Post by: ProSam on February 07, 2004, 12:59:00 AM
I've been researching prices and parts for this project and I need you all's help.
Please provide links if possible.
This is what I've come up with so far. If you can find better prices for these please let me know.
Power Supply: $24.99 PowerUp 400 Watt Dual Fan Power Supply Link
CPU: $219.99 AMD Athlon 64 3000+ / 512KB Cache / 1600MHz FSB / Socket 754 / Link
MoBo: $98.99 MSI K8T NEO Via KT800 Athlon 64 BIT MB Link
RAM: $104.99 Kingston HyperX 512MB PC2700 DDR 333MHz Memory Link
Video: $94.99 XFX GeForce FX 5200 256MB DDR AGP8X with TV & DVI Video Card Link
HDD: $104.99 Seagate 120GB / 7200 / 8MB / 9.3 / ATA-100 EIDE Hard Drive Link
Sound: $162.32 Sound Blaster® Audigy® 2 ZS Platinum Pci Card Link
DVD+-RW: $119.00 Sonys DVD+RW/+R DVD-RW/-R 4.7GB 4X-DVD+RW+R 24X-CDRW DWU14A EIDE Link
Case, Network Card, CD-RW, DVD Drive, Mouse, Keyboard and Floppy Drive: Already Have These
For a Grand Total of: $930.26
If I were to go with a cheaper sound and no DVD+-RW the price would be a lot less and I could do without those thing to get started. More like $687.93 a little more feasible for me right now, but if I could get it cheaper then that AWESOME!
If you guys have any cost cutting tips or cheaper but adequate substitutes for the above, I would really love your imput.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT:
Fixed MoBo Link.
Post by: DermicSavage on February 07, 2004, 06:49:00 AM
another good mobo is he asus k8v delux, but i doubt u can get it for as cheap as what u listed
and when it comes to motherboards, stay away from the nforce 3 chipsets, they have a nasty bug that effects video performance... not liek you would be playing any games on that rig anyway with that vid card
Post by: ProSam on February 07, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Feb 7 2004, 04:49 PM) |
| that mobo has a buit in sound and gigabit nic, but your link isnt showing that.... another good mobo is he asus k8v delux, but i doubt u can get it for as cheap as what u listed and when it comes to motherboards, stay away from the nforce 3 chipsets, they have a nasty bug that effects video performance... not liek you would be playing any games on that rig anyway with that vid card |
First thanks for your input.
I realize it has built in audio but I'm going to be using this monster for a Small home Recording studio and wanted to start off with the Audigy but if I can't get that I'll go low for now. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, the onboard audio would not have the same quality as something from Creative Labs.
I don't believe that MoBo is using that chipset, again, correct me if I'm wrong. Link is working now.
Am I missing anything, are there beter prices out there for these?
Post by: DermicSavage on February 07, 2004, 09:51:00 AM
im no expert in those areas :/
Post by: EvilWays on February 07, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
And onboard audio will rob clock cycles from you since it's nothing more than software codecs (think software acceleration...) and not dedicated hardware. You can, however, probably hold out on the sound card for now (and save yourself ~$163). And probably holding out on the DVD burner for the time being would save some cash.
Post by: DermicSavage on February 07, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
it works on nothing, and has very little useage, + and - will do you fine, even tho just + alone would prolly keep you happy
Post by: ProSam on February 07, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
Anyway...
I found everything i was looking for at http://www.newegg.com cheaper and best of all free shipping for a grand total of
$590.99
Doesn't include the Sound or DVD+-RW but still a Sweet deal if you ask me.
Post by: EvilWays on February 07, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Feb 7 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| i still dont know why they still make dvd-ram it works on nothing, and has very little useage, + and - will do you fine, even tho just + alone would prolly keep you happy |
Good for disc mastering...
Besides, if you can get all three formats in one drive for $110, why not? Sony stuff is overpriced as it is, so if he's still set on getting only ±R/±RW burner, then go with TDK or Pioneer.
Post by: DermicSavage on February 07, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (EvilWays @ Feb 7 2004, 02:07 PM) | ||
Good for disc mastering... Besides, if you can get all three formats in one drive for $110, why not? Sony stuff is overpriced as it is, so if he's still set on getting only ±R/±RW burner, then go with TDK or Pioneer. |
i have learned to avoid small name companies...
i bought a micro advantage drive(+/-) burner, and it died exactly the day after the in store warranty expired, so i sent it in to get repaired(lens was bad), so when i got it back it died AGAIN after a week
i would rather have a sony or samsung or a company that has a good warranty, cause i got fucked
Post by: Xeero on February 07, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
Pioneer has been selling DVD burners for a lot longer than Sony has.I've purchased two Pioneer burners, the DVR-104 and DVR-106. The 106 is obviously still working great since it's pretty new, and the DVR-104 is going strong after nearly two years. If Pioneer is cheaper and the integrity is at least as good as a Sony...why not?
Post by: DermicSavage on February 07, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: ChrisF on February 08, 2004, 03:57:00 AM
Post by: EvilWays on February 08, 2004, 04:35:00 AM
Post by: * illusion * on February 08, 2004, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 08, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (* illusion * @ Feb 8 2004, 06:11 PM) |
| The power supply and video card you chose both suck balls. |
Yeah I found out. I replaced them.
Post by: ProSam on February 08, 2004, 02:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Feb 8 2004, 05:28 AM) |
| i was referring to his comment that no name brands are reliable |
I don't recall making that comment. Even in re-reading it.
Post by: J_Man61 on February 08, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: DermicSavage on February 08, 2004, 05:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (EvilWays @ Feb 7 2004, 02:07 PM) |
| Sony stuff is overpriced as it is |
i was referring to this sentance, as i figured he was referring more towards no name makers, but i didnt notice the recommendation for TDK or pioneer
Post by: ProSam on February 08, 2004, 06:05:00 PM
BTW.
Does it matter wether a HDD or any other drive is OEM? Is it bad for a a product to be OEM?
I'm going to be Using Serial ATA drives and the only ones they have at NewEgg are OEM.
Post by: ChrisF on February 08, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (* illusion * @ Feb 8 2004, 06:11 PM) |
| The power supply and video card you chose both suck balls. |
LOL
-very true though. Never skimp on the power supply, especially when it comes to modern systems.
Post by: i.stole.this.name on February 09, 2004, 04:05:00 AM
IMO BACK AWAY FROm THE ATLON 754!!!
this product will very soon be discontinued and replaced with a 939pin version that still does not need registered RAM but is much higher performance for same price
only downside? locked multiplier, sum conductive tape will fix that though
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
$211
Kingston hyperx 512mb pc2700
$95
XFX geforce4 5200 256mb
$87
Seagate 120GB 7200 rpm
$82
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
$162
Sony Dual DVD Burner DW-U14A
$108
All pricewatch.com and those prices include shipping.
Post by: SKoT on February 09, 2004, 06:33:00 AM
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (jm_007 @ Feb 9 2004, 10:54 AM) |
| pc2700 isnt garunteed to do 200mhz (pc3200 speeds). |
I'm sure you mean 400Mhz and of course it's not guaranteed to work at those speeds. PC2700 is meant for 333Mhz. And the compatibility for RAM to work at 400Mhz is very low even for brands such as Kingston and Crucial. You'd end up paying more to find compatible RAM. So, going for the cheaper route, and higher compatibility, he went PC2700.
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 07:23:00 AM
And I do know a little about RAM. It's harder for lesser known name brand sticks to maintain the higher speeds, much less if it's not even registered.
Post by: jm_007 on February 09, 2004, 07:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (jackpot @ Feb 9 2004, 04:23 PM) |
| I don't really know what muck is, so it must not be that common (probably as common as the phrase "double pumped"!!). |
muck - as in sh*t. common as sh*t.
| QUOTE |
| And I do know a little about RAM. It's harder for lesser known name brand sticks to maintain the higher speeds, much less if it's not even registered. |
anyway, being a member of more than a few large overclocking communities, and having seen people buy all sorts of ram rated at different speeds, i can confidently say you are completely wrong, and wether it's regestered or not makes no difference.
Even the cheapest pc3200 will do 400mhz. Ram such as twinmos pc3200, which just happens to be what i am using and running at @225mhz. hell, it will even do 235mhz all day long. only my motherboard is hiolding this ram back.
| QUOTE |
| And he wouldn't have to overclock anything if there was a CPU:DRAM ratio setting in the BIOS then he could set to 4:3 although with an obvious performance hit. |
Have you seen his motherboard manual? does it have a divider? don't you think you and he should know that before suggesting pc2700 would be fine? might be a good idea......
you say you know about ram, when in the same post you as-good-as admit you dont know what double-pumped means? if nothing else, you do make me laugh:)
| QUOTE |
| or the A64 would run at 333Mhz just like his RAM. |
Yes, becuse ou spend all that money on a pc only to then underclock it
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
oh yeah....
muck
Post by: ProSam on February 09, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
I am trying to get the cheapest prices I can, but without skimping, if there is such a thing. I also want to make sure that all the components are compatible. As to the Power Supply I want to get a good one but $50 is a bit too much for me.
I don't play on my PC as much as I do on my Xbox, actually I don't remember the last time I played on my PC, I just think it's a hassle.
Anyways This is What I'm getting from New Egg, and I believe all components are compatible. Let me know what you guys think of this.
MSI K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU, Model "K8T NEO-FSR"
$95.00 Link
Gigabyte RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "GV-R92S128T"
$51.99 Link
Allied 400W Power Supply ATX400P4 w/ Two Fans ***AMD APPROVED***
$30.00 Link
AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM
$211.00 Link
Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 512MB ECC DDR PC-3200
$98.00 Link
Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD1200JD, OEM Drive Only
$109.00 Link
Subtotal » $594.99
Post by: jackpot on February 09, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (jm_007 @ Feb 9 2004, 11:47 AM) |
| i honestly dont know why you think pc3200 costs hundereds of dollars. |
That's why i said "component'S", meaning all the parts you said in your original post. Eat muck!
Post by: KingViper on February 09, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
http://www.newegg.co...talog=48&depa=0
But, if you are not going to play any games, then any g-card will work fine. Even a TNT2 lol. Good Luck With The Computer
KingViper
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 05:12:00 AM
Also, KingViper, do your research, pioneer is the obvious choice here with a DVD burner. And DVD stands for Digital Versatile Disc.
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 07:14:00 AM
Anyways, I understand the reference "double", i've just never heard "double pumping" when refering to DDR RAM. And bollox?? Where do people come up with this stuff?!
And finally, it looks like it ISN'T the dog's bollox after all. Or is this what you're talking about?
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
And if you had read the thread I linked, it turned into a thread about which burner was the best. When I post something and you decide to talk about it, read it.
And what country are you from? In America, we don't say dog's bollox. That's why I don't know that simplest term.
I'm not bitching, I'm having fun. Sounds like you are bitching.
Post by: moistness on February 10, 2004, 07:30:00 AM
jm_007 :- Dont feed the troll
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 07:32:00 AM
Post by: moistness on February 10, 2004, 07:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (jackpot @ Feb 10 2004, 05:32 PM) |
| I just don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about? And I think prosam got the information he was looking for. |
I can still hear you!
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 10, 2004, 09:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (jackpot @ Feb 10 2004, 05:32 PM) |
| I just don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about? And I think prosam got the information he was looking for. |
Actually no I did not get my questions answered.
I will post it again. And please answer, don't get into another menial debate like who's dick is bigger or whatever you kids want to argue about.
OK, back to the subject.
Wow I did not see this thread becoming a debate. LOL.
I am trying to get the cheapest prices I can, but without skimping, if there is such a thing. I also want to make sure that all the components are compatible. As to the Power Supply I want to get a good one but $50 is a bit too much for me.
I don't play on my PC as much as I do on my Xbox, actually I don't remember the last time I played on my PC, I just think it's a hassle.
Anyways This is What I'm getting from New Egg, and I believe all components are compatible. Let me know what you guys think of this.
MSI K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU, Model "K8T NEO-FSR"
$95.00 Link
Gigabyte RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "GV-R92S128T"
$51.99 Link
Allied 400W Power Supply ATX400P4 w/ Two Fans ***AMD APPROVED***
$30.00 Link
AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM
$211.00 Link
Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 512MB ECC DDR PC-3200
$98.00 Link
Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD1200JD, OEM Drive Only
$109.00 Link
Subtotal » $594.99
Post by: jackpot on February 10, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (jm_007 @ Feb 10 2004, 01:14 PM) |
| Thats a no on the ram - it's the AMD fx's that use EEC ram, not the a64's. |
Wrong, it just needs to be registered. All ECC RAM is registered but not necessarily all registered RAM is ECC. Or just wait for the 939 boards, no registered RAM necessary.
And I do agree with the Antec, it works for me.
Post by: * illusion * on February 10, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 10, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (jm_007 @ Feb 10 2004, 07:14 PM) |
Thats a no on the ram - it's the AMD fx's that use EEC ram, not the a64's. Why not get what i suggested? |
Why no on the ram? That is the RAM that is compatible with that board. According to the manufaturers site there are only specific models that are compatible. I just want to make sure it works.
Are you sure the one you suggested will work with the board?
Post by: ProSam on February 10, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (* illusion * @ Feb 10 2004, 08:39 PM) |
| The Allied PSU will be fine, I have a Allied 450W and the rails are awesome. My uncle uses a Allied 400W in his 2400+ system with no problems. |
I know. The Specs look just about as good as the antec. Why not?
Post by: ProSam on February 10, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Feb 10 2004, 08:58 PM) |
I guess no one caught this.. If you go OEM, you'll need a heatsink/fan. It will cost $20+ for a good, AMD approved one.. Why not spend the extra $13 for the Retail box (with Heatsink/Fan, and a sticker!): http://www.newegg.co...-103-424&depa=0 |
I've been trying to figure out what OEM means and noone has answered my question.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I will get that one instead of the OEM.
What about the OEM SATA drive? Is that OK?
Post by: resolost on February 10, 2004, 02:34:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| MSI K8T800 Chipset Motherboard |
^ the mobo only has a 800FSB but the processor can go upto 1600 if u got a mobo with hypertransport....i know someone who has this the asus board and it works great for them link
Post by: ProSam on February 10, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (resolost @ Feb 11 2004, 12:34 AM) | ||
^ the mobo only has a 800FSB but the processor can go upto 1600 if u got a mobo with hypertransport....i know someone who has this the asus board and it works great for them link |
Yeah I was looking into the ASUS, but $159.99, DAMN! Guess I can't skimp on this either.
Time to save money.
Post by: ChrisF on February 12, 2004, 03:08:00 AM
basically it's not sold as a retail shelf product. You generally get no fancy boxes, cables, bundled software, etc...Just bare bones product.
Post by: ProSam on February 12, 2004, 04:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (ChrisF @ Feb 12 2004, 01:08 PM) |
| OEM = original equipment manufacturer basically it's not sold as a retail shelf product. You generally get no fancy boxes, cables, bundled software, etc...Just bare bones product. |
Ahhhh... ic
Post by: ChrisF on February 12, 2004, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: EvilWays on February 12, 2004, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: KingViper on February 13, 2004, 10:56:00 AM
http://www.maximumpc...2003-12-09.html
Also, Jackpot, it isn't the idea that I didn't do my "research" its the fact that I actually own one of these drives, and it is amazing. As I have noticed in several other of your posts, you don't own a dvd burnere yet, and have no first hand experience with the pioneer.
Goodluck with your computer prosam, and the idea that getting the better stuff isn't in your budget is not a problem, its the fact taht if you buy a cheapo part, and it breaks after warranty, you have to buy another, but when you get good quality parts, they usually last longer, which means in teh long run, you will be spending more. Buying a computer is a tough thing to do all at once. I would personally wait and save up, and maybe by the time you get enough money prices will either be down, or something better will cost the same.
KingViper
Post by: ProSam on February 14, 2004, 08:40:00 AM
I'm going to go with the ASUS board, on their site it says
3 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max. 3GB un-buffered ECC and non-ECC PC3200/PC2700 / PC2100 DDR SDRAM memory
I'm sure I should be going for the 3200 right?
This
http://www.newegg.co...tion=20-141-427
Or this
http://www.newegg.co...tion=20-146-532
Post by: ProSam on February 14, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
ASUS K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU, Model "K8V Deluxe" -RETAIL
$154.99
GIGABYTE ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "GV-R92S128T" -RETAIL
$51.99
Antec P4 ATX12V 350 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans and Blue Internal LEDs, Model "SL350BLUE" -RETAIL
$50.00
AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - Retail
$227.00
Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 512MB ECC DDR PC-3200 - Retail
$98.00
Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, MODEL 6Y120M0, OEM Drive Only
$103.75
Subtotal » $685.73
It's a little more then before but only by 60 or dollars. Not bad.
EDIT:
Added Antec PSU!
Post by: ProSam on February 14, 2004, 09:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (jm_007 @ Feb 14 2004, 07:02 PM) |
| again with the psu. Its cheap rubbish. You just don't get decent 500w psu's for $29. One more time, get the best antec fortron/sparkle that you can afford. Ignore the wattage - TOTALLY. A 350w fortron will outperform that 500w "super charger" any day of the week. |
DAG NABBIT! You and your power supplies. Those things are expensive as hell.
But I guess if you insist I will have to spring for it. DAMN IT!!!
Post by: jm_007 on February 15, 2004, 02:26:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 15, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
Considering I don't have to buy all the compnets. Thats Still Awesome! Thanks for your help guys.
Post by: EvilWays on February 16, 2004, 04:20:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 16, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (EvilWays @ Feb 16 2004, 02:20 PM) |
| I think you might need this. |
LOL.
I Don't smoke.
Post by: EvilWays on February 16, 2004, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: chadkeck on February 17, 2004, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on February 17, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (chadkeck @ Feb 17 2004, 06:40 PM) |
| None of you guys think it's a bad idea to build a 64-bit system right now? Won't the stuff all be alot cheaper soon since it's a fairly new technology? I mean, you can build a fast AMD XP system for half that price and maybe wait a year and a half for the prices to go down??? I'm actually thinking about building a 64-bit system but am not sure yet. |
Really, Cuz I would love to save some money.
What is the fastest amd out right now? I was also fearing compatibility issues. Should I be?