Post by: krazyjosh5 on October 01, 2002, 04:26:00 PM
i cannot find a WD 120GB 8MB 5400RPM drive. i HAVE found a GREAT price on a WD 120GB 8MB 7200RPM drive but im told 7200RPM is bad....
why?
im going to go a cable mod
will it overheat? if so, how long?
if you reccomend another hard drive, i need a model number. i need something also that will be readily available at a store (not a discontinued line or anything)
also, where can i buy uncut ata100 cables (the ones used to replace the ATA33 ones)? thanks!! you guys are GREAT!!
Post by: The LumbraX on October 01, 2002, 05:48:00 PM
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Post by: opjose on October 01, 2002, 06:49:00 PM
The oem xbox drive didn't even get warm in prolonged operation.
Some people have marginally heat susceptible systems to start with, and adding a 7200 RPM drive greatly exacerbates the problem.
That said I'm also running a WD1200JB 120g 7200 RPM drive w/8 meg cache, without problems on two Xboxes. I have a third where the drive has indeed made the machine lock up.
After reseating the CPU & chipset heatsink with new thermal paste, the problem went away though.
Post by: BzD on October 01, 2002, 11:29:00 PM
Post by: SpankMan on October 02, 2002, 05:30:00 AM
It may run just fine without any problems. But a disk running very hot will eventually break down.
Post by: UsMarine on October 02, 2002, 06:35:00 AM
Post by: souncool on October 02, 2002, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: WiKKiD on October 02, 2002, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: kanchke on October 02, 2002, 10:41:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Oh, and fyi, as the controller in the xbox is ata33, ata100 cables are absolutely pointless.. Anybody who claims differently is flat out wrong, and anybody who says they did benchmarks and got better speeds with ata100 is flat out lying. |
Well just by changing the cable I improved my upload speeds x 1.6 times
Any reasonable explanation for that ?
Anyway .. I just wanted to play sure no to f***k up my dearly beloved Xbox so I went for the 5400rpm => no complaints here
Post by: opjose on October 02, 2002, 01:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (cadman @ Oct 2 2002, 05:11 PM) |
| There is NO heat problems on the 7200 rpm drives... I have the WD 120GB 7200rpm... no funny noices... no heat problems at all. If you are having problems with some xbox's it is not because of heat, many things can go wrong in a new drive (mechanical or electrically); don't state that the problem is due to heat. |
Eh, no. Just because you are not having a problem doesn't mean that it can't happen.
"The 7200 RPM drives get --HOT---!
The oem xbox drive didn't even get warm in prolonged operation.
Some people have marginally heat susceptible systems to start with, and adding a 7200 RPM drive greatly exacerbates the problem."
The key word is "some".
There do seem to be a few Xboxes out there, that for whatever reasons don't take well to increased temperatures, which the larger hard drives create.
I suspect though that this may be more due to heatsinks not being in full chip contact than to anything else though...
Post by: krazyjosh5 on October 02, 2002, 03:46:00 PM
heat issues, are there any ballpark guesses to which xboxs might or might not have em? (ie ones made after whenever or whatever, etc etc etc) also, if ur xbox overheats, what happens, u let it sit until cool and then go back and play again?
do you think maybe i could just leave my case off or cracked or something during game play?
thanks!!
Post by: krazyjosh5 on October 02, 2002, 04:10:00 PM
(go to the website, go to the 120GB drives, 7200 and 5400, go to Support and Documentation tab and then look on the top of the right column for the Product Detail Sheet thing in HTML format)
5400RPM
Operating Temperature and Humidity
Temperature 5°C to 55°C (41°F to 131°F)
Humidity 5-85% RH non-condensing
33°C (maximum wet bulb)
Thermal Gradient 20°C/hour (maximum)
Humidity Gradient 20%/hour (maximum)
7200RPM
Operating Temperature and Humidity
Temperature* 5°C to 55°C (41°F to 131°F)
Humidity 5-95% RH non-condensing
33°C (maximum wet bulb)
Thermal Gradient 20°C/hour (maximum)
Humidity Gradient 20%/hour (maximum)
* The system environment must allow sufficient air flow.
both caviar drives. the 7200RPM is 8MB and the 5400RPM is 2MB.
i think ill be going with the 7200RPM as money isnt too much of a problem right now and they are pretty much the same heat specs
Post by: DJ Fusion on October 02, 2002, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: GeordieCA on October 02, 2002, 08:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (krazyjosh5 @ Oct 2 2002, 10:10 PM) |
| from the western digital website |
The temperature figures quoted there are the temperature that the drive's environment must be within in order for the drive to operate correctly.
So if you live in near the equator and your operating temperature is 132F you need to get some cooling.
they have no relation to the heat generated by the drive while it is operating.
Post by: opjose on October 02, 2002, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: Nutt on October 03, 2002, 02:11:00 AM
http://www.hardwarea...t/article/1540/ for a comparison of heat, noise, etc:
Post by: MrEs on October 03, 2002, 02:20:00 AM
Post by: opjose on October 03, 2002, 03:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (Nutt @ Oct 3 2002, 08:11 AM) |
| aparently the WD7200 8MB produces less heat than many 5400 drives. http://www.hardwarea...t/article/1540/ for a comparison of heat, noise, etc: |
Are you sure that you are not reading the chart backwards?
The 7200 RPM larger capacity drives are at the top with the longest bars indicating higher and VERY significant temperature increases.
Except for the two WD800's all of the 5400 RPM drives produce less heat.
Compared to the OEM drive, which gets almost imperceptably warmer than ambient, these are producing a fair amount of heat.
The point is that people still need to take this into account, especially with the higher capacity drives.
Post by: SSChevy2001 on October 03, 2002, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: cONEction on October 03, 2002, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: krazyjosh5 on October 03, 2002, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: M3_DeL on October 03, 2002, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: opjose on October 03, 2002, 06:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (cONEction @ Oct 3 2002, 05:07 PM) |
| fuck those stories about overheating problems, 7200 rpm just works great. Those stories began when some noobs were playing fucked up games, and they had some crashes during playing, so they came with the Ass idea that it was caused by the hdd temp. Just buy a 7200 rpm drive, its faster |
No you are quite wrong.
There are heat (and also as pointed out) increased current draw issues.
It may not affect your Xbox, but never the less it remains a consideration.
Also your own sexual proclivities are highly irrelevant.
Post by: opjose on October 03, 2002, 08:33:00 PM
Yeah, tell that to my wife!