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Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: wongtong2g on December 31, 2003, 01:32:00 PM
cargill what did you flash the matrix with?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Banacek on January 07, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
QUOTE (simonx314 @ Jan 7 2004, 06:15 PM)
I have a matrix chip and to disable I have to press the eject button and have my xbox reboot.  It would be awesome to use an "xbox live proof" bios on my box anyway.  Is there a way to have a non eject fix version of the bios, with xbtool when it is updated or by hex editing?

I too would be interested in this as well, if it's possible. Thanks!
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Post by: Darkmotion on January 07, 2004, 11:34:00 PM
me 2  smile.gif
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Post by: robg on January 08, 2004, 01:42:00 AM
I would like this feature too.  I don't like having to turn the xbox on and off when I want to change a disc as it is not good for the hard disk.  I do use the IGR feature that comes with the bios which is very useful, but this is not suitable when you want to change the disc as it just starts booting the disc again before you have the chance to change it.
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Post by: moistness on January 08, 2004, 01:54:00 AM
QUOTE (robg @ Jan 8 2004, 11:42 AM)
I would like this feature too.  I don't like having to turn the xbox on and off when I want to change a disc as it is not good for the hard disk.  I do use the IGR feature that comes with the bios which is very useful, but this is not suitable when you want to change the disc as it just starts booting the disc again before you have the chance to change it.

Umm, change the disc before you do an igr??
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Post by: robg on January 08, 2004, 02:45:00 AM
I try to do that. Some games it works fine but some games crash with the dirty disc message and the IGR will not respond.
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Post by: ideas_man69 on January 08, 2004, 03:07:00 AM
QUOTE
I do use the IGR feature that comes with the bios which is very useful


just a quick question.. how do i use the IGR?  huh.gif
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Post by: moistness on January 08, 2004, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE (robg @ Jan 8 2004, 12:45 PM)
I try to do that. Some games it works fine but some games crash with the dirty disc message and the IGR will not respond.

Fair point, personally not concerned about the hardrive being damaged from switching on and off tho! No reset on eject is extremely convienient for lots of apps! cool.gif
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Post by: moistness on January 08, 2004, 03:16:00 AM
QUOTE (ideas_man69 @ Jan 8 2004, 01:07 PM)
I wouldn't mind this either.. my 160gb wd doesnt like goin on and off.


EDIT:

QUOTE
I do use the IGR feature that comes with the bios which is very useful


just a quick question.. how do i use the IGR?  huh.gif

hold both triggers and press back and start (also together)

I think back and black work too!
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Post by: blackout_19 on January 08, 2004, 04:14:00 AM
QUOTE (moistness @ Jan 8 2004, 12:13 PM)
QUOTE (robg @ Jan 8 2004, 12:45 PM)
I try to do that. Some games it works fine but some games crash with the dirty disc message and the IGR will not respond.

Fair point, personally not concerned about the hardrive being damaged from switching on and off tho! No reset on eject is extremely convienient for lots of apps! cool.gif

I think your missing the point. The regular versions of bios' still have no reset on eject, it's just that it has to be supported by the application (i.e. xbmp, evox, xsnes9x etc).

The problem that people are having now is since xecuter changed it so that it was a permanent no reset, which is a pain in the ass...
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Post by: chinmi on January 08, 2004, 08:26:00 AM
i just hope future xbtools can support 4980 and EF enable/disable...
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Post by: blinky8225 on January 08, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
i would also like to disable eject fix
the disable live feature seems kind of pointless if i can't get on live in the first place since i have a matrix plus it is annoying when i eject my xbox it just freezes
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Post by: simonx314 on January 09, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
bump
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Post by: simonx314 on January 09, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
bump
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Post by: heinrich on January 09, 2004, 07:56:00 PM
What are you bumping for?
No one from team xecuter posts on these forums anymore, so I hope you arent waiting for them to reply.
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Post by: heinrich on January 09, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
http://www.teamxecuter.com
Post on their forums.
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Post by: sofakng on January 12, 2004, 12:10:00 PM
I have a matrix modchip and a v1.0 x-box.  Last night I just bought x-box live.

I'd really like to use the X2 4980 bios to prevent x-box live connections but I've been told it has the "eject fix" hack so my matrix mode 3 (swap-mode) will not work.

Is there any way I could use my matrix in mode 3 AND the 4980 bios?

...or must I use the M7 bios and be very very careful?
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Post by: djjsin on January 12, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
I will add myself to the list as one who would like to see a version of the bios without a eject hack patch.
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Post by: zuchero on January 16, 2004, 10:14:00 AM
Hi there,

hopefully someone has the answer to that. I flashed my Matrix modchip recently with the new X2 4980 bios, since it's supposed to be Live proof. However, I can’t turn the modchip off anymore using the eject button, so that I can go on Live when I need to. I was wondering
if there are two versions of this bios: with and without the eject fix, just like the M7 bios?

Thanks,

Zuchero
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Post by: openwindow on January 16, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
I haven't seen an Xecuter bios with ejectfix, so you might be out of luck. Sorry.
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Post by: lart2150 on January 17, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
I have used it and ejectfix is still on even with 4980tool
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Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 17, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
4980 has eject fix , to turn your Matrix chip off , #1 & #2 on ON position thats disabled mode , #1 off & #2 ON is enabled.
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Post by: zuchero on January 20, 2004, 08:59:00 AM
Thanks every one for your inputs. Let's hope they will release 2 versions of this bios in the future: with and without the eject fix.
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Post by: Bizarro on January 20, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
attaching external switches to the dip switch in the matrix chip is rather easy and extraordinary convient.  you can enable, disable and flash the chip, (literallywith the flick of a switch-or two).  check the tutorials (don't worry about attaching mode indicator lights).
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Post by: shanafan on January 20, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE (zuchero @ Jan 20 2004, 01:59 PM)
Thanks every one for your inputs. Let's hope they will release 2 versions of this bios in the future: with and without the eject fix.

There has not been a non-eject fix on a X2 BIOS since X2 4976.02. A lot of new BIOSES from X2 came out after then, and I don't see them releasing an eject fix 4980 anytime soon.
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Post by: mavmf on January 21, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
I use the reboot program that the ms hacked dashboard uses as its reboot function to turn off my matrix.
Maybe you can run this with this new bios to turn off the matrix chip?
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Post by: Motley_Badaxe on January 22, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
wink.gif
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Post by: Intensecure on January 22, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
But the latest EvolutionX 3935 includes M7 bios with and without eject fix in the flash folder - might this be the answer? To my mind M7 is as good as X4977/4980.
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Post by: djjsin on January 25, 2004, 02:35:00 PM
looks like xecuter has now officially said on the forums that they will not bother making a bios without the eject hack patch.  Sort of lame in my opinion.
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Post by: danny6869 on January 25, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
Reset on eject is more important to me than blocking XBox Live, so it looks like I won't bother with Xecuter Bios files until they change their tune (if they do).  I am also not going to bother with their mods either, as I think their attitude stinks.  (It's too bad that they are doing to best things with XBox bioses, because while they do the coolest things, they also don't give people choices)

Oh well...
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Post by: Psilocybe on January 25, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
teamxecuter thread about this
if you have a matrix you made a mistake
if you just want it for any other chip you can disable auto launch games in whatever dash you are using and then do IGR and it will not boot the game again, it will load your dash.  you can then swap disks and launch it
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Post by: heinrich on January 25, 2004, 08:28:00 PM
QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 26 2004, 12:39 AM)
teamxecuter thread about this

:/
A closed thread with a dozen people at least expressing they would like the OPTION, and getting turned down.  Would it kill to at least release the info of how the patch the bios to disable eject fix?  It's not like eject fix is a big secret, its been in the evox bios long before x2.
QUOTE
if you have a matrix you made a mistake

Lots of people have a matrix, what should they have bought when the matrix was new?  The x1?  wink.gif   It was the first no solder solution, that sold rather well.  As for the eject to turn off the mod, it wasnt just the matrix (link)
I don't see why someone should now be told that it was a 'mistake' to buy the first no solder flashable lpc mod.
QUOTE
if you just want it for any other chip you can disable auto launch games in whatever dash you are using and then do IGR and it will not boot the game again, it will load your dash.  you can then swap disks and launch it

Uhm, guess what?  Disable auto launch in the dash does not help.  That requires the dash to run.  With a game in the drive and the xbox is reseted with the x2 bios' IGR, the discs .xbe is run before the dash is looked at.  To do what you are saying, one would have to change the boot sequence in the bios to not load default.xbe from disc.

And yes, there is always a "you can do something else instead", and with that attitude we wouldnt have half the bios features that we do now.
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Post by: heinrich on January 26, 2004, 08:00:00 AM
Its not really their code, smo, a member here on x-s figured it out and released the info.  Xecuter has a stable patching routine - used before for patching flags, and through this in as well.
But then again.. they arent the only ones with a bios w/ media patching, so we'll just have to wait and see.

EDIT: you edited your post after I posted, so the above makes no sense I'm sure.
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Post by: blinky8225 on January 26, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
i would like this feature too if it is possible for you implement
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Post by: Psilocybe on January 26, 2004, 07:51:00 PM
QUOTE (djjsin @ Jan 26 2004, 05:57 PM)
ya seems to me that people like Psilocybe have a really shitty attitude about this.  This eject hack fix is not that big of a deal.  every other bios out there seems to offer both a EF bios and a non EF bios, hell the xeThere is no reason why you guys should tell people to buy new modchips, because software is written (that doesn't need to be) that stops features in modchips from working.  On top of that, the eject hack is something that not all people want.  Seems like X2 is trying to force us to do what they want, and if we come up with a reason not to (why we should have to i don't know) they tell us to buy one of there new chips.  Nice, sounds like what MS does. I agree that they have really shitty attitudes about this.  Looks like we are on our own to figure out.


Has anyone tried using the reboot option in EVOX?  is there any change that this causes the chip to turn off?

i'm sorry, but i do agree with teamxecuter and many others that they do not need to support other chips, and from there eyes there is no legitimate reason that their chips would need to include no reset on eject.  my matrix comment was nothing more than a joke, i'm sorry i didn't make that clear, i didn't mean to upset anyone by that comment.  the reason i put the link to teh xecuter thread is so that people could see the developers words for themselves, not just to show all the people requesting it and being denied.
i did infact tell them that they should consider everyone as potential customers as well as have talks with kernel about this issue and other (such as the fact that there will be no solderless x3 chips).  he does not seem to care.  do i see a need for no reset on eject?  no.  do others, yes some do.
in team xecuters eyes no reset on eject is the best thing you could have.  this is how other systems worked such as playstation(with the spring), ps2 (with the flip lid), dc(the code in the boot disks).  so why not xbox (straight at the source (bios)) also?
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Post by: simonx314 on January 28, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
NghtShd?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Psilocybe on January 28, 2004, 05:57:00 AM
here is all the matrix users have to do is follow this, it's not that hard

*edit, sorry i didn't delete the one extra /, i had to cut all the extra stuff out of there advertisements in order to even get the link that i did
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Post by: moistness on January 28, 2004, 05:59:00 AM
QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 28 2004, 03:57 PM)
here is all the matrix users have to do is follow this, it's not that hard

The page cannot be displayed  huh.gif
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Post by: skorchir on January 28, 2004, 06:19:00 AM
laugh.gif  and thats why there isnt a patch for the reboot on eject. anywho.. i dont own a matrix. but you can just solder a SPST toggle switch on the matrix where the dip switches are and mount it in the front of your xbox. this way you can enable and disable your mod any enjoy
smile.gif
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Post by: feflicker on January 28, 2004, 06:21:00 AM
jester.gif

Worst case scenario you can install a simple toggle switch to disable that thing instead of using the power button...  (Then again, if you have a Matrix, this might seem difficult!) wink.gif

Hope you get it working, X2_4981 is the best bios to date imho!
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Post by: chelrob on January 28, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE (Spency234 @ Jan 28 2004, 08:09 AM)
QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 28 2004, 10:57 AM)
here is all the matrix users have to do is follow this, it's not that hard

All we have to do is post a bad link???

Thanks for the help!

I didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he was trying to post a link to a tutorial related to disabling the Matrix:
http://www.xbox-scen...able-matrix.php
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Post by: chelrob on January 28, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
Who are you talking to now?  I don't see any posts from Team Xecuter in this thread.  Just one guy trying to be helpful by suggesting an alternate method to disable the Matrix and another guy bashing him for messing up the link to the tutorial.
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Post by: chelrob on January 28, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Oh, I didn't know that.
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Post by: Psilocybe on January 28, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE (simonx314 @ Jan 28 2004, 11:21 PM)
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 28 2004, 11:15 PM)
Who are you talking to now?  I don't see any posts from Team Xecuter in this thread.  Just one guy trying to be helpful by suggesting an alternate method to disable the Matrix and another guy bashing him for messing up the link to the tutorial.



Psilocybe = Team Xecutor

i'm not really team xecuter, i don't create bioses, nor do i create the hardware, i'm simply supporting team xecuter by helping them with their forums, helping out on the irc channel, and did one "release" when the actual team forgot to release the 4981 that they said they would
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Post by: danny6869 on January 29, 2004, 06:55:00 AM
P.S.  Not everyone installs a larger hard drive and/or runs their games from one.
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
I merged this thread with the other one.  Why?  Because NghtShd has looked at it before, and hasnt been able to do it.  I'm not speaking for him - just telling you what he has told me in the past.
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE (danny6869 @ Jan 29 2004, 08:55 AM)
P.S.  Not everyone installs a larger hard drive and/or runs their games from one.

Uh, just for the sake of balance and clarity, what does that have to do with this thread?
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 29 2004, 06:25 PM)
QUOTE (danny6869 @ Jan 29 2004, 08:55 AM)
P.S.  Not everyone installs a larger hard drive and/or runs their games from one.

Uh, just for the sake of balance and clarity, what does that have to do with this thread?

eject fix serves no purpose if you only play backups from dvd.

edit: typo
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
If eject fix disables reset on eject wouldn't that be the only time it serves a purpose, when you eject a dvd, backup or not?
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 29 2004, 06:46 PM)
If eject fix disables reset on eject wouldn't that be the only time it serves a purpose, when you eject a dvd, backup or not?

uh, no.

Read the nfo for the x2 bios, it gives you are a very good example.
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
I just had a look at the 4981 nfo.  I saw the part about disabling Reset On Eject because of the hassle when changing disks in Media Player.  Is there something else?
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 29 2004, 07:14 PM)
I just had a look at the 4981 nfo.  I saw the part about disabling Reset On Eject because of the hassle when changing disks in Media Player.  Is there something else?

I think you just caught on to the whole point of this thread.  ohmy.gif

EDIT: maybe Psilocybe and other staunch allies of anything that team xecuter decides to do can answer.
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
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Post by: Psilocybe on January 29, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE (heinrich @ Jan 30 2004, 12:29 AM)
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 29 2004, 07:14 PM)
I just had a look at the 4981 nfo.  I saw the part about disabling Reset On Eject because of the hassle when changing disks in Media Player.  Is there something else?

I think you just caught on to the whole point of this thread.  ohmy.gif

EDIT: maybe Psilocybe and other staunch allies of anything that team xecuter decides to do can answer.

sorry, what about me?
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
Me make my point? What is your point dear man?  Why do you need to questions peoples motives and reasons?  Are you offering to hack the x2 bios to disable EF?

And no, people are not asking for non-EF bios JUST because they are matrix owners.  Read through this thread, its very apparent.  Some people simply dont like it.  Evox gives users a choice of a EF bios, and one without, users simply want the the same choice with the x2 bios.  Xecuter isnt going to change their minds, so everyone will argue about it, going round and round circles repeating their points over and over until this thread dies, until 2 weeks later, someone posts asking how to disable the EF, and it starts over.

There is no spoon!
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 29 2004, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE (heinrich @ Jan 30 2004, 12:29 AM)
QUOTE (chelrob @ Jan 29 2004, 07:14 PM)
I just had a look at the 4981 nfo.  I saw the part about disabling Reset On Eject because of the hassle when changing disks in Media Player.  Is there something else?

I think you just caught on to the whole point of this thread.  ohmy.gif

EDIT: maybe Psilocybe and other staunch allies of anything that team xecuter decides to do can answer.

sorry, what about me?

It was quite clear - what is the purpose of eject fix?

Other than to break compatibility with the matrix in hopes that users will buy a new chip, with some luck - an xecuter chip; and ejecting the drive with XBMP, which I believe works fine regardless of if you have an EF bios or not (I believe this was pointed out already as well).
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE (Spency234 @ Jan 28 2004, 04:55 AM)
Although it would be very nice  biggrin.gif , I already gave up on this and switched over to M7.

It kinda sucks that they came up with such a nice feature then ruin it for people who have a Matrix and want to use LIVE.

The thread I was participating in started at this post.  You merged it into this thread.  It was about Matrix chips and xbtool.

I don't have a point.  I was just asking someone what significance their post had on this topic when they said not everyone plays games from a large HDD.  That's when the riddles and the wild goose chase started.  

I have to drive home from work now.  CYA later.

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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
blink.gif

At all....  huh.gif
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Post by: dee_ss on January 29, 2004, 04:54:00 PM
is x2 4977 the same as x2 4976.02?  if so, then this data should be different there.  if only i knew where to start looking at...?
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE (heinrich @ Jan 29 2004, 05:42 PM)
That post was never the start of a thread, it was a reply.  simonx314 started the other thread 2 days before that post. I dont get you. blink.gif

At all....  huh.gif

Okay, then that is the post that turned the thread I was participating in into a Matrix Vs. X2 thread.  Get it now?  blink.gif

I have gone back to the start now and this is my unbiased opinion.  It makes no more sense being pissed at X2 than it would to be pissed at EvoX for not keeping up with Xecuter's pace.  How many of you are mad at EvoX for having such a crappy BIOS by today's standards?  How many of you are mad at EvoX for not releasing M8 to include some of the advancements Xecuter has made with their BIOS?  Or how about this... let's get mad at Matrix for not having the foresight to see this coming and making such a ridiculous mechanism to disable their ancient chip.  Does any of that make sense... just about as much sense as all the complaining about Xecuter’s lack of a No EF BIOS.  This is right up there with all the complaining that goes around when a new BIOS comes out and xbtool isn't updated instantly  uhh.gif

The "X2 is forcing Matrix owners to upgrade to Xecuter chips conspiracy theory" blows too!  If you want to use the new X2 BIOS you don’t have to buy a Xecuter chip.  Any modern day chip will do.  You don't have to buy a chip at all.  Solder three simple wires to a switch to disable your Matrix and you're back in the game with an X2 BIOS.  There are too many freaking versions of the Xecuter going around and too many items that should be included are extra $
ohmy.gif    huh.gif
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Post by: heinrich on January 29, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
QUOTE
How many of you are mad at EvoX for having such a crappy BIOS by today's standards? How many of you are mad at EvoX for not releasing M8 to include some of the advancements Xecuter has made with their BIOS?

I'm not.
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Or how about this... let's get mad at Matrix for not having the foresight to see this coming and making such a ridiculous mechanism to disable their ancient chip.

You missed the code that xecuter released to do the SAME EXACT THING didn't you?

But see, I know the CHOICE of eject fix is important to a lot of people.  As soon as the evox forums are back up, I'll take a screenshot of the thread where the m7 bios was released to beta testers.  My first question was something to effect of "are you going to release a EF and non-EF version, a lot people like that choice".
And btw, m7 was hardly 'crappy' when it was released, it was the only bios that supported the focus chipset, and the only thing lacking was IGR, which is provided by the evox dash.
I don't have a matrix, and prefer eject fix - but does that mean others feel the same? no.

If it is as simple as for Ubergeek to comment out some code and recompile - yes, I feel people have the right to ask for a non-ef version.  It seems that uber is just to damn lazy to do it, as he has the x3 chip/bios to work on (the one that was supposed to be released 6 months ago).
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Post by: chelrob on January 29, 2004, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE (heinrich @ Jan 29 2004, 08:36 PM)
QUOTE
How many of you are mad at EvoX for having such a crappy BIOS by today's standards? How many of you are mad at EvoX for not releasing M8 to include some of the advancements Xecuter has made with their BIOS?

I'm not.
QUOTE
Or how about this... let's get mad at Matrix for not having the foresight to see this coming and making such a ridiculous mechanism to disable their ancient chip.

You missed the code that xecuter released to do the SAME EXACT THING didn't you?

But see, I know the CHOICE of eject fix is important to a lot of people.  As soon as the evox forums are back up, I'll take a screenshot of the thread where the m7 bios was released to beta testers.  My first question was something to effect of "are you going to release a EF and non-EF version, a lot people like that choice".
And btw, m7 was hardly 'crappy' when it was released, it was the only bios that supported the focus chipset, and the only thing lacking was IGR, which is provided by the evox dash.
I don't have a matrix, and prefer eject fix - but does that mean others feel the same? no.

If it is as simple as for Ubergeek to comment out some code and recompile - yes, I feel people have the right to ask for a non-ef version.  It seems that uber is just to damn lazy to do it, as he has the x3 chip/bios to work on (the one that was supposed to be released 6 months ago).

Yes, nobody is mad at EvoX, including me.  That was my point.  It would be ridiculous do be mad at them for being inferior to X2.  But you're all mad at X2 for not providing NO EF, like M7 does.

You take things out of context.  It's not fair to dissect my last post and reply to select lines because the meaning is now lost.  I was purposely being outrageous to make my point.  My questions were rhetorical at best.  I was attempting to inspire critical thinking, outside of the box.

Let’s just agree to disagree.  biggrin.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: chelrob on January 30, 2004, 10:24:00 AM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Jan 29 2004, 09:04 PM)
QUOTE (dee_ss @ Jan 29 2004, 09:54 PM)
is x2 4977 the same as x2 4976.02?  if so, then this data should be different there.  if only i knew where to start looking at...?

Probably at offsets 0x80031350 - 0x8003136B (4976.02) and 0x80031352 - 0x80031358 (4977).

Looks like that could be the spot (or at least a start).

CODE

4976_80031350:
               cmp     ebx, esi
               jb      short 0x80031333
               push    [ebp+arg_4]
               call    HalEnableTrayEjectRequiresReboot
               test    al, al
               jz      short 0x80031370
               cmp     byte ptr [ebp+arg_4], 0
               jnz     short 0x80031370

80031366:
               mov     edi, 0C000003Ah
               jmp     0x800314E5

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

4977_80031352:

cmp     ebx, esi
jb      short 0x80031335
push    1
call    HalEnableTrayEjectRequiresReboot


Can you take the last X2 release that had both EF and NO EF versions and dump, disassemble and compare the two for the difference in bits?  Would that not give you the chunk of code causing the No Reset On Eject?

Or compare M7 EF and M7 NO EF.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: heinrich on January 30, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE
Can you take the last X2 release that had both EF and NO EF versions and dump, disassemble and compare the two for the difference in bits? Would that not give you the chunk of code causing the No Reset On Eject?

There was never such a release.
The only thing in the changelog from 4976.02 -> 4977 is eject fix, but there is quite a bit off extra code in 4977 to just be eject fix.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: chelrob on January 30, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
How aboout M7 Vs. M7 EF?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on January 30, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
X2 4981 reset on eject is working, too. Its doing a cold boot when you eject, though, which is why the tray goes back in. You can immediately press the button and get it back out, thoguh. It also reboots in the dash, which isn't exactly as planned. I'm not sure if these problems can be easily overcome, but I'm still twiddling bits.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: simonx314 on January 30, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Jan 30 2004, 11:31 PM)
X2 4981 reset on eject is working, too. Its doing a cold boot when you eject, though, which is why the tray goes back in. You can immediately press the button and get it back out, thoguh. It also reboots in the dash, which isn't exactly as planned. I'm not sure if these problems can be easily overcome, but I'm still twiddling bits.

great progress, thanks for the hard work
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: heinrich on January 30, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Jan 30 2004, 06:31 PM)
X2 4981 reset on eject is working, too. Its doing a cold boot when you eject, though, which is why the tray goes back in. You can immediately press the button and get it back out, thoguh. It also reboots in the dash, which isn't exactly as planned. I'm not sure if these problems can be easily overcome, but I'm still twiddling bits.

woo hoo
great work  beerchug.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on January 30, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
Update:

The cold boot issue is solved. The thing still reboots when you hit eject with the dash is running. I'm just wondering if this would be considered a serious problem. I'll keep looking at it, but if I don't fix that issue soon and people think this is good enough I'll go ahead and release it as is.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: skorchir on January 30, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
cool.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on January 30, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
There's a rather expensive dissasembler called IDA, but they also have a free version. I used nasm and it's companion dissassembler for the actual coding and hex workshop for hexing.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on January 30, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
There's a new XBtool beta (1.0.18.b1) which will add reset on eject to 4981.xx kernels. I've tested it and not had any problems, but I'm calling it a beta release and I advise caution.

One thing to note, your xbox will reboot on eject even when the dash is loaded. I think matrix users want this for toggling the mod, so maybe that's not really a bad thing, I don't know.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: dee_ss on January 30, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
awesome...
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Memnock on January 30, 2004, 09:42:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Jan 31 2004, 04:56 AM)
One thing to note, your xbox will reboot on eject even when the dash is loaded.

Yeah I noticed that and can't say I care for it.  Is there any way of making it so that it resets on eject in a game, but not in the dashboard or XBMC/XBMP?  Now it resets on eject whenever you press the button.. that kind of sucks.  Had to roll back my bios.   sad.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Psilocybe on January 30, 2004, 11:00:00 PM
QUOTE (skorchir @ Jan 31 2004, 01:58 AM)
hey nghtshd just wondering what u used to decompile the kernel. you got any special tools or recommended apps for modding, debugging, and/or developing bios roms ? i take lots of interest  cool.gif

win32dasm isn't too shabby either

QUOTE
Yeah I noticed that and can't say I care for it. Is there any way of making it so that it resets on eject in a game, but not in the dashboard or XBMC/XBMP? Now it resets on eject whenever you press the button.. that kind of sucks. Had to roll back my bios

bitch for a reset on eject, then bitch once they get it, you really can't win

QUOTE
One thing to note, your xbox will reboot on eject even when the dash is loaded.

does this mean any prog or just the dashboards?
if any prog (including the ones that have the no reset on eject such as xbmp and pxhdd and such) does than this is almost pointless to have.  if you put a disk in and turn on the system it will boot the disk.  if you turn it on then try and put the disk in it will reset.  since it's a cold boot it will then load up the disk.  thus making it impossible to actually rip a game or play a cd or dvd.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: GomerPyle on January 31, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
sad.gif

wouldnt it be great to have Chip Makers also make their own Bios for their products as well!  I mean its like buying some hardware without any drivers blink.gif

Or worse Buying hardware from a company who has no idea how to code their own device drivers!!!
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Psilocybe on January 31, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE (GomerPyle @ Jan 31 2004, 06:57 PM)
Reading through all these 8 pages it seems like more then half the people are not understanding what reset on eject really is. Some are under the impression its IGR
really damn funny people actually complaining about something they have no idea what they are even talking about   sad.gif

wouldnt it be great to have Chip Makers also make their own Bios for their products as well!  I mean its like buying some hardware without any drivers blink.gif

Or worse Buying hardware from a company who has no idea how to code their own device drivers!!!

um, you are being somewhat hypocritical here talking about people saying things that they don't know about
you say that it'd be nice for chip makers to also make their software, what do you think xecuter does?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: ChrisF on January 31, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 31 2004, 07:37 PM)

um, you are being somewhat hypocritical here talking about people saying things that they don't know about
you say that it'd be nice for chip makers to also make their software, what do you think xecuter does?

I think his point was that people buy chips from companies that are absolutely known not to provide any type of bios or software support. They then bitch when another chip manufacturer (Xecuter) makes a chip and software/bios specifically for their chip (i.e. the Xecuter2 bios) and doesn't choose to invest their extra time in developing alternate bioses for people who don't own their products.

I interpret that as supportive of Xecuter.  I'm of the same opinion.  If you always want to be on the cutting edge and have it all - you have to pony up some money from time to time and update.  If the bios you want doesn't work 100% with your chip - weigh the inconvenience against the money but don't expect people to come to your rescue all the time.  If it happens, bonus to you, but don't count on it and don't bitch about someone else being unwilling to spend their time on your problem.  If it is that important - learn how to code and do some work on your own.  That's how most of these innovations happen (most recently the large harddrive hack and the xbox live block - ordinary people working instead of bitching and waiting for someone else to do it).  There are way too many people on this forum that think developers are there to wait on them hand and foot while they themselves sit on their asses <note - I don't label everyone in this thread but this is more of a trend on the xbox scene in general>.

BTW - thanks Nghtshd for investing your time and effort and promptly coming to the rescue again.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on January 31, 2004, 06:59:00 PM
Ok, be all of the preceeding stuff as it may, I've worked around the reset on eject when the dash is loaded. It will still reset with anything else that's running, though. If XBMP is a biggie for you you could run it as a dash, but I'll keep fiddling with it in the mean time.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: ChrisF on January 31, 2004, 07:34:00 PM
QUOTE (Pepto @ Jan 31 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (ChrisF @ Jan 31 2004, 09:36 PM)

weigh the inconvenience against the money

Sad to see that the scene has become all about money.  sad.gif

That is extremely out of context.  I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist a portion of my post in an attempt to lend validity to your statement.  If you believe in it enough to post it, please support it with your own well thought out points rather than try to twist my own statement to mean something completely different.  If you think that is what I meant - please reread the paragraph.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: dee_ss on February 01, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
keep it up nghtshd.  where it stands now, it works perfect for me, as i use none of the apps that will hurt me if it reboots.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Memnock on February 02, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 2 2004, 01:54 PM)
XBtool 1.0.18.b2 is now available. No more reset on eject in the dashboard. Apps like XBMP do still get reset.

Doesn't work for me.  Not on the dashboards, not on XBMP.   I wish Xecuter team would just be kind enough to release another bios with the reset eject disable so that it works correctly.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on February 02, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE (Memnock @ Feb 2 2004, 05:06 PM)
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 2 2004, 01:54 PM)
XBtool 1.0.18.b2 is now available. No more reset on eject in the dashboard. Apps like XBMP do still get reset.

Doesn't work for me.  Not on the dashboards, not on XBMP.   I wish Xecuter team would just be kind enough to release another bios with the reset eject disable so that it works correctly.

When you say it doesn't work for you in the dashboards and XBMP, what exactly are you saying doesn't happen? I just tested it again and when the dashboard is running it doesn't reset, but after I launch an app it does reset on eject.

Sorry if you are aware of this, but the plural "dashboards" and the fact that I know it works for me makes me wonder if you were testing dashboards by launching them from something else. A dashboard is any app that is launched as a dash. If you launch Evox from some other dash, however, then you're just running it as an app and it you'll get reset on eject.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Memnock on February 02, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 2 2004, 11:15 PM)
QUOTE (Memnock @ Feb 2 2004, 05:06 PM)
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 2 2004, 01:54 PM)
XBtool 1.0.18.b2 is now available. No more reset on eject in the dashboard. Apps like XBMP do still get reset.

Doesn't work for me.  Not on the dashboards, not on XBMP.   I wish Xecuter team would just be kind enough to release another bios with the reset eject disable so that it works correctly.

When you say it doesn't work for you in the dashboards and XBMP, what exactly are you saying doesn't happen? I just tested it again and when the dashboard is running it doesn't reset, but after I launch an app it does reset on eject.

Sorry if you are aware of this, but the plural "dashboards" and the fact that I know it works for me makes me wonder if you were testing dashboards by launching them from something else. A dashboard is any app that is launched as a dash. If you launch Evox from some other dash, however, then you're just running it as an app and it you'll get reset on eject.

What I mean is that when I turn on my XBox and Avalaunch launches, I hit the eject button to put a game in and it resets.   I tried loading Evox as well and again, it resets when I press the Eject button on my XBox no matter what.   Same with MXM, same when I'm in XBMP.  It just doesn't work for me at all.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on February 03, 2004, 12:38:00 AM
And I assume you are checking the reset on eject box when you save the BIOS? Because what you describe doesn't happen here and I can't see how it could not happen here if it happens on your machine.

Also be sure you are using the b2 package in its entirety and not just copying the main app to your xbtool folder, because the only changes between b1 and b2 are in the patch files and xbpatch.dll.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Prowler on February 03, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 2 2004, 01:54 PM)
XBtool 1.0.18.b2 is now available. No more reset on eject in the dashboard. Apps like XBMP do still get reset.

Fantastic!  I'm running EvoX and I can say XBtool 1.0.18.b2 works as advertised - resets games on eject but not in the dash.  Great work!  biggrin.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Memnock on February 04, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
QUOTE (NghtShd @ Feb 3 2004, 10:38 AM)
And I assume you are checking the reset on eject box when you save the BIOS? Because what you describe doesn't happen here and I can't see how it could not happen here if it happens on your machine.

Also be sure you are using the b2 package in its entirety and not just copying the main app to your xbtool folder, because the only changes between b1 and b2 are in the patch files and xbpatch.dll.

Yeah I'm doing everything as I'm supposed two.  Tried it twice and no go for me.  Guess I'm just unlucky.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: TheMuffinMan on February 04, 2004, 06:04:00 PM
Yeh, I just updated my bios, and I kinda liked being able to reset like that, now i have to turn the blasted thing off
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Ben999_ on February 06, 2004, 06:17:00 AM
problems would be solved if xbtool allowed the eject fix to be enabled on x2 bios's instead of just graying out the check box.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: NghtShd on February 06, 2004, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE (Ben999_ @ Feb 6 2004, 11:17 AM)
problems would be solved if xbtool allowed the eject fix to be enabled on x2 bios's instead of just graying out the check box.

What are you talking about? As it says in the history: "Reset on eject patch for X2 4981." That's the only BIOS supporting patching in/out reset on eject. Are you sayign on a 498x BIOS you get a grayed out checkbox for ROE?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Joshua Wood on November 19, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
I'm curious to know why you don't want eject fix enabled?
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: heinrich on November 19, 2003, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE (Joshua Wood @ Nov 19 2003, 10:52 PM)
I'm curious to know why you don't want eject fix enabled?

Some people use the matrix chip, which used in mode 3, requires that the xbox resets when you press the eject button. (this is used to disable the chip)
Also, some people use the dvd drive more than others and like the 'feature'.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Morglum on November 20, 2003, 04:26:00 AM
It'd be nice too if there was a release without the LBA48 patch in too so we could manually add it throught xbtool if wanted.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: eyric101 on November 20, 2003, 04:49:00 AM
It would be nice if it could get on live without being banned also! (wish in one hand shit in the other...see which one fills up faster)
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: heinrich on November 20, 2003, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE (eyric101 @ Nov 20 2003, 08:49 AM)
It would be nice if it could get on live without being banned also! (wish in one hand shit in the other...see which one fills up faster)

that is already the case, turn off your chip.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: Cabrill on November 24, 2003, 11:48:00 AM
I just found out that "new feature" last night as I took my Xbox apart, took out the chip, programmed it and put it back in only to find out I could no longer disable my chip to play online.  So I had to take the entire thing back apart, find a copy of my old BIOS, reflash it, and reassemble my Xbox for a second time.  I really wish that it had been listed somewhere that it disabled Swap mode on Matrix chips in the nfo or something.
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: alg20 on November 27, 2003, 08:41:00 AM
thats y u outta b using xecturer beerchug.gif
Title: Disable Eject Fix For X2 Bios'
Post by: manschadow on December 02, 2003, 11:56:00 AM
I don't use Matrix chip, but I think it is very irritating this Eject Trick.

It kinda sucks, when you press the eject button onstead of resetting the xbox, games freezes like shit and you eventually have to turn xbox on and off. What use would the IGR have if you still have to turn xbox off and on again.

Please someone bring out a Xecuter 2 bios version 4979 wich disables the eject trick.