Post by: melon on August 11, 2004, 03:44:00 AM
Whatever the topic they can turn it around to God and there religions views on a given subject.
If they appose abortion its because of god.
Gays cant go to heaven!
But war is usually supported???
I dont want this thread becoming an argument about Iraq, that has all been said and done, no one is going to change there opinions.
Its not even just like its proper religions, its all these massive cults like Mormom or jahovah witness.
They quote the bible to prove what they say is correct.
ITS A FUCKING GREAT BIG BOOK!!!!!
your bound to find one quote you can use!
How about a seperate forum for all the religous freaks so the rest of us can debate issues with people that have there own view and opinions instead of those that are ruled by whatever the head of there religion deems fit.
also
STOP TRYING TO BIBLE BASH EVERYONE!!!!!!
A LOT OF US DONT BELIVE IN GOD OR ARE ATHIESTS
WE DONT CARE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So go and shove it up your arse and i will se you in Hades
Post by: rms2001 on August 11, 2004, 04:06:00 AM
And war is never supported in Jehovahs Organization. I know you probably dont care what I say next, but heres why: They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world - John 16:17 As follows of Jesus we need to be neutral in the world, thus is why war is not permitted in Jehovahs Organization.
Post by: melon on August 11, 2004, 05:38:00 AM
Bu posting in it your trying to preach to me.
You have already quoted the bible to me.
Post by: leijae on August 11, 2004, 05:50:00 AM
Post by: Arvarden on August 11, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
Post by: thomes08 on August 11, 2004, 08:39:00 AM
for fucks sake they're all the same damn topic
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on August 11, 2004, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: therebelious1 on August 11, 2004, 08:56:00 AM
i remember a little while ago when there wasnt even a single reference to religeon- ahh the good old days
Post by: Ween311 on August 11, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: afon on August 11, 2004, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Mr. Chips on August 11, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Ween311 on August 11, 2004, 02:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr. Chips @ Aug 11 2004, 01:19 PM) |
| afon, I am willing to bet you and I are the only adults in this thread! |
You would lose your bet.
Post by: The unProfessional on August 11, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
"what religion do you follow" "what religion are you" "how good of a follower are you" for fucks sake they're all the same damn topic |
Couldn't agree more. Religion is a personal endeavor. Evangelism is nothing more than an annoyance to self-driven americans. Be as religious as you want, but don't turn every little issue into something religious... and don't use the Bible as the only source of real life issues and arguments. Words to live by? sure. A source of fact? Sorry pal, but no.
Religious topics/threads are just fine, but keep it limited to a reasonable level. How would you like three different threads about Satanism?
Post by: melon on August 11, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
I can do a thread about Beelzebub, you can do one about Lusifer, and Thomes can take Satan. Then we can all argue over which one is the true Devil, or are they all the same.
If you have 3 balls of clay and put them all together shite....
Post by: The unProfessional on August 11, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
"Is Satan really that bad?"
and
"Is Beelzebub really a demon? Demons are cool"
Post by: feflicker on August 11, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 11, 2004, 04:00:00 PM
Define adult please
thomes08
Post by: gcskate27 on August 11, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr. Chips @ Aug 11 2004, 11:19 AM) |
| afon, I am willing to bet you and I are the only adults in this thread! |
well your comment certainly doesnt show it...
Post by: Spency234 on August 11, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on August 11, 2004, 08:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (melon @ Aug 11 2004, 05:47 AM) |
| Im pissed off with the religous brainwashed shit taking over this forum. Whatever the topic they can turn it around to God and there religions views on a given subject. If they appose abortion its because of god. Gays cant go to heaven! But war is usually supported??? I dont want this thread becoming an argument about Iraq, that has all been said and done, no one is going to change there opinions. Its not even just like its proper religions, its all these massive cults like Mormom or jahovah witness. They quote the bible to prove what they say is correct. ITS A FUCKING GREAT BIG BOOK!!!!! your bound to find one quote you can use! How about a seperate forum for all the religous freaks so the rest of us can debate issues with people that have there own view and opinions instead of those that are ruled by whatever the head of there religion deems fit. also STOP TRYING TO BIBLE BASH EVERYONE!!!!!! A LOT OF US DONT BELIVE IN GOD OR ARE ATHIESTS WE DONT CARE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So go and shove it up your arse and i will se you in Hades |
i completely agree!
the whole point of christianity is to convert the other "savages" to their religon....
Post by: krustytheclown on August 11, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: melon on August 12, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
There has been enough people agreeing with me to know I had a valid point.
Post by: The unProfessional on August 12, 2004, 07:48:00 PM
| QUOTE |
just trying to introduce you to the Man, and to a better way of life |
How could you tell me what is a better way for me to live my life? I'll be the judge of that. It's no different from me telling you that your way of life is substandard... and a life of canibalism and human sacrifice is more enlightening.
Your religious beliefs clearly make you feel spiritual and help you enjoy your life. That's fantastic.
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
Personally i think it's a bunch of crap and no one will ever change my mind, and no one else will change their views either, especially not on this forum. So it all seems pointless
thomes08
Post by: Boba_Fett on August 12, 2004, 09:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Aug 13 2004, 05:05 AM) |
| So it all seems pointless thomes08 |
Then all you guys should kill yourselves. I mean, we really don't exist right? There is no greater purpose, no ryme or reason. Why go on living if eveything you do in this "lifetime" is going to be for naught? Just end it all if you (pointing mostly at Melon here) have no reason to keep on living. Damn...
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 12, 2004, 10:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 13 2004, 05:47 AM) |
| Yes, both extremes are wrong. It is wrong for religion to be forced upon people who don't want it, and it's wrong for religion to be completely abandoned. We need a balance of both, and if that balance includes a President standing up for what God wants and what he believes in, I have no problem with that. |
Agreed.
Post by: jesusphreak on August 12, 2004, 10:35:00 PM
I'd like to make this a forum wide thing.
We can all post what religion (or non religion we are), and then discuss why we believe what we believe. We can make it to where flaming isn't allowed.
This is an open debate and discussion - not an arguement...
Would anyone else be interested?
We could give at all another shot in 1 thread, as opposed to 3....
I think everyone could appreciate that....
Post by: thomes08 on August 12, 2004, 11:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Boba_Fett @ Aug 13 2004, 05:18 AM) |
| Then all you guys should kill yourselves. I mean, we really don't exist right? There is no greater purpose, no ryme or reason. Why go on living if eveything you do in this "lifetime" is going to be for naught? Just end it all if you (pointing mostly at Melon here) have no reason to keep on living. Damn... |
try to teach a dog a physics equation
similar to trying to teach a human the meaning of life
that's right, you have to think about that one
Post by: melon on August 13, 2004, 02:46:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Then all you guys should kill yourselves. I mean, we really don't exist right? There is no greater purpose, no ryme or reason. Why go on living if eveything you do in this "lifetime" is going to be for naught? Just end it all if you (pointing mostly at Melon here) have no reason to keep on living. Damn... |
I think he meant it all seemed pointless arguing about Religion, not that life was pointless. It is quite an easy mistake to make???
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
Are you mentally retarded????
So we do one thread about the negativivty of religion and the bible bashing wankers are still going the Lord is great, be like us!!!!
Emerorpsi mentioned "savages" and Jesusphreak is like
| QUOTE |
| I don't think you are a savage that needs converting. I think that you are a person just like me, and I'm just trying to introduce you to the Man, and to a better way of life( biggrin.gif |
Why should people who DO NOT belive in god be forced to have a government which is controlled partly by the church?
What about the people in America who are of different faiths, why should they live in a land which is controlled by a different religion to there own, and for them to see that religion constantly being backed by the president.
They are treated as not important enough to have there say, thus they are 2nd class religions.
Wouldnt it be fairer to become a secular state?
Why are you so arrogant that you are right?
Such arrogance needs to be backed up by something. Here is where you fall apart. You can offer us no concrete proof of the lord, while we can offer concrete proof of the Galaxy (all those different planets), evolution, and scientific equations to show it is impossible to turn water into wine (unless you buy one of those homebrew kits).
Your only proof comes from a very old book. I was always told that if the authenticity of a piece of evidence was in question, the source is pretty useless.
People who dont belive in god obviously question the authenticity of the bible...
Why do you constantly ram jesus down peoples throats?
People can express opinions on this forum and have religous belifes to back them up.
You have religious belifes to talk about on this forum, you are incapable of communicating without praising the lord.
You couldnt talk about cheese without going on about Edam being the Lords favourite!
I just think your a bit obsessed? I think in your case you should go have some councilling or something. It is not healthy to be like you.
You sound like you have been hypnotised into talking like a mindless drone.
Basically I want you to just try and stop going on so much.
Every debate does not need god thrown into the centre of it. That just pisses off people who do not belive. You are effectively denying our beliefs and treating them as inferior to your own. That is wrong.
Post by: therebelious1 on August 13, 2004, 03:00:00 AM
i totally agree
Post by: thomes08 on August 13, 2004, 04:29:00 PM
Go to a zoo and you will find at least some hint that evolution does exist, the reason it's really hard to prove is it's such a slow process that it's hard to track. but there is scientific proof that things do adapt to their ever changing environment. Does that mean that "god" is changing around the DNA of species who undergo change?
Also i have a couple of questions, no right or wrong answer i'm just curious.
Do you belive that there may be life outside of the life here on earth? Keep in mind how rediculously big our universe is.
I mentioned this before but i'll say it again. In human history we have created gods for things that we do not understand, agreed? Like the ancient greek gods of thunder and fire and such. DO you agree that they were created because we have no clue how it happeded? And is it not true we proved them wrong? If so is it possible that since we still don't understand some things, instead of having many gods we put all the things we don't understand into one god? I'm just asking if this is possible i'm not trying to change your mind
OK, now is it possible to teach a dog chemisty? I hope you're going to say no. SO since we can't teach species that aren't as smart as us complex things such as chemistry, is it possible that we are also a species that does not understand everything, such as life? So is it possible that we just can't understand the meaning of life and how life began, that we never will, and that certain people refuse to accept the fact that we can't explain everything, so they take the unexplained and say "god did it" to ease the frustration of not knowing everything about the universe?
no hard feelings here i'm just trying to get you to think outside the box
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on August 13, 2004, 05:22:00 PM
There is much we don't, and never will, understand. Scientists will be attempting to shed light on these issues, while the religions will continue to attribute them to God.
But hey, whatever it takes to keep people from killing each other... unfortunately nothing can keep us from doing that.
Everything in nature belongs to a delecate balance, as you said Jesusphreak. But how does that prove the divine, intelligent creator? You can infer, but it isn't proof by any means. I'm not discrediting christianity, i'm just pointing out that there is, and never will be, proof for either side of the argument. At least not on the surface of Earth.
Changes to these delecate balances in nature, such as the position of the sun, doesn't automatically mean the non-existence or destruction of life. It might mean a complete climactic change, and a calling for life to find a new way to prevail. Evolution has proven that life and creatures adapt. Let's say for the sake of argument that a massive climactic change occured, the earth heated up, and the ecosystem was forced to exist without large quantities of water. Can you guarantee that evolution wouldn't produce a being capable of surviving without nature as we see it today, but rather a much hotter, dryer climate?
Also, it's completely ignorant to say we're the only intelligent creatures in the universe. It's possible, but highly improbable. Note that I'm not saying you said this... but it adds to the argument.
Post by: SmallBusinessGuy on August 13, 2004, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on August 13, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
You're thinking evolution happens too fast. It happens over millions even billions of years. I'm not saying that aliens have to be smarter than us. I was just wondering if you think they may exist are they a product of god too? And who says they are smarter than us, i didn't.
thomes08
Post by: gcskate27 on August 14, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (melon @ Aug 13 2004, 02:49 AM) |
| Edam being the Lords favourite! |
edam is good... edam and branston sandwhiches... theres something i havent had in a while...
but to jesusfreak... part of your rational of god are the factors, that if varied would end life, that make up the earth... in the vast size of the universe, are you saying that its unlikely or even impossible for one planet to be in such a special postition?
to me it seems much more likely in the untold numbers of planets, that at least one would be set up as such...
and seeing the size of the universe, the fact that we havent been visited by aliens is not even close to proving that there are none...
why does there have to be a begining? why does there have to be a creator? the universe isnt an art project or anything comparable to what man can make: why do we have to question it as such?
Post by: ktm300 on August 14, 2004, 01:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 14 2004, 06:11 AM) |
| if the universe really is as big as it is, and if we really just came about by accident, |
In alot of your posts it sounds as if your are uncertain what you yourself believe, people should be tought HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
WTF is this? if the universe is really as big as it is?
Post by: thomes08 on August 14, 2004, 07:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 14 2004, 06:11 AM) |
| What made you come to these realizations? I never thought you were raised that way, most agnostics or atheists are not, I'm just wondering why you think the way you do.... No, you didn't but what I"m saying is this: if the universe really is as big as it is, and if we really just came about by accident, there should be some very advanced form of alien life out there. We are relatively new to the scene, and so is our solar system. There should've been plenty of opportunity for life to develop elsewhere if it happened as easily as it supposedly did here..... |
yeah the religion in my childhood was a result of my grandmother and in part my mother. My dad never said anything about it either way.
if you believe that you can't travel faster than the speed of light, and if you take a look at how far away the other side (you know what i mean) of the universe is it makes more sense why we don't have aliens flying around everywhere.
Also you have to think about how the stars don't last forever. Wait, do you believe that there was a beginning to the universe? I mean i'm assuming you don't believe the Big Bang or String Theory right? So i dunno how to explain what i want to you in a way you would believe. i dunno....
anyways good day everyone
thomes08
P.S. Isn't it ironic given the title of this thread that we're not arguing about religion again. But now we're onto life outside of earth
Post by: elfey1 on August 14, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: jesusphreak on August 14, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| yeah the religion in my childhood was a result of my grandmother and in part my mother. My dad never said anything about it either way. if you believe that you can't travel faster than the speed of light, and if you take a look at how far away the other side (you know what i mean) of the universe is it makes more sense why we don't have aliens flying around everywhere. |
Really, if you think about it, time is just another dimension, like length, width, and height. We haven't figured out how to move about in this dimension yet, but it does exist. I also think people fail to remember that there is a fifth dimension, the supernatural. I'll be blunt and honest with you. Demons exist. Angels exist. They aren't the stuff of fairytales like we've always been told. They are both extremely powerful, and their recurrence and visitation are very common things in Asia and Africa. We don't see this kind of stuff in America because think about it, why would Satan need to scare us? We already don't believe in the supernatural, why show it to us?
The fact is, if life so easily evolved here despite all of the obstalces placed in it's path, it should've evolved in plenty of other places. Especially considering how young our solar system is, there should be plenty of advanced civilizations.
| QUOTE |
| Also you have to think about how the stars don't last forever. Wait, do you believe that there was a beginning to the universe? I mean i'm assuming you don't believe the Big Bang or String Theory right? So i dunno how to explain what i want to you in a way you would believe. i dunno.... anyways good day everyone |
I know there was a beginning to the universe. The Big Bang theory has been proven by measurements in the movement of galaxies and radiation left over from the beginning of the universe.
You guys keep mentioning that maybe we were just special. We got lucky to have life here. The fact is, we are lucky to have matter of any kind in the universe. It doesn't have just to do with us. It has to do with everything....
I still think for me, one of the biggest selling points of Christianity being the true religion is it's uniqueness. There is not a religion on this globe besides Christianity that believes you aren't saved by your good works. There isn't a religion on this globe that teaches the only way to be "saved" is through a relationship with God.
As I've said before, religion is man trying to make a way to god, Christianity is God making his way to man....
The very fact that it is the ONLY religion teaching this tells me something is up. It ain't just a coincidence.....
But you know, I could go into the prophecies, which are what really got be believing....
Post by: thomes08 on August 14, 2004, 07:21:00 PM
I haven't asked this question since grade school and i didn't get very intelligent responses so i'll ask it again now. If god creates everything that happened, then how did god come to be? And if you don't have an answer for that, is it possible that another god created this god? Why wouldn't that be possible given the things you believe now? Maybe your god is just a pawn in a game of even greater gods. Why do you think nothing could be greater than god? Also please don't respond to my question like "god was just there", cause that's the answer i got when i was 8
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on August 14, 2004, 09:31:00 PM
A man in Africa once said this... "I know there is no god, i've been through time and space and have seen the history of everything. I know how it all happened and i know the meaning of life"
proves it right, cause somebody said it and it's weird.
edit: and if you want to know why there are fossil gaps take a historical geography class or read books on historical geography
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 01:53:00 AM
Also, please don't use random stories to "prove" that angels and demons exist. You must understand that there is still, to this day, no hard evidence of this. It's obviously something we'd like to believe, and screenwriters are banking on it. With steady increases in technology, such as hand-held video cameras and digital photos, still no one has an image of such sightings. Arbitrary stories from unnamed "villages" in countries far far away prove nothing.
A story, fable, legend, myth or any other such piece of information does not provide proof. If this is so, who is the say the beliefs of non-christian religions aren't also right? The pagans have plenty of stories. For that matter, so do the ancient greeks, and so on and so forth.
Post by: thomes08 on August 15, 2004, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on August 15, 2004, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
| QUOTE |
how can you tell him his scientific story doesn't work but your "some village in africa said they saw something" sotry does work? |
These weren't just your average villagers, apparently.
Post by: thomes08 on August 15, 2004, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: jesusphreak on August 15, 2004, 06:42:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| The evidence supporting alien abductions is probably more substantial that the support of instant healings, demons, and angels. Does that mean alien abductions are real? Jesusphreak how do you know all your stories, if true, weren't the work of aliens studying our behavior? |
If these aliens are really behind all of this, as you say, they're pretty messed up little buggers (lol, for lack of a better word). Nearly every single alien abduction has to do with some form of painful experimentation, or something that caused almost every single abductee some form of lasting emotional or physical pain.
I honestly believe that UFOs really are nothing more than the work of demons. The stories are just too similar. What is Satan out to do? Destroy us. What do these aliens seem to be interested in, destroying us, causing us pain.
If they are real, we're screwed plain and simple, as obviously their technology is ten times more advanced than ours.
I'm not hear to explain what I've had nothing to do with. I'm hear to explain what I've seen in my on life. I'm hear to explain a God that is very real.
Simply put, no arguing of mine is going to change your minds. It's between you and God. I will tell you that I know God is real, I KNOW he exists, and I KNOW that he works in my life day after day.
All I can say besides that is if you really want to know if he does exist, if he is real, just give him a chance. Tell him you want to meet him.
It's simple. That's all I'm here to do, not to prove you wrong, or to say a lot of things that you guys would never believe (which I've done).
Jesus Christ died for you, and he loves you, but that's really all I can say. It's up to you to do the rest.....
Post by: The unProfessional on August 15, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
| QUOTE |
Because my story, though maybe unbelievable, is true. |
jesusphreak, you're being arrogant. Your story is somehow authoritatively true? How do you know? Were you there? You say I'm lacking facts. I didn't provide any concrete facts, but I at least provided speculation based on factual evidence. My point was to show you and anyone reading this thread that you're willing to reject any belief other than your own, expecting us to belief empty arguments. Your speculations are a based on a vague story that we're just supposed to swallow?
But my "story", which is actually a hypothesis, is immediately incorrect? I spent many years in communion, confirmation, and genuine faith. The catholic church shunned my family as a result of divorce, effectively enlightening me. I realized that organized religion is essentially a fallable belief system created by man. If I'm destined to meet God, I will. In the meantime, I will remain a very scientific, but open-minded person. If the just and omnipotent God appreciates my morals and values, I'm sure he'll let me know. Until then, I'm my own man. No, I'm not a heathen... but in this day and age full of deceipt, I need some reassurance. So far, you haven't provided me with any.
Post by: thomes08 on August 16, 2004, 12:35:00 AM
i was gonna actually do a serious responne but tUP did it for me
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on August 16, 2004, 07:42:00 PM
The universe is large beyond grasp or reason. Personally, I see it only to be naive (or short-sighted) to discard the idea of ETs.
But here's my primary point. Due to the fact that humans have, and will only exist, for a very short time, in retrospect, our reign of the planet doesn't even compare to the age of Earth (or the solar system, galaxy, etc). So, basically, I have no doubts that ET life exists somewhere, but the chance of meeting them in the same part of the universe at the same time is incredibly unlikely.
Post by: Exige_ on August 16, 2004, 10:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (skeen @ Aug 11 2004, 08:31 AM) |
| He was simply pointing out a fact that Jehovah's Witnesses don't support war, he wasn't preaching to anybody. You don't have to be religious to be knowledgeable and curious about religion(s). In fact I think allot of those who are part of a specific religion have an even less understanding of other religions other than their own. I for one am not religious, however I know quite allot about Christianity and the bible because I find it interesting. I know Jehovah's witnesses have never supported any wars ever. I don't know of any other Christian religions that can say the same. |
the crusades ha, big war. christian driven.
Post by: moistness on August 17, 2004, 06:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (SmallBusinessGuy @ Aug 14 2004, 01:22 AM) |
| You guys are fucking thought nazis quit trying to program people to think like you. A lot of you guys need your asses kicked. |
Well said sir!!
Post by: Oldmanjoe on August 17, 2004, 08:12:00 AM
.Not to say I'm an athiest... But ya know.
Post by: The unProfessional on August 17, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
aliens more tangible. There are some decent photos and other material supporting the idea of aliens reaching Earth, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. A species intelligent enough for safe space travel wouldn't be abducting random idiots for torturous tests. Why study the same species over and over again, one by one? They would either wipe us out, or make intelligent contact.
Post by: Mr. Chips on August 18, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional) |
| There are some decent photos and other material supporting the idea of aliens reaching Earth, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. A species intelligent enough for safe space travel wouldn't be abducting random idiots for torturous tests. Why study the same species over and over again, one by one? They would either wipe us out, or make intelligent contact. |
hear, hear!
I don't beleive any of the abduction stories. They just don't add up. Some people have psychological problems, and most of these 'abductees' are backwood hicks who probably have the worst brain damage.
Haunted houses and ghosts are a joke too. I have to laugh when the 'experts' pick up there electromagnetic activity detectors and show the levels are changing.
yep, that's modern science folks, give a hand for the ghostbusters!
Post by: Mr. Chips on August 18, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Also why would they want to make contact with a spicies that has just emerged from the stone age and is still happly going around murdering there own kind for gread? |
To advance their race, just as we explore space to advance our own.
Post by: The unProfessional on August 19, 2004, 01:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Seriously why would they wipe us out? Just because a civilization has superior technology doesn't mean they go round zapping everything in sight. |
Actually, I said they'd either wipe us out OR make intelligent contact. Why would they abduct a few assholes and leave without further exploration. If they were aggressive, they'd wipe us out. if not, they'd make contact... REAL contact.
But this argument is all for not... there are no aliens visiting earth.
Post by: moistness on August 19, 2004, 03:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (jesusphreak @ Aug 19 2004, 06:06 AM) |
| I'm not asking you to try organized religion. That's what I'm wanting to get away from. Organized religion is the worst thing in the world. It's what produced the Crusades, it's what produced the Untouchable class in India, it's what has produced Islamic terrorists, etc, etc.... All of this was the work of man and not God. Like I've said before. christianity is not religion. Religion is man attempting to reach God (and obviously failing in so many different ways, and Christianity is God reaching man. You reall never will have the chance to know God unless you give him the chance. If you are being so open minded that you say, I'll just wait for God to come to me, or I'll just hope that I'm right, you are really just being close minded, in that you really won't give it a chance. God's already made an attempt to reach you, you just have to accept that. Christ's love, jesusphreak.... |
Read the topic at the top of the page, to you it means shut up!!
Post by: nagmine on August 19, 2004, 11:03:00 AM
also the fact is i think its fine specialy since well this is the Politics, News and Religion section of the forums. If you dont wana read about religion then dont come to this section of the forums simple as that. I mean i personly think its dumb to arguements about politics .... but you dont see me posting a thread like this do you? Some people are confused about religion and they will argue ... so get over it.
Post by: melon on August 20, 2004, 10:22:00 AM
How about the villagers being scared of lions or other big cats???
I think you have taken too much LSD it fucks with your brain, you are seing things which arent there. Its classic symptons.