Post by: ZWinFlame on June 14, 2003, 12:20:00 PM
Are they any plans currently which are being worked on for developing DVD extraction for encrypted movies. Currently I guess all of us use some kind of software from a PC like CladDVD XP or Smartripper ...etc.
It would be very nice If we could have such an extraction inside an XBOX itself. Have been waiting for this feature for quiet a while. Always look for this update in the CVS's but have not seen anything gearing towards this.
The player by itself is a great breakthrough, especially in playing decrypted VOB's
An excellent piece of app.
dvd encryption extraction !
Post by: mingwingming on June 14, 2003, 02:01:00 PM
My Main XBMP Wants below...
1. Audio cds to mp3 or wma
2. file manager
3. Also Thumbnails for games is a big big pain in the arse, they are too small IMHO aswell as taking along time to load should you flatten the hierachy, I wish someone would do a patch so it finds the game icons as MXM and Avalanch does.
XBMP Is my Number 1 Dash.. Luv it.. Just hope they can do something about thumbnails so that my freinds who are gamers!! can enjoy it more...
Post by: Jse on June 14, 2003, 05:00:00 PM
Post by: ZWinFlame on June 14, 2003, 08:04:00 PM
Any news by the devs on its progress. I had read somewhere (on another forum) that they are working on it, but havent heard in a while.
Anyways, thanks guys for your views on this.. !
Post by: Jse on June 15, 2003, 03:43:00 AM
they dont release compiled binarys only source code
if they were to implement deCSS it would mean letting every counry have it cept america which would never happen so it wont be implemented
Post by: ZWinFlame on June 15, 2003, 08:24:00 AM
Please refrain from using foul language here. It can be a debate if xbmp is legal or not, however currently running any unsigned code on xbox is considered Illegal by M$. Therefore the whole point of publishing source codes does not entirely make the product legal.
I personally really appreciate the efforts of the dev's to create such a robust product. Just wish they could go a step further to get the decryption part completed..
Post by: Jse on June 15, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Hollowpoint on June 17, 2003, 10:41:00 AM
If I had all the part in my basement to build a bomb, but never built it... Am I breaking the law. But I distribute all those part to you and you build the bomb and use it to kill would make me just as responsible as you.
Am I defending M$ here? No. I break the DMCA everytime I turn on my Xbox. And So do you...
Post by: X-ace on June 20, 2003, 08:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hollowpoint @ Jun 17 2003, 06:41 PM) |
| But that source code once compiled can only be used on one thing a moded Xbox. Which would mean that the initial intent of the source code was designed to willfully break the DMCA. If I had all the part in my basement to build a bomb, but never built it... Am I breaking the law. But I distribute all those part to you and you build the bomb and use it to kill would make me just as responsible as you. Am I defending M$ here? No. I break the DMCA everytime I turn on my Xbox. And So do you... |
Without getting into lengthy legal debates, I doubt that producing the source code for xbmp could be proven to be illegal. It is a decent argument that the same people who do have it running on their xbox. That would be illegal.
However the producing of source code shifts the legal responsibility to those who compile, those who upload the xbe, and those who download. Which is probably fair. The xbmp team should not bear the brunt of all the users' benefit.
Regardless. If the deCSS is now illegal, putting it in the source code, would not a wise move for legal reason.
As a sidenote; the guy who is credited with deCSS, won his day in court earlier this year, based on the argument that you are allowed to make personal copies for yourself. This is not a valid legal argument in all countries (read: US after the millenium act) but the deCSS hacker was based in Norway.
Second sidenote; certain countries have started following the US on this issue, outlawing Kazaa and the making of personal copies.
Post by: Jse on June 20, 2003, 05:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| As a sidenote; the guy who is credited with deCSS, won his day in court earlier this year, based on the argument that you are allowed to make personal copies for yourself. This is not a valid legal argument in all countries (read: US after the millenium act) but the deCSS hacker was based in Norway. |
yes its true jon johannson who coded deCSS got off under norwigan laws but 2600 who hosted the source got their ass sued off under us law
poor emmanule goldstien http://2600.com
Post by: erexx on June 20, 2003, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: X-ace on June 20, 2003, 08:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (jse @ Jun 21 2003, 01:14 AM) | ||
yes its true jon johannson who coded deCSS got off under norwigan laws but 2600 who hosted the source got their ass sued off under us law poor emmanule goldstien http://2600.com |
my point exactly.
Post by: vietzta on June 25, 2003, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: desertboy on June 25, 2003, 06:41:00 AM
It doesn't have to be implemented by the XBMP team and I doubt they would but they're are plenty of capable coders out their who might.
Depending where XBMP is hosted (Germany is it?) would depend on whether they could offer the function with the source they offer.
Why should the rest of the world suffer just because some american's want to infringe on our freedoms.
Post by: erexx on June 25, 2003, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: X-ace on June 25, 2003, 07:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (desertboy @ Jun 25 2003, 02:41 PM) |
| Why should the rest of the world suffer just because some american's want to infringe on our freedoms. |
It is a valid point that US policies should not dictate software development in Europe. Unless a large part of the target market is in the US of course...
I'd just say that with
+ the tools avaialble on the PC
+ the slower P3 chip on the xbox
+ the added risk of pissing some very powerful players off
(and we know they don't mind spending some money on this)
It is jsut not worth it. Focus on other features.
My $0.02
Post by: ChrisF on June 25, 2003, 08:02:00 AM
I'm not willing to give up XBMP for something that is easily done on the PC (and then converted to divx anyway - who the hell has room for a vob library? Buy the dvd if you really want quality).
Post by: erexx on June 25, 2003, 09:52:00 AM
Two very excellent points.
Why risk litigation and or unneeded attention.
High-res divx movies are almost always a good alternative,
Not to mention great space savers.
Post by: desertboy on June 26, 2003, 05:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (erexx @ Jun 25 2003, 06:52 PM) |
| ChrisF and X-ace Two very excellent points. Why risk litigation and or unneeded attention. High-res divx movies are almost always a good alternative, Not to mention great space savers. |
That's why I doubt the XBMP team would implement this but being open source anyone can add it to a build of xbmp. I don't know if anyone will that's a different question but no one can stop someone adding this feature if they want to.
I think a standalone xbox program would probably be a better idea but it would be a real shame if they weren't to add WMA/MP3 ripping to XBMP.
My dashboard refuses to rip audio cd's anymore so short of ripping on my pc and sending them to e:/whatever I can't have a custm soundtrack for games.
Dash works fine other than that.
Post by: X-ace on June 26, 2003, 05:30:00 AM
Indeed, I wouldn't mind if we did not see a single feature being added for a few months, and isntead just focused on bugs and performance for a while. (Not that there are so many bugs, but all apps eventually suffer scope creep, and it'd be better to have the core perfect before adding all sorts of do-dads.)