Post by: Mage on September 02, 2003, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: stealth on September 02, 2003, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on September 02, 2003, 06:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Sep 2 2003, 10:01 PM) |
| I KNOW it was previously mentioned that it was based on the evox d6 bios, and that there was a media fix, but I don't think anyone mentioned that the media fix was copied directly from x2's bioses. |
Not surprising I guess.
:::sigh::: It's getting really ugly.
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Sep 2 2003, 10:01 PM) |
| I KNOW it was previously mentioned that it was based on the evox d6 bios, and that there was a media fix, but I don't think anyone mentioned that the media fix was copied directly from x2's bioses. |
I JUST reopened that other thread so you could clarify that exact point for me and everyone else.
Thanks.Merging threads now.
EDIT: I had expected this and had posted in the other thread asking Ubergeek to confirm, but he hadn't had not got around to it. I'd like to see their justification for stealing a bit X2's code, too.
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Sep 2 2003, 10:12 PM) |
| Ah in that case lets see what Ubergeek has to say on the matter. A response from dominion x would be interesting to hear also...though highly unlikely to happen. |
They gave a response. It's the moaning and sobbing that's plastered all over the front page.
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:27:00 PM
I think I've heard just about enough accusations regarding the ruin of the Xbox scene from people who stole code and glued it together with peanut butter.
Post by: BenJeremy on September 02, 2003, 06:30:00 PM
Just ignore the "Xecuter2" under the logo.... he added that himself, just to make X2 users more comfortable. Most importantly, he's going to include an NFO, and diss Complex for their poor Debug BIOS releases (because the Evo-X Debug features are better, anyway).
If anybody says boo about it, he'll pitch a hissy fit and leave the scene forever! (or at least until he comes up with another name) We'll all be soooo much poorer for having chased him off.
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (Booger Bob @ Sep 2 2003, 10:38 PM) |
| Why is everyone in X-S so anti-competition, kinda acting like MS. I got the impression than most people on here liked open soucre stuff, so others could improve on it, isnt thats what they did. Though they probbally should have been more clear about the make up of their bios |
You misunderstand...we're PRO competition...but this was not competition!!!
Dominion-X was a couple of guys that kind of stole code from EvoX, definitely stole code from Xecuter, and borrowed code from PaulB...and passed it off as their new BIOS. They lied, and changed their story as it unfolded.
I can't stress it enough...I'm glad they've now stepped aside so a serious developer or two (just like PaulB!) can come forth and make a REAL contribution.
Post by: BenJeremy on September 02, 2003, 06:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (Booger Bob @ Sep 2 2003, 10:38 PM) |
| Why is everyone in X-S so anti-competition, kinda acting like MS. I got the impression than most people on here liked open soucre stuff, so others could improve on it, isnt thats what they did. Though they probbally should have been more clear about the make up of their bios |
IT WASN'T COMPETITION!!!
It was deception. Had they simply stated "we mated the X2 media patch with an Evo-X BIOS and ran it through the XBTool to add LBA48 support" - well, it wouldn't be earth-shattering, but it also would not be DISHONEST.
I hate fakes.
Why are people defending them?
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Sep 2 2003, 10:42 PM) |
| Why are people defending them? |
/me throws his hands in the air...
I wish I had an answer for ya, BenJ.
Post by: Mage on September 02, 2003, 06:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Booger Bob @ Sep 2 2003, 07:38 PM) |
| Why is everyone in X-S so anti-competition, kinda acting like MS. I got the impression than most people on here liked open soucre stuff, so others could improve on it, isnt thats what they did. Though they probbally should have been more clear about the make up of their bios |
Look it is one thing to say you put some other people's work together to make it easy for non-techies, and it is another to pass that off as your own work and act all arrogant. Though once you've been found out you act nice and then 'gracefully' take your leave.
It'd be like slayers saying they wrote the whole program, and then when it was found out they used evox they'd just quit...
Post by: jlm5151 on September 02, 2003, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on September 02, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (Booger Bob @ Sep 2 2003, 10:46 PM) |
| Ok, mabye i giving them more credit than they deserve, it seems like they were trying to improve an existing bios. Ive have seen many post criticizing newcomers to the scene mainly in regards to the dms chip, i know its not everyone i didnt mean to say everyones anti-competitive |
DMS?
Geez.... for one thing, that mod chip developer has been terribly aloof with the community, unlike Team Xodus and Team Xecuter. The great news for them was that Team Xecuter validated the need for modchips GREATER than 1MB, and I think that's been said before. USB interface is also nice.... given the problems with other modchips LPT interfaces.
How have we been negative here, anyway? For keeping speculation to one thread on a mod chip that's STILL not out? Or is it because we gave them an ENTIRE FORUM here at X-S, even though DMS is nowhere in sight to provide juicy details our members are jonesing for?
Post by: Xeero on September 02, 2003, 06:58:00 PM
DMS on the other hand is being a little sketchy on the details. They are also not being very positive about their representation to the public and are certainly not proactive about developing a presence in the forums. From what I understand, they're tough customers when it comes to providing promotions. And yet the market IS receptive to them and they get their own forum because of their exposure in the PS2 scene.
Can you fairly say that the X-S staff kills all newcomers? Of course we have our opinions, but ultimately it's the public that decides who wins and who loses, and even then the best man does not always win.
Post by: Ubergeek on September 03, 2003, 01:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Sep 3 2003, 03:12 AM) |
| Ah in that case lets see what Ubergeek has to say on the matter. A response from dominion x would be interesting to hear also...though highly unlikely to happen. |
I couldn't care less where they got it from tbh
our code is public domain so its fair game - although any old school scener knows you have to give credits - this is the unwritten rule. Anyone who thinks otherwise had a P4 2ghz as their first computer system and thinks BBS is something to do with car Accessories.
What is lame is them saying evox d6 is their opinion of only stable bios. Which is horseshit.
I know exactley why they didnt use any X2 bios - they know why too. Also saying IGR had issues is such rubbissh. It isnt IGR itself that has issues - you just see the net cable crash sympton when using IGR - IGR itself is full working code. And the net cable issue is pretty much resolved now anyway as a non bios issue.
But who cares - its a bios ffs. By having 13 pages of bullshit discussing whos dick is bigger just goes to show how pathetic any game scene can get - it also shows me how lame I can get by getting involved in such rubbish. Why I started to post here this week I don't know - back to work and away from this drivel.
Post by: Xeero on September 03, 2003, 03:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Sep 3 2003, 06:46 AM) | ||
Apparently you only know Executor in this scene benjeremy, you'll be pleased to know some ppl played with bioses greater than 1MB months before Uber and yourself were bashing at DMS for their 2MB flash.... it seems those ppl take care of X2 users more than Executor themselves. STOP Bullshits BenJeremy !! you deserve the scene... |
I'm not sure if you're talking about a 256K BIOS mirrored to 1MB...because nobody had given any public indication of a BIOS larger than than 512K...and we STILL haven't heard anything out of anyone else.
Post by: BenJeremy on September 03, 2003, 03:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Sep 3 2003, 06:46 AM) | ||
Apparently you only know Executor in this scene benjeremy, you'll be pleased to know some ppl played with bioses greater than 1MB months before Uber and yourself were bashing at DMS for their 2MB flash.... it seems those ppl take care of X2 users more than Executor themselves. STOP Bullshits BenJeremy !! you deserve the scene... |
Really? There's a BIOS out there larger than 1MB already?
Where?
Of course I questioned the need for a 2MB chip.... at the time, it was anticipated we'd see a 512k BIOS, but not likely a 1MB BIOS. As I said, Team Xecuter released the FIRST PUBLIC 1MB BIOS, proving me wrong.
As for larger BIOSes.... again, I ask WHERE? You proclaim this as fact, now prove it. I'd just like to see the proof-of-concept to see such a thing work in the first place. We all know the Xbox is designed to copy down 1MB worth of BIOS from the TSOP or LPC, so a release of a 2MB BIOS as demonstratable of the capabilities of the LPC in handling such a large BIOS would be great.
I still haven't seen a single X-Bit sold yet. When will they be out? By Christmas? It's an interesting product to be sure.... but why are there already fanboys floating around taking major offense at a simple criticism?
Post by: Gilrim on September 03, 2003, 03:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Sep 3 2003, 12:22 PM) |
| I still haven't seen a single X-Bit sold yet. When will they be out? By Christmas? It's an interesting product to be sure.... but why are there already fanboys floating around taking major offense at a simple criticism? |
I don't have a clue when they'll be out, but the reason for fanboys getting offended is prolly that DMS Technologies is a respected modchip maker. They've made sevreal modchips for the psx and ps2 and shown that they know what their doing - leave them alone ffs!
And yes, it's true that X-S scares ppl off. The first thing that happends if/when someone suggests that something impossible *is* possible, they'll get flamed. And don't give me any of that "they've got to show some POC before they can claim something like this". What does happend when someone shows a POC that isn't done yet? (...nexgen, first n64 emu etc). You may thank yourselves for the lack of programmers in here.
Post by: Xeero on September 03, 2003, 03:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Sep 3 2003, 07:44 AM) |
| Anyway now after you made DominionX leave the scene I doubt talented coders will share their innovations... |
If we can spare the scene another drama (sans innovation) like the one that we unfortunately had to sit through with DominionX, you can rest assured I won't shed a single tear.
However, if someone has something REAL to contribute (note: "real" does not include stolen an uncredited code), then by all means we'll welcome them with open arms.
And thanks for the comment, Jokk. You can imagine the high regard I hold you in after all these asinine comments, so that cut me deep...
Post by: Xeero on September 03, 2003, 05:23:00 AM
Anyway, I'm glad we could have a genuine discussion thread until you decided you weren't getting enough attention and wanted to entrench yourself in the bog to which this thread had descended.
Since nobody has anything else to contribute and because the thread no consists of me trading comments for witless slurs from joke, this thread may as well be closed.