QUOTE (Ricken @ Mar 29 2004, 09:22 AM) |
i have xbox version 1.0, I've heard that I don't need a modchip to change hd on this version, is this true? |
That is a half-truth.
You need to do either an exploit OR a modchip to swap HDDs (for any version). You can't upgrade without a mod of some sort.
QUOTE (brahm2 @ Apr 4 2004, 06:10 AM) |
That is a half-truth.
You need to do either an exploit OR a modchip to swap HDDs (for any version). You can't upgrade without a mod of some sort. |
Quick question. I am wanting to know if it is legal to install a mod chip into my xbox. I only plan to backup the games I own. I am looking at buying an executer 2.3 lite plus. thanks
What about the 300gig hard drives? I was thinking of putting in one of the new 400gig hard drives but I didnt want to try it without getting some more information about it.
I dont care about locking it because I never use the original dashboard. I have xbox version 1.0 and the latest evox on my xbox.
I hope I can use the 400gig drive in it but if its not possible yet, then can i use the 300gig?
is it possible to put an EIDE hard drive in the xbox?
QUOTE (jerry3601 @ Apr 7 2004, 10:16 PM) |
Quick question. I am wanting to know if it is legal to install a mod chip into my xbox. I only plan to backup the games I own. I am looking at buying an executer 2.3 lite plus. thanks |
I don't know all of the technical legal arguments, but I do know that it's legal to back up your own games on the hard drive. It's legal to buy a modchip as long as the store you buy it from doesn't ship it with a BIOS compiled with MS code - it will most likely be shipped with a Linux based BIOS called Cromwell.
crazyjeet - with the LBA48 patch, hard drives can be supported up to 2.2 terabytes. They don't even make HDDs that big yet
As long as the drives are IDE it should work.
sew3521 - Don't know 100 percent, but I would guess that the answer is no.
SEW I installes a maxtor ATA/EIDE 160 Gig HDD in my XBOX and it works just fine!
Simple question for you all....
is it definately ok to use 7200 rpm hard drives in the xbox nowdays...I've been out of it all for a while.... no fears of burning out anymore?
Thanks...
going to install a 200GB seagate tonight. Wish me luck.
QUOTE (danie1d @ Apr 15 2004, 05:56 AM) |
is it definately ok to use 7200 rpm hard drives in the xbox nowdays...I've been out of it all for a while.... no fears of burning out anymore? |
No fears at all. I have never heard of a hard drive dying from heat in an Xbox. I would venture a guess that at least, if not more, 30% of users who have upgraded their hard drive are using a 7200rpm drive.
I have an original ver 1.0 Xbox that the HDD just died in about a week ago. My question is if I were to get a modchip and install a new HDD would I run into any problems due to the fact that the HDD needs a key from the EEPROM to be unlocked? Also what process would I have to go through if it is possible?
I would really hate to invest in a new HDD and modchip just to find out that I can't use either because I need the key from the original HDD that just so happens to be dead.
My friend told me that since the XBox's HDD is ATA100 only ATA100 HDDs will work. And I was bummed because he told me this after I found this HDD.
http://store.compbus...ax807200-o.html
And then I thought I should ask some pros to see what they say just in case my friend was wrong. So... Will this work?
Thanks.
QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ May 2 2004, 08:06 PM) |
My friend told me that since the XBox's HDD is ATA100 only ATA100 HDDs will work. And I was bummed because he told me this after I found this HDD.
http://store.compbus...ax807200-o.html
And then I thought I should ask some pros to see what they say just in case my friend was wrong. So... Will this work?
Thanks. |
That hard drive will work
QUOTE (brahm2 @ Apr 9 2004, 12:45 AM) |
I don't know all of the technical legal arguments, but I do know that it's legal to back up your own games on the hard drive. It's legal to buy a modchip as long as the store you buy it from doesn't ship it with a BIOS compiled with MS code - it will most likely be shipped with a Linux based BIOS called Cromwell.
crazyjeet - with the LBA48 patch, hard drives can be supported up to 2.2 terabytes. They don't even make HDDs that big yet As long as the drives are IDE it should work.
sew3521 - Don't know 100 percent, but I would guess that the answer is no. |
what does it mean when you say as lons as the hdd is ide it shoul work what is ide?
Erm, well kill me if I missed something. But I was wondering if I needed to back up the XBox OS and transfer this to any replacement harddrive?
If so how do I do this? Does the Xbox use an OS - and is this installed on the harddrive? How do I do this? And if I don't need to do this how do I format the drive?
Also can anyone explain more about 'locking' and how it works? I bought my Xbox with the single explicit intention of modding it, so I haven't even got around to playing with it yet. (My modchip doesn't arrive until tomorrow). While I do want to play games, my main interst is in using it as a cheap Linux file server. So a bigger harddrive is a bit of a must.
All input is appreciated.
GJ
QUOTE (kalmeq @ May 11 2004, 10:44 AM) |
what does it mean when you say as lons as the hdd is ide it shoul work what is ide? |
IDE - Integrated Drive Electronics. The most popular way to hook up internal devices to the computer. Refers to the large ribbon cable and connectors attached to the Hard Drive and DVD drive.
Basically, it's a type of computer hardware. Just like how a truck is a type of vehicle or Jimi Hendrix is a type of musician.
Don't buy SCSI drives - they are not supported by the Xbox. EIDE is another type of drive, and I'm not 100% sure if they are supported by the Xbox.. maybe someone else can answer that one.
QUOTE (brahm2 @ May 11 2004, 11:38 PM) |
<snip> EIDE is another type of drive, and I'm not 100% sure if they are supported by the Xbox.. maybe someone else can answer that one. |
EIDE is Enhanced-IDE.
IDE was developed by Western Digital Corporation, and was capped at 528 MB. Initially, this was known as ATA (IBM-AT Attachment interface). ATA(-1) gave way to ATA-2, which supports faster transfer rates (8 MB/s), block transfers, and also improved the "Drive Identify" command.
EIDE is occasionally called Fast ATA or Fast IDE (though the latter is quite rare to hear), and basically follows the initial IDE standard - EIDE was developed and is promoted by Seagate Technologies (I believe, though Western Dig may have had some or complete play in this). EIDE has different "modes", which essentially scale the speed accordingly with the onboard electronics.
So. For our purposes today, all reasonably recent drives that conform to the ATA formfactor may be considered EIDE drives. Serial ATA is here - though I've not personally played with it yet - and has a different package formfactor (pinout and connection type) than EIDE.
QUOTE (jerry3601 @ Apr 8 2004, 04:16 AM) |
Quick question. I am wanting to know if it is legal to install a mod chip into my xbox. I only plan to backup the games I own. I am looking at buying an executer 2.3 lite plus. thanks |
Well, this is a sticky point.
Fair Use is what you're looking at here.
Here's my take on it - copied off another board that I'm active on (I'm not a lawyer, but
am intensely interested in preserving and researching individual rights as well as consumer rights) ... for what it's worth:
What do I really PAY FOR when I pay for anything that comes on CD/DVD?Typically, the answer is, "
the license". Fine. So, as the media is just an abstraction, I should be able to call up the company and get a fully-functional version that I can either download and burn to my
own media (remember, I've not paid for their media!),
OR I should be able to pay
actual shipping costs and get a new copy sent to me just in case my copy ever breaks or wears out. Even if it's 10 years old. Even if the company has gone under. Because, remember, I paid for the
license, as opposed to paying for the media.
So ... since that isn't happening, let's pretend that I'm paying for
the media that said music/game/application/movie comes on:
Therefore, I should be able to invoke Fair Use and make an unrestricted duplicate for myself. But wait, what's this - DVDs have CSS, and my software has safedisk, securom or laserlock protection, and
I cannot copy it? Hm. This clearly is intended to keep me, the consumer, from making a backup copy - after all, I *did* pay for the media itself, and that *is* where my money went ... so I can also, then, logically use it at more than one place/computer, so long as the physical token (media) remains with me/the computer... right? Wait,
no. Therefore, it becomes clear that our first option, that of paying for the
license is the case. So how the hell do I replace my TSR Dragon Strike floppies that have gone bad over the course of 12 years? Can I call up TSR? Doubt it.
They cannot have it both ways. As consumers, we're taking it in the pooper, and it's getting old. What we
ought to say is this: "you don't trust me to invoke my rights as a consumer? Fine - I'm
done buying from you." ... but that only works en masse.
Argh.
QUOTE (crazyjeet @ Apr 8 2004, 01:34 PM) |
What about the 300gig hard drives? I was thinking of putting in one of the new 400gig hard drives but I didnt want to try it without getting some more information about it.
I dont care about locking it because I never use the original dashboard. I have xbox version 1.0 and the latest evox on my xbox.
I hope I can use the 400gig drive in it but if its not possible yet, then can i use the 300gig? |
Ummm.. nobody told me if I can use a 400gig hd in the xbox... If nobody knows, please just say so. that way I dont feel like I am ignored.
QUOTE (crazyjeet @ May 19 2004, 11:47 PM) |
Ummm.. nobody told me if I can use a 400gig hd in the xbox... If nobody knows, please just say so. that way I dont feel like I am ignored. |
I answered your question on April 8, the same day you posted.
"crazyjeet - with the LBA48 patch, hard drives can be supported up to 2.2 terabytes. They don't even make HDDs that big yet
As long as the drives are IDE/ATA it should work. "
So.. yes, assuming your 400Gb hard drive is the correct format to be installed in the Xbox (ATA) it will work.
Thank you, I looked and saw no post like that but I believe yahz.
Thanks for the info!
QUOTE (Mansemat @ Apr 21 2004, 07:45 AM) |
I have an original ver 1.0 Xbox that the HDD just died in about a week ago. My question is if I were to get a modchip and install a new HDD would I run into any problems due to the fact that the HDD needs a key from the EEPROM to be unlocked? Also what process would I have to go through if it is possible?
I would really hate to invest in a new HDD and modchip just to find out that I can't use either because I need the key from the original HDD that just so happens to be dead. |
I have the same problem. I didn't see a response. Anyone can help out. My HDD is dead making a oud knocking sound (as if it is seeking but louder.)
QUOTE (Bertosai @ May 23 2004, 07:08 PM) |
I have the same problem. I didn't see a response. Anyone can help out. My HDD is dead making a oud knocking sound (as if it is seeking but louder.) |
If you install a modchip, you should have no problems upgrading the hard drive, and you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking the old one.
As long as the chip can boot, you'll be able to boot up to SlaYers from a CD-RW, and format the new hard drive from there.
whats the best way to copy across savegames from my old 80gig hd to my
new 160gig...?!? i have all my originals so the games arent a prob, just the
saves...
Cheers
roj, (i dont have a memory card...)
QUOTE (brahm2 @ May 24 2004, 07:50 PM) |
If you install a modchip, you should have no problems upgrading the hard drive, and you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking the old one.
As long as the chip can boot, you'll be able to boot up to SlaYers from a CD-RW, and format the new hard drive from there. |
I am in a similiar situation. I have the SlaYers burned and all, and I have an x.b.i.t modchip with the the xecuter2 4983 bios...anyways, I want to format a 120gb so that I can use it with my xbox.
First of all, I want to unlock my xbox retail hard drive. How would I go about doing that? Is there anything I need to know before I do it?
Secondly, if I format a 120gb hard drive from the slayers cd, do I need anything special? Like eeprom or something? Or is that obtained automattically? (See I'm a complete noob to this and I don't wanna screw up. Better safe then sorry I'd say)
Choosing between a "SEAGATE 120GB BARRACUDA 7200RPM HD ATA/100 8.5ms(Refurbished), 6 Month SEAGATE WARRANTY" for $79, including shipping, and a "Maxtor DiamondMax 80 Gb ATA/133 7200 RPM" with a 2mb buffer and 9.4ms seek time, which would you choose for $69, including shipping and 30 day warranty, which would you choose?
I think I've read that Maxtors have better compatibility than other drives... is this true? Is there going to be much of a difference between 2mb and 8mb cache drives- is it worth the extra money? and finally, how fast would an 80 Gb drive fill up if I'm backing up games on it, and/or emulators-- would the seagate have compatibility problems?
Thanks a ton.
@PistolWhip
I'm not too sure of the differences between an 8 mb cache and a 2 mb, i'd go with the 8 mb just cause it's a larger number , as for the size, think of a game as 4-6 gigz. I've had a few problems with Maxtors in my computer, but i'm running a 120 gig maxtor in my xbox and have had no problems. I'm planning on upgrading my hdd to something like a 200 gig, so i'd suggest the more space the better, but this is all just my opinon.
can you upgrade the hdd if you only use the non-chip mechwarrior hack?
I am going to use the cromwell bios. Can I swap the hard drive once I flash the onboard TSOP chip? If so, do I need to get a hold of a "slayers cd"? that people have talked about to reformat the drive into the xbox standard partitions before I install linux, or does the linux install process even need the multiple partitions?
So I am going to pull out my old hard drive (original factory drive) and be using the new one. If I decide to go back and play games at some point in the future, can I run raincoat from inside of a linux distro on the replacement (larger) hard drive and reflash with my original factory bios?
Hey chief, yes you can upgrade your hd when only using an exploit, for more details scour the exploit forums.
Today I followed the instructions at http://www.xbox-scen...hdd-install.php to upgrade my harddrive. I first backed up my old harddrive, used the xboxHDprepare proggie on the new drive, installed the new drive in the xbox, booted up the xbox using a bootable evox CD, formatted partitions 1-6 through commands via FTP, and finally copied over drive C and drive E that I backed up from the factory hard drive.
Ok.. I then booted up the xbox, and it went to the evox dashboard... just like it did with the old hard drive. But my problem now is this: the only applications I'm able to run is evox and xbmc. I can't get any of the other games that were previously running fine on my old hard drive to load up. Whats wrong here? Any ideas? To run a game, in the past I always found the xbe file corresponding to the game and would execute it through xbmc or evox. This again is the method I'm using with the new hard drive, and I can't get it to work with either of them. When I run the game's xbe file, it just kicks me back to the evox main menu.
Any suggestions?
What happens if I install a larger hard drive in a modded XBox, then turn off the mod chip? Does the system continue to recognize/use the new drive?
I'm just making sure I have everything straight here...
If I have a ModChip in my XBox, do I need to do any locking/unlocking of hard drives to get more than 137gb?
Will I just be able to use a larger HDD without making any changes to the HDD before puting it in the XBox?
just a random question (not to random), can i connect a USB HD through a controller port (i have the USB female to xbox male adapter from lik-sang.com) and use it as my primary or a secondary storage drive? I would also like to know how can take the IDE cable from the HDD and rig it so takes up the fourth controller port as a USB female or an Xbox controller female port? is anything i am asking possible?
Ok My Ice is on the way, I am about to pick up a HD. However I am worried about xbox Live playing..
If I swap out the HD do I always have to boot to the Ice Bios? or can I use the xbobx bios and still play on live?
thanks.
forthex - As far as I know, USB hard drives are *not* supported.. Pen drives are supported because they can be formatted as memory cards, but I don't think USB HDD's will work. This is something you might want to search for / double check as I am not sure.
ZeonZaku - You won't have to swap out your hard drive to play XBL if you can lock your hard drive. Make sure you buy a hard drive that can be locked, for simplicity. Then, to play Xbox Live, you can boot to the Xenium Operating System (OS), and select to boot the Xbox with the original BIOS. It will act like an unmodded Xbox, even with a modchip installed and an upgraded hard drive. To get back to your modded Xbox, you just reboot the console, and either 1) boot to Xenium OS, and select your hacked BIOS or 2) just reboot, and if it's on Quickboot mode it will automatically load your hacked BIOS.
i have a 250 gig in mine.....i also have a ide external cooling bay
ok, complete n00b here, but by no means think I'm a moron. I am new to the mod scene, but I've been reading lots and getting to know things fairly well. I have a 1.2 xbox, and I just ordered the X-ecuter3 chip, which I should be getting in a few weeks now. I am going to need a lot more storage space than the stock HDD, but I don't know what is the better option. Option 1- buy a 300-400GB HDD and install it, option 2- buy two 200GB hard drives and use them both. How much space should I expect to need if I want to save every game I have on the HDD. I have pretty much every game there is.
HDD
how do i know if i can lock my hdd??? i was thinking of ordering this hdd off of NewEgg but i want to know if i can lock it cuz i do play on XBL. If anyone can point me to a HDD on newegg that 'can' be locked i would appreciate it thanx.
QUOTE (forthex @ Jul 28 2004, 02:03 AM) |
just a random question (not to random), can i connect a USB HD through a controller port (i have the USB female to xbox male adapter from lik-sang.com) and use it as my primary or a secondary storage drive? I would also like to know how can take the IDE cable from the HDD and rig it so takes up the fourth controller port as a USB female or an Xbox controller female port? is anything i am asking possible? |
You can use a USB HD as a massive memory card
But that's about it.
http://www.llamma.co...d_is_bigger.htmNote, you probbaly won't be able to mount this on your computer after formatting it.
Hi guys,
Compete n00b here. I just upgraded my HDD from a 120gb to a 160gb, ghosted data across from one HDD to the other. It's a 1.5, using a TSOP-flashed bios, with the latest xecuter2.
Probelm is, EvoX is seeing that there's 120gb used space, 32mb free (bloody marketing). I can see C and E, but no F. No files, no directories, nothing.
Any idea how I'd go about recovering the F partition so I can get my movies etc back. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Thanx for the tutorials at the top, i'll have a go this weekend at putting a 120gig hard drive in.
A lot of help...thanks.
Yes , it's possible.
You need a modchip with HDD-swap-trick thought. Check our modchip tables ( http://www.xbox-scene.com/modchips.php ) if you are unsure if your mod has the HDD-swap-trick. A tutorial how to install a new HD with EvolutionX can be found here ( http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/hdd-install2.php and http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/hdd-ftp.php )
Ive just downloaded and installed the new evolution-x bios,
would i be able to run a bigger hard drive then 120GB?
Or does it depend on the type of modchip.
i have a cheapmod SST49LF020
Cleaned up this thread a bit since a lot has changed in the last year.
ANY IDE drive will work in the Xbox. However, not all drives can be locked. To date, there has been no connection drawn between the characteristics of a drive and its capability of being locked.
The retail xbox kernel, and most hacked kernels use lba28 (logical block addressing) which limits the size of the hard drive to 137gigs (137,438,953,472 bytes)
Thanks to the great work by oz_paulb we can now use hard drives upto nearly 2.2tb (2,199,023,255,040 bytes)
In order for a retail MS kernel to boot, the xbox hard drive must be 'locked' to the xbox. The hard drive can be locked/unlocked with the Evox Dash (versions 3921 and up) and Team Assembly's Config Magic. Lockable Drives
Because of the nature of exploits / 'softmods', the MS kernel is what loads when you turn on the xbox, so in order to swap the hard drive, you must first lock the hard drive in a PC with your xbox's password.
ok i just bought a 250 gig HDD from maxtor that is a 7200 rpm. my friend has the same exact maxtor that is 120 gigs in his xbox. i was wondering if nowadays the xbox can support this much (250 gig) I have heard that it has, but i was wanting to make sure. Your help would be greatly appreciated TY