Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 12, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
This guy is our governer and is married and a father of two kids. Why come out the closet now?
Edit: I forgot the link http://www.comcast.n...82bdeaad30.html
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: bucko on August 12, 2004, 05:04:00 PM
, care loads.
Post by: buttface96 on August 12, 2004, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 12, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on August 12, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: Boba_Fett on August 12, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Aug 13 2004, 05:00 AM) |
| I'd like to see an openly gay person with political power, it's be good for our country thomes08 |
Honestly... I don't care what your politcal persuasion is, how in the hell would an openly homo person in political power be good for this country? That makes absolute zero sense. This world is going to hell in a handbasket :/
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 12, 2004, 10:05:00 PM
Sorry for posting in the wrong forum, I totally forgot about the politics forum.
Post by: powercntrl on August 12, 2004, 11:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (Boba_Fett @ Aug 12 2004, 11:05 PM) |
| Honestly... I don't care what your politcal persuasion is, how in the hell would an openly homo person in political power be good for this country? That makes absolute zero sense. This world is going to hell in a handbasket :/ |
People finding members of their same gender sexually attractive bothers you in what way? Sheesh. Why people believe that gays are out to destroy the world is beyond me. There are far worse things going on - the potential of global warming, running out of oil, the ozone layer, underpaid teachers, the threat of terrorism, etc. In the grand scheme of things, why would someone choose guys sleeping with other guys as the reason the world is going to hell? I'll tell you why, because the truth is too complicated and it's a lot easier for an ignorant moron to just blame 'dem faggots.
Fuckin' a.
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: gcskate27 on August 13, 2004, 02:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 12 2004, 11:43 PM) |
| Do you think Muhammad intended for his religion to one day end up being the result of planes crashing into buildings? No, but all he had to do was start it, and well, the rest is history.... |
did jesus intend for his religion to one day result in the murders of doctors who perform abortion?
Post by: melon on August 13, 2004, 02:52:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Do you think Muhammad intended for his religion to one day end up being the result of planes crashing into buildings? No, but all he had to do was start it, and well, the rest is history.... |
see other thread.
Post by: nemt on August 13, 2004, 06:01:00 AM
Full Story
Post by: gcskate27 on August 13, 2004, 12:01:00 PM
ohh wait... that wasnt even close to funny...
and youre a moron...
Post by: thomes08 on August 13, 2004, 04:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 13 2004, 09:16 PM) |
| I actually kinda laughed at that one.... And I don't usually agree with what nemt has to say, either.... But that one made me laugh. |
as much as i don't agree with pretty much all of your beliefs i at least gave you credit and respect. But now i think you're about as low as nemt. I wasn't going to respond to this thread cause i figured people would shrug it off as another ignorant nemt post, but you've managed to spark my interest in it. Way to go, buddy.
to clear things up. you do know there are gay republicans too right? Openly gay ones. Openly gay, christian ones..... ooo bet you're scared now aren't you?
thomes08
Post by: nemt on August 13, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
smiley clearly means the entire post is a joke.The bottom line is, gay or straight, McGreevey, dishonored his family, marriage, and the office the governor, and his conduct should be unacceptable to anyone, of any sexual orientation or political belief. This behavior, however, seems to be par for the democrat course.
Post by: gcskate27 on August 13, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 13, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
edit... spelled "gasp" "gaps"
Post by: heinrich on August 13, 2004, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 13, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Aug 13 2004, 06:51 PM) |
| threads merged. |
Thanks for renaming the topic, mine wasn't in the right "WORDING"
I was watching TV on channel 11(WB) and breaking news came through saying that Cipel (supposly Mcgreevy is having an affair with) is suing Mcgreevy for stating false info about him.
This is BIGGER then I thought
Post by: thomes08 on August 13, 2004, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on August 14, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
Also hey thomes, you've been pushing Jesusphreak's (and any other bible-beleivers) buttons since day one. Now you are surprised when he slightly agrees with nemt? You drew the line, not us.
Post by: Ween311 on August 14, 2004, 02:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i feel sorry for the guy. Bitch all you want about a "fag being in powe, omg that's fucking sick" but he's the one who is hurt the most by this. I think even more than his family. SOmetimes hurting the people you love is worse than being hurt by someone you love. |
I think that's pretty messed up. You feel more sorry for him then you do for his family? Now, obviously nobody knows the whole situation this guy was going through, but everything he did was his decision. What type of say did his family have in this?
It sucks that he thought that he would have to give up his career to come out.
Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 14, 2004, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 14, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ween311 @ Aug 14 2004, 10:38 PM) |
| I think that's pretty messed up. You feel more sorry for him then you do for his family? Now, obviously nobody knows the whole situation this guy was going through, but everything he did was his decision. What type of say did his family have in this? It sucks that he thought that he would have to give up his career to come out. |
i dont think anybody in here can even fathom the kind of guilt and confusion that the go is feeling. Cheating was def a bad choice, but being gay isn't. Argue that all you want but nobody grows up and wants to be gay
Post by: thomes08 on August 14, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ahh, yes, but there is a reason that the gays hate bisexuals.... |
where did you come up with this? Gay people are sooooooo much more understand of people with abnormal beliefs than the normal person.
| QUOTE |
| And truth is, most homosexuals either haven't had a very good parent in their life, or they've been abused somehow during their childhood. A lot of homosexuals just won't say that. It brings up bad memories. |
thats not the truth. No one comes out with it? So this is based off of nothing then right, just your guess.
| QUOTE |
| This isn't always the case, but it is the case almost 100% of the time.... |
see first comment
| QUOTE |
| It's just not said inside the gay community. Ask nearly any homosexual person and they will tell you that their home life when they were young wasn't good.... |
i've worked with manya homosexual and became friends with them. how many gay friends do you have? I've even met two of their parents. There happily married parents who go to the church right down the street from my work. When he worked there as a server they would come in every sunday after church and he would wait on them so they would see eachother at least once a week. Sounds pretty fucked up doesn't it?
Post by: MoeMan949222 on August 14, 2004, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on August 15, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
@ jesusfreak...just
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 04:48:00 PM
No one (even in all those studies) has put a good finger on what causes homosexuality. Poor childhoods and abusive parenting is attributed more closely to sexual addictions, compulsions, and other social diseases, but not so much to homosexuality. I do believe there are plenty of "Pseudo-gay" people, especially here in LA, who are capitalizing on the trendy aspect. I have a couple of openly gay friends, however, who take it seriously and have no agenda. I knew their families well, since we all grew up together, and despite being a little strange (who isn't), their parents cared for them well. Ever consider it to be a genetic anomaly, like any other?
Post by: Colonel32 on August 15, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Aug 16 2004, 12:51 AM) |
| This argument has and will keep hitting brick walls No one (even in all those studies) has put a good finger on what causes homosexuality. Poor childhoods and abusive parenting is attributed more closely to sexual addictions, compulsions, and other social diseases, but not so much to homosexuality. I do believe there are plenty of "Pseudo-gay" people, especially here in LA, who are capitalizing on the trendy aspect. I have a couple of openly gay friends, however, who take it seriously and have no agenda. I knew their families well, since we all grew up together, and despite being a little strange (who isn't), their parents cared for them well. Ever consider it to be a genetic anomaly, like any other? |
Great Post again UnProfessional
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
Cheers
Post by: jesusphreak on August 15, 2004, 06:53:00 PM
This is from NARTH, which is not a Christian organization at all, it is actually an organization (which is very well researched) seeking to reach out to homosexuals and to help them to understand who they are, but at the same time discovering the real cause....
http://www.narth.com...ioresearch.html
Read more on that site. It is very well researched and there is a lot of information on it....
In the name of Christ, jesusphreak......
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: Colonel32 on August 15, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Aug 16 2004, 04:26 AM) |
| http://www.narth.com...interfaith.html Clearly NARTH has a very religious agenda (i must be psychic). But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and read on. |
If you do continue to read on you will find this particularly interesting
http://www.narth.com....html#Religious A huge page of talking points called:"Responding to Pro-Gay Theology"
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
| QUOTE |
This three-part series will address the pro-gay theology by dividing its arguments--or tenets--into three categories: social justice arguments, general religious arguments, and scriptural arguments. |
One of the three is the real issue: social justice arguments, while both of the other two are religious.
They may not be a "religious organization" persay, but they're definitely very, very religious indeed.
| QUOTE |
These arguments are most effective in secular discussions (talk shows, interviews, university debates) where listeners are unlikely to judge them by Biblical standards. Instead of discerning which side is theologically correct, non-Christian audiences tend to side with whoever seems "nicest." |
Absolutely amazing. Social justice arguments are most effective in secular discussions, such as university debates where listeners are unlikely to judge by "Biblical standards"? Well yeah, there's where one would find a less biased argument. At least people in such discussions see the issue from a more tangible and diverse perspective... you know, like in a democracy? Apparently if it isn't being discussed by religious figures, then it must be incorrect or fallacious. "Instead of discerning which side is theologically correct." Who cares about theology when the issue is real, and affects real people, religious or not. It also says non-Christian audiences tend to side with whoever seems "nicest". Hmm...
Each of the social justice arguments (some make sense, some don't) are immediately shot down, saying they're misleading or incorrect. Also notice that every single one of the arguments is defending homosexuality, and every response rebuts the idea that homosexuality is OK. So this is anything but a research institute. Research institutes aren't supposed to be politically or religiously charged, and surely not one-sided (otherwise, why do any 'research' at all?). This one, however, is.
Jesusphreak: I don't think you're a bad guy. I know you mean well. But, I just ask that you try to see complex issues such as this one from a more down-to-earth perspective, rather than always from the Bible. To sum up my opinions of homosexuality, I'll say that I really don't have a problem with it, or even homosexual unions. I do, however, have a problem with homosexual couples adopting children (Which is already legal). I disagree with this aspect because I feel it has adverse psychiatric effects on the children. I also feel that it leaves the child even more vulnerable to ridicule, confusion, and sense of disbelonging than what kids already experience as it is. Gays marrying gays, well, I don't care. It's alot better than people having to fly ugly rainbow flags in my neighborhood or block people trying to get to work by protesting in public streets. I think they should have the same rights as heterosexual couples, so long as it it doesn't have negative effects on others, especially children. Straight couples or gay couples making out in public piss me off. But I'll tell you, explaining two men kissing to a child is challenge.
Post by: thomes08 on August 16, 2004, 12:29:00 AM
tUP you had a good post but i'm too tired to respond to it like i want. But i agree with you on almost all of it. i like how he said this research site didn't have a religious agenda, when it obviously does. Please jesusphreak, don't post stuff biased to religion to support scientific studies.
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on August 16, 2004, 01:43:00 AM
| QUOTE |
To sum up my opinions of homosexuality, I'll say that I really don't have a problem with it, or even homosexual unions. I do, however, have a problem with homosexual couples adopting children (Which is already legal). I disagree with this aspect because I feel it has adverse psychiatric effects on the children. I also feel that it leaves the child even more vulnerable to ridicule, confusion, and sense of disbelonging than what kids already experience as it is. Gays marrying gays, well, I don't care. It's alot better than people having to fly ugly rainbow flags in my neighborhood or block people trying to get to work by protesting in public streets. I think they should have the same rights as heterosexual couples, so long as it it doesn't have negative effects on others, especially children. Straight couples or gay couples making out in public piss me off. But I'll tell you, explaining two men kissing to a child is challenge. |
Post by: thomes08 on August 16, 2004, 08:44:00 AM
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on August 25, 2004, 05:15:00 PM
he may have severely let his family down... but how many people have died in his pointless war? i don't understand how he's a creep, but certain other people aren't. He affected his family with being gay, bush has affect hundreds of thousands of people with his war. The gov is a hero when the two are compared
a.) he admitted his mistakes publically, without making up new excuses to why they're good choices
b.) he is stepping out of office
c.) he didn't kill anybody
also, he probably did not know he was gay at a very early age. Read more on your "science" and you'll find out there are people in the middle, people who don't know, and people who don't fully realize until later in their lives. I'm sure he didn't go out, say "i'm gonna meet a woman, pretend for years i love her, have children with her, all so maybe one day i can become a big politiclal figure. Gimme a break your "science" didn't tell you shit except for the fact that being gay isn't a choice and i'm glad you're didn't bring the big childrens book into this saying that it's his choice and he's going to hell
thomes08
Post by: cromat44 on August 25, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Trisman on August 31, 2004, 08:03:00 PM
| QUOTE | ||||
So you believe people are born straight and become gay because of environment or life events, yet you contradict yourself when you say:
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I think what thomes is saying is that while it may not be his choice, he has not consciencly known about this aspect of himself until later in his life.
Post by: mattyj25 on October 14, 2004, 10:23:00 PM
You wanna know why alot of gay people seem 'strange' or different as one person said; it's because all our lives we grow up hearing faggot this and queer that from our peers and then we turn on the television or go online and read articles of people in congress or the senate or certain schools wanting to take away fundamental rights and basically talking and wanting to legislate us as though we are second class citizins. If there is any abuse of gay people it's not coming from the family mostly, it's coming from hate mongering people, TV and our damn congress/senate.
For all the bible thumpers out there who disagree and quote passages of the bible, the same chapter and quote that you read from also talks about pre-marital sex and adultery as some of the causes for the destruction of sodom and gomorha (spelling...?). No where in the bible did it mention homosexuality once. Or gay for that matter. If you wish to respond to what I just wrote in this past paragraph on 'your interpritation' of what the bible says about homosexuality, please also respond as to why it's given so much more importantance to focus on the gay part and not all these people out there now who sleep with whomever, the millions of babies being born out of wedlock and all the adulterers out there. I don't believe the bible focused too heavily on the homosexual part did it? No...it did not.
So many people wanna say that homosexuality is gonna degrade the family. How?! I've been in a relationship for over 7 years with the same person, have helped raise my nephews with my sisters (of 3 sisters, one is also gay :-) ). And seeing and helping raise and being a part of their life is very important to me. If anything happens to my sister(s) where they can't take care of their kids, I, not anyone else, am given the honor to take care of them.
Respect it.