QUOTE (psyberxian @ Oct 4 2004, 05:55 PM) |
if the XBOX 2 has a LPC on the motherboard, it will only be a matter of time before a modchip comes out for it....
I bet if you ran a survey... the XBOX didn't really start selling like hotcakes until modchips started coming out for it...
if MS doesn't want the XBOX 2 to be hacked, they would incase the motherboard in a epoxy resin to prevent access to solder points...
-Psyber |
the lpc wasn't even needed to mod the xbox. remember 29 wire mods? and even if there is an lpc port ms can easily prevent the xbox 2 from loading the bios from there.
they can't secure the whole board with epoxy resin too. someone would be crazy enough to sand it away
other than that ms needs testpoints for repair of damaged consoles.
i'm sure it will be hacked. it's just a matter of time.
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The Xenon console is designed around a larger world view of storage than Xbox was. Games will have access to a variety of storage devices, including connected devices (memory units, USB storage) and remote devices (networked PCs, Xbox LiveĀ). At the time of this writing, the decision to include a built-in hard disk in every Xenon console has not been made. If a hard disk is not included in every console, it will certainly be available as an integrated add-on component. |
If that's the hardware, we can make some safe assumptions...
1) If there's a HDD inside, no problem.
2) If not, it should be simple to add an external, USB hard drive.
3) It should also be simple to support booting from USB disks in the BIOS of whatever mod chips are designed.
The Xbox2 is less of a PC than the original, but really only becase of its CPU (based on PowerPC rather than x86). However, as long as people have screwdrivers and it remains based, however loosely, on standard PC technology (like USB), it'll remain quite hackable. I'd kinda prefer having the hard drive as an external unit. It makes it damn easy to tweak the data by hooking it to a computer, and it's also easy to take it to a friend's house. You also won't void your warranty, or have to put up with various annoying forms of encryption and other inept hackproofing.
It would be nice to find a way to bootstrap the sucker from a USB Hard Disk without actually using a mod chip. All it takes is a good, solid bug in the default code somewhere (and hey, it's MS, so you know there will be plenty), and one could create a CD-ROM that exploits it and simply transfers control out to the hard disk. No more voiding warranties or dealing with "illegal" hardware hacks and other such crap. If you want to play the hacked one, you hook up a hard disk, pop in the hack boot cd, and you're off.
Time will tell.
i dont know anything but atleast read to here. lol
anyway i was reading this crap and thought about ahow u cant realy read the xbox HDD on a PC, atleast i never got it to work............ lol
could they possibly make a new file system? like how we have FAT and NFTS? like i know a 95 machine cannot read a NFTS partition. so i think if they do realese ANY kind of HDD internal or external there is gonna be a giant kicker. like they will have it rock solid so we'll all be screwed. wel not really cause M$ is really dumb but i just wanted to see wut u guys thought abotu that. who knows, u guys mite think that this makes sense! lol.
If MS was smart, they'd make it easily hacked. Just look at how many people are online in this message board every minute. Thats millions of people who most likely just bought their xbox to mod it. If most of you guys are like me, I bought a couple of games to go along with the xbox too, while I was doing research on modchips. I would have never bought an xbox if you couldn't have modded it.
QUOTE (Myxi2001 @ Oct 6 2004, 08:32 AM) |
When is the Xbox 2 out? |
Next Thursday.
I think that the xbox2 will not come with a hard drive but it will be an exrta feature that can be added on.
I assume that the next Xbox will be alot harder to mod, reason being MS is probably aware of the current amount of modders, out there. But as you know.. "Where theres a will, theres a mod" So its bound to be modded eventually.
QUOTE (Shadowblade @ Oct 10 2004, 09:04 PM) |
If MS was smart, they'd make it easily hacked. Just look at how many people are online in this message board every minute. Thats millions of people who most likely just bought their xbox to mod it. If most of you guys are like me, I bought a couple of games to go along with the xbox too, while I was doing research on modchips. I would have never bought an xbox if you couldn't have modded it. |
i agree entirely, i would never have bought an xbox (much less 3 of them) if it wasnt for modchips (and this site). you wonder why MS put a area where the bios passes throught the mother board unencoded? cause they just dont care if we mod them
their biggest problem everyone thinks, and they claim, is that there are certain people who pirate the games, go to blockbuster or hollywood video, rent the game, save it to their hdd, ect ect. the truth is, MS doesnt loose that much money on that because their main source of income on the xbox is two things, the console, and the liscensing to independant corperations that make the games. MS claims to loose money to piracy and the such, but it doenst affect them that badly, just the video game programmers.
ok i don't know much about pcs heh.. but if the xbox two is build pretty much the same way xbox is built.. doesn't that mean there could be IDE or some form of it on the mobo.. so we can flash the bios to tell it to read a hard drive?
QUOTE (thewickedjester @ Oct 12 2004, 07:20 PM) |
...MS doesnt loose that much money on that because their main source of income on the xbox is two things, the console, and the liscensing to independant corperations that make the games. MS claims to loose money to piracy and the such, but it doenst affect them that badly, just the video game programmers. |
No it's not, they lose money on every console and only gross about $10k for signing a developer. Their main (almost only) source of income is the selling of games. They get paid by getting a (extremly large) cut of the net profit of games sold. Every game that is not sold is money lost for M$.
While I doubt the Xenon will ship with an internal HDD, there will definately be storage options for the Xenon.
With said storage options, hackers will take advantage.
My guess is that along with mod chips will come modded flash drives. Not sure how much one costs wholesale but if it is in a reasonable price range, then why not replace the flash drive with an "unlocked" flash drive?
The engineers will not be able to make an completely unhackable xbox and maintain a certain price range, but if they can drive down the percentage of people using modded xboxes to a point where they get maximum return for ther investment, then they will be happy.
! As for the Cd drive, I personally think that MS can figure out a way to not run it off of IDE. Therefore, NO IDE = NO adding a HDD! I know this is SAD...but I think this is what is going to be inside the new xbox 2....BUT HEY, it'll look cooler, right?
All this talk about no hdd, external hdd's is making me not want this thing.. The only reason i got my xbox over a ps2 was the hard drive.. At first i knew nothing about the ability to mod the xbox or anything.. straight up it was the hard drive.. Then the mod chips were a bonus.... I think it'll be really shitty if they mess with the formula too much.. Ps2 is 50% of the machine the xbox is, but with no hd they are pretty much equal.. with ps2 kickin it with more varieties of games...
I think it would be much harder, it seem like this time they are really using custom parts.
Why not wait and see instead of waste bandwith with useless threads like this one.
QUOTE (Shadowblade @ Oct 11 2004, 01:04 AM) |
If MS was smart, they'd make it easily hacked. Just look at how many people are online in this message board every minute. Thats millions of people who most likely just bought their xbox to mod it. If most of you guys are like me, I bought a couple of games to go along with the xbox too, while I was doing research on modchips. I would have never bought an xbox if you couldn't have modded it. |
If M$ was smart they would take a left out of Nintendo since I don't think that anyone has hacked the Gamecube, well the last time I heard they hadn't but there is a way around it. Since there is only 1 way that I know of then Nintendo are the clever ones at the moment.
QUOTE (Shadowblade @ Oct 11 2004, 02:04 AM) |
If MS was smart, they'd make it easily hacked. Just look at how many people are online in this message board every minute. Thats millions of people who most likely just bought their xbox to mod it. If most of you guys are like me, I bought a couple of games to go along with the xbox too, while I was doing research on modchips. I would have never bought an xbox if you couldn't have modded it. |
You DO know that you make money off software, NOT hardware, right? Why would MS allow people to steal software so they can sell hardware? It'd be financial suicide, and not to mention, pretty damn stupid.
thats one thing i never understood, why would they make a counsel to loose money on every sale to hope to make it up on game sales, to me this is pour marketing,
shit in one hand and wish in the other
this is my thought. if the xbox 2 releases with or without a hd, it will have similar aspects to the original. unless ms plans on using a new form of reading their games, they will most likely be using dvd-roms. the insides maybe different, but i'm thinking, with the proper tweaks and adjustments, an xbox 2 would be somehow, someway playable on the xbox original. only thing i'm thinking bout is that the new graphics that the new box will have will make it more detailed and better for the new box rahter than the old box.