Post by: aaronsam on February 12, 2004, 01:52:00 AM
Post by: Burning-Ranger on February 12, 2004, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on February 12, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
Post by: Frogmaster on February 12, 2004, 05:12:00 AM
My Xbox is a 1.5, so I have the Focus chip.
Post by: sirsmooth on February 12, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
Cheers Sirs
Post by: albcool on February 12, 2004, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: scribla on February 12, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 12, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaliSurfer008 @ Feb 12 2004, 07:05 AM) |
| I have an HDTV...but I would need to have the High Def AV Pack donated to me heh |
Dude if you have an HDTV set and not using it to even get 480p out of your xbox, you're missing out on half of the expereince. Gamestop sells used MS HD AV packs for $10. $20 brand new. And if you got a really nice big screen, Monster400x for $40. Check out my original reveiw in the Audio Video forum.
Post by: Gomorule on February 12, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
Let me know if you need another tester.
Post by: Luke on February 12, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
however, if you have 1080i, it's native..
that being said, my rear projection widescreen does support all those modes...
I'm willing to test...
Running XBMC quite nicely in 1080i
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 12, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
Any planned screen adjust/stretching capabilities to combat overscan like there is in the xport emus?
Post by: Loto_Bak on February 12, 2004, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 12, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (unleashx @ Feb 12 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| @-FourDoor-, I will use the settings from MS Dash, and determine the right settings from there. But the latter isn't a bad option also. I haven't use XBMC yet, but I know, XBMP forces the settings irregardless of what you have if you selected that option. It's simply initializing the video display with the right parameter. On screen calibration, I'm still looking into it. I got a couple of ideas that popped up yesterday and I'm going to give it a whirl today -good thing I always have my iPaq to jot it down  . Still thinking of doing it the most efficient way without doing intensive recalculation -though I could do it only once, that would be my last option. |
Sweet. Just keep in mind that if you go with the latter and force the xbox to boot to the selected res everytime the dash boots up, you might end up with users whining and bitching back at you because all they now see on their TV is a black screen or garbled up images because:
1. They selected a resolution that their TV doesnt support, like 720p for most HDTV users
2. They brought their xbox over to their friends house and forgot to change the setting back to 480i cuz their friend doesnt have an HDTV
3. They don't even have an HDTV but thought it would be cool to see what unleashX looked like forced to HDTV resolutions on their old SD set.
Just bringing up points as to why I think XPort never allowed forced resolution settings on startup for his emulators. I would actually prefer the former and let unleashX detect available settings from the MS dash.
One safety/feature request I'd like to see is a 480i safemode boot option where you hold certain triggers or button bombos on bootup to force unleashx to 480i. It could solve a lot of headaches with some of the scenarious pointed out above or if for some weird reason unleashx decides to pick a resolution that your TV doesnt support.
just a my .02cents...
Post by: Loto_Bak on February 12, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
That being said you can still have a problem if you take it over to someones house that also uses the HD pack and it to a res that they dont support. But then you could always use the standard pack in a pinch
Post by: unleashx on February 12, 2004, 03:38:00 PM
@-FourDoor-
That's exactly my thought -some people will find it easier to put the blame on me than finding out what they did wrong.
And yeah, I like the 480i safeboot mode. This way they can still use the dash even if something like the above happens to them. Nice to know the dash still work and the stock MS dash doesn't, isn't it?
heh, I first need to know how it will look like on 720p/1080i. Just an FYI to everyone, 480p IS supported.
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 12, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
But I could forsee not so well informed people out there thinking that component = HDTV and enabling HDTV resolutions...@ UnleashX: 480p works great now on my set. When the dash first came out, I was surprised at how much less overscan I got using UnleashX vs any of the other dash.
Then shortly after that I learned how to calibrate my set even more and reduced overscan down to the preferred 5%.
Post by: Loto_Bak on February 12, 2004, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: unleashx on February 12, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
/don't mind me -thinking out loud!
Post by: Luke on February 12, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 12, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (Luke @ Feb 12 2004, 06:10 PM) |
| Nah man.. if you sell your xbox for an hdtv, you lose all the benefit! Very few other things support HDTV |
Right now the XBOX is my only source for HDTV resolutions since I'm still waiting for the HD DTivo to come out. And yes, it would be a travesty if you have an HDTV set and dont have an XBOX.
@Loto_Bak: Thanks for the info. It should come in handy one day.
@ unleashx: an X2VGA should do nicely for now to get hd resolutions on your monitor with the xbox.
Post by: unleashx on February 12, 2004, 04:41:00 PM
X2VGA is clearly my choice and the way I'm going. Maybe at the end of the month or after I get myself an HD AV Pack. I only have the Advance AV pack currently.
Post by: Loto_Bak on February 12, 2004, 05:23:00 PM
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Post by: littlebeancurd on February 25, 2004, 01:17:00 AM
Anyhow, I was mostly wondering how I would be able to run games that support 16:9 modes like Amped 2 (which can also run in 720p), Dead or Alive:Extreme Beach Volleyball.
Obviously, I'm a newb. I'm searching all the forums and the menus for enabling such functions, but haven't run into much luck so far. It seems the only way is to run my originals from the M$Dash with all the appropriate settings. Is that correct?
me, littlebeancurd
Post by: littlebeancurd on February 25, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
I kind of figured so much, but I need some clarification around Step 4.
After having set up the settings in the M$Dash, then rebooting, can I reboot into a Launcher then launch a game into 16:9 and progressive? Or is it only original discs?
Post by: lotw on February 25, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (unleashx @ Feb 12 2004, 10:31 AM) |
| Who has an HDTV set that is capable of displaying 720P and/or 1080i? Please post here if you want to test this feature, as I have no way of testing it. I was looking at it a bit today and figured it shouldn't be too hard to implement. But I need a few who can try it out for me. It ain't done yet, I'll be starting working on it over the weekend if I can get a few people to sign in. Just wanna know how it would look like and if I need to move things around to look decent. |
I have a HDTV but it is only capable of 1080i. 720p is going to be the harder one, since most projections don't support that mode.
Post by: lotw on February 25, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (littlebeancurd @ Feb 25 2004, 09:51 PM) |
| -FourDoor- I kind of figured so much, but I need some clarification around Step 4. After having set up the settings in the M$Dash, then rebooting, can I reboot into a Launcher then launch a game into 16:9 and progressive? Or is it only original discs? |
The real MS dashboard is only 480i, but 99.9% of the games are 480p, a few are 720p and one at 1080i
Post by: -FourDoor- on February 25, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (littlebeancurd @ Feb 25 2004, 01:51 PM) |
| -FourDoor- I kind of figured so much, but I need some clarification around Step 4. After having set up the settings in the M$Dash, then rebooting, can I reboot into a Launcher then launch a game into 16:9 and progressive? Or is it only original discs? |
Once you have made the necessary changes in you ms dash; your launcher, be it evox, unleashx, mxm, etc will launch the game in the highest resolution the game supports (be it that you enabled the resolution through the ms dash video settings). It doesn't matter if it's a backup off the HDD or an original DVD.
Post by: brightsons on February 25, 2004, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: littlebeancurd on February 27, 2004, 01:16:00 AM
THANKS!
And I'm supposing this works for 16:9 also. Don't answer. Although, answer if this is incorrect.
You people here are LOVELY!
Post by: BOT_toNka on March 02, 2004, 11:59:00 PM
I have an HDTV and i have seen what the XBOX can do in 1080i.
Games run choppy...
XBMC(P)'s text gets too small to read and its all flickery (its still interlaced!)
It's all about PROGRESSIVE SCAN
480p = 4:3
720p = 16:9
I wouldn't even bother testing 1080i.
Me and all my friends have tvs that support 1080i but we dont let our XBOX know that.
Otherwise it wants to switch to it on certain games... and thats no good.
The 480p already looks awsome.
I'd work on 720p for all the 16:9 junkies, if i were you.
Have you ever messed around with bios?
Cause if you could get a progressive bios out there (or a patch) people would love you.
It is annoying as hell to see your tv switch back and forth.
Post by: MetalZoic on March 03, 2004, 07:08:00 AM
MX Unleashed
Enter the Matrix
& Dragons Lair 3D
None of them run choppy (and MXU runs like butter!) but Dragons Lair does
skip a frame here or there to catch up. Unfortunately the Matrix almost looks
worse in 1080i because the tecture quality is so bland.
It's to bad more TV's don't do 720p... Everytone without it is really missing
out. If all games did 720p I'd be a very happy man!
Post by: -FourDoor- on March 03, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
Yes, 720p games/signal look awesome. But not all TV sets support 720p. Take a look at most HDTV sets out on the market right now and you will see that the majority of them DO NOT SUPPORT 720p natively. Lucky for you that you got a set that is 720p, but that doesnt mean forget about the masses... HDTV is still in it's infancy and nobody has taken a clear lead in a set uniformed standard. Take a look at the US networks out there broadcasting hdtv signal right now. How many of them are broadcasting 720p vs 1080i? Who knows, maybe the next standard will be 1080P...
And your gripes about XBMP/XBMC text getting too small is just one of the things that they are working on right now since true hdtv resolution support is still experimental. Plus I do not think there is a 1080i specific skin out for them yet either.
And as far as the progressive scan bios goes, that's been discussed before in the audio/video technical forum up on top... But it looks like the THC dash team has made some sort of progress today with being able to finally edit the colors in the blob sequence. http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=182012
Post by: BOT_toNka on March 07, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
Unleashx should develop 1080i support as most people cant display 720p.
I was just in one of those rant moods. So i must say im sorry.
But i still think 1080i sucks cause it is interlaced and limits your visible fps to 30.
1080i might look great for TV and movies cause they dont go above 30fps.
But i believe anyone with a good eye would rather play a game progressive at 60fps, than play interlaced at 30fps.
We dont spend $1,000+ on TVs to look at a flickery screen.
And on the note to games running choppy...
Games even run choppy in 720p (eg. THPS)
If you cant see a frame drop, then you dont have an eye that would appreciate HDTV/Digital.