.bin+bios.bin+bios.bin+bios.bin=1m bios.bin or copy /b bios.bin+bios.bin=512k_bios.bin (put the name of the bios file in bios.bin and the name that u want to give the file at the end) cheers |
hey thanks man, worked like a charm!
Post by: sacroligous on July 06, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (undertoe @ Jul 7 2004, 03:55 AM) |
| any word on the aladdin advance 64 working in the v1.6? |
from what i know... only aladdin live works with 1.6 ... not sure but almost...lol
cheers!
Post by: MovesInSilence on July 06, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
and formatting from evox dash don't work (evox dash from disc)oh well back to reading the forums
Post by: bucko on July 07, 2004, 02:15:00 AM
Post by: lenballs on July 07, 2004, 04:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (MovesInSilence @ Jul 7 2004, 08:57 PM) |
| Aladdin Advance works after you rebuild the LPC port and with the M8 16 bios installed on the chip. The console i'm working on has 120GB hard drive that's reading 0MB on all drives and formatting from evox dash don't work (evox dash from disc)oh well back to reading the forums |
Did you just connect the v1.6 LFRAME to the Aladdin d0?
Are you sure it booted ok? I can't understand why you are having HDD problems if the Aladdin booted.
Post by: ncaissie on July 07, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (bucko @ Jul 7 2004, 11:15 AM) |
| If you follow Xenium Install guides and rebuild the LPC, all mod chips should work, am I not right? |
doesn't the flashing tool or OS need to suport the new video chip?
Post by: stlunasmitts on July 07, 2004, 08:28:00 AM
Post by: gsgleason on July 07, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (NightL1fe @ Jul 6 2004, 07:12 PM) |
| just tried to create a 1mb bios for my x2.3b lite chip.. wont work.. X2BM wont reconize the bios to create a 1mb bios.. M8_16.bin is 256k.. and the lite chips uses 512k banks x 2 |
the way I understood it was that the lite chip has 1024 of memory, or 4x256k. There are 4 banks technically, but with the lite, however, you only have access to banks 1 and 3 (this corresponds to 1 and 2 on the switch)
Post by: gsgleason on July 07, 2004, 10:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (fierygt @ Jul 7 2004, 03:30 AM) |
| Hey guys, just wondering why universal IGR wasn't added to the M8 bios(for all dashboards)? I love using the M7 and it is the only new feature I would like to see on an Evox bios. Sorry if this has been answered a hundred times. |
I imagine it's becuase evox bioses are hacked MS bioses, and if the original doesn't have extra stuff liek IGR, then the evox one won't either. Its main purpose is to boot unsigned code, which it does rather well.
The X2 bioses are builst from the ground up and that's why they have extra shit in them, like IGR.
Post by: Bwsk8 on July 07, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (gsgleason @ Jul 7 2004, 02:10 PM) |
| The X2 bioses are builst from the ground up and that's why they have extra shit in them, like IGR. |
If that was true they would be completely legal.
Post by: lenballs on July 07, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (bucko @ Jul 7 2004, 11:15 PM) |
| If you follow Xenium Install guides and rebuild the LPC, all mod chips should work, am I not right? |
Yes I think this is true, I have got my Akira2 chips working now as well as my Xenium, just grounded the v1.6 LFRAME point to ground on the chip, so I guess any ground will do.
| QUOTE |
| If I install my 2.3b lite on my 1.6 box, should I be able to flash the chip with the m8 bios no problem? I mean, since the chip already has the cromwell bios installed on it, will the bios flashing sw work on my xbox after I install the chip? |
I would flash the M8_16 bios first in another XBox, then when the XBox powers off after it has flashed, remove the modchip and install it into the v1.6. Who knows if Cromwell is still compatible, probably not.
Post by: lenballs on July 07, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (moomin @ Jul 8 2004, 07:44 AM) |
| I think im being stupid here. I have a xbox v 1.1. There is no reason for me to upgrade my m7 to m8 is there as m8 is just for v1.6? |
Yes thats correct, if you don't have a v1.6 you don't need to do anything.
Unless you want an EvoX splash logo in the top left of your screen when you boot
Post by: Diablov90 on July 07, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: lookformeb on July 07, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Diablov90 @ Jul 7 2004, 04:17 PM) |
| Where would the D0 point be? Or is that the LFRAME? Also is the alternate D0 the same on all versions? |
Look at the install guide for your chip.
Post by: Diablov90 on July 07, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: xnice on July 07, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Diablov90 on July 07, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: heydricas on July 07, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
Somebody knows if 1.6 have the Lframe in place ????? 
Post by: Arakon on July 08, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
Post by: desertboy on July 08, 2004, 03:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (Arakon @ Jul 8 2004, 09:52 AM) |
| considering that the 1.6 doesn't have a tsop in the first place, a "tsop mod" won't happen. |
There is a TSOP all because it's non flashable and incorporated into another chip it's still a TSOP.
It's not certain there's no reflashable TSOP it's only suspected only time will tell.
Post by: ToeFur on July 08, 2004, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: nyarrgh on July 08, 2004, 09:44:00 AM
does the m8 bios support LBA48? and/or which type of LBA48 does it support?
Post by: heydricas on July 08, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: Exobex on July 08, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (nyarrgh @ Jul 8 2004, 05:44 PM) |
| Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, and I HAVE read through the thread. does the m8 bios support LBA48? and/or which type of LBA48 does it support? |
<bumped to the top>
I have the same question. I'm installing 160GB drives in many Xboxes now, so LBA48 support is essential.
I don't want to e-mail or PM Nightshd to ask about XBtool support, he's probably getting bombarded enough as it is!
For now I'll stick to M7, M8_16.bin will be handy when the 1.6 hits Wales, though.
Once XBtool gets updated (or LBA48 versions get released), I'll switch. Might be tricky though, 1.0.22 can't even unpack the kernel!
BTW:-
| CODE |
| ROM = "EvoX M8",0xaa4d0820b932009090f780f0ee1d1b1c ROM = "EvoX M8 (1.6)",0xb6fe3d5cf9df635cbc4e48fbe2b469f1 |
Post by: heinrich on July 08, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
m8 does not support lba48
Post by: javi on July 08, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
heydricas: As far as i understood, you dont ground #lframe, you wire it to the modchip/flashrom #lframe pin.
(i'm not an LPC-expert, but that's what it read).
Post by: Exobex on July 08, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (javi @ Jul 9 2004, 12:16 AM) |
| hey Exobex, what do u think of Xyclops? Is it a flashable device? is there any new raincoat comming soon? |
I won't know anything about Xyclops until I get a 1.6 machine to have a nose at. However, indications so far are that it's not flashable, although there is one possibility that I can think of:-
The chip IS flashable
The chip does not respond to the usual "get manufacturer/device ID" commands, or
The chip has its manufacturer and device IDs set to 09, 00
Raincoat 0.6 or 0.7 would reject these (which it does to stop STOOOPID people adding a flash=0x0900,"Please kill my Xbox - pleeeeease",0x40000 line to their raincoat.conf file)
If it is indeed flashable, a newer raincoat would need an override function to allow flashing 0x09, 0x00 devices, unless the presence of a valid chip (and jumper points) can be determined by further reading of the BIOS from the chip.
In a nutshell: we'll see.
| QUOTE |
heydricas: As far as i understood, you dont ground #lframe, you wire it to the modchip/flashrom #lframe pin. (i'm not an LPC-expert, but that's what it read). |
As far as I can tell, you actually ground #LFRAME. This knocks out the onboard BIOS chip (which needs it), but not the new-style LPC mod (which, thanks to M$'s earlier tinkering with the LPC bus, doesn't!).
M$'s method of stopping modchips has turned round and bitten them on the arse.
Post by: Exobex on July 09, 2004, 04:02:00 AM
One way around it is to get the bigger drive anyway. When LBA48 support is released, choose the "Partition6 to 137GB/Partition7 takes rest of drive" mode, this will let you format the unused section as drive G:.
Post by: Exobex on July 09, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (moomin @ Jul 9 2004, 11:57 AM) |
| I must sound like a complete noob now, but why is there a version for 1.0-1.5 if there is no difference between this and m7? |
because it shouldnt really have been released.
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (netrave @ Jul 9 2004, 06:35 PM) |
| is there a site to download official bios releases? so you dont get a screwed up tampered with one? for the m8 |
#xbins on efnet, and dont post questions like that on the forums.
Post by: GomerPyle on July 10, 2004, 09:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (moomin @ Jul 9 2004, 03:57 PM) |
| I must sound like a complete noob now, but why is there a version for 1.0-1.5 if there is no difference between this and m7? |
Actually wasnt M7 based on an earlier Kernal where as this new M8 is based off a brand spanking new kernal?
I thought it was same features newer kernal! Makes sense to release the M8 since we get new Kernal stability!
Post by: DarkMatter on July 10, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
I've done a fair few X-Box mods and re-flashes since the release of the bios and I've found that on the odd ocassion when turning the X-box back on after a sucessful flash, the X-Box frags.
At first it was happening to v1.4 machines, but gravitated towards earlier versions.
There is no pattern to which the bios will work or fail.
I've tried on-board flashes, as well as programming the M8 in my programmer using WinLPC and OzXflasher. It doesn't matter how I do it, it fails every now and then.
I've tried flashing on the Aladdin Advance's as well as Xeniums.
I've yet to try the M1.6.
Has anyone else come accross this problem???
Regards,
DarkMatter
Post by: anu|b|iss on July 27, 2004, 06:18:00 AM
On the odd boot it frags.
Post by: b-gates on July 27, 2004, 08:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (Exobex @ Jul 9 2004, 11:05 AM) |
| No. It means that only the first 137GB of the drive will be accessible. One way around it is to get the bigger drive anyway. When LBA48 support is released, choose the "Partition6 to 137GB/Partition7 takes rest of drive" mode, this will let you format the unused section as drive G:. |
When I open my M8.bin file in EVTool I get all the usual LBA48 options. I've yet to test it's functinality with a large HD as I only have a 120GB in my xbox. I'll test it tonight or tomorrow as I'm installing a 160GB for a friend however I will go back to a X2 4982 after testing.
I've also never had it FRAG with M8 either. It's only been a few days since I flashed it though.
I'm re-flashing my own xbox with another X2 bios tonight cos the weird IGR in M8 pisses me off. Now you can also reset with
L-Trig
R-Trig
and by clicking down on both analog sticks.
Bogus.
Post by: Intensecure on July 27, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| because it shouldnt really have been released |
WTF is that supposed to mean, really? Because Franz (SmartXX) released a beta version, Evolution X felt "obliged" to release a bios before it was ready? Or that they shouldn't have released the M8 for anything other than the V1.6 boxes, when M7 was sufficient for the rest? Somebody who actually knows, please clarify these statements!
As far as I have tested, M8 is a great bios because it has selective eject on reset, i.e. resets on games and not on CDs or DVD movies and audio, or when copying in DVD2Xbox. This, to me at least, is a good feature. Is it intentional? Or an aberration? No one seems to know, or want to say. Has features that M7 didn't have, I think.
Nghtshd released a great tool, EVtool, furthering the capabilities as per his original XBtool, so that M8 can have IGR and LBA48. Seems stable enough to me. I have flashed my Aladdin over a dozen times with M8, with different combos of fan speed, dash priority and colours and never had a frag. Lucky, hell yes!! But someone who knows more please elaborate on these "rumours" re M8. Was it a premature release, is it stable, should it best be used on 1.6 boxes, or what?
Why the low key release, the "M8 frags" stories, the "stick to M7" stuff?
I await with interest more details.
Post by: heinrich on July 27, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jul 27 2004, 01:34 PM) |
| Or that they shouldn't have released the M8 for anything other than the V1.6 boxes, when M7 was sufficient for the rest? |
yes
Post by: Intensecure on July 27, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| yes |
Thank you, Heinrich, although one could never accuse you of loquacity
Post by: heinrich on July 27, 2004, 08:16:00 PM
although now, thanks to nghtshd and dootdoo, the modded m8's with lba48 and IGR are great, but at the time, there was no reason for the 1.0-1.5 release. The bios's work fine on their intended xbox versions.
Post by: Intensecure on July 27, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| although now, thanks to nghtshd and dootdoo, the modded m8's with lba48 and IGR are great, but at the time, there was no reason for the 1.0-1.5 release. The bios's work fine on their intended xbox versions. |
That's what I wanted to hear