Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 09:25:00 AM
Oh BTW, the devkits that are out right now dont have the RSX chip, but do have the cell. The new devkits that they just shipped after their E3 show have an almost done RSX chip.
Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ May 20 2005, 04:36 PM)
$ony just has a much better marketing team than M$. Then agian us real gamers are not buying $ony's show. I want to see more. The only reason I don't have doubts is becasue they still have a long time before their console is done.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on May 20, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
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I'm telling ya..it's all smoke and mirrors.. all hype... all the so-called demos are rendered on Silicon Graphics workstations...
any games that you saw at E3 were likely recompiled verisons of current XBOX titles with some touchups. the new Need for Speed didn't look that much different than the XBOX verisons.. recompile the current games to use the ATI GPU and I'm sure you will see much better quality..
-XBA
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
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But at least they'r showing actual 360 games, that are only running an 1/3 power dev kits, that havent had very long for production
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: blackchild1101 on May 20, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
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Good topic... I saw the Tim Sweeny interview, G4, and when he was asked about the Kill Zone 2 trailer he said that it was a "movie" of the game but he said that 50% of the trailer was done by the game engine and rest was done by CG.
BIG WHAT IF...
Most of the PS3 games 'play', I mean you have the controller and game, were some of the graphics are produce by the game engine and the rest is CG.
Remeber FF 8 on the PS1? Although it was quiet easy to tell if it were CG or not, Square was the first company to do this technique. You could move your character around during the cut scenes / CG parts. It was really cool at the time but the game characters would leave HUGE and noticable artifacts on the CG back round.
Now I'm not saying all PS3 games are gonna implement this but this could be the reason why Kill Zone 2 looks like it came from the PS5, unless it's really from the PS3
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: spearfree on May 20, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
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Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on May 20, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
any games that you saw at E3 were likely recompiled verisons of current XBOX titles with some touchups. the new Need for Speed didn't look that much different than the XBOX verisons.. recompile the current games to use the ATI GPU and I'm sure you will see much better quality..
-XBA
Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: blackchild1101 on May 20, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
BIG WHAT IF...
Most of the PS3 games 'play', I mean you have the controller and game, were some of the graphics are produce by the game engine and the rest is CG.
Remeber FF 8 on the PS1? Although it was quiet easy to tell if it were CG or not, Square was the first company to do this technique. You could move your character around during the cut scenes / CG parts. It was really cool at the time but the game characters would leave HUGE and noticable artifacts on the CG back round.
Now I'm not saying all PS3 games are gonna implement this but this could be the reason why Kill Zone 2 looks like it came from the PS5, unless it's really from the PS3
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Post by: spearfree on May 20, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 20 2005, 05:27 PM)
The reason MS games looked so much worse than PS3 games is because the X360 doesn't exist yet.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: blackchild1101 on May 20, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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Ehh guys they plan on shipping the Xbox 360 in about 6 months I'm preety sure that the current specs are final... Any major changes could effect potentaly delay the hoilday release... Remeber they have to get the system to the manufacters in time so they can release it during the hoildays and have "enough" systems out there to challange the PS 3 and Rev.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: JimmyDeushku on May 20, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
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Post by: blackchild1101 on May 20, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: JimmyDeushku on May 20, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(blackchild1101 @ May 20 2005, 12:37 PM)
Good topic... I saw the Tim Sweeny interview, G4, and when he was asked about the Kill Zone 2 trailer he said that it was a "movie" of the game but he said that 50% of the trailer was done by the game engine and rest was done by CG.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
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Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
QUOTE(JimmyDeushku @ May 20 2005, 06:23 PM)
I was watching G4 as well and the host asked Tim Sweeny if Killzone 2 was rendered or actual gameplay and Tim said it is 100% real gameplay. The host asked like 5 times in a row if it was part CG and part real gameplay he was like "I guaruntee it is 100% actual gameplay." And Killzone 2 will own any XBOX 360 FPS for many years to come. One of the only few games for XBOX 360 that actually looks good is Ghost Recon 3.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
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Nearly forgot, they seem to like avoiding the subject. Interview with a real person: http://ps3.ign.com/a...6/616591p1.html
EDIT: Whoops, wrong link but I'm sure I saw them say it somewhere. I know a sony rep said it wasnt real
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
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Post by: {Sephiroth} on May 20, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
EDIT: Whoops, wrong link but I'm sure I saw them say it somewhere. I know a sony rep said it wasnt real
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE({Sephiroth} @ May 20 2005, 01:43 PM)
The main problem with that being that Killzone sucks (not the graphics, the GAME, which is essentially what we want from a games console)
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: Gerjan on May 20, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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Post by: Gerjan on May 20, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ May 20 2005, 08:09 PM)
I guess I am the only person that liked Killzone. Once you turned the sound off because of the enemy doing nothing but repeating itself, it was a good game. It was slow paced. Maybe thats why most didnt like it. I know that most FPS fans like run an gun which is fun, but I thought killzone was great for being a PS2 game. I mean, what could you really do with that system to compete with the xbox's FPS's?
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Gerjan @ May 20 2005, 02:46 PM)
I tought they admitted or some site found out that it wasn't ingame?
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: acemilo on May 20, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
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KZ2 along with every other ingame demo sony showed at e3, was bs.
http://www.gamesindu...ge.php?aid=9051
Every ingame demo was a movie of what they are shooting for, not an actual product.
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: mksoftware on May 20, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
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Post by: acemilo on May 20, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
http://www.gamesindu...ge.php?aid=9051
Every ingame demo was a movie of what they are shooting for, not an actual product.
Post by: mksoftware on May 20, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Gerjan @ May 20 2005, 08:46 PM)
I tought they admitted or some site found out that it wasn't ingame?
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
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http://www.gamesindu...ge.php?aid=9051
Read and then come back. I can see killer clowns, does that make them real?
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Title: What Were The Ps3 Demos Running On At E3?
Post by: Mr Ed on May 21, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 20, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(mksoftware @ May 20 2005, 03:34 PM)
The Graphics were in game, you have to SEE the conference to understand what I mean.
http://www.gamesindu...ge.php?aid=9051
Read and then come back. I can see killer clowns, does that make them real?
Post by: Mr Ed on May 21, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 21 2005, 11:10 AM)
If they had final hardware units, they'd ship the final SDK's to developers.