Post by: crashnet2000 on September 03, 2003, 04:15:00 AM
IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT !
Post by: jz28 on September 03, 2003, 05:24:00 AM
Post by: Gudihl on September 03, 2003, 06:18:00 AM
When all is up and running, you can always use another, (much) smaller bios.
Post by: jz28 on September 03, 2003, 06:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gudihl @ Sep 3 2003, 10:18 AM) |
| If you happen to have problems with your dashboard configuration, i. e. your dashboards locks up when configured wrong, this instant ftp server sure comes in handy... When all is up and running, you can always use another, (much) smaller bios. |
I guess thats a good point, but you can always boot from cdrw to fix your dashboard problem.
I think any serious xbox modder has a disc nearby that they can use for an emergency. And this is much easier and faster to do if the pc is in another part of the house, or they dont use the pc much/at all.
Personally I have both readily available in the event of a catastrophe. Never can have too many backups.
Post by: WiKKiD on September 03, 2003, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: jz28 on September 03, 2003, 08:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (WiKKiD @ Sep 3 2003, 12:10 PM) |
| If you don't need the embedded ftp, you don't really need to use the newest bios. So I don't really see what you're having a problem with. |
just folks sharing opinions man, thats all.
Its hard to do that here now a days.
Post by: WiKKiD on September 03, 2003, 08:22:00 AM
Don't take it as a flame that I'm pointing this out, as it's not meant that way. Just a clear and simple fact, if the latest version of any given software only offers features you're not interested in, you need not complain, as the previous version should suit you well.
Post by: DuggyUK on September 03, 2003, 08:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (jz28 @ Sep 3 2003, 02:20 PM) | ||
I guess thats a good point, but you can always boot from cdrw to fix your dashboard problem. I think any serious xbox modder has a disc nearby that they can use for an emergency. And this is much easier and faster to do if the pc is in another part of the house, or they dont use the pc much/at all. Personally I have both readily available in the event of a catastrophe. Never can have too many backups. |
This is EXACTLY what I have.
I have a "recovery" DVD-R that I use to get the xbox back into shape when things go wrong. Its saved my bacon on a few occasions. The first was when my kids updated the dash and overwrote the default dash with the updated live dash ;-)
I now rename the dash as the bios supports i.e. evoxdash.xbe etc and no longer overwrite the msdash.
Its handy to have the DVD-R as its just like a DOS recovery disc and I know i can repair damage with it. Its also got a copy of boxplorer on there so I can peruse the HD to inspect the damage without changing anything. Its something I think everyone should have handy, But i better stop as not I'm going off topic ;-)
Post by: WiKKiD on September 03, 2003, 08:56:00 AM
I'm far from an x2 fanboi. Frankly I think Uber is a dick, and always has been a dick in any contact I've had with him. Aside from that, you have to respect what the x2 team has contributed to the scene.
That being noted. The current bios, including the ftp.. The only updated feature on said bios, is the ftpd. So I am guessing, that x2 will show the scene support they have since day 1, and when there are other features aside from the ftpd embedded into the bios, if they could fit into a 256k bios would be done, sans the ftpd. So you'd end up with x2_4999_FTPD.bin(512k+) AND x2_4999_NOFTPD.bin(256k). Again, this is a guess, but it's based on the example of support the x2 team has displayed to date. And again, this assumes additional features will fit in the existing 256k space available to them.
Currently, however. There is no reason to have 2 releases of the current bios, one with ftpd and one without, because the only difference between this version and the previous stable release is that said ftpd. To release a version of this build sans ftpd, would just be cloning the previous stable build.
My opinions aren't based on fact, more assumption. But it seems to make sense to me based on the previous support the x2 team has given the scene.
Post by: Xeero on September 03, 2003, 09:04:00 AM
It's burned on DVD-R and boots in every Xbox drive I've worked on. VERY handy item and I use it quite frequently.
Post by: WiKKiD on September 03, 2003, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: jz28 on September 03, 2003, 09:28:00 AM
No hard feelings at all WiKKiD.
Post by: madcake on September 04, 2003, 12:24:00 AM
A windows ftpd with 15k size wouldn't work with a tcp stack and whole networking environment... what would happen if you link all the windows tcp/ip libs to that 15k windows ftpd? It would no longer be 15k ... A windows "kernel" has all the tcp/ip stuff needed "included", an xbox kernel doesn't, that's the reason why you have to link all code to the XBE files (and therefore the reason why they are that big)...
just my 2 cents...
-cake
Post by: DuggyUK on September 04, 2003, 12:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (madcake @ Sep 4 2003, 08:24 AM) |
| XBE's get bloated by the linked .lib files. Even if the FTPD code is 15k, the resulting XBE will still be 200+k due to the needed .lib files for xbox network handling and stuff... A windows ftpd with 15k size wouldn't work with a tcp stack and whole networking environment... what would happen if you link all the windows tcp/ip libs to that 15k windows ftpd? It would no longer be 15k ... A windows "kernel" has all the tcp/ip stuff needed "included", an xbox kernel doesn't, that's the reason why you have to link all code to the XBE files (and therefore the reason why they are that big)... just my 2 cents... -cake |
@madcake
Dont you get access to the networking stack out of the box with an xbox?. What I mean is aren't the libs already available via kernal exports on the xbox?. Just like the directx api is there as its included in the kernal.
I'm happy to be corrected if i'm wrong but I thought you get something on the box already which is akin to the dx8; which is why you have to code to dx8 standards as thats whats there in the box. Ofcourse I might be completely wrong ;-)
If it IS the statically linked libs that bloat up the ftp deamon then I do indeed stand corrected.
Post by: madcake on September 04, 2003, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on September 04, 2003, 02:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (WiKKiD @ Sep 3 2003, 05:56 PM) |
| Frankly I think Uber is a dick, and always has been a dick in any contact I've had with him. |
I do my best
Post by: WiKKiD on September 04, 2003, 07:14:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on September 04, 2003, 07:19:00 AM
Post by: WiKKiD on September 04, 2003, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: mrRobinson on September 04, 2003, 10:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (DuggyUK @ Sep 3 2003, 12:46 PM) | ||
WiKKiD, thankyou for the obvious point, and its a good one. However, if there is a new media check or another similar HD check (see then NFL 2004 one?) that requires a new/updated bios then it becomes and issue. Thats what my fear is, the next must-have-feature becomes unavailable if you want to have a lean BIOS without the ftp xbe. What I was trying to say in my original post was that if the FTP .xbe could be replaced with a dummy .xbe (nothing more than a stubb) then all of this would be a moot point. Imainge loading in a 1024K bios into xbtool, stripping out the ftp xbe and remaking the bios, dont think its easy to do, I dont have the know-how to do it ;-( If Team Xecutor could do a release without the ftp .xbe in the BIOS then I for one would be a very happy person. For the record, I have 2 xboxs, a 1.0 and a 1.1 and BOTH use X2 bioses, (one has cheapmod and the other has TSOP flashed). So I do LOVE the work they have done thus far, would love to continue to enjoy their quality work. I know they (Team Xecutor) work for free, but I'm sure they value constructive feedback; if only to know what the "masses" out there are thinking?!. |
yea your first post made no good points but this is the only thing one could have a problem with. For example you can't complain about a bios having ftp when there is another one around without ftp and missing no other features. I think they will and even should keep a latest bios at 256k but without the internal launching of .xbe (which is the ftp server right now) and another that is 512 or larger with an ftp or some other cool xbe in it. There are definite reasons and pros cons to both.
I think "losing focus" is a very poor choice of words cause what they are doing is "making progress". Whether you agree or not with their progress, well in the end we need to be grateful for what they are giving us since we aren't buying it....
Bottom line: I hope they keep a 256k around with latest media patches etc. but i'm glad they've made this progress with the .xbe launched by bios and hope they continue to do better and more creative things with that.
Post by: WiKKiD on September 04, 2003, 10:21:00 AM
| QUOTE |
For the record, I have 2 xboxs, a 1.0 and a 1.1 and BOTH use X2 bioses, (one has cheapmod and the other has TSOP flashed). So I do LOVE the work they have done thus far, would love to continue to enjoy their quality work. |
Couldn't help but notice this.. Perhaps if you'd like more things suited towards users like yourself from a specific team, you could help them back by at least purchasing 1 of their chips, helping fund the R&D.
Post by: theplowking on September 04, 2003, 11:30:00 AM
I mean imagine flashing your chip, dropping in a new drive and bam....your up and ready to go
Just my 2 cents
Post by: Ubergeek on September 04, 2003, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (theplowking @ Sep 4 2003, 08:30 PM) |
| might seem silly, but a format utility built into the bios would be just as usefull as the ftpd imho I mean imagine flashing your chip, dropping in a new drive and bam....your up and ready to go Just my 2 cents |
lol we're working on that right now actually
it probably too big for a bios but we're looking all the same
Post by: explicitlyrics100 on September 04, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
just my random thoughts going through my head...
Post by: jebjeb on September 05, 2003, 07:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Sep 4 2003, 09:07 PM) | ||
lol we're working on that right now actually it probably too big for a bios but we're looking all the same |
this might be off topic
but will x3 have 2Mb like the other upcoming chip
if so is there a chance this feature will fit into it? and if so maybe the 137+gig hack
i think the ftp built into bios is overkill right now and it if future bios are all 512k alot of poeple(cheap mod/matrix owners) will be left behind
i have a x2.1 lite and a x2.1 pro so the 512k mean no big deal to me