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Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: stastuffis on January 04, 2003, 03:23:00 PM
I read the article and downloaded it and also spread the news to some others at different forums that I visit.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 03:25:00 PM
what is it?
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 03:36:00 PM
ah, nevermind.  so, uhm....do we want to do the rsa challenge or xbox challenge?

also, can we run it on several computers with the same username?
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 03:49:00 PM
btw, it's probably not good to install the program on 150 of my universities computers, right?
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 04:08:00 PM
hey, uhmm...what's the average MOPS you get?  mine is between 6,500,000 to 7,000,000.  what do you guys get?  just want to know if i'm doing it right.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: XanTium on January 04, 2003, 05:08:00 PM
join the "Xbox-Scene.com" Team :-)
Settings>User Information

yes you can run the program with same username of several pc's.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 06:38:00 PM
ok, dude, that program statistics are bullshit!  a guy with a 600mhz pc gets 100x more packets done than someone with a 2.5ghz pc!  it's happening in my own home!  the cpu speed determines the type/length of the code it has to resolve.  it takes about 1.8 seconds to decypher something on my 600mhz pc, and about 20 minutes on my 2.4ghz.  that is bullshit.  it gives recognition to the wrong people, and may piss some people off so bad they'll stop using the program.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: Nakor on January 04, 2003, 07:40:00 PM
It's always been the same with distributed processing clients, or at least all of them that I've used so far.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 07:43:00 PM
QUOTE (stastuffis @ Jan 5 2003, 02:09 AM)
QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Jan 5 2003, 01:38 AM)
ok, dude, that program statistics are bullshit!  a guy with a 600mhz pc gets 100x more packets done than someone with a 2.5ghz pc!  it's happening in my own home!  the cpu speed determines the type/length of the code it has to resolve.  it takes about 1.8 seconds to decypher something on my 600mhz pc, and about 20 minutes on my 2.4ghz.  that is bullshit.  it gives recognition to the wrong people, and may piss some people off so bad they'll stop using the program.

Dude, just run the program and get the satisfaction that you are helping.  I'm not doing this to let everyone know I did more, I do it because I want to help out for the cause.

i knew some fucker was going to say this.  but if you have 3 high-end pc's going at it, and see that someone with ONE sub 1ghz pc is 10x higher than you, wouldn't it piss you off?
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 07:45:00 PM
also, xantium, we should really have named our team "team discovery channel."  not joking.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 08:00:00 PM
QUOTE (stastuffis @ Jan 5 2003, 02:09 AM)
QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Jan 5 2003, 01:38 AM)
ok, dude, that program statistics are bullshit!  a guy with a 600mhz pc gets 100x more packets done than someone with a 2.5ghz pc!  it's happening in my own home!  the cpu speed determines the type/length of the code it has to resolve.  it takes about 1.8 seconds to decypher something on my 600mhz pc, and about 20 minutes on my 2.4ghz.  that is bullshit.  it gives recognition to the wrong people, and may piss some people off so bad they'll stop using the program.

Dude, just run the program and get the satisfaction that you are helping.  I'm not doing this to let everyone know I did more, I do it because I want to help out for the cause.

also, don't be a dumbass.  there are 5 xbox's to be given away.  if they are given to the people with the slowest pc's/least commitment, then i'd be vERY VERY pissed!
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 04, 2003, 09:08:00 PM
mine generates at about 1 every 30 mins, im running a 2.3 ghz, its bugged
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 04, 2003, 11:09:00 PM
thats retarded and not fair at all
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 04, 2003, 11:25:00 PM
like i said, i have my 2 pc's.  one is 600mhz, the other is 2.4ghz.  my 600mhz one does between 100 to 300 every hour, but my 2.4ghz does only about 3.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 08:34:00 AM
fuck you.  there's a difference in getting packet sizes that take both computers the same amount of time, but if the 600mhz finishes about 500 pakcets in the time that the 2.4ghz finishes 1, something is messed up.  also, that way xbox-scene team will lose to xbox-connection.

and if it came down to it, sure, take 5 hours on the 600mhz.  why have the faster cpu's suffer???
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: quasy on January 05, 2003, 09:44:00 AM
so what are the chances of the rc4 key being brute forced? i mean, how many digits long is it and how many possible combinations of numbers need to be tested? any idea how long it'll take to crack judging from the statistics? i currently have 7 computers running to help out and just wanna know if it's really worth trying..
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: Scan-C on January 05, 2003, 09:49:00 AM
as far as i know it's a 1024 bit key.that's pretty long but with all these computers and a bit luck......
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: XanTium on January 05, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE (quasy @ Jan 5 2003, 05:44 PM)
so what are the chances of the rc4 key being brute forced? i mean, how many digits long is it and how many possible combinations of numbers need to be tested? any idea how long it'll take to crack judging from the statistics? i currently have 7 computers running to help out and just wanna know if it's really worth trying..

it's a rsa key , not rc4. (bios & eeprom are rc4).

chance that we find it this way are near really near 0%
To check all possinilities it would probably take million or billion of years even with alot of cpu's.
But while other people are trying to hack it another way (stack overflow , ...) it doesn't hurt to try this. Chances are extemely small , but existent.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 10:08:00 AM
uhmm...millions of YEARS, or CPU YEARS?  that makes a big difference because i'm sure we'll be able to manage about 100 cpu years a day if we try.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 10:45:00 AM
LOL!!!!50,000 people running with xbox consoles and xbox live headsets on.  that'd be sweet!
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: BenJeremy on January 05, 2003, 11:47:00 AM
What we need is an Xbox version of the client.

Wouldn't that be sweet? An Xbox running a modchip stumbling across the key??
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: quasy on January 05, 2003, 12:06:00 PM
i think having the xbox connect to the servers to fetch new packets to process might be a problem though..
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: Beantown on January 05, 2003, 12:44:00 PM
I think I read that they have a Linux client which of course, anyone with a mod chip could run.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 12:54:00 PM
how do you figure?  i was thinking of this, and so were many others on irc.  it would speed up the process.  not everyone may be able to spare a pc, but everyone can spare an xbox!
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE (Beantown @ Jan 5 2003, 07:44 PM)
I think I read that they have a Linux client which of course, anyone with a mod chip could run.

that should be everyone with a:

-modchip
-hard drive
-usb cable mod
-a lot of time
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 05, 2003, 03:52:00 PM
oh and i think that neo should have a seperate status board for the higher end cpus.  that way we could still do the more complex problems and have a chance at winning.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 06:23:00 PM
yeah.  otherwise the 5 top people thing is shit.  of course, we have a better chance of unlocking the key to winning the final prize, but we shouldn't be excluded from the 5 xbox's if we have good pc's that are dedicated.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: crackz0r on January 05, 2003, 06:47:00 PM
QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Jan 6 2003, 02:23 AM)
yeah.  otherwise the 5 top people thing is shit.  of course, we have a better chance of unlocking the key to winning the final prize, but we shouldn't be excluded from the 5 xbox's if we have good pc's that are dedicated.

*shrug* i already have an xbox. the key is what's important imo.. anyway.. i'm running it on 2 machines, one is a 500 celly and the other a athlonxp 1800+, and the athlon is finishing more than the celly.. so i don't see a prob..
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
QUOTE (CaliSurfer008 @ Jan 6 2003, 01:47 AM)
I just installed it and got it running...how can i tell if its working?? i put a screenshot...wut does all that shit mean? It just stays like that...the progress bar isnt working? Wut is MOPS and all that...also...wut are CPU years?
user posted image

click on settings-->preferences.   on the first sliding bar you see, move it over to 70 percent for comfort level, 90 for dual purpose [support neo and work on pc] and 100 is pretty much all dedicated to neo, except for very basic work like msword, internet explore, icq, and such.  no video editing, macromedia flash, games, or shit.

also, set "neo client priority level" to normal.

also fill in your personal informatio.  Settings-->user information.

if it still didn't work, let us know.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 05, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
well how will i know its "workin" i filled in all that stuff and still the same
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 05, 2003, 06:56:00 PM
wut r MOPS
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 05, 2003, 07:00:00 PM
Now I'm getting an average of about half a million
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on January 05, 2003, 07:05:00 PM
on average i get 6.5million MOPS.

on a 2.4ghz.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: spyd4r on January 05, 2003, 08:00:00 PM
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Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: Osiris on January 05, 2003, 10:20:00 PM
About 30min for me to get one too. I'm running a pentium 4 2.4ghz
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 05, 2003, 11:38:00 PM
user posted image

AMD 1.4 Ghz 512MB - 30Min for one XBOX Packet!
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 06, 2003, 05:04:00 PM
LOL, sorry xbox community but i am not going to run this program because i am sure that i am not helping much by giving 20 or so keys when most are giving in the thousands.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: XanTium on January 06, 2003, 05:05:00 PM
the slow one are the right one ...
Dunno what's wrong with those guys doing 100's per hour - I hope they will fix it soon , or atleast give more info about the issue.

btw: I want to thank you all for joining our team and reaching already 1.3727years of cpu-time!

For now , don't look at the #packets , it's complete bs.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: waz on January 07, 2003, 05:52:00 AM
well it didnt last long huh they spouted legal mumbo jumbo at the start then caved in tut tut.

Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: rooicity on January 07, 2003, 05:54:00 AM
better close this topic ..

Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: stratjakt on January 07, 2003, 08:37:00 AM
There's more to the xDVD protection scheme than just a signed .xbe.  If you look at the layout tools in the dev kit, you see all the reserved blocks for security and whatnot.  It won't just boot a signed xbe off of a CD-R, AFAIK.

It reminds me of the PSX scheme of using some 'bad blocks' that cant be replicated on consumer equipment.  

You could maybe temporarily mod with an xecuter, copy linux to the HDD, then remove the mod - but you can't replace/change the xbox BIOS in RAM so you'd never be able to boot backups or homebrewed stuff off of disc.  So if you have to mod to copy an xbe to the HDD, why not just flash the TSOP anyways?

Now, what's my point?  Ask yourself who would benefit from the key being released?  Big-time commercial piracy.  You'd need a real press to replicate xDVDs - the kind the big Hong Kong pirates have.  So they can flood the streets with silvers of Halo that run on unmodified consoles.  Believe me, this would be BAD BAD BAD BAD for all of us.  Not only would it likely shorten xbox' life (like it did dreamcast's), but it makes every modder/hacker look like they're in cahoots with organized criminal elements.

A small hacker/modding community can be tolerated.  Large-scale piracy wont be.

Anything the average guy like us could do with the key would mean modding, copying something to HDD, then removing the mod - kinda pointless.

Anyhow, that's just my .02
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: BenJeremy on January 07, 2003, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE (stratjakt @ Jan 7 2003, 11:37 AM)
There's more to the xDVD protection scheme than just a signed .xbe.  If you look at the layout tools in the dev kit, you see all the reserved blocks for security and whatnot.  It won't just boot a signed xbe off of a CD-R, AFAIK.

It reminds me of the PSX scheme of using some 'bad blocks' that cant be replicated on consumer equipment.  

You could maybe temporarily mod with an xecuter, copy linux to the HDD, then remove the mod - but you can't replace/change the xbox BIOS in RAM so you'd never be able to boot backups or homebrewed stuff off of disc.  So if you have to mod to copy an xbe to the HDD, why not just flash the TSOP anyways?

Now, what's my point?  Ask yourself who would benefit from the key being released?  Big-time commercial piracy.  You'd need a real press to replicate xDVDs - the kind the big Hong Kong pirates have.  So they can flood the streets with silvers of Halo that run on unmodified consoles.  Believe me, this would be BAD BAD BAD BAD for all of us.  Not only would it likely shorten xbox' life (like it did dreamcast's), but it makes every modder/hacker look like they're in cahoots with organized criminal elements.

A small hacker/modding community can be tolerated.  Large-scale piracy wont be.

Anything the average guy like us could do with the key would mean modding, copying something to HDD, then removing the mod - kinda pointless.

Anyhow, that's just my .02

Actually, the security "stuff" simply proves to the Xbox that the disc is a specific type of media, and the xbe is SIGNED FOR THAT MEDIA. Changing the media type, so that the program can run from a DVD-R, for example, changes the key.

So getting the private key would certainly enable us to run apps. The apps could be given a media flags value of 0x80ffffff (all media types) then re-signed for a valid key. The software could then be legitimately run from ANY media, HD, DVD-R, CD-RW, memory card, etc... on an unmodified Xbox.

What the 'security stuff' does is prevent HK priates from mass duplicating Xbox games.
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 08, 2003, 08:42:00 PM
bump, its back, download not ready tho
Title: Everyone Run The Neo Program
Post by: foocankill on January 08, 2003, 08:48:00 PM
well i downloaded their newest client, its the one for the RSA 576 only, just to see what they changed, and it now runs a lot faster on those higher end pc's.