Post by: pane2k on November 11, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
While many of us are trying to rearrange files on hdd to avoid being banned by this new xbox live detection, it is serving no purpose.
MS is not checking the hdd, and i believe i have proof of this.
At first, like everyone else, i went on to play halo 2. 120gb hdd locked with an xecuter 3. Played all ngiht, woke up next morning and was banned.
When this happend i felt like doing a little experimenting.
Thanks to blackwolf, he was able to supply me with a few eeproms while i did a little bit of testing.
I used an unmodded hdd. Totally original hdd that came locked with this motherboard. Files were not tampered with in ANY way.
Went on xbox live, modchip disabled of course with this locked original untouched hdd.
After playing for about 10 minutes I noticed the color of my x3 switches changed.
Now for those of you are familiar with the x3, red means disabled, blue means enabled and a purplish color means backupmode.
As i was playing and sitting in a lobby waiting for a new game to start, i noticed the color of my switches changed from red to purplish(x3backupmode).
So my assumption here is that MS is scanning or putting power to certain LPC points to detect chips, thats the only reason why my modchip would turn from off to backupmode all on its own.
Sure enough, after the color change, i went on xbox live about 10 hours later, with the same locked original hdd. I was banned. Got the modified xbox error.
Now for a little more proof...
Many of you may or may not know a guy by the name of Peer.
He has a 160gb hdd loaded up with dashboards, apps, etc.
When halo 2 came out, he locked his hard drive, and took his chip of the LPC points.
He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems.
With all the above said, i believe it is very safe to say that MS is somehow checking the LPC points.
What this means? Chip revision? possible.
You also can probably take the chip off the points or unplug it everytime you want to play, which may be lame also.
What i was thinking was if you Take a switch for each LPC wire and solder it in between the motherboard and the chip, by switching it off will cut the chip off completely. So this may be an option, but is not tested yet.
If anyone would care to add, feel free.
Thank You,
pane
Post by: switch263 on November 11, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
First off, my overall stats:
80 gig HDD (Locked)
All apps on F now, C and E reverted back to completely stock.
X2 lite chip
Now, when I wired my switch into my chip, I had to do it a bit retarded-style, since the original X2 lites had a jumper to enable/disable the chip. My switch, then, essentially plays the role of that jumper. As of today, I've been playing Halo 2 online since release day, and I haven't gotten banned yet.
If the LPC powering theory pans out, is it possible that the older generation of chips aren't really succeptable to this problem? Thats what I'm leaning towards, seeing as how I haven't gotten banned yet, and people such as pane have.
Any opinions, or other experiences will be greatly appreciated. I really don't want to get banned. :-/
Post by: bengu on November 11, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
now i have to cancel my subscription dam. I guess I will be buying a new mod chip when the fix this.
Post by: Syphon Filter on November 11, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (switch263 @ Nov 11 2004, 11:33 PM) |
| in response to this, I can see how this could be very possible, given pane2k's experiences with it. I, however, have had a MUCH different experience. First off, my overall stats: 80 gig HDD (Locked) All apps on F now, C and E reverted back to completely stock. X2 lite chip Now, when I wired my switch into my chip, I had to do it a bit retarded-style, since the original X2 lites had a jumper to enable/disable the chip. My switch, then, essentially plays the role of that jumper. As of today, I've been playing Halo 2 online since release day, and I haven't gotten banned yet. If the LPC powering theory pans out, is it possible that the older generation of chips aren't really succeptable to this problem? Thats what I'm leaning towards, seeing as how I haven't gotten banned yet, and people such as pane have. Any opinions, or other experiences will be greatly appreciated. I really don't want to get banned. :-/ |
quite possible...
I too have an x2 lite connected and went on live today at 8am GMT. Not banned as of yet. Just removed my chip fron the LPC tho. Will keep you posted on how it goes.
Post by: XanTium on November 11, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
And people with exploits and TSOP installs also get banned. (atleast that's how it looks like)
Post by: billy_dimashq on November 11, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
as was mentioned, the switch is a bit more physical i bet as it's an on/off switch
that's why i'm scared of these aladdin chips with their 'eject to disable' style
once i fix my xbox hdd mess (see my thread in this very section) i'll try going online just for the hell of it. hey, i'm only using 2 month trials anyway
Post by: dafuzzbudd on November 11, 2004, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: wagner on November 11, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
Or do I have to go through further trouble of getting a new HD and a new EEPROM as well as a new chip? If this is the case, I say screw it. I'm just either going to get a new Xbox or just forget Live altogether.
Post by: X-iRuZ on November 11, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: mastershake on November 11, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
My D0 is wired through a toggle switch. (when said switch is off, D0 is phisically severed). in this case LPC scanning would detect nothing, right?
Post by: switch263 on November 11, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (mastershake @ Nov 12 2004, 12:39 AM) |
| just want to know i'm safe for the "LPC" scare (if it is indeed a scare). My D0 is wired through a toggle switch. (when said switch is off, D0 is phisically severed). in this case LPC scanning would detect nothing, right? |
I'm thinking about wiring one of those in, too, just to be safe.
From the look of this, only newer xbox's have this capability?
We need some input from people who have been banned via this 'method', as to what version xbox they have, etcetera.
Post by: Decado1 on November 11, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
All I want to do is DL some additional content (should only take one try). Don't really care if I can't play on LIVE! after that.
thanks
Post by: mkjones on November 11, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: bLiZZaRd1284 on November 11, 2004, 03:55:00 PM
i have a 250gb hd never been on live, and i'm getting a new eeproms from [email protected], i'm going to install everything lock the hd and take of my x2.3b lite + chip and just play live 2nite and see if i get banned tomorrow
anyone else think i should do this or is this just a waste of time and M$ is really checking hd model #'s
This post has been edited by bLiZZaRd1284: Nov 11 2004, 11:59 PM
Post by: Kopite_84 on November 11, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: VeggetoX on November 11, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: da80m8 on November 11, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (pane2k @ Nov 11 2004, 10:22 PM) |
| He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems. |
Pardon my ignorance, but I was under the impression that you pretty much couldn't use a non-stock HDD at all without a chip. I mean, without the chip, wouldn't it boot the MS BIOS? And if it booted the MS BIOS, wouldn't you get a HDD error if you had a 160GB drive hooked up? If this is a noob assumption and I missed something obvious, I apologize, but please explain. Thanks.
Post by: Decado1 on November 11, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
Also, M$ can't do anything to screw up your Xbox beyond being banned from LIVE play if you try LIVE with your chip not active, right?
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (purbeast @ Nov 12 2004, 01:13 AM) |
| I am playing fine with an x2.2 lite chip and a stock HD. I haven't had a problem yet at all, and don't plan on it. |
well, yeah, purbeast... you didn't even change the hdd... so there would be no problem... but if you changed the hdd after this moment with the same eeprom and same gt, then you'd be banned...
Post by: bengu on November 11, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| bengu, i think they could've flagged your gamertag if you used the same one. ya see, i think (based on all the information i've read) that they ban your hdd and your eeprom, right? and they also flag your gamertag. so when you put in your virgin eeprom and virgin hdd, they already flagged your gt. so they searched your xbox and found hardware that was DIFFERENT from before. and that's why you're banned... |
Getting a new gt is the only thing I didnt do because that didnt make sense to me, Because What your saying is if I go and play on some ones stock xbox with my gamer tag from a memory unit there xbox would also get banned. Also I did try and go to start a new account after i got baned and I could not do that.
If you ask me that is a little bit extreme and I dont think M$ would do that but then again maybe they would.
If I were to try this again with a new gamer tag do I have to use a different hd? If not can some one give me a eeprom to find out.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 04:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (bengu @ Nov 12 2004, 01:21 AM) |
| Getting a new gt is the only thing I didnt do because that didnt make sense to me, Because What your saying is if I go and play on some ones stock xbox with my gamer tag from a memory unit there xbox would also get banned. Also I did try and go to start a new account after i got baned and I could not do that. If you ask me that is a little bit extreme and I dont think M$ would do that but then again maybe they would. If I were to try this again with a new gamer tag do I have to use a different hd? If not can some one give me a eeprom to find out. |
hrm... i guess you're right bengu... so i really don't know how you got banned that time... -ponders-
anyways... you should get material that has not contact xbox live prior to this moment. so you don't necessarily need a brand new hdd if you have one that hasn't touched xbox live. ya know what i'm sayin'?
Post by: Barnolde on November 11, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
If I got a new retail Xbox and copied my gamertag over to it via a memory card, would I have any chance of being banned? I haven't see any positive proof of a gamertag being flagged, and if it's put on a regular Xbox, I don't see how that could cause a problem. I mean, it's using retail stuff, so I don't see how they could justify it and if for some reason they did, you could say that you share the gamertag with a sibling who had a modded Xbox or something. Basically, I want to play on Live, but don't want to get a new gamertag.
Post by: lowsodium on November 11, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: soulz4u on November 11, 2004, 05:02:00 PM
soul
Post by: ericdude on November 11, 2004, 05:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kopite_84 @ Nov 12 2004, 12:57 AM) |
| I look forward to any info on this from anyone with an Alladin. I myslef have yet to be banned with an Alladin. But it's been less that 24 hours. |
I've got an Aladdin chip and I've been playing Halo2 on live since the release day. I've got an upgraded HD too.
Post by: Rombus on November 11, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: wagner on November 11, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Been on Xbox Live for about 6 months
Got the same Xbox modded recently, about a month ago. Played Xbox Live fine.
Banned on November 9th.
I'm reading so many variables and theories and there are some people who still aren't banned, which makes it even more confusing as to how M$ is doing this.
Post by: airviper127 on November 11, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
thankyou everyone trying to crack the way back to xbl, good luck
Post by: airviper127 on November 11, 2004, 05:56:00 PM
Ever since this mass banning has occured I have been logging on to live ever day since, I have a XBIT, with a 80gb locked hdd. I first joined Live when my xbox was totally unmodded, when I added my 80gb I did an account recovery, and got my Live account back. I used the Xdisk to install the dashboards etc...I ftp'd to my box and noticed that my c: had evox files and other dashboard files on it, so I put the xbit to stealth mode, yesterday logged onto Live and still wasnt banned, I just tried it tonight and I'm still not banned yet, mind you I havent taken the new update yet cause I haven't been able to get my hands on a retail verison of Halo 2 yet... I also think I'm not banned yet, because I did a account recovery after I installed my new hdd, so by doin this would of updated the Live database with the new hd serial, so pretty much Live things I recovered my account on to another box... oh ya I'm using the 4983.07 bios . If I get banned after the halo 2 update I'll let ya know...
soul
Hey just to let you know iam running a similar setup: xbit and 120 gb hd.
when i installed new hd i did acount recovery too but i was still banned.
i have never been baned untill yesterday im using 4981 bios.
Post by: Lehrin on November 11, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (bLiZZaRd1284 @ Nov 11 2004, 04:52 PM) |
| Well my gt as been banned a lot............. by a lot i mean about 4 for 5 times. Since i recently got banned i had been on live for a long time i'd say about 6 months playing like everyday..... i have a 2.3b lite + 250GB i was recently banned when playing halo 2 on live.... i so i went out and get a new xbox from wal mart cus there is a 90 return thing.... so i'm keeping it till time hole thing is fixed. i have been playing on live w/ the new xbox w/ my gt that been banned about 4 or 5 time w/ the new retail xbox for about 2 days now and still not banned so i don't believe that gamertags are getting flaged or banned........... on another note My older bro was also banned also has an xbox w/ a 120 gb w/ a TSOP mod and a switch so for his we tryed getting a new eeprom, new hdd same model and size, and new gt, he was able to play on live for one nite and the next day he was banned again..... |
You should edit your post to remove your tag... m$ browses these forums.
Post by: dzv on November 11, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
However, I still don't think they are scanning all LPC buses, just when a flagged GT logs in. You never know when this could change, though...
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (soulz4u @ Nov 12 2004, 02:05 AM) |
| Ever since this mass banning has occured I have been logging on to live ever day since, I have a XBIT, with a 80gb locked hdd. I first joined Live when my xbox was totally unmodded, when I added my 80gb I did an account recovery, and got my Live account back. I used the Xdisk to install the dashboards etc...I ftp'd to my box and noticed that my c: had evox files and other dashboard files on it, so I put the xbit to stealth mode, yesterday logged onto Live and still wasnt banned, I just tried it tonight and I'm still not banned yet, mind you I havent taken the new update yet cause I haven't been able to get my hands on a retail verison of Halo 2 yet... I also think I'm not banned yet, because I did a account recovery after I installed my new hdd, so by doin this would of updated the Live database with the new hd serial, so pretty much Live things I recovered my account on to another box... oh ya I'm using the 4983.07 bios . If I get banned after the halo 2 update I'll let ya know... soul |
the question is when did you install your hdd?
Post by: inVinCiBleGaMa on November 11, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
too much conflicting info. too hard to reach ANY conclusion. each topic leans to one theory and its allll veeeeerrrryyy confusing.
We MUST setup a unified poll or a form for xbox modders with this info.
Xbox version : 1.X
HDD : Stock / Modified
Any "alien" files on C / E : Yes / No
Date Xbox modchipped : XX\XX\XXXX
Date HDD Modified : XX\XX\XXXX
Date signed up 4 XbLive : XX\XX\XXXX
Halo 2 : Yes/No
Last time accessing Live : XX\XX\XXXX
Mod name: XXXXXXXXXXXX
HDD model: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Post by: FreewayX327 on November 11, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
anyways ive been banned twice before. so i have a total of 3 different eeproms that ms could have. i have a 2.3b lite WITH a xapter. could this be the key thats saving me from being banned?? i dont see how it could be but i hope it is.
Post by: FreewayX327 on November 11, 2004, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: dzv on November 11, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (FreewayX327 @ Nov 12 2004, 02:10 PM) |
| im not actually sure. it was before the summer. maybe in march-april |
In that case, it's quite possible your GT has not been flagged.
Post by: smokeingit on November 11, 2004, 07:58:00 PM
funny thou, i had another xbox that had never been online and a 200 i removed from my crap computer, put them togther and installed all the software and locked it with my smartxx chip then removed the chip then went online with it....
got banned the next day.
i do feel that people that are going online with new games suck as dead or alive or halo 2 are getting banned because both games check systems. both default.xbe files check the status of your system.
if you dont do online with either of these games then you should be okay.
Post by: dzv on November 11, 2004, 08:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (smokeingit @ Nov 12 2004, 03:01 PM) |
| i do feel that people that are going online with new games suck as dead or alive or halo 2 are getting banned because both games check systems. both default.xbe files check the status of your system. if you dont do online with either of these games then you should be okay. |
These new games may be one cause of recent bannings, but there are plenty of people (including myself) who have been banned without playing any of the new games or leaked games.
Post by: pane2k on November 11, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
Many friends of mine have been playing for months. The second they did the halo 2 update, the following morning they were banned.
Post by: automator2k on November 11, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (mkjones @ Nov 12 2004, 12:46 AM) |
| What about the softmodders that are being banned too? |
serious i couldnt find anyone talking about it so i finally just restored my soft moded hdd to backup and still got banned, but my friend did the same and did not, not sure what the hell is goin on.
Post by: billy_dimashq on November 12, 2004, 03:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (bengu @ Nov 12 2004, 12:21 AM) |
| Getting a new gt is the only thing I didnt do because that didnt make sense to me, Because What your saying is if I go and play on some ones stock xbox with my gamer tag from a memory unit there xbox would also get banned. Also I did try and go to start a new account after i got baned and I could not do that. If you ask me that is a little bit extreme and I dont think M$ would do that but then again maybe they would. If I were to try this again with a new gamer tag do I have to use a different hd? If not can some one give me a eeprom to find out. |
dunno if someones already mentioned this (just skimming through the pages)
but, if you took your gamertag to another xbox, then ms wouldn't mind as the xbox's eeprom AND hdd are different, whereas changing your hdd means your eeprom is the same BUT your hdd is different, that's how they spot a hardware change, i guess you could compare it to windows xp's activation to an extent (only as far as hardware changes though)
hence if you were to, say, sell your unbanned xbox and get a new one, and put your gt on that, then you'd have no problem apparently
Post by: billy_dimashq on November 12, 2004, 03:48:00 AM
i've been fine on it so far, been playing it last night and this morning. before i went online though, i went through my save games and removed all references to emus/apps (boxplorer, xbmc, surreal64, etc) and also formatted my C,E,X,Y and Z drives and started afresh with a clean 4920 dash and no save games)
i'm looking into maybe automating a procedure whereby i move all unnecessary saves (such as xbmc, emus etc) to the F drive, then turn off my chip and go into live. when i wanna play emus or whatever, i can just copy the saves back to E, all through evox commands. does anyone know if evox can do moving and deleting from the evox.ini like you can copy and format?)
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 04:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (pane2k @ Nov 11 2004, 11:22 PM) |
| Hey guys whats up. While many of us are trying to rearrange files on hdd to avoid being banned by this new xbox live detection, it is serving no purpose. MS is not checking the hdd, and i believe i have proof of this. At first, like everyone else, i went on to play halo 2. 120gb hdd locked with an xecuter 3. Played all ngiht, woke up next morning and was banned. When this happend i felt like doing a little experimenting. Thanks to blackwolf, he was able to supply me with a few eeproms while i did a little bit of testing. I used an unmodded hdd. Totally original hdd that came locked with this motherboard. Files were not tampered with in ANY way. Went on xbox live, modchip disabled of course with this locked original untouched hdd. After playing for about 10 minutes I noticed the color of my x3 switches changed. Now for those of you are familiar with the x3, red means disabled, blue means enabled and a purplish color means backupmode. As i was playing and sitting in a lobby waiting for a new game to start, i noticed the color of my switches changed from red to purplish(x3backupmode). So my assumption here is that MS is scanning or putting power to certain LPC points to detect chips, thats the only reason why my modchip would turn from off to backupmode all on its own. Sure enough, after the color change, i went on xbox live about 10 hours later, with the same locked original hdd. I was banned. Got the modified xbox error. Now for a little more proof... Many of you may or may not know a guy by the name of Peer. He has a 160gb hdd loaded up with dashboards, apps, etc. When halo 2 came out, he locked his hard drive, and took his chip of the LPC points. He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems. With all the above said, i believe it is very safe to say that MS is somehow checking the LPC points. What this means? Chip revision? possible. You also can probably take the chip off the points or unplug it everytime you want to play, which may be lame also. What i was thinking was if you Take a switch for each LPC wire and solder it in between the motherboard and the chip, by switching it off will cut the chip off completely. So this may be an option, but is not tested yet. If anyone would care to add, feel free. Thank You, pane |
I don't see what makes this confirmed :-\
| QUOTE |
Now for a little more proof... Many of you may or may not know a guy by the name of Peer. He has a 160gb hdd loaded up with dashboards, apps, etc. When halo 2 came out, he locked his hard drive, and took his chip of the LPC points. He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems. |
It will only be confirmed if Peer replaces his X3 modchip and thus gets banned
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 04:33:00 AM
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings - AKA Marriage Theory
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 12, 2004, 04:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (billy_dimashq @ Nov 12 2004, 12:41 PM) |
| dunno if someones already mentioned this (just skimming through the pages) but, if you took your gamertag to another xbox, then ms wouldn't mind as the xbox's eeprom AND hdd are different, whereas changing your hdd means your eeprom is the same BUT your hdd is different, that's how they spot a hardware change, i guess you could compare it to windows xp's activation to an extent (only as far as hardware changes though) hence if you were to, say, sell your unbanned xbox and get a new one, and put your gt on that, then you'd have no problem apparently |
that makes sense, billy.
thanks for the info.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 12, 2004, 04:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (pane2k @ Nov 11 2004, 11:22 PM) |
| Hey guys whats up. While many of us are trying to rearrange files on hdd to avoid being banned by this new xbox live detection, it is serving no purpose. MS is not checking the hdd, and i believe i have proof of this. At first, like everyone else, i went on to play halo 2. 120gb hdd locked with an xecuter 3. Played all ngiht, woke up next morning and was banned. When this happend i felt like doing a little experimenting. Thanks to blackwolf, he was able to supply me with a few eeproms while i did a little bit of testing. I used an unmodded hdd. Totally original hdd that came locked with this motherboard. Files were not tampered with in ANY way. Went on xbox live, modchip disabled of course with this locked original untouched hdd. After playing for about 10 minutes I noticed the color of my x3 switches changed. Now for those of you are familiar with the x3, red means disabled, blue means enabled and a purplish color means backupmode. As i was playing and sitting in a lobby waiting for a new game to start, i noticed the color of my switches changed from red to purplish(x3backupmode). So my assumption here is that MS is scanning or putting power to certain LPC points to detect chips, thats the only reason why my modchip would turn from off to backupmode all on its own. Sure enough, after the color change, i went on xbox live about 10 hours later, with the same locked original hdd. I was banned. Got the modified xbox error. Now for a little more proof... Many of you may or may not know a guy by the name of Peer. He has a 160gb hdd loaded up with dashboards, apps, etc. When halo 2 came out, he locked his hard drive, and took his chip of the LPC points. He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems. With all the above said, i believe it is very safe to say that MS is somehow checking the LPC points. What this means? Chip revision? possible. You also can probably take the chip off the points or unplug it everytime you want to play, which may be lame also. What i was thinking was if you Take a switch for each LPC wire and solder it in between the motherboard and the chip, by switching it off will cut the chip off completely. So this may be an option, but is not tested yet. If anyone would care to add, feel free. Thank You, pane |
what were the versions of the xboxes on yours and peer's xboxes?
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 04:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (speciestraitor @ Nov 12 2004, 01:32 PM) |
| I have an XBIT w/120gb hdd. I have played extensively on live with the chip in stealth mode the last 3 days (easily 20 hrs) and have had no problems whatsoever. I Got my xbox (v 1.3), signed up for live then modded & upgraded HDD - doing a Live account recovery. I'm runnin the M7 bios. I haven't moved any files around at all - I have unsigned code in the c: drive, e: drive and f: drives. I do not and never had any saves from the french version of Halo 2. Just now though something odd happened. I had Halo 2 in my dvd drive, unplugged my network cable, launched Unleash X - Launched XBMC, tooled around with the newest build, returned to Unleash X and launched 'DVD Media' to start playing the H2 SP campaign. The wierd thing was it loaded up in black and white/grey and remained on black and white/grey until I reset and loaded H2 through the MSDash. This was the first and only time I tried loading it with the XBIT on. I read in the other posts in this thread that H2 dropped a file somewhere on the HDD - a file that may have left data detecting a mod chip. I skimmed through a couple other threads here and can't find it again. One thread being 39 pgs and if I were to search for 'Halo 2' or 'file' it would be near impossible to find an exact match,so if anyone knows what file H2 may drop in the the HDD and can lead me in the right direction where to find it, that would be awesome. Or if anyone knows why it would have loaded in black and white/grey - that would be a great help also. Thanks! |
I think you meant this post
http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1988301
which is a red herring
Post by: hnic6040 on November 12, 2004, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: Takenover83 on November 12, 2004, 06:11:00 AM
1.4 xbox (its a halo LE Xbox) with Xecuter 2.3b Lite+ with 250g Harddrive. I boot with two different bios's, Xecuter 4981.06 and Ind-5003(both block Live). I disable the mod via the switch panel before I go on live.
Everything dashboard related is stored on the F partition. C partition is untouched. So im running in stealth mode. I have no save-hacks(exploits) on the E partition.
I created my gamertag after I moded my xbox.
I have been playing on xbox live with this setup for awhile now. I have been playing Halo 2 online sence release.
So no problems for me yet.
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 06:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| So far, I'm an example of this situation not holding true in all cases. I got my Xbox (v1.0) at xmas of '02. Bought a Live subscription when I bought the Xbox. Just modded my system this past June. - Xecuter 2.3B Lite chip - WD 200GB HD - EvoX 4977 (installed from Slayer's install ISO) - Crap all over the place on the HD (wherever Slayer's disk put it, that's where it is) Before I upgraded my HD, I FTP'd everything on my stock HD to my computer, then FTP'd all of that back to the new one once it was installed. I picked up Halo 2 at 7PM ET on 11/9 and have been playing online every day since then. I've signed in and out at least ten times in those three days, and I have not been banned yet. I also have not turned my modchip on since I loaded up Halo 2. I saw someone suggest that the Halo 2 disk leaves a piece of software on the HD that checks for mod software, and maybe me not turning on the modchip since I ran Halo 2 for the first time has something to do with it. I have no idea, I don't know how most of this works. |
Your experience confirms "Marriage Theory" and refutes "LPC Scanning"
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 06:26:00 AM
Post by: Takenover83 on November 12, 2004, 06:32:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Why is everyone so resistant to the idea the MS MIGHT JUST BE CHECKING THE HARD DRIVE SIZE?! Since Xboxes come stock w/ an 8GB hard drive, all they'd have to do is check the size, see it's larger than an xbox has ever come with, query for serial numbers off the box, the ban you every time you try to log back on with it. It's pretty much that simple. To code to check hard drive size is NOT that complex. |
From my understanding the retail bios can only see the original partition table. So if the retail bios cant see partitons F and G(and what ever other partitons you created) then it has no choice but to assume that its a standard 8-10 gig retail HD.
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 07:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (billy_dimashq @ Nov 12 2004, 10:51 PM) |
| i'm looking into maybe automating a procedure whereby i move all unnecessary saves (such as xbmc, emus etc) to the F drive, then turn off my chip and go into live. when i wanna play emus or whatever, i can just copy the saves back to E, all through evox commands. does anyone know if evox can do moving and deleting from the evox.ini like you can copy and format?) |
Not sure about EvoX, but you could definitely do this using UnleashX. It has pretty decent scripting capabilities.
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (zesty @ Nov 13 2004, 12:53 AM) |
| So far, I'm an example of this situation not holding true in all cases. I got my Xbox (v1.0) at xmas of '02. Bought a Live subscription when I bought the Xbox. Just modded my system this past June. - Xecuter 2.3B Lite chip - WD 200GB HD - EvoX 4977 (installed from Slayer's install ISO) - Crap all over the place on the HD (wherever Slayer's disk put it, that's where it is) Before I upgraded my HD, I FTP'd everything on my stock HD to my computer, then FTP'd all of that back to the new one once it was installed. I picked up Halo 2 at 7PM ET on 11/9 and have been playing online every day since then. I've signed in and out at least ten times in those three days, and I have not been banned yet. I also have not turned my modchip on since I loaded up Halo 2. I saw someone suggest that the Halo 2 disk leaves a piece of software on the HD that checks for mod software, and maybe me not turning on the modchip since I ran Halo 2 for the first time has something to do with it. I have no idea, I don't know how most of this works. |
Possibly the most important part of your post is the fact that you say you did your mods in June. This would tend to indicate that MS started 'marrying' EEPROMS/HDDs some time in or after June.
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 13 2004, 01:29 AM) |
| There are plenty of people with large HDs who are still not banned. Also Xbox HDs are not all 8GB..a year ago some were 20gb and so maybe they're even larger now. |
No, they never had 20G HDDs in them. They have only ever had 8 or 10 G HDDs in them.
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 07:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 13 2004, 02:19 AM) |
| Really? I must have aquired a mystery 20gb HD then and lost my original XBox one.. i spose these things happen. |
Was that sarcasm? Do you have proof of this 20G stock Xbox HDD?
Post by: Pikachu on November 12, 2004, 07:34:00 AM
Post by: Shiro on November 12, 2004, 07:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (soulz4u @ Nov 12 2004, 02:05 AM) |
| Ever since this mass banning has occured I have been logging on to live ever day since, I have a XBIT, with a 80gb locked hdd. I first joined Live when my xbox was totally unmodded, when I added my 80gb I did an account recovery, and got my Live account back. I used the Xdisk to install the dashboards etc...I ftp'd to my box and noticed that my c: had evox files and other dashboard files on it, so I put the xbit to stealth mode, yesterday logged onto Live and still wasnt banned, I just tried it tonight and I'm still not banned yet, mind you I havent taken the new update yet cause I haven't been able to get my hands on a retail verison of Halo 2 yet... I also think I'm not banned yet, because I did a account recovery after I installed my new hdd, so by doin this would of updated the Live database with the new hd serial, so pretty much Live things I recovered my account on to another box... oh ya I'm using the 4983.07 bios . If I get banned after the halo 2 update I'll let ya know... soul |
I did exactly the same thing as you .. but i am banned.
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
I know that a lot of people have mistakenly thought they have a 20G HDD, because on the HDD sticker they see something like "LBA 20,005,650" and think that it must be a 20G HDD. These HDDs are not 20G.
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: lookformeb on November 12, 2004, 07:47:00 AM
My Setup:
- Xbox v1.0
- 160GB Locked Samsung HDD
- SmartXX v2
- Never used any leaked / pirated games
- All gamesaves are legit
- Standard dashboard files on C: and apps, etc on e:, f:
Those who know nothing about this will not agree, but perhaps SmartXX's design relating to the Crypt-Stealth Technology is exactly all it's cracked up to be.
Post by: DirtyL on November 12, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (Pikachu @ Nov 12 2004, 04:37 PM) |
| dzv, supposedly there is one. I have heard. It was rare but basically you had to reformat the hdd and you would get a 20gb drive. It would come from factory formatted as a 8-10 gb drive though. |
Sounds like corrupted memories (the soft squishy type
)As far as I know there are only 8 and 10GB drives, and they all come formatted as 8GB drives.
If there was a 20GB drive, it would come formatted as 8GB too.
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 08:31:00 AM
http://www.xbox-scen...lAATlxdVarY.php
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 08:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 13 2004, 03:30 AM) |
| Hold tight 20GB doubters: http://www.xbox-emul...mber-2002.shtml Mines PAL, bought in the UK version 1.3. |
They made the same mistake of reading the LBA size
Post by: jabberwock on November 12, 2004, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: fuzzai on November 12, 2004, 08:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Nov 12 2004, 10:50 AM) |
| Just my input: I'v been on Halo2 since it came out... Guess what? No bans yet (knock on wood). My Setup: - Xbox v1.0 - 160GB Locked Samsung HDD - SmartXX v2 - Never used any leaked / pirated games - All gamesaves are legit - Standard dashboard files on C: and apps, etc on e:, f: Those who know nothing about this will not agree, but perhaps SmartXX's design relating to the Crypt-Stealth Technology is exactly all it's cracked up to be. |
i have a smartxx v2. no leaked game plays. all saves are legit.
40 gig Locked HD. and i went on ONCE with CHIP OFF to download a golf course from Links 2004, and a day after that i was banned.
Post by: CamdogXIII on November 12, 2004, 08:41:00 AM
Never been on XBL, modded my V1.4 or 5 xbox in march of this year and have no foreign files on c or e? and what would be a easy way to disable my chip so M$ can't detect it? i got DSL specifically for live and i don't want to get banned.
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (fuzzai @ Nov 12 2004, 05:39 PM) |
| i have a smartxx v2. no leaked game plays. all saves are legit. 40 gig Locked HD. and i went on ONCE with CHIP OFF to download a golf course from Links 2004, and a day after that i was banned. |
When you say once? you mean EVER?
when did you first connect your xbox to XBL?
Post by: dzv on November 12, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (DirtyL @ Nov 13 2004, 03:20 AM) |
| BS, I think the simple detection by MS is checking how much space is on your harddrive. Just like any other MS product they cannot check your machine unless you give them permission to do so. They have software that checks available harddrive space which is legal to do for updates and game saves. If your drive shows are being over the 10gigs that come with xbox then your going to get banned. |
When the chip is off, and the retail BIOS is loaded, the Xbox actually is not capable of reading any data above the 8g limit. The partition table is located in the BIOS, and the MS BIOS only allows for 8g of HDD usage. So, I don't believe there is any way for MS to ban you based on how much space you have on your HDD, because when you are on Live with the chip off, they can only see 8g, no matter what HDD you have in there.
| QUOTE |
| There is not enough voltage being taken from the mod chip to detect it on the soldered pins. The chip is turned off so the is no way to send a signal to it, (switches route electrical signals) acts as pathways, if there is no path no signal can go down to detect it. |
I'm afraid this part is wrong, too. The majority of modchips do not actually 'switch off' when you disable them. The disable switch only disconnects the D0 from ground, telling the Xbox to boot from TSOP. However, the modchip is still powered up on the LPC, and it would communicate with any signals it receives. This 'flaw' has been (for the most part) fixed in the newer chips because of the need for the chip to be fully powered off when disabled in v1.6 Xboxes.
Post by: Orangey on November 12, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 12, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: dmauro on November 12, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (HoRnEyDvL @ Nov 12 2004, 06:37 PM) |
| DOnt know if this might work but ppl that belive it scaning for modchip have any 1 tried flashing an original bios image onto teh chip if it checks for bios image wont it read its original there for returning back as no chip?. |
This is certainly an interesting idea.
Post by: Killa420 on November 12, 2004, 09:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Orangey @ Nov 12 2004, 06:29 PM) |
| I am probably gonna buy a parts machine off eBay with a Bad DVD, and switch it with my Samsung, and re-sell my XBOX |
Yea cool. Way to rip someone else off b/c you got banned. You better let them know they cant access live b/c what goes around comes around.
Post by: Big HDD on November 12, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
i was banned by getting the modified soft/hardware msg and my box was remade with original matching hdd, and no modded nething about it
all i had was a beaten honestly gamesave of halo 2 with foundation.....and i got banned.....ne idea why this is?
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 12, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
If not connect a multi meter or something & monitor each lpc pin see if anyhing changes. i dont know how there doing these scans unless the added some new software codes into the new live dash.
as for softmods been banned i dont have a theroy for that.
Post by: dmauro on November 12, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (Big HDD @ Nov 12 2004, 06:50 PM) |
| ok, i got another banning story i was banned by getting the modified soft/hardware msg and my box was remade with original matching hdd, and no modded nething about it all i had was a beaten honestly gamesave of halo 2 with foundation.....and i got banned.....ne idea why this is? |
please be more specific. your post is a little confusing.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 12, 2004, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Heykrop on November 12, 2004, 09:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (HoRnEyDvL @ Nov 12 2004, 01:37 PM) |
| DOnt know if this might work but ppl that belive it scaning for modchip have any 1 tried flashing an original bios image onto teh chip if it checks for bios image wont it read its original there for returning back as no chip?. |
I'm not an expert by any means but I think that if they are triggering the LPC it is not to look for a BIOS image. It would be to see if there is a device AKA mod chip that responds. ie. trigger the LPC to see if there is something that suddenly becomes active on the bus when there should not be anything there. An example was from one post that said his X3 was cycling modes on it's own. Also as another person posted about that. He stated that he could tell if they triggered his chip because his hacked bios has an eject ring color applied. ie. original boot is green mod bios is red. This would not matter as triggering the chip is not going to load the mod bios therfore the ring would remain green. What to look for in this case would be if your chip has an activity indicator like the X3 to display what mode it is in. A chameleon has a light but would not indicate durring this because it only works when an app has the proper code to trigger it and I don't believe M$ would be so kind as to turn on the light when they tickle the LPC.
Post by: Orangey on November 12, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (Killa420 @ Nov 12 2004, 10:44 AM) |
| Yea cool. Way to rip someone else off b/c you got banned. You better let them know they cant access live b/c what goes around comes around. |
I have no intention of ripping anybody off. I have over 650 feedback on eBay, I would never jeopardize the integrity of my current business by selling a bum product. I would switch the DVD Drive, and part out my current XBOX and sell the motherboard as DOA. Cheers Mate.
Post by: dhau on November 12, 2004, 10:06:00 AM
I don't mind getting banned this Xbox, because then I can flash the tsop with X2 and flash the modchip with debig bios and try some development on it. I have two spare LE boxen - 1.4 Green and 1.6 Crystal, sitting in the closet doing nothing... I don't think I'll ever mod those. May be only after Xbox is phased out, and the only way to play is via XBConnect-like Xbox Link tunneling programs.
Post by: Killa420 on November 12, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (Orangey @ Nov 12 2004, 07:08 PM) |
| I have no intention of ripping anybody off. I have over 650 feedback on eBay, I would never jeopardize the integrity of my current business by selling a bum product. I would switch the DVD Drive, and part out my current XBOX and sell the motherboard as DOA. Cheers Mate. |
Thats cool. People who try stuff like that piss me off. They get screwed so in return try to make a profit and screw someone else
Post by: Heykrop on November 12, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (dhau @ Nov 12 2004, 02:09 PM) |
| Xbox 1.1, Chameleon 1.8 w/ X2 4983 bios, Seagate 120GB HDD. Lots of garbage on C and E, but no saves from leaks. Activated XBL after HDD swap in March 2004. Never booted Halo 2 with modchip enabled. Still can play online with no problems. I don't mind getting banned this Xbox, because then I can flash the tsop with X2 and flash the modchip with debig bios and try some development on it. I have two spare LE boxen - 1.4 Green and 1.6 Crystal, sitting in the closet doing nothing... I don't think I'll ever mod those. May be only after Xbox is phased out, and the only way to play is via XBConnect-like Xbox Link tunneling programs. |
Personally in this case I would like to know if switching back the stock hard drive will get you banned. I added my drive before i signed up for live and had planned on putting the original back in and adding a switch to go between drives. Using the original for LIVE and the bigger one for everything else. If the drive marriage theory is true then doing this should result in a ban. I do not want to test it cuz I don''t have the finances to get my self unbanned as of right now.
Post by: Killa420 on November 12, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: mc_365 on November 12, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
And as for LPC points... although possible I don't think it is that. No one has been able to return thier box to xlive just by removing chip.
A good experiment for some one with multiple boxes would be to go on live and get banned then take the chip out and swap in working eeprom and motherboard combo on the band motherboard, recover account from mem card and log in, if in for 72 hours, reinstall chip to motherboard with LPC mod then log in, if in for 72 hours, remove LPC mod and install chip as normally, log in if banned there you have it.
Post by: Penfoldian on November 12, 2004, 10:37:00 AM
So many thoeries ! ideas !! they are all bullshit!! stop Causing panic!
for fuk sake! go buy a new Xbox and be kool!! for these are the chances you take when u mod your box!! Get over it!!!
Post by: dhau on November 12, 2004, 10:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 12 2004, 07:34 PM) |
| with all the games u guys ripped off, why not buy a refurbed xbox? |
Good point. A dual-xbox setup is the most reliable way to both enjoy modchip advantages and play on XBL. I personally didn't rip off any games at all, since there is no good games on Xbox other then Halo and Halo 2, and Halo PC is better then Halo Xbox, so basicly I only use Xbox to play Halo 2, which I own. All other games are either not appealing to my tastes, or are also available on PS2 and/or PC.
Post by: smokeingit on November 12, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: kakelkund on November 12, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Nov 12 2004, 04:50 PM) |
| Just my input: I'v been on Halo2 since it came out... Guess what? No bans yet (knock on wood). My Setup: - Xbox v1.0 - 160GB Locked Samsung HDD - SmartXX v2 - Never used any leaked / pirated games - All gamesaves are legit - Standard dashboard files on C: and apps, etc on e:, f: Those who know nothing about this will not agree, but perhaps SmartXX's design relating to the Crypt-Stealth Technology is exactly all it's cracked up to be. |
I also had my hope on the Live Detection Prevention with Crypt-Stealth Technology feature of SmartXX. But Xor, the Super Moderator in SmartXX forums tells us that the Live Detection Prevention with Crypt-Stealth Technology doesn´t work anymore...
Recent Xbox Live Bans and Theories in SmartXX forum
Post by: Penfoldian on November 12, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (smokeingit @ Nov 12 2004, 07:46 PM) |
| i dont understand what the hell is going on either.. my 200 gig xbox was banned and its been the same HD for the past year with the X3 chip. just upgraded the chips, but my friend that has a 160 gig with my old chip in his my X2 pro has yet to be banned.... note... it has been the same exact HD since the introduction of LBA 48 and i have been online ever since. |
Yeah i shot him in the head on RB63BA the other day...where were you?
Nah serious, I would like to tell you a thoery but I hate em right now! so read the previous posts and make it out for your self.
Post by: krajyk on November 12, 2004, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: tank1916 on November 12, 2004, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: Panick on November 12, 2004, 11:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (krajyk @ Nov 12 2004, 08:30 PM) |
| Has anyone tried this? You are on Live with a stock box. You mod your box and wait to go online when Halo 2 comes out. Then before going onto LIve for the first time, you get a new Live account and you go on Live for the first time with modded box. Would you get banned? According to the marriage theory where the HD and EEProm combo is stored, is it keyed off the Live account or something from your box (maybe MAC address)? |
If you are buying into the theory that M$ is keeping a database of which HDs are with which EEPROMs then it doesn't matter what gamertag you use if you modify it. The system would check the EEPROM against it's database and if the HD serial number didn't match what was in it, that EEPROM gets banned. That would also explain how any "special" giant hard drive edition XBoxes don't get banned. The first time you use Live the system stores the EEPROM and links it to the HD serial number. After that if you ever change the HD without swapping to a new EEPROM you can bet on being banned. This would also explain how some people who modded their XBoxes before they ever went on Live don't get banned.
There is no reason M$ can't be using both the LPC check and the HD serial check as compliments to each other. Defeating them both is also fairly easy once you figure out exactly what they're doing for detection.
Post by: Killa420 on November 12, 2004, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: mc_365 on November 12, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Devastator36 on November 12, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: Killa420 on November 12, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 12:13:00 PM
going on the possible lpc scan, you said that even if the d0 is switched off, they may be able to read it. what if the incoming power was switched off also? i know this could take some "old school" wiring, but could be another possible "prevention".
thanks for the info.
btw, if you do think that switching both power and ground off to the chip would work, which pin(s) is power. i'm thinking #9?
Post by: pimpkid on November 12, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
a switch on wire #9 is not a guarantee that the chip won't draw power, i've modded several xboxes w/ cheapmods and verified that even with #9 completely disconnected, the chip still draws power and WILL function (x2's will still draw power on other points, but will not boot).
sliding the chip off of the pin header would probably do the trick, although its a pain in the ass for the average user. i think if someone here has the time, patience, and extra eeprom(s), it would be interesting to see if, with the chip disabled, and the xbox logged into live, there are any "spikes" on any of the lpc points. maybe rig up a multimeter to them one at a time and test it out? I have the equipment to do it, but don't have a live account to test it with.
ps: if anyone wants to undertake this endeavor, i may be able to provide a few eeproms to help them along. DON't pm me, email me @ [email protected]
***edit/ammendment***:
any1 here use a split tsop to go on live? recently?
any1 here have a live account they can let me use to do some tests? I have a dozen unbanned xboxes that i can use varying configurations with.
Post by: solid7x2 on November 12, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
made a 60mb seagate look completely stock, no foreign files, new gt, new eeprom
if i ever get banned using this setup, they are defintely checking hard drive types
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
| QUOTE | ||
...and you have to change your HDD's serial number. Why you ask, well simple answer is that this Serial Number is on M$'s list of banned users, the moment you appear with the same hardware, it's a pretty easy deduction as to what you've done and you'll be banned again. |
i found this over in the smartxx section of these forums. looks like XOR had an idea of what was going on back in october and many of us just never heard about it. not his fault or ours. just too bad it wasnt more advertised. then again, if it was, would we have listened? doesnt seem like the first time someone from smartxx has been looking ahead. props to them.
Post by: Big HDD on November 12, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
I have a v1.0 xbox with a new power supply, a switchewd out from thomson to what is now a samsung dvd drive(but it is the xbox retail dvd drive, just not for this specific xbox), and i have now put in the original hard drive(that matches the mobo) back in. I have formatted it with slayers, but it is a 10GB seagate, so it made a 2GB F: Partition. i have cleared everything off of it and it is 100% stock. i then logged onto live, it did that update thingy that takes like...15 seconds(if that), and i thought oh shit, im banned....nope, i rebooted and i was still fine...
so everything is fine....then i wanna play foundation in halo 2, so i go to my other xbox and get the gamesave and put it on my memcard. I am pretty sure the save is PAL, but not hacked, and i started playin on live with it and it worked fine.
the next morningi got on agaion, and everything worked fine. then i tried hooking up a second controller to log in as guest, and it would not let my guest log on.....i then went to troubleshooter, and it gave me the modified hard/softyware error, and continues to every time i try to log on.
any ides?
Post by: mc_365 on November 12, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: Big HDD on November 12, 2004, 01:43:00 PM
Post by: dariceeater on November 12, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
i am going to buy halo 2 probably today, and with it use the 2 month free trial.
Is Halo 2 confirmed to have something to do with the bannings?
If it isn't, i will play a different game on live, and if i am not banned by the morning or the day after i will play halo 2 on live and check for ban. If i am not banned, this will definitely support that marriage theory.
Post by: mc_365 on November 12, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
What is that HD in your sig?
Post by: markm75 on November 12, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
What about this.. I believe I modified my HDD to a bigger one.. after I got xbox live 1.0 back then.. I dont think I did an account recovery (havent been banned yet, or online after the changes in checking)..
Would it do me any good to delete my account and do an account recovery, to ensure the xbox live database has the correct HD info.. and hence I would not get banned from here on out?
Or would it do any good to just delete my account and recreate a brand new one.. on the same xbox (prior to any bans occuring).
Thanks
Post by: .::.Dinomatic.::. on November 12, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
1.) The Marriage Theory
Ok this is the theory that was pretty confirmed for the last two days, until recent newer theories. The marriage theory suggests that sometime around september it is believed, a new xbl update recorded your hard drive serial/model information, along with your eeprom information. It is believed that now when looging into xbl, the system checks your current hard drive serial/model information and your eeprom information again, and compares to what is stored on the xbl databse. If these are not identical, you will be banned. The solution was suggested that if you signed up to xbl after upgrading your hard drive, then xbl would record your new hard drive as stock and store it in the database, therefore people who have used xbl before upgrading their hard drive are at risk as the database may carry their old hard drive information.
2.) They knew it all along
This is a not so common theory to have appeared in this thread however it could still be relavent. This theory suggests that every xbox console to leave the manufacturing plant, has its hard drive and eeprom information recorded. It is believed now is the time that MS could be starting to update this into a database to compare to the box' current information as happening with the marriage theory.
3.) Scanning for files?
This is a very unpopular theory. It is the suggestion that xbl could be scanning for unsigned code on the xbox hard drive, such as dashboards, ripped games, and applications. However alot of people understand that MS would not be entitled to do this making this a pretty lame theory i believe
4.) Hardrive Password
This is the newest theory to hit the topic. Founded by -Gadget- It shows positive explanation and is looking quite probabal so far. This theory is based upon those who have already been banned once and of whom are now flagged by xbl. It seems to be very hard to get back on live after your gamertag is banned and so this seems to be a further check by xbl if you are in this situation. Xbl may be possibly checking your hard drive password which is said to be quite an easy thing to check, and with many apps locking hard rives under the password "TEAMASSEMBLY" it could be that m$ are scanning for hard drives locked under these passwords. Having your gamertag banned is said to be a very severe case of banning and it is said that MS will place extra security upon these people, therefore this theory could suggest to one of these further checks that MS may be performing.
Thanks -Gadget- for the info B)
5.) Detecting the chip itself on the LPC
This also is a very new theory which is proving to be extremely explanitory to the recent bannings. It is believed that xbl could be detecting modchips by poking at different pins on the lpc (where the modchip sits). Although turning the modchip off by switch, boots original bios, it does not disconect power from the modchip, hence the led' are still turned on with the chip off. Turning the chip off by switch merely stops the d0 from grounding the connection and stops it from booting the modchips bios. This theory came after a very inteligent and repected post after noticing the colour of his x3 switch turning to purple when launching xbl. This theory seems very promising that MS could actually be detecting the chip itself.
There are many people out there, wondering why they were banned and posting ridiculously long situations that do nothing to solve the problem, so please people dont expect an answer here, we want a solution too so everyone get experimenting.
Good luck, Mike! :beer:
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Post by: switch263 on November 12, 2004, 04:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (.::.Dinomatic.::. @ Nov 13 2004, 12:41 AM) |
| 5.) Detecting the chip itself on the LPC This also is a very new theory which is proving to be extremely explanitory to the recent bannings. It is believed that xbl could be detecting modchips by poking at different pins on the lpc (where the modchip sits). Although turning the modchip off by switch, boots original bios, it does not disconect power from the modchip, hence the led' are still turned on with the chip off. Turning the chip off by switch merely stops the d0 from grounding the connection and stops it from booting the modchips bios. This theory came after a very inteligent and repected post after noticing the colour of his x3 switch turning to purple when launching xbl. This theory seems very promising that MS could actually be detecting the chip itself. |
As for this, does anyone know of any schematics for various chips I could get my hands on? I'm pretty good with electronics, and I'm friends with quite a few eletrical engineers here at school.
The reason I would like to see some schematics is that if this 'lpc probing' thing seems to be panning out (which from what I've read, it does, a bit) then I'd like to take a look at how chips like mine (x2.0 lite) aren't being hit, and therefore try to work out a relatively simple switch mod for people to use if possible. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated here, guys, and I'll do my best to work out the schematics.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 12, 2004, 04:31:00 PM
and really could not of worded it better well done !!
4.) Hardrive Password
i started this theory, originally for the people ALREADY banned once, and are now flagged
as it seems its VERY hard to get back on once your GT is banned with out getting banned again with the same xbox ..
i dont think there using this method to ban first time
(as all the people with big HDD will be banned which is not the case)
but its DEFINATLY something to be worried about for future first checks
but for now this may just be used to CHECK tagged users ?
as in have people got back on after being banned succefully ? (more than a day etc)
AND more importanyly HAS any1 managed to upgrade there HDD AFTER being on XBL with the stock one .. ?
Mick ..
Post by: sjefke on November 12, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
i did the thing that Jenz offer: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=305440
specs
1.6 xbox
duo-x2 chip
retail disc
200 gb maxtor disc
ide cable with for 3 ide
switch for 3
played: online and offline:
halo2
ninja gaiden
burnout3
gp2
so far no problems.
Sjefke
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Post by: jcpallitto on November 12, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: lil killer on November 12, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
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Post by: h2thek on November 12, 2004, 07:57:00 PM
Xbox version- 1.0 made in Mexico
Modded March 2004 (slayers2.5)
Drive Maxtor 200 something
Chips- Varied use to have X2.3blite+ however switched to 2.2 soldered chip is on side
Xbox Live install date July2004 (post harddrive install)
*Upgraded with Slayers2.6 evox on C everything else on F:
***Played live on Nov7th, no problems then chilled (had a feeling)
**cough French cough deleted Nov9th...Saves, etc
**Cleaned up a little, but seriously there was a lot of shit on e: and c: and I said screw this, I'm going to xbc or kai if I get banned, plus I wanted to report the data to Slayers
**Resumed Playing live on the 11th aroung 8ish
Didn't backup Halo, does it matter? Don't know.
I'm still not banned, not sure if this proves marriage theroy or not. But also, want to point out that I have been reading a lot of the posts and a lot of 2.2's are saying there not banned yet....interesting.
I'm still collecting data, however I think that it is a combo like maybe lpc and marriage...My wife thinks that it is random and will all be screwed, maybe that can be a new theroy *wife theroy*
:angry: I do want to point out a few things:
I bought my xbox
I bought my modchip
I bought my xbox live subsciption
I bought Halo2
There is no reason to be banned under these conditions.
MS says they are clamping down on cheaters, well media center was just released for a $100.00...what a coincidence. I plan on writing to the news...
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (dzv @ Nov 12 2004, 05:54 PM) |
| When the chip is off, and the retail BIOS is loaded, the Xbox actually is not capable of reading any data above the 8g limit. The partition table is located in the BIOS, and the MS BIOS only allows for 8g of HDD usage. So, I don't believe there is any way for MS to ban you based on how much space you have on your HDD, because when you are on Live with the chip off, they can only see 8g, no matter what HDD you have in there. |
Well, Xbox apps run in fully privileged mode and could actually do anything, including directly hitting the disk to find out any physical details they wanted to. BIOS support or no.
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (h2thek @ Nov 13 2004, 04:53 AM) |
| Ok Here is Some Facts/Data- Xbox version- 1.0 made in Mexico Modded March 2004 (slayers2.5) Drive Maxtor 200 something Chips- Varied use to have X2.3blite+ however switched to 2.2 soldered chip is on side Xbox Live install date July2004 (post harddrive install) *Upgraded with Slayers2.6 evox on C everything else on F: ***Played live on Nov7th, no problems then chilled (had a feeling) **cough French cough deleted Nov9th...Saves, etc **Cleaned up a little, but seriously there was a lot of shit on e: and c: and I said screw this, I'm going to xbc or kai if I get banned, plus I wanted to report the data to Slayers **Resumed Playing live on the 11th aroung 8ish Didn't backup Halo, does it matter? Don't know. I'm still not banned, not sure if this proves marriage theroy or not. But also, want to point out that I have been reading a lot of the posts and a lot of 2.2's are saying there not banned yet....interesting. I'm still collecting data, however I think that it is a combo like maybe lpc and marriage...My wife thinks that it is random and will all be screwed, maybe that can be a new theroy *wife theroy*  I do want to point out a few things:I bought my xbox I bought my modchip I bought my xbox live subsciption I bought Halo2 There is no reason to be banned under these conditions. MS says they are clamping down on cheaters, well media center was just released for a $100.00...what a coincidence. I plan on writing to the news... |
That confirms Marriage Theory
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings - AKA Marriage Theory
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 12, 2004, 09:09:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Well, Xbox apps run in fully privileged mode and could actually do anything, including directly hitting the disk to find out any physical details they wanted to. BIOS support or no. |
Hmm dont think thats right since we have been coding nexgen. We can detect hdd model & Serial number but size is not possible as far as i know using retail bios. Actualy I think im right apps cant detect hdd size no matter what.
EG. 160gb hdd installed. Using lba48 patched bios aka x3live worked fine.
I then flashed an original debug bios onto the chip which only detect up to 120gb. I then searched for games on f: but nothing would list up since nexgen was now not able 2 read the hardisk partition because the bios didnot support lba48.
So unless M$ is reading hdds that are > 10gig then i dont see what other way they can be doing these bans.
If im correct a retail bios cant read f: but can read the size of the partitions. Because even when i boot retail bios with my larger Hdd M$ dash still boots so yeah.
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (HoRnEyDvL @ Nov 13 2004, 06:05 AM) |
| Hmm dont think thats right since we have been coding nexgen. We can detect hdd model & Serial number but size is not possible as far as i know using retail bios. Actualy I think im right apps cant detect hdd size no matter what. EG. 160gb hdd installed. Using lba48 patched bios aka x3live worked fine. I then flashed an original debug bios onto the chip which only detect up to 120gb. I then searched for games on f: but nothing would list up since nexgen was now not able 2 read the hardisk partition because the bios didnot support lba48. So unless M$ is reading hdds that are > 10gig then i dont see what other way they can be doing these bans. If im correct a retail bios cant read f: but can read the size of the partitions. Because even when i boot retail bios with my larger Hdd M$ dash still boots so yeah. |
Just because you can't do it via bios calls, doesn't mean its not possible.
Does an xbox have access to the IDE controller? if so it could directly interrogate the HD and read its stats using RAW IDE commands. MS could easily do this, they just need to get one of their Xbox Wizards to whip them up some code.
They could just be reading the HD model number, and checking with a list of all models they've ever used in an xbox... if the model number is unknown, then its not a stock drive... easy.
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Post by: beanomack on November 12, 2004, 09:32:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Handling Tampered Xbox Consoles MS invests a great deal of time and effort to ensure that Xbox gamers enjoy the most powerful and exhilarating game experience available today. The health of the video game business depends on customers paying for the genuine products and services they receive, both from manufacturers and the local retailers that support them. MS does not authorize or support any products or companies that modify or change the Xbox console in any way. The Xbox Live team has noticed and received reports from the Xbox Live community about users connecting to the Xbox Live service using modified Xbox consoles. By doing this, users are breaking the Terms of Service that must be agreed upon when a gamertag is created. The Xbox Live team has taken steps to eliminate this unfair activity through added security measures. It's important to the Xbox Live team that we provide an environment that gives all players an opportunity to compete fairly online. Xbox Live constantly monitors for users attempting to bypass security measures and gain unfair advantages over other players, and will take additional action as needed. Its possible some users who have modified their systems may attempt to return them as a result of the added security features. When processing Xbox video game system returns, retailers should always check the contents of the packaging, especially the system itself. Consumers who attempt to open the Xbox video game system have voided the consumer warranty. Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned from the Xbox Live service. Information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service. The video game system must be returned without any visible signs of tampering with screws on the back of the unit. Tampering evidence indicates the consumer attempted to open the video game system case. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the following stickers located on the bottom of the Xbox system are removed or the screws are tampered with, the Xbox warranty has been voided and Xbox WILL NOT provide refund for the return, warranty or technical support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (IMG:http://retail.MS.com/retail/xbox/images/Consoleimage.jpg) Make sure you check for possible tampering. It's up to you and your employer's return policy to determine how to process a tampered console. Please do note once again that Xbox will not accept and provide a refund for returns of tampered consoles. Thank you from MS Xbox for your continued partnership with us! |
Again im not sure this is of any importance at all. Just thought id share it with everyone.
Post by: h2thek on November 12, 2004, 11:27:00 PM
1st thanks for your work, at this point I reached a conclusion the marriage theroy makes sence, further more combine it with heinreich finding at it makes all the more sence.
Just because that code was there before and not used, doesn't mean it isn't now....I have talked to several people. The only ones getting banned installed live, then upgraded. I am playing live fine as well as other friends who install live, post mod.
Good Work
p.s. - I have yet to see this theroy fail. I conclude hands down marriage theroy is it....
Good Work Guys
I wouldn't expect those Bast@rds to stop here
Post by: The InVert KING on November 12, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
i didnt feel like reading 10 pages ne problems with smart xx v1 or v2 getting banned??
this sux ass i might say considinger i dont want to buy a third xbox for my gf
i have 1 modded (gf uses), and 1 unmodded( I use for live only
let me know plz
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 12:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (The InVert KING @ Nov 13 2004, 08:45 AM) |
| my cuz on a xenium ice got banned 11/9 soon as he was signing into halo2 for the first time.. i got a smart xx v1 i guess i needa check and see if ive been banned my gf hasnt played on it since 11/9 on halo2... i didnt feel like reading 10 pages ne problems with smart xx v1 or v2 getting banned?? this sux ass i might say considinger i dont want to buy a third xbox for my gf i have 1 modded (gf uses), and 1 unmodded( I use for live only let me know plz |
IvertKing, if you look at *one* post, make it this one
Marriage Theory: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: KlingElf on November 13, 2004, 01:11:00 AM
I played Halo 2 for about 10 hours on the 10th, using the retail BIOS, and just checked now, and I can log on to Live fine.
I believe that the key to proving or disproving the marriage theory is by booting the retail bios FROM THE MODCHIP!
Instead of disabling the chip, and leaving it open to probing, or whatever is going on, try flashing the retail bios to one of the banks and booting to that. It wouldn't explain the TSOP bans, but it might help the people with modchips.
Another theory I have is that modchips that require a bios selection on boot might trick the probe, should it exist, into thinking that nothing is there. The Xenium's on board OS isn't loaded the same way as the bios, as far as I know, so it could be tricking the theoretical probe into thinking that there's no modchip there at all.
If you guys could test these theories out, we may get closer to solving this problem.
Post by: PeterMagician on November 13, 2004, 04:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (KlingElf @ Nov 13 2004, 10:14 AM) |
| I've got a 1.0 Mexico XBox w/ a 160 GB Western Digital HDD and a Xenium ICE installed. I originally ran XBL with the stock drive, but I may or may not have used the bigger HDD after the XBL2.0 date. I played Halo 2 for about 10 hours on the 10th, using the retail BIOS, and just checked now, and I can log on to Live fine. I believe that the key to proving or disproving the marriage theory is by booting the retail bios FROM THE MODCHIP! Instead of disabling the chip, and leaving it open to probing, or whatever is going on, try flashing the retail bios to one of the banks and booting to that. It wouldn't explain the TSOP bans, but it might help the people with modchips. If you guys could test these theories out, we may get closer to solving this problem. |
This was also my idea, but i talked to some experts, and all of them said that this would not work. I have a XBIT, by the way. If this theorie is correct, would it work with it?
Post by: HustlerOne on November 13, 2004, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: Lightsier on November 13, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
A friend wanted his XBox to be modded (software) so I said sure. I did a harddrive swap for a 120GB (used the 007 hack) and we switched harddrives. No moddified files or anything. I even erased his C:\ drive and FTPed over a fresh MS Dashboard. I did an account recovery on his XBox and everything worked fine. He was able to get on Live no problem.
Then, I applied UDE2 to his XBox and that was fine. Well, he wanted to go on XBox Live and download some content so I told him to rename all hacked files and folders to gibberish names and extensions (and return all the official MS files back to their proper names) and he was able to load up to the official MS Dashboard again.
He goes on live, banned (Modified XBox error).
So, I think they do atleast search the C: drive. If you think it was something else let me know, but that's all I could see was possible.
Post by: bLiZZaRd1284 on November 13, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (bLiZZaRd1284 @ Nov 12 2004, 12:51 AM) |
| I'm about to test this i have a 250gb hd never been on live, and i'm getting a new eeproms from [email protected], i'm going to install everything lock the hd and take of my x2.3b lite + chip and just play live 2nite and see if i get banned tomorrow anyone else think i should do this or is this just a waste of time and M$ is really checking hd model #'s |
i tested this out and my xbox its still able to login to live.... and its been over 24hrs
i place in a new hd 250GB flashed the eeproms w/ a new one that i got used slayer cd to do a retail restore and took my mod out, created a new gt and used halo 2 to do an update or the dash and i have been plaiying on live last nite and thing morning.... i have yet to try the my other gt that has been flagged.......
my i think M$ is checking got unsign xbe files on C, but i could just be reaching.....
Post by: Genessee on November 13, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
With the chip on, I've played a little Fable and Outrun (in single player mode) to make sure the backup to hdd was ok.
I have a 1.0 xbox, X2.3Lite chip, 120GB Maxtor HDD (Locked).
If I do get banned, at least they have that nifty Crystal XBox out now, I've always liked that one.
Post by: thepissedoffman on November 13, 2004, 07:59:00 AM
I have a v.1 Xbox that I got the day it was launched. I modded it about 18-20 months ago with a Xecuter 2.3 Pro and put a 120 gig drive in it. I went onto Live after I had modded it.
I did get banned once around 8 months ago because I watched a DVD in the MS dashboard and left my chip on. I modded my brothers Xbox and took his EEPEROM with his permission and got back on live, that was about 3 months ago.
I also had a Thompson drive that I replaced 3 months ago with a Samsung drive.
As for the files on my drive I have crap everywere. My F drive has tons of ROMs, Xbox games, music and movies. I also have a few save game files that I downloaded on my hard drive, some that worked fine and some that did not 9 got curropt game fles when I tried to load it ). And finally I have the EvoX .xbe dashboard file in the root of my C drive.
I hope this helps in finding out how to avoid this banning.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 13, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (Genessee @ Nov 13 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| No ban for me so far. I've been playing a little DOA:U, Outrun and Halo2 on live. Halo2 since about 2 days now I guess. All with the chip off of course With the chip on, I've played a little Fable and Outrun (in single player mode) to make sure the backup to hdd was ok. I have a 1.0 xbox, X2.3Lite chip, 120GB Maxtor HDD (Locked). If I do get banned, at least they have that nifty Crystal XBox out now, I've always liked that one. |
genessee, when did you install your hdd?
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (AntMan3DFX @ Nov 13 2004, 03:33 PM) |
| ** Speaking of Savegames, Here is an interesting observation ** When Halo 2 updates it adds a save to our xboxes. The Save is "ONLINE UPDATER APPLICATION" .. Also if you delete your regular Halo 2 Game save it will have to re-Update XBOX LIVE via the Halo 2 disk, next time you play. I forget if its deleting the updater App or the Gamesave but I THINK its the gamesave. Im not going to crack open any of those 2 files I just mentioned, dont have time, sorry. |
That is a mighty interesting observation
)I wonder if this is the magical file which makes it so people get refused access even before their box appears to attempt access...
Post by: Lightsier on November 13, 2004, 09:03:00 AM
Post by: greedyfly on November 13, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: Genessee on November 13, 2004, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 13 2004, 05:28 PM) |
| genessee, when did you install your hdd? |
Hrmm, I guess summer 2003
I used My XBOX (stock) on live a month or so before getting it chipped with the X2.3Lite. The xbox was chipped July 2003, and I guess I put the HDD in a month or so after..If I dont get banned in a couple weeks, Ill swap the HDD just to see what happens .. I gotta know!
Post by: dzv on November 13, 2004, 09:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 13 2004, 07:16 AM) |
| DZV, going on the possible lpc scan, you said that even if the d0 is switched off, they may be able to read it. what if the incoming power was switched off also? i know this could take some "old school" wiring, but could be another possible "prevention". thanks for the info. btw, if you do think that switching both power and ground off to the chip would work, which pin(s) is power. i'm thinking #9? |
It depends on the chip. If it's a 3.3v chip, then it would use LPC pin 9. If it's a 5v chip, then it would use LPC pin 6.
Post by: SD_DRACULA on November 13, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
but no really, i have a v1.0 xbox ( old skool) moded about 20 months ago with an X2 lite with switch and 120GB hdd, and i've been on live for a few months now, never a problem. i'll get halo 2 on monday and i'll give that a shot on live see what happens and then i'll post the results. btw i've also moved all non M$ files to the F drive.
i just hope i'm one of the lucky people who wont get banned. hehe
Post by: emailer33 on November 13, 2004, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: xbrains on November 13, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: manobano on November 13, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (billy_dimashq @ Nov 12 2004, 12:16 AM) |
| i've got an x2 lite too as was mentioned, the switch is a bit more physical i bet as it's an on/off switch that's why i'm scared of these aladdin chips with their 'eject to disable' style once i fix my xbox hdd mess (see my thread in this very section) i'll try going online just for the hell of it. hey, i'm only using 2 month trials anyway |
hhhmmm.....ive been using the swapless audio exploit with xboxlive for months now and have never updated and had no problems.....ive been playing halo2 online since it was released, but i ordered an aladdin advance with the eject to disable option and now im not sure whether i should get it installed or not
Post by: dhau on November 13, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
1) Marriage theory is correct, but also:
2) Halo 2 (and/or other updated games and/or MS Dashboard) checks on each start if the bios is retail. If it's not retail, Halo 2 (or another game or MS Dashboard) set a "Modded" flag in a save file. Next time Halo 2 (or another game or MS Dashboard) is connected to XBL, it reports that you're a goddam videogame terrorist and should be banned from civilized society for ethernity. Your Xbox EPROM and possibly your HDD serial # are files for future reference, your game tag gets a flag "used modded hardware".
How about that?
I never played Halo 2 or launched MS Dashboard with modchip enabled. I'm still not banned. I have modchip, big HDD and unsigned XBEs all over the place (C, E, F)
Post by: StOnD on November 13, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
I have a dirty HD with non-MS files and saves everywhere, a Seagate 200 GB which I installed long before I ever touched live, and an X3 which I also installed long before I ever touched live.
I also haven't so much as turned my modchip on since I got live just before Halo 2 came out, because all I've been doing on my xbox since then is playing on live.
That and I didn't turn it on for fear of somehow being banned by methods like you suggested.
Post by: DiddyDK on November 13, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (dhau @ Nov 13 2004, 11:41 PM) |
| Here is another speculation: 1) Marriage theory is correct, but also: 2) Halo 2 (and/or other updated games and/or MS Dashboard) checks on each start if the bios is retail. If it's not retail, Halo 2 (or another game or MS Dashboard) set a "Modded" flag in a save file. Next time Halo 2 (or another game or MS Dashboard) is connected to XBL, it reports that you're a goddam videogame terrorist and should be banned from civilized society for ethernity. Your Xbox EPROM and possibly your HDD serial # are files for future reference, your game tag gets a flag "used modded hardware". How about that? I never played Halo 2 or launched MS Dashboard with modchip enabled. I'm still not banned. I have modchip, big HDD and unsigned XBEs all over the place (C, E, F) |
Assuming you're right, can the banned users tell us whether they turned on the mod chip before getting banned? I'm paranoid since I just turned my modchip on today. I have a 1.6 Xbox, Xenium Ice and 120 GB hard drive. Been playing Halo 2 all week and no ban
I've never been banned before and I modded my Xbox and upgraded HD before even going on Xbox Live
Post by: Drewus on November 13, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
I originally joined live this same time last year, before i modded my Xbox. I've been playing Halo 2 for the past week now and havn't been banned.
I'm not up to date on what you do/do not need to have in order to be banned, but i thought i'd just add to the list of people that havn't yet been banned.
Another thing i've noticed is that the huge amount of people i met playing Halo 2 on Live a few days ago, the majority of them havn't been back on since. Now that i've discovered this mass banning, it makes me wonder if they have all been banned.
Post by: darkshadow88 on November 13, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
Start Halo 2 (without the ethernet cable plugged in) with the modchip enabled. Start a game and save. Put this save on a memory card and transfer it to an unmodded xbox, and then try connecting to XBL with Halo 2 on that box. That will confirm or refute the theory of a "modded flag" in saved game files.
Post by: The Juggler on November 13, 2004, 07:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (darkshadow88 @ Nov 14 2004, 04:25 AM) |
| A suggestion for someone with a modded and unmodded xbox: ... |
Instead of doing this and becomming banned, what if you start a Halo 2 game on a modded xbox, and save. Then start a game on a non-modded xbox and save. Then transfer all the save files to your PC and run something like Windif on it to see what (if anything) is different between the save files?
Post by: The Juggler on November 13, 2004, 08:12:00 PM
| QUOTE |
I've downloaded .... |
Beep, syntax error.
http://pictures.xbox...rules/Rules.htm
Post by: The Juggler on November 13, 2004, 08:37:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ok lets say i got banned with my current hdd and eeprom would switching to a new gt and putting in a new eeprom save me the trouble of getting a new hdd. |
I don't believe so. If the 'Marriage Theory' holds true, then they have your EEPROM, and HD Serial number on file somewhere. If one of those shows up on XBLive again without the other one, your xbox will be banned again.
So, theorhetically, you have to get a fresh EEPROM and HD to get back on. The GamerTag shouldn't matter.
The GamerTag MIGHT be flagged with a 'check for mods' tag, but there wouldn't be anything linking the GamerTag to a specific HD or EEPROM, since you can copy your GamerTag to anyone's xbox.
Post by: binskin on November 13, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
From my own experience i think the marriage theory would be on the money.
Post by: G-Money on November 13, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
i was runnin a 40gb locked hd with original matrix mod..and playing live ever since it came out....2 weeks ago i got banned...i decided to change eeprom and hard drive...i used a new 40gb hd locked etc...played live for about a day ..woke up ..banned......i was going to buy a new xbox but then i decided to make one last attempt....
my current working solution (playing live for about a week)= new eeprom...new 40gb Hd....but with no foreign files..i just have regular MS files...and a new gamertag. To play halo 2 live was worth the sacrifice of my dashboard and all that so yea thats my solution!!
Post by: sideswipe on November 13, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (darkshadow88 @ Nov 14 2004, 04:25 AM) |
| A suggestion for someone with a modded and unmodded xbox: Start Halo 2 (without the ethernet cable plugged in) with the modchip enabled. Start a game and save. Put this save on a memory card and transfer it to an unmodded xbox, and then try connecting to XBL with Halo 2 on that box. That will confirm or refute the theory of a "modded flag" in saved game files. |
You can't do that as the save for Halo 2 seems to be eeprom specific like Ninja Gaidens. But if you do look into your Halo 2 game save, you will find a folder named $u that contains downloader.xbe and dashupdate.xbe files
Post by: shishtawoo on November 13, 2004, 09:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (The Juggler @ Nov 14 2004, 05:40 AM) |
| I don't believe so. If the 'Marriage Theory' holds true, then they have your EEPROM, Mobo and HD Serial number on file somewhere. If any of those show up on XBLive again without the other two, your xbox will be banned again. So, theorhetically, you have to get a fresh EEPROM, Mobo and HD to get back on. The GamerTag shouldn't matter. The GamerTag MIGHT be flagged with a 'check for mods' tag, but there wouldn't be anything linking the GamerTag to a specific HD, Mobo or EEPROM, since you can copy your GamerTag to anyone's xbox. |
so by mobo do u mean i also need a new mother board along with eeprom and hdd
Post by: Dugath on November 13, 2004, 10:02:00 PM
I logged onto live with my original HD.. then I upgraded to a 160gig.. 2 days after that I Was banned.. so... I bought a new eeprom.. havent went onto live.. I was thinking of buying a cheap small Hdd for xbox live.. and formating that and putting the ms dash on it.. in the "instructions" it says to install Hdd then puyt on new eeprom... now will I have to go out and buy another eeprom?? I havent went onto xbox live yet with the one I just purchaced and put on my xbox.
Post by: darkshadow88 on November 13, 2004, 10:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (binskin @ Nov 14 2004, 06:26 AM) |
| Got my box sept last year, modded 2 weeks after, aladding adv, 80gig hdd locked, modchip disable through the std 1sec click of the pwr button, all drives are as std ms, (cept for f:\ which has all my apps etc on it) never played live before mod. picked up halo2 @ midnight release, came home, setup free 2 month trial and been playing on live ever since, no probs. Also have copy of h2 on hdd to free up disc for non mod user @ lan, generally play all my campaign games off hdd copy. From my own experience i think the marriage theory would be on the money. |
If I am understanding you correctly, you are playing through campaign mode with the modchip enabled, but can still play on XBL with the chip disabled without being banned? If so, that means the "modded flag" theory has been disproved.
Post by: The Juggler on November 13, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (shishtawoo @ Nov 14 2004, 07:01 AM) |
| so by mobo do u mean i also need a new mother board along with eeprom and hdd |
Oops. Must have had a few less brain cells working when I posted that. No, The EEPROM IS basically the Xbox Mobo Serial Number. So, replace the EEPROM and HD, and all should be good. (under the 'Marriage Theory' assumption) Your GamerTag should be fine.
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (The Juggler @ Nov 14 2004, 05:40 AM) |
| I don't believe so. If the 'Marriage Theory' holds true, then they have your EEPROM, and HD Serial number on file somewhere. If one of those shows up on XBLive again without the other one, your xbox will be banned again. So, theorhetically, you have to get a fresh EEPROM and HD to get back on. The GamerTag shouldn't matter. The GamerTag MIGHT be flagged with a 'check for mods' tag, but there wouldn't be anything linking the GamerTag to a specific HD or EEPROM, since you can copy your GamerTag to anyone's xbox. |
And if their box has an upgraded HD you'll get their box banned too.
If you get your gamertag flagged (because you got banned) then you can't use that gamertag on an xbox with an upgraded HD.
So, you need to get a new eeprom, new hd, and a new gamertag (if you don't want to use a stock drive)
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 11:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (The Juggler @ Nov 14 2004, 07:40 AM) |
| Oops. Must have had a few less brain cells working when I posted that. No, The EEPROM IS basically the Xbox Mobo Serial Number. So, replace the EEPROM and HD, and all should be good. (under the 'Marriage Theory' assumption) Your GamerTag should be fine. |
You need to read the full marriage theory post again, including all the addendums
There is a very important addendum regarding gamertag
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652
Post by: Casper1786 on November 14, 2004, 02:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (pane2k @ Nov 11 2004, 04:22 PM) |
| Hey guys whats up. While many of us are trying to rearrange files on hdd to avoid being banned by this new xbox live detection, it is serving no purpose. MS is not checking the hdd, and i believe i have proof of this. At first, like everyone else, i went on to play halo 2. 120gb hdd locked with an xecuter 3. Played all ngiht, woke up next morning and was banned. When this happend i felt like doing a little experimenting. Thanks to blackwolf, he was able to supply me with a few eeproms while i did a little bit of testing. I used an unmodded hdd. Totally original hdd that came locked with this motherboard. Files were not tampered with in ANY way. Went on xbox live, modchip disabled of course with this locked original untouched hdd. After playing for about 10 minutes I noticed the color of my x3 switches changed. Now for those of you are familiar with the x3, red means disabled, blue means enabled and a purplish color means backupmode. As i was playing and sitting in a lobby waiting for a new game to start, i noticed the color of my switches changed from red to purplish(x3backupmode). So my assumption here is that MS is scanning or putting power to certain LPC points to detect chips, thats the only reason why my modchip would turn from off to backupmode all on its own. Sure enough, after the color change, i went on xbox live about 10 hours later, with the same locked original hdd. I was banned. Got the modified xbox error. Now for a little more proof... Many of you may or may not know a guy by the name of Peer. He has a 160gb hdd loaded up with dashboards, apps, etc. When halo 2 came out, he locked his hard drive, and took his chip of the LPC points. He has been playing for 3 days on and off constantly with a 160gb modded locked hdd with no chip with no problems. With all the above said, i believe it is very safe to say that MS is somehow checking the LPC points. What this means? Chip revision? possible. You also can probably take the chip off the points or unplug it everytime you want to play, which may be lame also. What i was thinking was if you Take a switch for each LPC wire and solder it in between the motherboard and the chip, by switching it off will cut the chip off completely. So this may be an option, but is not tested yet. If anyone would care to add, feel free. Thank You, pane |
I have an X3 Chip also and Upgraded HDD(160GB Maxtor Drive), if som1 would donote a Clean EEPROM I would Test this Theory and get back 2 you all. if any1 is interested PM for contact information
Post by: schnide on November 14, 2004, 02:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (The Juggler @ Nov 14 2004, 05:15 AM) |
| Beep, syntax error. http://pictures.xbox...rules/Rules.htm |
Oops, sorry..
Thanks for the replies on the subject, I think I'm going to risk going Live now.
Incidentally I've bought more games recently having tried them out on Bittorrent than ever before but the piracy debate can rage on elsewhere.
Cheers everyone, schnide
Post by: uk-hitman on November 14, 2004, 03:32:00 AM
Im sifting throught is right now .
so far I can see it checks the version of desktop (nothing new there) , will spend most of my day going through it and post findings on a new thread .
Post by: magnetic on November 14, 2004, 03:44:00 AM
- Xenium Ice installed with pinheader
- 120GB WD hard drive added in August
- various ROMs, apps, backups installed throughout F: partition / EvoX installed on C:
- Bought legit Halo 2 and signed up for a fresh new XBL account using 2-month trial included. Never had a Live account until Halo 2 launch day.
Haven't been banned yet.
I just formatted my computer so I've yet to re-install my router. I'll let you know how that all goes.
Think if I add a backup game to my harddrive now, I'll get banned? I really don't want to risk it.
Post by: Shaolyen on November 14, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
I don't have any solid facts to back up my theory, it just makes the most sense to me:
A possibly reason why Xbox Live doesn't ban different hard drives
If I had an Xbox which had a faulty hard drive and was past warranty, there's nothing illegitimate about replacing it with another. Sure, itd have to be locked - but theres nothing wrong with replacing one faulty component with one that works.
A possibly reason why Xbox Live doesn't search the contents of your hard drive for EvoX
As far as I know, there are no clauses in the Xbox Live terms and conditions which state that youre not allowed to have whatever you want on your own hard drive. You can have your own custom soundtracks, saved games, etc - does MS state anywhere that there are certain files which arent allowed to be stored on your own console?
In fact, the only thing which MS can use to check for sure if you're "illegally" modding your console, is if you've got a mod chip installed by probing the LPC points. Because to MS, there are legitimate reasons for having a non-standard hard drive, and reasons for having files on your hard drive that they didn't create - but there are no legitimate reasons for having a chipped Xbox.
Post by: Lightsier on November 14, 2004, 07:59:00 AM
What I'm thinking is that maybe Microsft looks at the Disk Model Number to decide banning. After all, stock Western Digital all start with WDC WD80EB-28(then three values here). When you use a bigger harddrive, it'll have a higher value, like WDC WD1000JB-(last six are random).
Also, when you put an upgraded Western Digital hard drive into the XBox, it'll have a Disk Serial Number such as 7CC2-8492. While a stock MS Western Digital will be WD-WMA9N1795659.
So, if somebody got banned could change your serial and their disk model number to a proper value along with a new eeprom, I wonder if that would make much of a difference.
I'm just speculating anyhow.
After all, the problem with that theory is that, MS would know the instant you go online that you have an upgraded hard drive. I'm just wondering what flags them to check to see if it's a stock or not. The marriage theory is very likely, but there are people who have banned with upgraded harddrives suddenly for no reason. I also have a friend who used the UDE2 software hack and had renamed files on the hard drive and was banned recently (modified XBox error).
Post by: Lightsier on November 14, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
I don't think it's possible to change the model number, but changing the serial number is possible.
A stock serial number might make MS less suspicious since there's such an obvious difference from an XBox stock hard drive from an upgraded one.
Post by: supernewbie on November 14, 2004, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: gute on November 14, 2004, 09:50:00 AM
i have matrix modchip, and stock hdd.. and retal hardware.
i formatted using evox slayers.... so theres no gamesaves or anything.. all i have now is Evox dashboard.
now if i TAKE my chip out to play on live.. wIll i get banned?
pls dont flame.. its a quick answer question
Post by: shishtawoo on November 14, 2004, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: shishtawoo on November 14, 2004, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: CamdogXIII on November 14, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
First time being on live.
Post by: djfir0 on November 14, 2004, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Lord-Icon on November 14, 2004, 10:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (djfir0 @ Nov 14 2004, 07:35 PM) |
| yes its definately the lpc points, because my xbox, has never even touched an ethernet cable for any reason, and i have an xecutor 2.3 lite, in the off position, and its been in the off position ever since i have started playing halo 2, and i tried to go on live like 2 days ago and got an instant ban. "cannot find live" nt:0. so what needs to happen is, the new generation of modchips need to have a switch to completely cut all the wires that tap into the mobo, i think this is the only way. |
I think the only connection you need to cut it the +5v feed to the mod chip ....
Post by: Fool_Marquis on November 14, 2004, 10:54:00 AM
I know that most of you guys are legitimate gamers who have no desire to cheat or do unecessary harm to other gamers or their X-boxes (X-boxii?) in the course of your games. Many of you are using your X-box as a TiVo, or as a universal media station. Lots of you are just experimenters who want to push the boundaries of a "fixed" technology.
That being said: For every one of you scientists, engineers, and dedicated honest upstanding citizens, there are 10 script kiddies, 133t-talkers, cheating, thieving, asshats whose sole reason to play games is for the grief of the other competetors. You know these people. They turn off their boxes during SC:PT matches when they are loosing. They string togethor sentences over Live that consist of nothing but expletives. They demand that people turn off Punkbuster before they play counterstrike, and all their armor is "godly item of the whale" in Diablo. They have games of Starcraft down to six Macroed keyboard actions and a "kekekekekekeke". These are the people MS wants to prevent from ruining X-box live. I guarentee you, If a jackass like that got to go on to live with a modified X-box, then he would undoubtedly begin to ruin it for every other player by perfecting the Halo2 wallhack within a matter of hours. Chaos would ensue as thousands of players become instantly disillusioned with the greatest game in the world* and toss it aside as a "hacked" piece of detritus.
That being said: I firmly reccomend the whole "buy a second box" option. Figure, if you're the kind who "rents to own"... you've probably got over $150.00 worth of games saved to your HDD by now, the least you could do for MS is buy another machine to use for live. If you're the kind who uses it as a media center, saving music and video, think of how many movies you've gotten to see because of the basic framework of the 'box. Isn't it worth it for the company to just buy another box for live?
And to the asshats who had genuine malicious intent and have been banninated by the powers that be: Sucks to be you. Lighten up, go meet a girl, feel some love, breathe deeply, come back and play with good intent on a new machine.
*at this instant, at least
Post by: isharted on November 14, 2004, 11:05:00 AM
i've already experienced well my money's worth of 'extended trials' and such. The price of Xboxes will probably drop around Christmas or soon after anyway. They have to get as many sold as possible before Xbox 2 next Christmas.
Post by: isharted on November 14, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: Lightsier on November 14, 2004, 11:46:00 AM
Plus, everybody is always talking about people with modchips. Nobody is really talking about people who softmod. Like I said, my friend had a softmodded Xbox and just renamed his hacked files when he wanted to get on live and he was banned.
Post by: Jin-K on November 14, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: lil killer on November 14, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
XBOX INFO:
*V1.6 xbox bought on 11/5/04*
*Everything including HDD is RETAIL*
*XBIT 1.0 modchip installed on 11/7/04*
*Went on Xbox Live before installing the modchip*
*Have Halo 2 and play it on live every day*
THEORY: M$ scans hard drives for unsigned files.
PROOF: I have files on my E and C drives that are unsigned and I am not banned.
THEORY: M$ uses halo 2 saves to see if u have a modchip.
PROOF: I went and played Halo 2 with my modchip on and saved. I then went on Xbox Live and I am still unbanned.
THEORY: M$ scans LPC points.
PROOF: I have a X-B.I.T. 1.0 and only have a switch on the D0 wire. It is always plugged into the LPC points and I havnt been banned.
THEORY: M$ scans for "french" games.
PROOF: I had the "french" game on my hard drive when I first got Halo 2. I was playing online all that day with the "french" game on my hard drive and havn't been banned. The "french" game is now gone as I have no use for it.
Post by: shishtawoo on November 14, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (shishtawoo @ Nov 14 2004, 09:40 PM) |
| well that is the easiest solution but i have an xentium and from what i hear i would loose the bios i added 2 it if i dont reconnect the power source for an extended period of time |
That's not correct.
The Xenium uses Flash memory, which doesn't erase when you cut the power.
Xenium OS 2.0b1/PR has a bug which causes it to kernel panic when the clock is reset on the xbox. Upgrading to XOS2.0.1 will fix this.
Post by: alfiej on November 14, 2004, 04:30:00 PM
I have a Xbox 1.4 (halo edition) with a 120gig hdd and a x2.3bL+..
I signed up for XBOX LIVE after installing the HDD and chip..
I've been playing on LIVE since NOV 9th with NO problems.. However the first time I played the retail Halo 2 my xbox was running VERY slow, almost like it was being scanned, but that couldn't be the case because I would have been banned..
Hope this will help get to the bottom of this..
Post by: Moleman on November 14, 2004, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: shishtawoo on November 14, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (646 @ Nov 15 2004, 05:44 AM) |
| After reading 11 pages, I'm starting to wonder if they're possibly getting more creative than the usual efforts that are thwarted in a relatively short period of time. Is it possible they're not banning all known modded X-Boxes to keep us from figuring out what they're doing as quickly? If they only banned a certain number per known modded found, would it not take longer to figure it out? Or, banning boxes at different time intervals. Maybe some that are banned with the same setup as others could find themselves banned next month? I'm just using my imagination on this one , as I've seen so many different possibilites for the bannings, and others that aren't banned doing the same thing. |
makes a good point so i guess we need to know how to hide out asses by figuring out how to make our selves look completly stock starting with hdd by changing model and serial numbers and im pertty sure M$ can atleast detect the f partiton if not read from it. < not a fact but just some common sense
Post by: AntMan3DFX on November 14, 2004, 10:48:00 PM
While others say there is a message saying "Hardware/Software Modified" = Banned.
To make sure we are all on the same page, The fact that you can not connect to
XBOX Live dessnt necessarily mean you are banned. I have had my xbox mysteriously change its IP info on me so I get the cannot connect , message.
Also some IPs are not static so signing on for the 2nd time with same settings will give you the -cannot connect- message.
It seems my xbox tries to do me a favor, when I put it all on AUTOMATIC, it finds my Ip and other info and keeps it, and changes the settings to Manual so the settings stay. I have to change it back to Automatic every now and then because I use AOL.
So if you are saying your banned please Double check. "hardware/Software modified would definetly mean banned..
--- Just curious.. If U get banned cuz you changed hard drives, would putting back the old one you had when u first signed on live, Unbann you ? Just curious, cuz if they were checking serial numbers, putting back the one it wants would make it Not modified. -- Its worth a try.
Post by: Gus Man on November 15, 2004, 12:30:00 AM
Post by: Stillplayin on November 15, 2004, 02:17:00 AM
My xbox 1.3 or 1.4 motherboard
Smartxx chip
no external switch just load system without chip by pushing eject button
250gb hd
lots of game saves from ROMS etc etc that were never moved or anything, if I go into my game saves in the MS dashboards there are evox and emu save there
Evox files in all drives that they originally go in
Signed up for live for the first time 11/9
not banned
played every night since the 9th
Friends Xbox
older mother board...not a 1.6 for sure
SmartXX chip
no external switch uses eject button as well
40gb hard drive
I don't think he has and game saves or anything on his box
evox files where they are placed to begin with
Signed up for live 11/11
Banned next day
So those 2 cases make any theory out there not work
Marriage theory neither xbox had been on live previously both game tags were new
HDD scan he had a 40, I had a 250
Game save
I had some game saves I shouldn't have, and lots of evox stuff definately not stealth
he only had the chip and evox files
LP chip scan both motherboards are similar if not the same model, neither is a 1.6, both chips are smartxxs neither has an external switch
really confused...but I am still playin
**edit halo 2 disc has been played through EvoxDashboard, as well as other games off the HD since playing on live**
Post by: nfs911 on November 15, 2004, 04:19:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (Stillplayin @ Nov 15 2004, 11:20 AM) |
| Okay heres a little info that maybe able to help My xbox 1.3 or 1.4 motherboard Smartxx chip no external switch just load system without chip by pushing eject button 250gb hd lots of game saves from ROMS etc etc that were never moved or anything, if I go into my game saves in the MS dashboards there are evox and emu save there Evox files in all drives that they originally go in Signed up for live for the first time 11/9 not banned played every night since the 9th Friends Xbox older mother board...not a 1.6 for sure SmartXX chip no external switch uses eject button as well 40gb hard drive I don't think he has and game saves or anything on his box evox files where they are placed to begin with Signed up for live 11/11 Banned next day So those 2 cases make any theory out there not work Marriage theory neither xbox had been on live previously both game tags were new HDD scan he had a 40, I had a 250 Game save I had some game saves I shouldn't have, and lots of evox stuff definately not stealth he only had the chip and evox files LP chip scan both motherboards are similar if not the same model, neither is a 1.6, both chips are smartxxs neither has an external switch really confused...but I am still playin **edit halo 2 disc has been played through EvoxDashboard, as well as other games off the HD since playing on live** |
Your friend is not using a live blocking bios.
(because there is none for the 1.6)
it is NOT SAFE to play a modern game which is "Live Aware" (like Halo2) on an xbox which is connected to the net with a hacked bios which does not have XBL Blocking. This *will* cause a ban.
On your 1.4, I guess you do have a Live Blocking bios (well I hope you do, but you didn't say)
Sounds like a mundane ban to me, and since you're first experience with Live was on the 11th, its probable too.
Post by: BrandonV on November 15, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
Got a 1.3 w/ 2.3B pro chip. I had been going on Live a few months ago with my 2.3 disabled and a locked 160GB HDD, then I didn't go on for months cause I was bored of it. Prior to Halo 2 hitting I added my stock HDD to my xbox via a switch, so I could switch between stock and 160gb.
I played H2 all night Thurs no problems, but when I tried to log in Friday night I got the 'hardware/software modification' message and I was banned.
So..... when I bought my xbox I got Live and used it when my xbox was totally stock, I also used Live with my chip disabled and a locked 160GB hdd. Then I got Halo 2 and put my stock hdd back in and ran with chip disabled and was banned next day.
Also, right after adding my stock hdd I logged into Live using Crimson Skies to verify it worked and it updated my dash. A day later I bought Halo 2 and it updated my dash yet again, Halo 2 must have new protection built in and coordinates with this new dash. (sorry if thats been noted, but I dont have time to read all these posts here).
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: Light_k2005 on November 15, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: Strangelove1 on November 15, 2004, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: AgentEB on November 15, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (BrandonV @ Nov 15 2004, 11:52 AM) |
| Just saw that and I agree. I have two stock hdd's (never been on Live) and access to two eeproms that never been Live either. I'm gonna get those and 'marry' them. Hopefully thats it...... Now I just need to figure out about these eeproms....... thx. |
it's like a multiple choice test. you marked the correct answer and then had a change of heart that you got it wrong, went back and changed it, only to get the wrong answer. so if your not banned yet, why change your hdd back to your stock? your only setting yourself up to get banned. 1st guess is always best so leave it at that.
Post by: oaddington on November 15, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
How to play on Xbox Live with a X2 LITE modded Xbox
The X2 Lite comes with a preflashed BIOS which loads evoxdash.xbe as the first file when you boot your Xbox. If there is no evoxdash.xbe, it will try to load nexgen.xbe, and if there is no nexgen.xbe file, finally, it will load xboxdash.xbe.
But, since it will first try to load evoxdash.xbe, you can have your EvolutionX dash as evoxdash.xbe. And then have your MS dash as xboxdash.xbe
So, to play on Live then, turn modchip off by using an installed switch, and your Xbox will boot to your MS dash. You can then play on Live.
I'm pretty sure that's whay I've got. Although if I choose the disable on the switch I just get an error when it boots and says to contact service.
I have an evoxdash.xbe and an xboxdash.xbe, and no nexgen.xbe...
hmmm, I'm getting lost looking through post after post, haha.. I've disabled the chip, light turns off on switch, and tried bank 1and2 and still nothing, just the requires service screen.
Post by: bellylint on November 15, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
That being said, what do they do if you've legitimately replaced your hd because of a hd failure? Mine is well past warranty anyways. Do they still ban you?
Post by: LegolasArcher on November 15, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: nfs911 on November 15, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: tutyet on November 15, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
i have this idea, sorry if it has been mentioned, i didnt read all the post, it would take all night!
i understand that ms now check your bios throught lpc ports so indted of making the swich on the bios make the swich on the power, becuase im sure you knowticed that even when your chip is disabled its still lights up, why dont they make it so that when you disable it it doesnt get any power at all!
tell me what you think
Post by: cryptic on November 15, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: BreakzDJ on November 15, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
I have the Xenium ICE mod with a 160g hdd. all the emulators dashes etc......my friend also has the exact same mod. He was banned, i was not.
He had an XboX live account BEFORE he modded his Xbox, I did not.
I just signed up for my account about 4 days ago and have been playing every nite for a few hours with no trouble, Halo2 ESPN sports games, Nacsar pretty much everything. My friend had no troubles until after he modded his system.
The consensus within our group(we all work in the game industry) is that when you first sign up to XBL it records the info for that hdd and eeprom. Therefore, if you had an account before you modded, it would recognize the differences in hdd info and that would cause the ban.
So far it looks as that is correct as i have yet to be banned, if this status changes i will re-post, but it also means that MS has probably just released a crude version of what there finished probe will be and eventually they will be getting all of us once they have time to test and develop it a bit more.
i think i am probably just gonna keep on keepin on playin on line, if they ban me, wait till after X-mas till they drop to $100 or so and get a new one.
Post by: dtechlogic on November 15, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: cryptic on November 15, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (BreakzDJ @ Nov 15 2004, 07:02 PM) |
| ok so i have been reading these boards for a few days now, and this is what i have seen. I have the Xenium ICE mod with a 160g hdd. all the emulators dashes etc......my friend also has the exact same mod. He was banned, i was not. He had an XboX live account BEFORE he modded his Xbox, I did not. I just signed up for my account about 4 days ago and have been playing every nite for a few hours with no trouble, Halo2 ESPN sports games, Nacsar pretty much everything. My friend had no troubles until after he modded his system. The consensus within our group(we all work in the game industry) is that when you first sign up to XBL it records the info for that hdd and eeprom. Therefore, if you had an account before you modded, it would recognize the differences in hdd info and that would cause the ban. So far it looks as that is correct as i have yet to be banned, if this status changes i will re-post, but it also means that MS has probably just released a crude version of what there finished probe will be and eventually they will be getting all of us once they have time to test and develop it a bit more. i think i am probably just gonna keep on keepin on playin on line, if they ban me, wait till after X-mas till they drop to $100 or so and get a new one. |
No my xbox was modded long before my xbox live account and i was banned on the 10th
Post by: Hari-Seldon on November 15, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
I just added a switch to my Matrix chip before starting playing Live (as explained in the tutorial from here: http://www.xbox-scen...able-matrix.php)
I've been playing Halo2 all day without any problem, with the chip disabled by the switch of course.
So my question is, if this LPC "scan" theory is true, it will detect my chip altough I've disabled it with this switch?
Thanks.
Post by: dsilver668 on November 15, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
Situation...
Person has a modded Exicutor 2 chip.
Person buys Xbox live bundle.
Has account on memory card so he can play all over.
Loads Halo 2.
Gets banned next day on the Ex chip system.
Logs in to XB Live on Xenium ICE system to play Colin Mcrea 2005 and gets banned.
He had been on and off playing Halo 2 over the last week.
Will let you know what happens with my system. If they ban me I am going to kill my account and get my money back, or at least part of it.
I can't blame MS, but then again I still think it sucks.
Post by: ynot on November 15, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: nfs911 on November 15, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Zaden on November 15, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
October 11th I got banned after playing Halo 2 for a day, a day mind you, after playing xbox live for about 6 months with softmods, and I still have my original hard drive. I got a friend's eeprom, successfully restored my account and completely uninstalled UDE, but left apps on my E partition and the Skins directory on my C partition (couldn't delete for some reason). I played all day yesterday, and low and behold I am banned today on an unmodchipped, xbox live 3.0 machine running nothing but the standard software. Bullshit plain and simple. I was willing to give up mods for Halo and it does me no good.
They're definately scanning the hard drive, maybe the C partition, maybe E, but scanning for certain.
Post by: major_tom on November 15, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
I have an xbox 1.1 with a xenium ice and a 80gb disk.
I went on live for the first time with this box back in February/March, before I installed the xenium. It was only a 2 month trial that I cancelled when it was over.
I installed my xenium in August, together with the 80gb hard drive. I used the xenium OS to format and copy the files to the new HD. I only installed evox on the original HD to backup my EEPROM. I never went on live with the 80gb HD.
When I got Halo2, I read all these posts about banning, but not a single theory would mention an LPC scan. So, I took my chances and put back my original HD (which has been to Live before), deleted evox (the only files I ever copied to that HD) and created a new gamertag. I haven't been banned since Wednesday. In fact, on Thursday, I screwed up and tried to sign in with the chip on, but I believe the 4981 blocked that and I'm still not banned.
Post by: Scud VR4 on November 15, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zaden @ Nov 15 2004, 06:47 PM) |
| They're definately scanning the hard drive, maybe the C partition, maybe E, but scanning for certain. |
You used the same gamer tag, right?
That further proves the 'flagging gamer tag' theory. Sounds like they caught you once, banned you, and flagged your gamertag.
When tried to get back on with a new EEPROM and no modchip, they scanned your files and saw things that shouldn't be there, so they banned you.
I've been trying to follow this as closely as possible but I could be wrong.. what do you guys think?
Post by: pilot1 on November 15, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (Scud VR4 @ Nov 15 2004, 07:22 PM) |
| You used the same gamer tag, right? That further proves the 'flagging gamer tag' theory. Sounds like they caught you once, banned you, and flagged your gamertag. When tried to get back on with a new EEPROM and no modchip, they scanned your files and saw things that shouldn't be there, so they banned you. I've been trying to follow this as closely as possible but I could be wrong.. what do you guys think? |
They can't legally scan your drive though, can they?
I don't believe any of the things you have to agree to state that they're allowed to search your drive..
Post by: Zaden on November 15, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zaden @ Nov 16 2004, 12:47 AM) |
| Ok I have been banned twice now on an xbox with no modchip, just softmod. Here's how it went.: October 11th I got banned after playing Halo 2 for a day, a day mind you, after playing xbox live for about 6 months with softmods, and I still have my original hard drive. I got a friend's eeprom, successfully restored my account and completely uninstalled UDE, but left apps on my E partition and the Skins directory on my C partition (couldn't delete for some reason). I played all day yesterday, and low and behold I am banned today on an unmodchipped, xbox live 3.0 machine running nothing but the standard software. Bullshit plain and simple. I was willing to give up mods for Halo and it does me no good. They're definately scanning the hard drive, maybe the C partition, maybe E, but scanning for certain. |
Or they detected that the eeprom and hd no longer match... you know... marriage theory
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652
Post by: nfs911 on November 15, 2004, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: BAP1130 on November 15, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
My experience thus far: I have an Xecuter 2.3 pro with stock hdd and stock dvd drive and I have not been banned as of yet. I have been an Xbox Live member for over a year. I was originally thinking of installing Linux with an upgraded drive with FTP installation, but all this talk of Live banning has discouraged me.
I was interested in making a switch to that I could switch between my stock hdd and the larger one, but the only tut I see is one that requires you to get rid of your DVD rom. Any way I could do this?
Post by: shishtawoo on November 15, 2004, 09:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zaden @ Nov 16 2004, 12:47 AM) |
| Ok I have been banned twice now on an xbox with no modchip, just softmod. Here's how it went.: October 11th I got banned after playing Halo 2 for a day, a day mind you, after playing xbox live for about 6 months with softmods, and I still have my original hard drive. I got a friend's eeprom, successfully restored my account and completely uninstalled UDE, but left apps on my E partition and the Skins directory on my C partition (couldn't delete for some reason). I played all day yesterday, and low and behold I am banned today on an unmodchipped, xbox live 3.0 machine running nothing but the standard software. Bullshit plain and simple. I was willing to give up mods for Halo and it does me no good. They're definately scanning the hard drive, maybe the C partition, maybe E, but scanning for certain. |
i think m$ has modders just like us and im sure at this point they are using every method possible to screw people like us over so im just gonna say they are doing all of the above rather than than just one theory. and lpc scan is really being over looked cause i had all my shit on my f dive with mod chip off and they got me so we either change the hdd serial and model or we get comfortable with an ide switchwhich is gonna make all our xbox's look like shit
Post by: Strud1512 on November 15, 2004, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: sapper on November 15, 2004, 11:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zaden @ Nov 15 2004, 03:47 PM) |
| Ok I have been banned twice now on an xbox with no modchip, just softmod. Here's how it went.: October 11th I got banned after playing Halo 2 for a day, a day mind you, after playing xbox live for about 6 months with softmods, and I still have my original hard drive. I got a friend's eeprom, successfully restored my account and completely uninstalled UDE, but left apps on my E partition and the Skins directory on my C partition (couldn't delete for some reason). I played all day yesterday, and low and behold I am banned today on an unmodchipped, xbox live 3.0 machine running nothing but the standard software. Bullshit plain and simple. I was willing to give up mods for Halo and it does me no good. They're definately scanning the hard drive, maybe the C partition, maybe E, but scanning for certain. |
but he used the same banned HD, nobody noticed this?
I personally believe if your xbox was a virgin to live before you upgraded your hd you are fine. If you have been on live already and they already have your Eeprom/HD serial noted and than you change up the hd and now they see a new HD serial attached to that Eeprom they already have on file your asking to be banned.
Once this all settles down and we have figured this out its only a matter of time before they develope a new way to ban. Best bet is a live dedicated XBOX with zero mods.
Post by: XistenZ on November 15, 2004, 11:55:00 PM
I currently haven't been banned. After 2 days of playing Halo 2 hardcore, there has been no sign of banning. I am running a v1.1 xbox with smartxx v1.0 chip and a 120gb hdd.
I let my old gamertag expire and recived a new gt after I did some unmodifications
I disabled my mod chip - running original bios.
Swapped out 120 for the stock hdd.
So in my case with a new gt, original eeprom, hdd, chip is STILL on the board (solderless install) but is disabled. Nothing so far... I will keep you posted as this has only been a few days. It looks like people get banned within 24hours so I think I am safe so far and I do not feel that they are scanning LPC ports vs. checking hdds. If anyone is in this situation and has been banned IM me so I can remedy this
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Post by: randominity on November 16, 2004, 01:13:00 AM
1) did the update when you go on xblive with halo 2 have anything to do with it? can anyone check for new files on their hd that was from the update?
2) is it possible to setup a packet sniffer on the xbox and have it "fake" a connection to xblive or something?
Post by: dsilver668 on November 16, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
LPC scan why not? it isn't hard to send a small signal during logon to try and activate your chip. There are common power points for these chips and they don't change. If they can kick the chip on only for a second they can read it and flag your account for shut down on any date they choose.
Hard drive scan? It isn't hard to scan at a binary level during logon to look for a specific byte change. This means if you have an F and other extended partitions that aren't on the origional stock HD then they know it is a mod. All they need to check is the boot sector. That takes milliseconds not hours. I dont think they care what you have on your F drive.
Serial number mathcing? This is easy, it is embedded in your account information, although if you have your account on your memory card, and logon with a different XBOX than It changes. I think there is a section of the logon that sends the XBOX info to ms. It is like on a MS domain. The user, i.e. you logon to xbox live, and your xbox, sends it's data as a "PC" as a member of that domain. After all they are a computer company..
I think they are using combinations of these things with stagered roll outs to confuse us. I wish I was sitting in Redmond right now. they are probably reading the message boards and having a good laugh. For once I tip my hat to them on doing something right. even if it makes us all mad.
Post by: ampedXR on November 16, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Fully modified xbox, 160gig x2.1pro on a v1.0 xbox. PLayin on live everynight since halo's release. I have halo2 but not an original so I havent attempted to go on live with it.
NOT BANNED!
(I have noticed quite a few people who said they have not been banned, seem to have older systems and older chips...is there somthing to this? I dunno...)
Post by: bearauto on November 16, 2004, 10:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (ampedXR @ Nov 16 2004, 09:48 AM) |
| To keep it short and sweet: Fully modified xbox, 160gig x2.1pro on a v1.0 xbox. PLayin on live everynight since halo's release. I have halo2 but not an original so I havent attempted to go on live with it. NOT BANNED! (I have noticed quite a few people who said they have not been banned, seem to have older systems and older chips...is there somthing to this? I dunno...) |
It's Halo 2's LIVE connection that initiates the banning process. So of course you won't be banned.
Post by: spinr34 on November 16, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: obscene on November 16, 2004, 12:34:00 PM
xbox 1.6
stock hd running ude2
no mod
no xblive
bought halo 2 couple days ago, waiting to buy my 200gb hd and alladin mod chip before hoping on 2month live trial with my stock hd.
now.. after I put the chip..and leave the stock hd (removing all mod saves and ude2) I should be able to go on live with no problems correct? and switch to my 200gig when I dont need live? can anyone give me feedback on this... thanks!
Post by: bearauto on November 16, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (spinr34 @ Nov 16 2004, 12:02 PM) |
| it isn't halo 2, how many damned times do i have to say that? it's a server side check for the 100th time that they started around the same time halo 2 came out. so they have a new way of detecting, forget the halo 2 bs and focus on other shit. there is also a possibly be that older xbox's and/or older chips aren't affected as much as the newer ones for whatever reason as ampedxr was saying. |
Can anyone confirm this?
Post by: velvetmidget on November 16, 2004, 03:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (spinr34 @ Nov 16 2004, 09:02 PM) |
| it isn't halo 2, how many damned times do i have to say that? it's a server side check for the 100th time that they started around the same time halo 2 came out. so they have a new way of detecting, forget the halo 2 bs and focus on other shit. there is also a possibly be that older xbox's and/or older chips aren't affected as much as the newer ones for whatever reason as ampedxr was saying. |
correct! it just came out around the same time as halo 2 but has nothing to do with Halo. Its the live account update.
Post by: pane2k on November 16, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
Reason this is a possibility is because many who have been playing live since the release of halo 2, and havent enabled their modchips yet, are still not banned. However, many who enable their modchips inbetween are.
If there is a way to delete the file, before enabling the modchip the next time, or before logging onto live again, it might prevent MS from knowing you have a hacked box. I dont htink anyone has yet to confirm what the file is.
One thing i noticed is in the game saves, theres a game save called ONLINE XBOX UPDATER. When i deleted that file, it made me do the halo 2 update again. Once i did the halo 2 update again i could not find the file again.
Another thing i noticed is if you delete your account and do an account recovery, that also makes you do another halo 2 update.
With that said, will deleting your account after xbox live play, and recovering it only when your actually playing live prevent you from getting banned? Its possible, but there has to be an easier solution.
Post by: DiddyDK on November 16, 2004, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: Schmidty2 on November 16, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
Do you guys think I am in the clear or do I buy another XBOX?
Thanks
Post by: spinr34 on November 16, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (bearauto @ Nov 16 2004, 10:59 PM) |
| Can anyone confirm this? |
i can confirm it, i went on with mech assault on the 12th and i was banned last night when i tried it and i DON'T HAVE HALO 2. sheezus
Post by: Larrimus on November 17, 2004, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: mc_365 on November 17, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
If you make any changes to your xbox that makes the xbox out of ms specification (which is stock) your warrantee is void.
As far as live goes they may deny you or anyone else service for any reason and/or may discontinue live service all together without notice.
Xbox Live is not a contracted service, MS has no obligation to the user.
If you have a pre paid subscription and are denied service and you have not modded your box or ever used hacks or attempted/used pirated material then you maybe entitled to a refund of your unused subscription; but thats about as far as the law goes.
Post by: Shillow on November 17, 2004, 02:05:00 PM
1. Everyone has mentioned hd/eeprom serial # matching, but what I haven't seen mentioned is the MAC address recorded with these numbers as well. That is why if you are banned on your box, but you change the eeprom you are banned again. They see the same mac address, but a different serial number, which makes it planly obvious you've changed your eeprom.
2. If you sign up for Live! With a modded box, you're ok. MS records all your modded numbers, and it's none the wiser. If you change ypur config later on, like upgrading your HD or swapping eeproms cuz you got banned for something else, it will detect the change in serial numbers, and ban you.
3. Once banned, your gamer tag is flagged. From now on they will run more rigorus tests when you sign on, such as lpc scanning. I think the scanning theory was plainly proven in the first post, and it seems entirely possible. This would explain why once you are banned, it's near impossible to sign on again. As far as scanning hard drive files, I doubt it.
So from what I can gather, if you sign up for live after modding your box, you're ok. If you get an account, then change your hardware spec and sign back on, your screwed. Once banned, good luck getting on live with that box again.
How to avoid this? Well first off, if you still want to have an aftermarket hard drive, then you're going to need a switch to make one for live, and one for everything else.
I belive if you sign on to live running the retail bios from a xenium ice you'll be ok, but I'm not sure on this. If someone could clarify that, I'd appreciate it.
If you've been banned before, you will need a way to physically seperate the modchip from the lpc bus. Softmods and tsop flashers/splitters are SOL.
Just my input. Sorry if I'm horribly wrong on all this and am just adding to the confusion.
Team XTek is working on ways to keep people with modified boxes from being banned. Stay tuned.
Post by: Shillow on November 17, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
1. Everyone has mentioned hd/eeprom serial # matching, but what I haven't seen mentioned is the MAC address recorded with these numbers as well. That is why if you are banned on your box, but you change the eeprom you are banned again. They see the same mac address, but a different serial number, which makes it planly obvious you've changed your eeprom.
2. If you sign up for Live! With a modded box, you're ok. MS records all your modded numbers, and it's none the wiser. If you change ypur config later on, like upgrading your HD or swapping eeproms cuz you got banned for something else, it will detect the change in serial numbers, and ban you.
3. Once banned, your gamer tag is flagged. From now on they will run more rigorus tests when you sign on, such as lpc scanning. I think the scanning theory was plainly proven in the first post, and it seems entirely possible. This would explain why once you are banned, it's near impossible to sign on again. As far as scanning hard drive files, I doubt it.
So from what I can gather, if you sign up for live after modding your box, you're ok. If you get an account, then change your hardware spec and sign back on, your screwed. Once banned, good luck getting on live with that box again.
How to avoid this? Well first off, if you still want to have an aftermarket hard drive, then you're going to need a switch to make one for live, and one for everything else.
I belive if you sign on to live running the retail bios from a xenium ice you'll be ok, but I'm not sure on this. If someone could clarify that, I'd appreciate it.
If you've been banned before, you will need a way to physically seperate the modchip from the lpc bus. Softmods and tsop flashers/splitters are SOL.
Just my input. Sorry if I'm horribly wrong on all this and am just adding to the confusion.
Team XTek is working on ways to keep people with modified boxes from being banned. Stay tuned.
Post by: Shillow on November 17, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
1. Everyone has mentioned hd/eeprom serial # matching, but what I haven't seen mentioned is the MAC address recorded with these numbers as well. That is why if you are banned on your box, but you change the eeprom you are banned again. They see the same mac address, but a different serial number, which makes it planly obvious you've changed your eeprom.
2. If you sign up for Live! With a modded box, you're ok. MS records all your modded numbers, and it's none the wiser. If you change ypur config later on, like upgrading your HD or swapping eeproms cuz you got banned for something else, it will detect the change in serial numbers, and ban you.
3. Once banned, your gamer tag is flagged. From now on they will run more rigorus tests when you sign on, such as lpc scanning. I think the scanning theory was plainly proven in the first post, and it seems entirely possible. This would explain why once you are banned, it's near impossible to sign on again. As far as scanning hard drive files, I doubt it.
So from what I can gather, if you sign up for live after modding your box, you're ok. If you get an account, then change your hardware spec and sign back on, your screwed. Once banned, good luck getting on live with that box again.
How to avoid this? Well first off, if you still want to have an aftermarket hard drive, then you're going to need a switch to make one for live, and one for everything else.
I belive if you sign on to live running the retail bios from a xenium ice you'll be ok, but I'm not sure on this. If someone could clarify that, I'd appreciate it.
If you've been banned before, you will need a way to physically seperate the modchip from the lpc bus. Softmods and tsop flashers/splitters are SOL.
Just my input. Sorry if I'm horribly wrong on all this and am just adding to the confusion.
Team XTek is working on ways to keep people with modified boxes from being banned. Stay tuned.
Post by: Shillow on November 17, 2004, 02:16:00 PM
1. Everyone has mentioned hd/eeprom serial # matching, but what I haven't seen mentioned is the MAC address recorded with these numbers as well. That is why if you are banned on your box, but you change the eeprom you are banned again. They see the same mac address, but a different serial number, which makes it planly obvious you've changed your eeprom.
2. If you sign up for Live! With a modded box, you're ok. MS records all your modded numbers, and it's none the wiser. If you change ypur config later on, like upgrading your HD or swapping eeproms cuz you got banned for something else, it will detect the change in serial numbers, and ban you.
3. Once banned, your gamer tag is flagged. From now on they will run more rigorus tests when you sign on, such as lpc scanning. I think the scanning theory was plainly proven in the first post, and it seems entirely possible. This would explain why once you are banned, it's near impossible to sign on again. As far as scanning hard drive files, I doubt it.
So from what I can gather, if you sign up for live after modding your box, you're ok. If you get an account, then change your hardware spec and sign back on, your screwed. Once banned, good luck getting on live with that box again.
How to avoid this? Well first off, if you still want to have an aftermarket hard drive, then you're going to need a switch to make one for live, and one for everything else.
I belive if you sign on to live running the retail bios from a xenium ice you'll be ok, but I'm not sure on this. If someone could clarify that, I'd appreciate it.
If you've been banned before, you will need a way to physically seperate the modchip from the lpc bus. Softmods and tsop flashers/splitters are SOL.
Just my input. Sorry if I'm horribly wrong on all this and am just adding to the confusion.
Team XTek is working on ways to keep people with modified boxes from being banned. Stay tuned.
Post by: Shillow on November 17, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Ill delete those as soon as I have access to a computer.
My deepest apologies. It was completely unintentional.
Post by: spinr34 on November 17, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: dsilver668 on November 18, 2004, 11:18:00 AM
I have a xenium chip and larger HD. When all this started happening, I unplugged my chip but still have the larger hard drive.
Please note that I crreated my Live account on the modded XBOX, and have made no chenges ever.
I still have the large HD, but unless the are doing LPC scanning and nothing in depth with the HD, that you will be ok.
Post by: Scrumpyman on November 18, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: solid7x2 on November 18, 2004, 02:28:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Combine this with a little care when going live |
this is a huge problem I think hehe, that and people not searching posts
Post by: solid7x2 on November 18, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: 646 on November 20, 2004, 04:12:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Description According to all the publicity, MS's Halo 2 was supposed to be the ultimate XBox Live title and gamers were told that in order to make the most of their investment they would have to join XBox Live. It turns out that Halo 2 was a lot more since the latest news suggest that MS used the popularity of Halo 2 as a Trojan horse in order to put into effect a clause that all XBox Live users sign allowing the company to have a peek inside their consoles. The process however, started before the game shipped and in the days immediately preceding the launch a sharp increase was noted in the number of users kicked out of the online service's servers. The official line from MS is that users who own a modified XBox may use the changes to cheat during gameplay, something which would have an adverse effect on whole service. While this is a valid reason, the reason most gamers modify their consoles for is the ability to play copied or pirated games. It is also likely that MS wants to send a message to owners of modified consoles that they will not be able to make full use of their XBox unless they give up on the modifications. MS has clearly stated that it has no plans to go after individual users, stressing that it will pursue those manufacturing pirated games or mass-producing Xbox modifications, even though the legal community claims that the legality of modifying other people's technology remains unclear. MS is working and learning hard from the whole modification background for its XBox console in order to avoid similar problems when it launches its next-generation unit, expected in fall 2005. Services which require an online connection to be made have proved a positive incentive in preventing piracy. Many gamers have suggested that modifications to consoles may sometimes be considered a desirable aspect of gaming for the manufacturers since they guarantee popularity. The challenge for those manufacturers however, is to harness that popularity and get console owners to keep buying games, something which can best be achieved by the price for new games dropping to a more reasonable figure. |
XBL now puts a trojan on your box?
Post by: monkUsa on November 21, 2004, 07:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (646 @ Nov 20 2004, 01:15 PM) |
| http://www.megagames...xconsoles.shtml XBL now puts a trojan on your box? |
Well... my tests have been a little different. But before I start, I'd just like to point out something and I hope someone from MS takes note of this comment.
As it used stands, you have to purchase an original copy of a game to play Xbox Live. Most of my customers (www.stealthmods.com) in Australia that use Xbox Live that have now been banned are not going to pursue using Live.
This means that they will never purchase an original game again. Instead, they have shifted their online gaming to the alternative "Live" systems.
www.xbconnect.com
www.teamxlink.co.uk
Just in case you are wondering what I am going on about; by banning users you are encouraging them to NOT purchase games.
Some quick and simple calculations will reveal how many more games would be sold if the players on the alternate Live systems migrated back to Xbox Live.
But this post is not about the "dictatorialship" of MS with its policy of banning users who are exercising their right to do as they choose with the console that they have purchased - if the consoles were leased, then MS have every right to ban users - but the real reason for this post is to report my testing of Xbox Live with a "modified" Xbox xonsole.
I have simply installed a mod chip (Xenium) performed some alterations to the stock Western Digital 8GB hard drive using the Xenium OS ftp, then physically removed the chip. The alterations include having foreign software on the drive that should not be there, config files for dvd2Xbox, etc.
In addition, I have changed the video mode of the the console to be NTSC (North American), but left the other region coding to reflect that the unit is essentially a PAL (Australian) console.
As yet, I have not been banned, and have been running for 7 days.
My next test will take into account the notion that when you register an Xbox to Live, it records your console stats then and there. I will put a larger HDD in the test unit to see the results.
Post by: Leafz on November 21, 2004, 10:42:00 AM
I probally wont buy another console to just play on live b/c with the release of X2 somewhere in 05, i decided to wait. To play Halo2 now, i like the fact that i can play on XBC and Xlink with many other gamerz.
So all you Halo2 gamerz who were banned from live i suggest to cancel your live subscription and join other gamers on XBC and Xlink.
-Leafz
Post by: -Gadget- on November 21, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
thus locked by 3rd party of some kind
therefore most likly to have the master password of tem assemlby
because from what your sayng thats the ONLT thing left that they could check ..
or they do indeed ban HDD serials as well (as thats the same one u got banned with).. ?
Mick ..
Post by: surgenburn on November 21, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: X2Gamer on November 21, 2004, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: Gillsfan on November 23, 2004, 05:40:00 AM
Im in the UK. ive got a X2 chip, stock hd but im sure there are additional files in the e: but so far ive not been banned.
I signed up for live b4 the mod and have been on & off live several times over several days and in between live gaming have been enabling my chip for various reasons.
I always make sure my chips disabled for live & I have the 4983.02 Bios. Am I safe?
It seems to be purely the Epprom to HD serial no. but then someone comes out and contradicts that!!
Has anyone got any further news on the subject?
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 23, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 23, 2004, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: drunkenmonk on November 23, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: jlee922 on November 25, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
Chip: Xecuter 2.2 Lite
BIOS: X2 4977
Xbox 1.0
120 GB HDD
Signed up for Live for the first time on 11/9. Got banned on 11/22. I've had my chip and HDD in the box for over a year, so Marriage Theory doesn't apply to me. I've never played with the chip turned on. I HAVE used the xbox with the chip on, but never signed in to Live.
There was a Halo 2 Xbox live update on Thursday, 11/18 (I think) which was supposed to improve game connection speeds and open a new multiplayer map. Since then, I did not turn my modchip on for any reason until Monday, the day I was banned. After using my Xbox with the chip on, I powered off, and when I went back on with the chip off, I was banned.
Did the update have anything to do with it? Or did they just know all along and didn't actually take action until recently?
Maybe they're checking files, maybe they're checking HDD s/n's and/or models, I dunno. I know a lot of people are still on with upgraded or "dirty" HDDs, so maybe the checks are random. Maybe it's just a matter of time before these guys get banned.
I only want to play Halo 2 on Live, so I'm fine with formatting my original retail drive and installing that with a new EEPROM. Is it just the HDD Key that I need to change or do I need to replace the whole thing? I ran ConfigMagic on my friend's box and got his HDD Key, because I thought that's all I'd need, but now I'm not sure. Couldn't make sense of all the different posts.
Post by: pilot1 on November 25, 2004, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: jlee922 on November 26, 2004, 09:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (pilot1 @ Nov 26 2004, 03:10 AM) |
| maybe your xboxdash.xbe isnt the ms dash? |
No, I've been using evoxdash.xbe for evox and keeping xboxdash.xbe as the original dashboard...
Post by: inVinCiBleGaMa on November 26, 2004, 11:14:00 AM
did ur chip activate (what chip do u have btw?) wen u went on live?
cuz dats wat this topic is abt. my personal opinion is dat m$ MITE be doing LPC scans, does HDD scans on some GTs that have been flagged bcs of a previous ban, and always does marriag theory wit HDD Keys
Post by: rootmein on November 27, 2004, 12:27:00 AM
(both have same version of live)
Brother's box
-xbox v1.6
-xbit pinheader install(switch to sever the d0 for stealth/live mode)
-200gb seagate 7200
-all third party software on f:
-factory c: & e:
-XBL setup 11/10/04
My Box(prior to ban)
-xbox v1.5
-original eeprom
-xbit screw in(also has switch)
-30gb samsung 5400
-all third party software on f:
-factory c: & e:
-XBL setup 4/10/04
i made the poor decision to switch hd's on 11/24/04. performed account recovery and on 11/25/04 i was banned. brothers box has no signs of any banning so far. neither of us has logged on xbl while chip was activated. purchased a new hd today and awaiting eeprom. going to attempt to use same gamertag i will follow up with results. below are settings for current(banned) and hopefully unbanned. compare the differences and notice only a hd change.
My Box(banned)
-xbox v1.5
-original eeprom
-xbit screw in(also has switch)
-30gb western digital 7200
-all third party software on f:
-factory c: & e:
-XBL setup 4/10/04 (account recovered 11/24/04)
My Box(unbanned hopefully)
-xbox v1.5
-new eeprom
-xbit screw in(also has switch)
-200gb maxtor 7200
-all third party software on f:
-factory c: & e:
-XBL setup 4/10/04 (account recovered when i receive new eeprom)
also, one last thing that might spark ideas. my inability to connect message was originally b/c of modified hardware/software. i fiddled around with the online key and sn in config magic and afterwards i received a different inability to connect message something like "technical complications, etc" i dunno exactly what it said. i then reverted to original and received modded error message again, so needless to state there is a connection between the two. i also believe there to be some sort of generator for xbox eeproms out there or someone knows the proper algorithm. let me know what you guys think.
Post by: silvershadow on November 27, 2004, 04:06:00 AM
i bought pro evo last nite,turned off my chip,locked my hd,updated ms dash and played on live for 6 hours ok.
do you get banned straight away on ms update or when they feel like it.
thanks
Post by: sapper on November 27, 2004, 04:37:00 AM
Post by: rootmein on November 27, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Genessee @ Nov 27 2004, 09:25 PM) |
| Maybe I missed one, but have any v1.0/1.1/1.2/1.3 consoles been banned? Perhaps only newer ones are able to be checked for what ever it is that is getting people banned. As stated before, mine is a v1.0 console with a X2.2 Lite chip, a 120GB Maxtor HDD (Locked of course) and I've spent quite a bit of time playing Halo2 (w/Mod chip on off the HDD and w/Mod chip off for live) and several other games with no problems. (The HD wasn't the first I've used on Live, but that was a good 18 months ago now, so that wouldn't apply to any recent collecting of such information). My C: is just like it was when it had no mod chip, though E: will have some save items from XBMC and other applications, so I wouldn't think they are scanning that unless its random and I've been quite lucky. |
i believe the most recent (halo 2) xbl update is when they began comparing eeprom's to hd's therefore you would be in the clear as far as that goes. whatever you do, dont change your hd now. im willing to bet you will be banned if you do so.
Post by: Jbshady2 on November 27, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
If I Run A Spider Chip Or Xenium Ice Solderless And I Unplug The LPC I Will Be Fine?
Is Unplugging the LPC okay to do?
And By the way i have a standard hard drive....
Post by: Jbshady2 on November 27, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
If I Run A Spider Chip Or Xenium Ice Solderless And I Unplug The LPC I Will Be Fine?
Is Unplugging the LPC okay to do?
And By the way i have a standard hard drive....
Post by: Rayan on November 28, 2004, 12:59:00 PM
Just go out and find a cheap-o-second-hand UNMODDED XBOX to play on live!!!
That's what I did and I switch from one or the other with my Home Entertainment System!!!
So no matter what theory is true, M$ will not stay put and will eventually counteract to any MOD or HACK...
STOP PLAYING THE CAT AND MOUSE GAME!!!
Post by: Sgt_Yates on November 29, 2004, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: spyman on December 01, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
Another thing to check is if the install of the chip was done by wire or pin header.
There are so many variant reasons, but this would apply to the lpc scan theory.
Post by: drunkenmonk on December 02, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| ok i have a box 2.6b xecuter lite, stock hd (but loads of new stuff on all drives) messey lol i have never signed up for live |
The 2.6b?? With your 2.3b chip you should be able to copy all relevant files over to the new hard drive and sign up with live. You sound like you know whats going on though Red_eyes. Just read the forums on the different methods of stealth from the M$ people. It might be worth moving all files for the xbox dash and leaving all non M$ stuff off at first. If you can find the bios that is modified for loading the dashboard from drive F that could be of benefit in the future.. Then just keep everything on F that is not M$.
I have noticed that drive C has a lot of misc. files and folders on it before you sign onto live and then the dashboard update organizes it. So save all original files to your computer and burn it to a cd for backup purposes. If you need to redo your eeprom it would be useful to go back to your original files.
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 03, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 03, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (Red_Eyes @ Dec 1 2004, 06:07 PM) |
| ok i have a box 2.6b xecuter lite, stock hd (but loads of new stuff on all drives) messey lol i have never signed up for live i am going to get a 250 -300 gig hd very soon (really cheap on www.pricerunner.co.uk) if i replace hd, and just disable mod chip (with the external board switch not rip it out) and sign up for live, will i be ok? and say i get banned, because i dont know how/where to get/buy another eeprom can i sign up a new account if i buy another xbox or somehow manage to repair my dodgy unmodded one ? its a piss off because i have another (old) unmodded xbox (which actualluy played some of my dvd backups when the modded one diddnt  ) but thats beginning to die i think its the power supply it cracks and sparks and smells like those scaelectrics car controllers (ya know with the cool little build yer own race tracks?)any way smells like a full on burning electrical thingie, but everything else works on it, i just dont like turning it on because it catches fire  (i feel its pain) id be vary grateful to absolutley any help thanks :edited because im a stupid stoner |
Xbox-Scene TUT on swapping eeproms
Either do that w/ your 2 box'z or find someone(that dosent play live) willing to give you their eeproms....or another good resourse is to check xbins,Mirc, something along those lines....If you really want your dodgy xbox repaired or even want to junk it(spare parts!!)... PM me and we can set something up...
Post by: deacon187 on December 03, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (drunkenmonk @ Dec 2 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| It might be worth moving all files for the xbox dash and leaving all non M$ stuff off at first. If you can find the bios that is modified for loading the dashboard from drive F that could be of benefit in the future.. Then just keep everything on F that is not M$. |
ive always had everything on f nothing on c and only saves on e
but you dont need to find a modified bios to load from you can simply edit your current one and reflash it, i always have to do that when i try new bios's cause most are all set to load from c
Post by: Digital Marine on December 04, 2004, 08:07:00 AM
Post by: romerom on December 04, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
I had originally had my xbox locked out a couple months ago cause my kids logged onto xbox live with the modchip ON (doh!). I was slackin on getting it fixed but just yesterday I finally went and used slayer's boot disc to rebuilt my original HD image caues I recently got Halo 2 and wanted to play on live..
My motherboard revision is 1.6
I'm using an X-Bit Modchip
I have the original HD installed
I had NOTHING except the original contents of the xbox hard drive on the HD at the time of the banning so this completely rules out a HD scan..
Last night I was able to login to recover my xbox live account after using slayer's disc to put it at the original image.. I played Halo 2 on live which subsequently installed some update. I also played MechAssault which installed an update and I downloaded all the content updates (maps/mechs etc).
This afternoon I tried to connect and was locked out. I had not once turned my modchip on after reimaging and playing xbox live so theres no chance the chip was on when I was on live.
At this point, I'm trying to recover my xbox live account, but its failing to connect. Its either a slow network (quite possible) or they added in another little check which makes my xbox unable to recover an xbox live account even after a re-image to stock.
Post by: Sechy on December 05, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 05, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
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Post by: Digital Marine on December 06, 2004, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 06, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: nitemare on December 06, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
I was using Live fine for about a month. Stock HD, Xecuter2.3 chip. Always disabled it. Then, I installed a 250 GB HD with Evox -X , used "stealth" folders. My account was banned about 22 Hours later. Last night, I flashed the EEPRom with my old HD key--still banned. Then I flashed it again with my old Xbox Serial #. not Banned anymore. Still using same account.
Ill let you know tomorrow if I pass the 24Hour period...
Post by: Digital Marine on December 06, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: nitemare on December 06, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
Damn--these guys dont mess around! Fook them!
Well, Banned again 2nd time within 48 hours.
The cause of all the banning is my 250GB harddrive. I was never banned with the X2 and stock drive. 17 hours I installed the WD 250GB HD, Stealth Evox2.6 install- i was banned. I modified the eeprom- recovered my account- banned about 17 Hours afterwards. I put in the HD Serial # and Xbox Serial # of my old xbox (which i dont have anymore) -and that let me re-enter my account..but banned yet again..all thanks to the new HardDrive..
Post by: nitemare on December 06, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
(Im guessing its 1.0 because it says Kernal 1.0 in Evox) I got this xbox about a year after launch-right when the enigmah chip came out.. Is there a better way to tell what version XB im using?
Post by: deacon187 on December 07, 2004, 07:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrPMP @ Dec 7 2004, 09:07 PM) |
Anyone tried using a Larger than Stock Harddrive. And booting off your F:\ drive when you mod chip is on. Put your Dashboard files and everything in F: or G: partitions. Then you Leave C: and E: stock and format them and put them back to Original MS dash config. YOu turn your mod chip off. And boot xbox like it was stock. THe stock MS bios won't recognize the F: and G: partions and you'll be fine. I've played since Live came out with a 120 Gig hard drive. that I formatted to stock with my Dash and stuff on the F:\ drive.  |
i had a 1.3 xbox with a chameleon 1.3 chip evox m7,3921 dash, running this way for a long time without a single problem, 3 months before halo 2 my 120 gig drive crashed and i dropped in a 160, used the disk.bin to format everything, was fine on live near everyday until i played halo 2 on release night, next day i was banned
Post by: bob_barker on December 08, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
Using X3, v1.0 box, 160 gig Maxtor. Never put this box on Live until I had the drive in and formatted. To top it all off, I'm running my stock bios off my X3! (Fragged TSOP) Haven't had a problem yet, been playing Halo2 all of a week.
- BB
Post by: Digital Marine on December 08, 2004, 08:28:00 PM
) with stock HDD2. Mod chip with upgraded HDD
Doing those two should give us atleast a 25% chance to knowing what MS is doing. Because if I would get banned with both of those that means they are doing mod chip scans. But if I only got banned for number 2 and not 1, I would try this:
3. Softmod (or audio hack) with upgraded HDD.
4. Softmod (or audio hack) with stock HDD.
Now, I know you wont get banned for number 4, because thats what I do now. So we know they arnt banning for unsign coding. So now we need to perform those other tests to see if they are banning for harddrive upgrades or mod chips. But it seems like nobody wants to do a harddrive upgrade with a softmod, so I might try it this christmas if I end up buying a used Xbox.
It would be great if someone could sell me a used Xbox, non-ban for less then 120 dollars (thats how much a used one is here where I live).
Post by: Digital Marine on December 08, 2004, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 08, 2004, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 08, 2004, 11:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (nitemare @ Dec 7 2004, 02:36 AM) |
| XB version 1.0 (Im guessing its 1.0 because it says Kernal 1.0 in Evox) I got this xbox about a year after launch-right when the enigmah chip came out.. Is there a better way to tell what version XB im using? |
http://xbox-scene.com/versions.php
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 09, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
-GET A SECOND XBOX FOR XBL!!-used ones are only a buck twenty..then you dont have to worry about what hdd's,or if you have the chip toching the lpc or what not
Just my opinion...i dont have the time to replace eeproms anymore
Post by: poiygon on December 09, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
If you want your same gamertag, use a stock HDD
Post by: dyinman on December 10, 2004, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 10, 2004, 02:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (dyinman @ Dec 10 2004, 04:03 AM) |
| Newbies... quit wasting your time. Some pros are working on it. So go get some sleep. |
lol@ at the 2 post*er
Post by: The Juggler on December 10, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
I had 1 xbox, modded, with stock 8GB drive and no mod files on HD. I used this box for 2 weeks with no problems on XBL after Halo2 release.
I put in a larger HD, and it got banned.
I used the stock HD from that xbox and put it in my friends xbox (which had been banned due to large HD). Reflashed his EEPROM, and he's been on XBL just fine since.
So, if M$ had collected the HD serial number of that drive when it was being used on the first xbox, why wouldn't my friends box be banned after using it now? Also, this was the 2nd time his GT had been on with a banned box (so I would assume if they are flagging it, they would have checked his box)
Post by: Digital Marine on December 10, 2004, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: nabilanwar on December 10, 2004, 04:48:00 PM
Here's my 2 cents. Has anyone considered this?
Maybe MS is intentionally NOT banning some modded xboxes just because they want an array of confusion going on in the modded society.
And when i say confusion....... i hope i dont have to explain that. I say leave it upto the modchip companies, trust me they will figure something out sooner or later, its bad for their business.
Post by: Digital Marine on December 10, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
And yes I did use profanity a lot, im pissed, at some fuckers, and I think softmods are the way to go if you dont wanna go through all the confusion of the gay MS banning.
Post by: Digital Marine on December 10, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
The 3rd definitions is all stupid (and funny)..."Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal." They could of just said something like "Used when someone is angry" instead of like a scientfic definition....
Post by: Digital Marine on December 11, 2004, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: feet14 on December 11, 2004, 05:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (The Juggler @ Dec 10 2004, 10:42 PM) |
| Something that doesn't make sense to me about the marriage theory is: I had 1 xbox, modded, with stock 8GB drive and no mod files on HD. I used this box for 2 weeks with no problems on XBL after Halo2 release. I put in a larger HD, and it got banned. I used the stock HD from that xbox and put it in my friends xbox (which had been banned due to large HD). Reflashed his EEPROM, and he's been on XBL just fine since. So, if M$ had collected the HD serial number of that drive when it was being used on the first xbox, why wouldn't my friends box be banned after using it now? Also, this was the 2nd time his GT had been on with a banned box (so I would assume if they are flagging it, they would have checked his box) |
Same here. I started using live with my stock HD. Swapped HD for a bigger one in July. Banned 9th Nov. Flashed EEPROM, put original HD in, Slayered HD to retail. It would seem that they aren't logging serial numbers as I was able to use the original HD again with a different EEPROM. Now if they spotted my HD marriage broken, why did it take them so long to ban me?
Now, you were banned soon after swapping your HD, in the post-Halo 2 world. I think I have enough to propose a new theory:
There is no marriage of Xbox Serial and HD Serial. The Live 2.0 updates allowed the Xbox to secretly write data about changed components to the partition table (cookies), but XBL was not able to access this data.
Just before the Halo 2 launch (Say Nov 7th) M$ rolled out the updates required for H2. These allowed XBL to read the data from the HD. Thus, everyone who had changed their HD after 2.0 was banned. Anyone changing their HD (without a new EEPROM) post-H2 would be caught fairly quickly.
Perhaps M$ scanned every HD just before H2 and caught most upgraded HD's. After H2, people with flagged GT's would be scanned more frequently, wheras those with new GT's would be scanned perhaps every week/fortnight.
Post by: Digital Marine on December 11, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: SkAtAnIcK on December 11, 2004, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: feet14 on December 11, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 11 2004, 03:12 PM) |
| That makes since, but cant you subscribe with a Xbox Live 2.0 still? Just copy the dashboard over to your upgraded harddrive, pop in a Xbox Live 2.0 game, and then try to log in. It doesnt detect an account so you click Regester, and would that upgrade your dashboard or will it let you sign up?? |
I was referring to changes made when Live 2.0 was rolled out. The new "features" added then are still present in the current version (3.0). When I swapped my HD, we were on Live 2.0 and so according to my new theory my HD change was logged using cookies. Until Live 3.0 was rolled out, M$ wern't able to access this data so I wasn't banned immediately.
Post by: Digital Marine on December 11, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
. I change the tab to say "D MARINE" and it loads Evox, but I still like the audio hack better then this one.
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Post by: Nosf3ratu on December 12, 2004, 02:00:00 AM
Post by: xKhAoZx on December 12, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
When I signed up for Xbox Live (Which was like 4 or 5 days after the halo 2 release date) my Xbox was modded (Xenium Chip) with an upgraded hard drive. I just got banned 3 days ago.
I don't know what could fix it. How can a new EEPROM (or w.e) fix it? How did they ban me in the first place, I signed up with the hard drive.
Do you think if I just take the mod chip off that they will unban me? Cuz I'm really fucking pissed, I wanna play halo 2, and I have like 11 months left of Xbox live... I don't really want to buy a New Xbox!
Thanks for all your help in advance!
Post by: DerangedPrometheus on December 12, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Do you think if I just take the mod chip off that they will unban me? Cuz I'm really fucking pissed, I wanna play halo 2, and I have like 11 months left of Xbox live... I don't really want to buy a New Xbox! |
M$ bans your eeprom, as each xbox has a unique one. Removing the chip will not get your account back, although if it does we'd all like to know. When exactly did you upgrade your hard drive, before or after siging up for your live account? Evidence seems to show that M$ was "marrying" hdds before the newest update even, sometime in the summer maybe?
Post by: Stallion001 on December 12, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
Basically, the XBOX is it's own computer. All gamers around the world mod their pc's, with different graphics cards, hard drives, different CPU, etc... Well, why should XBOX be an exception? Now like i said before, the scanning of hacks and cheats is fine with me, but they shouldnt freakin ban you for a modded xbox. That's like banning all these gamers in Counter-Strike, Unreal, and Call of Duty, because they have an advantage of a better graphics card and memory. That's just stupid. We as the people have the right to mod or mess around with anything we buy, except selling the XBOX's that we mod. These people in court should do something about MS's way of "banment". Just so stupid..
Post by: chavanet on December 12, 2004, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: chavanet on December 12, 2004, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 12, 2004, 06:18:00 PM
Also, Stallion001, I think your right. MS is gay! Why the hell do they have to ban us? We bought these Xbox's from them for $150! I have 2 Xbox's! One was like 250 dollars (when they first came out), and one was 150 dollars. We are supporting MS by buying Xbox's, why cant they just let us mod it all we want? We should beable to mod anything and everything we want! I dont think there is a law saying "You cannot mod a Xbox console". We bought the Xbox, its in our possetion, we should beable to mod without MS chewing our asses out. I mean yeah, people dont like cheating online, so just ban cheaters for like a 10 day period, not forever. Thats a cheap ass way of getting money!
Also, I think I would throw something in about the marrage theory. I dont think its true, because think about it...if you were to buy another Xbox just for the hell of it. Never got banned at all, and you transfer your account over to your new Xbox via memory card. Then you log in, then according to the marrage theory, wouldnt you get banned because its not the same EEPROM and/or harddrive serial? I mean yeah, its a good theory, but it just wouldnt make sence in all cases. But then again...its a THEORY...
Post by: DerangedPrometheus on December 12, 2004, 06:43:00 PM
| QUOTE |
Also, I think I would throw something in about the marrage theory. I dont think its true, because think about it...if you were to buy another Xbox just for the hell of it. Never got banned at all, and you transfer your account over to your new Xbox via memory card. Then you log in, then according to the marrage theory, wouldnt you get banned because its not the same EEPROM and/or harddrive serial? I mean yeah, its a good theory, but it just wouldnt make sence in all cases. But then again...its a THEORY... |
Marriage theory states that you will get banned if a HDD key or eeprom show up on live again without its matching part. A new xbox would have both a new hdd key and eeprom and would not get banned because neither has been seen on live before.
| QUOTE |
I was wandering, does anyone know if you will get banned for the Xbox Live tab exploit? I finally got it working, and I figured out it doesnt clock loop at all (it loads some hacked fonts). But now im wandering if it will ban me from Xbox Live if I dont cold boot off a game. Im currently on Black Arrow after cold booting with it, but I dont feel like cold booting every freaking time! |
I believe (although i could be wrong and gladly welcome other's ideas) that you must cold boot, otherwise the exploit is enabled which loads another bios that live would detect. I've set my leds to be orange/red when the exploit is loaded so that i could tell what state my bios was in. As long as it was green (only possible if you cold booted with the game in the drive) it was Live sage. This used to work prior to the new bannings, but I haven't had a chance to try it out recently. Does any hae any experiences about soft mod and the new live?
Post by: Digital Marine on December 12, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: Stallion001 on December 13, 2004, 12:11:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Also, Stallion001, I think your right. MS is gay! Why the hell do they have to ban us? We bought these Xbox's from them for $150! I have 2 Xbox's! One was like 250 dollars (when they first came out), and one was 150 dollars. We are supporting MS by buying Xbox's, why cant they just let us mod it all we want? We should beable to mod anything and everything we want! I dont think there is a law saying "You cannot mod a Xbox console". We bought the Xbox, its in our possetion, we should beable to mod without MS chewing our asses out. I mean yeah, people dont like cheating online, so just ban cheaters for like a 10 day period, not forever. Thats a cheap ass way of getting money! |
Well at least i have another opinion that agrees with me...
And in reply to you, xKhAoZx, i know that we do have the right to mod our xboxes the way we want, but i mean why should we be banned if we go online on XBL with it? I'll say again, XBOX Live Services should just search your hard drive(s) for cheats. Look at Steam (www.steampowered.com), the program used to play Half-life based games online on ur pc, they made their own security module, where it searches your harddrive for cheats and hacks. They update it i think every week. But, they allow users to run their own config files, if its bieng ran in a funny way, you are kicked from the servers, not banned. You see, the configs are user-made, meaning they can tweak their graphics, boost FPS, and such, so thats NOT ILLEGAL. Now, if any hacks or cheats have been detected from the security module, your banned for a year. Why dont XBOX Live Services just freakin scan your damn hard drive for the cheats? Are they too lazy to come up with a module to do this? Or do they want to keep losing money from banning people who mod there xbox. Does STEAM ban people for people who mod their pc's? Or make their own config files? HELL NO. That's why MS needs to stop trippin, and just make their own little xbox live module.
Once you try to login to XBOX Live, it scans your HARDDRIVE, or it detects something bieng ran awkardly. THATS THE TIME THEY SHOULD BAN YOU. Not over a freakin modded xbox. Last time i checked, XBOX is a computer. So why cant we modify our "computers" just like we do the real ones? That's my point exactly. I'd nail these MS people with these questions if i was a lawyer, just to see their responses, or their lame excuses for their lazyness. I'm sure many people in the XBOX Modding community agree with me... (except the cheaters, who dont like my idea of the security module..)
Thats just my opinion, and i hope you all agree with me...
Post by: DerangedPrometheus on December 13, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 13, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
), but didnt work. I still have all those hacked files, and never got banned from Xbox Live. Well....my first Xbox got banned for no reason, and MS just blew me off like a bitch. But since I have been softmodding, I have NEVER been ban. Ive gotten other peoples Xbox's softmodded, and only 1 or 2 of them have been ban from careless mistakes. But I know for sure they arnt doing a harddrive scan for "hacks" at all. They may be looking for a G partion (I have an F partion). I still think they are doing a mod chip scan!
Post by: Digital Marine on December 13, 2004, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: The Juggler on December 14, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 11 2004, 01:03 AM) |
| Well...one thing...its called "marriage theory" for a reason. "Theory" means... |
No Shit Sherlock. That's why I am stating reasons why it may not be accurate.
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 11 2004, 01:03 AM) |
| Also, did you put your EEPROM and shit on your larger harddrive? |
Lol. Dude, it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about.
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 11 2004, 01:03 AM) |
| And I thought you could change your harddrive serial number using Config Magic. |
Uh...no. That info is stored in the HD firmware.
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 11 2004, 01:03 AM) |
| Ive only used Config Magic once and I forgot to lock my harddrive, so I ended up with a fucked harddrive (I have no mod chip). |
Your harddrive would be fine then. Reformat it and use it for something else. OR, if you were smart enough to backup your EEPROM, then you could use LiveInfo to generate the correct password and relock it.
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 13 2004, 03:21 AM) |
| if you were to buy another Xbox just for the hell of it. Never got banned at all, and you transfer your account over to your new Xbox via memory card. Then you log in, then according to the marrage theory, wouldnt you get banned because its not the same EEPROM and/or harddrive serial? |
It's entirely clear you don't even understand the Marriage Theory. You're GamerTag isn't linked to the HD or the EEPROM. You can move that around all you want.
Post by: Digital Marine on December 14, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 14, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: mantralapse on December 14, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
) As long as my HDD is locked and my modchip is disabled I dont get banned... As for the X3 maybe its slightly flawed for use with xbox live, like when Xbox Live does its little scan the chip thinks its being turned on... and since the X2 doesnt have the backup mode theres no problem....
I also have a friend running the Xenium and he hasnt been banned...
I hope this helps...
I also have another question, i little off topic but: where are the files contianing your xbox live information located on the HDD.. I spent hours searching for it and going through all the scripts but i couldnt find the correct file... If you know please let me know....
Thank YOu,
Mantralapse
www.arcanism.com
[email protected]
Post by: DerangedPrometheus on December 14, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: xprimex on December 14, 2004, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on December 14, 2004, 08:48:00 PM
Mantralapse, XBL logs some XBL information in E:\CACHE, but not too sure where your account is stored.
DerangedPrometheus, I just use the 4920 dashboard all the way. I figured the xonlinedash.xbe loads off C:\fonts\Xbox.xtf and XBox Book.xtf. So I downloaded some font files (I think it was frenix), and put them on C:\fonts. I hexed edited ernie.xtf, and it was looking for Xbox.bak and XBox Book.bak, so I renamed those. Then everything went fine. So when I click the Xbox Live tab (renamed to "Evox Dash"), it loads the bert.xtf and ernie.xtf, then it loads the M8 bios with Evox. From there im free to do just about anything I wish.
*EDIT*
I mixed a shit load of files to work correctly
Post by: deacon187 on December 14, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: The Juggler on December 15, 2004, 03:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (Digital Marine @ Dec 15 2004, 12:15 AM) |
| And The Juggler doesnt like me... |
Don't take it personally. I don't like anyone.
I'd be really shocked if M$ was scanning files. I think that's sort of an invasion of privacy, and I can't imagine that they would blatently break the law. Although, it may be true that they run a checksum on the xboxdash.xbe to make sure it is legit.
I have yet to accept any theory that's been proposed yet. I know what I've seen thru my tests and nothing seems to agree with what has been stated.
BUT, Angerwound is convincingly persistant that it's possible to play live from a large HD. AND I've seen a box I modded (with a 120GB) for a friend work on Live so far. I've reflashed my eeprom with a spanking new one, and signed up with XBL under a new GT. We'll see if my box (with 250GB) is banned tomorrow.... Probably will be be.
Post by: srtlnx on December 17, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
The other day I played on live with the modchip in the Retail Kernel mode (still power to the chip, but it lets the stock LPC bios run as if the chip was off, I have done this for months with no issues) and it worked fine, played 5 hours or so.
Then yesterday I go to sign on and I am banned. I really think that there is some possible LPC bus scanning going on, because this is the only hardisk the xbox has ever seen (i didn't even turn it on with the old one in there). I also think that only the newer always-on chips are effected.
Post by: xbox_Steve on December 17, 2004, 11:32:00 AM
80gb hd locked
xecuter 2.3lite
xbox 1.4
i went on this morning and somehowed it banned me
damn ms
Post by: otis2307 on December 19, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (srtlnx @ Dec 17 2004, 06:58 PM) |
| I have a 1.6 xbox that as soon as I bought it I modded it with a Xenium ICE and replaced the hardisk. I have been playing on live fine, until recently. The other day I played on live with the modchip in the Retail Kernel mode (still power to the chip, but it lets the stock LPC bios run as if the chip was off, I have done this for months with no issues) and it worked fine, played 5 hours or so. Then yesterday I go to sign on and I am banned. I really think that there is some possible LPC bus scanning going on, because this is the only hardisk the xbox has ever seen (i didn't even turn it on with the old one in there). I also think that only the newer always-on chips are effected. |
Same thing happened to me....I'm not sure but I was playing Ghost Recon and a bunch of other games online bout a month or less ago and i get on a couple days ago and it says im banned...I have a 120 gig HD and xenium ice chip and did then exact same thing and now I'm banned...Im been fine until just recently...this is getting weird...anybody seen ANTI-TRUST this feels just like that movie
Post by: otis2307 on December 19, 2004, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: vtec236 on December 19, 2004, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: DanM602 on December 22, 2004, 10:04:00 PM
I have another XBOX that I bought which is at home, was made in October of this year probably a 1.6 but I am debating to mod it even though I have a X3 sitting right here, 1 year live subscription card, and a new 120GB hard drive, lol
. What ya think, should I do it?I'm just throwing this out for speculation but my question for those people who believe that MS is putting power to the LPC bus. Couldn't you take a multimeter and check if the voltage changes on the bus while it is on?
Post by: SpookieStylez on December 22, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
QUOTE(DanM602 @ Dec 23 2004, 01:07 AM)
Got Banned... 1.1 XBOX, Western Digital 120GB HD, X-Bit 1.0 Mod-Chip so much for Live! at college
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Post by: Dwoo on December 23, 2004, 07:59:00 AM
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Got banned yesterday......*sigh*
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Post by: xbox_Steve on December 23, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
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But are you saying that MS would only run the check above in what scenario? They are obivuosly not doing this all the time or everyone with a larger than stock hard drive would be banned.
It could be possible that if MS has any reason to believe your xbox is modified, maybe flagged GT from before using the same info, or along other line, they could run this extra check if neccesary.
I still think MS is either randomly banning people with larger hard drives or have some secret security mehtod that Bill Gates made up himself just to screw us all over.
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Post by: PhatheadWRX on December 23, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
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I have a 1.0, X3, 120 Maxtor. All apps and dashes on F:\
I'm pretty sure that I was banned because a friend who was banned before brought over his GT and we played on my Box. Sucks
Well I already got a new EEPROM from a friend who does not use his box on live and I'm gonna pick up an Xpod (good excuse) to fit my 120 and my old stock drive.
As long as I only log onto live with my stock drive I should be fine from now on correct?
Thanks guys
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Post by: Digital Marine on December 23, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
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Post by: xbox_Steve on December 23, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
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that could be why...
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: xbox_Steve on December 24, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
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oh ok i understand, hopefully MS does not do that.
They are gettting smarter and eviler...
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: dRift.X on December 28, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
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If I were to buy a new xbox just for xbox live purposes and I used my gamertag that I used on my modded xbox, will it be flagged and fuck me over for the new xbox?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: solid7x2 on December 28, 2004, 05:10:00 AM
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if they do 'flag' GTs and you use it on a never been modified xbox, you will be fine. A completely stock xbox is the way to go if you have the money and dont want to be hassled with worrying about bannings.
on the other hand, tons of people have been banned and are now back on live... And there hasnt been any changes recently, which is why this forum has been relitively slow lately
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: StevenX on December 28, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
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OK, I'm just throwing this in here so maybe some of you guys can figure things out.
I got a SmartXX chip with the M8 EvoX dash.
My HDD is the stock HDD, although I did try to install some apps on to it so i did create some folders that were not ment to be there originally.
I bought my XBOX recently, so I think I have a v1.6.
I was playing live fine, then got banned. I deleted the extra folders in my HDD, and I'm getting a new EEPROM and flashing it to see if I can get back on XBL.
I think I speak for most Halo enthusiasts when I say that XBL is way better than XBC or XLink Kai.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: pandamandan on December 28, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
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Post by: Dwoo on December 23, 2004, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: xbox_Steve on December 23, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(r1v3n @ Dec 23 2004, 08:11 AM)
I would guess that the POST-type check would verify certain aspects of the hardware (BIOS version and HDD type and size). The program itself could flag a FAIL if the HDD was too big or a different manufacturer, or the M$ XBL server could check for a FAIL when you log in...
But are you saying that MS would only run the check above in what scenario? They are obivuosly not doing this all the time or everyone with a larger than stock hard drive would be banned.
It could be possible that if MS has any reason to believe your xbox is modified, maybe flagged GT from before using the same info, or along other line, they could run this extra check if neccesary.
I still think MS is either randomly banning people with larger hard drives or have some secret security mehtod that Bill Gates made up himself just to screw us all over.
Post by: PhatheadWRX on December 23, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
I have a 1.0, X3, 120 Maxtor. All apps and dashes on F:\I'm pretty sure that I was banned because a friend who was banned before brought over his GT and we played on my Box. Sucks
Well I already got a new EEPROM from a friend who does not use his box on live and I'm gonna pick up an Xpod (good excuse) to fit my 120 and my old stock drive.
As long as I only log onto live with my stock drive I should be fine from now on correct?
Thanks guys
Post by: Digital Marine on December 23, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: xbox_Steve on December 23, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Digital Marine @ Dec 23 2004, 04:46 PM)
But get this, I dont have a freaking mod chip, maybe that would explain why I havnt been banned!
that could be why...
Post by: xbox_Steve on December 24, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
They are gettting smarter and eviler...
Post by: dRift.X on December 28, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
Post by: solid7x2 on December 28, 2004, 05:10:00 AM
on the other hand, tons of people have been banned and are now back on live... And there hasnt been any changes recently, which is why this forum has been relitively slow lately
Post by: StevenX on December 28, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
I got a SmartXX chip with the M8 EvoX dash.
My HDD is the stock HDD, although I did try to install some apps on to it so i did create some folders that were not ment to be there originally.
I bought my XBOX recently, so I think I have a v1.6.
I was playing live fine, then got banned. I deleted the extra folders in my HDD, and I'm getting a new EEPROM and flashing it to see if I can get back on XBL.
I think I speak for most Halo enthusiasts when I say that XBL is way better than XBC or XLink Kai.
Post by: pandamandan on December 28, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(StevenX @ Dec 28 2004, 05:13 PM)
OK, I'm just throwing this in here so maybe some of you guys can figure things out.
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Post by: mrblue13 on December 28, 2004, 07:20:00 PM
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one other thing... where do i find a decent Need for Speed 2 live forum??
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Post by: StevenX on December 30, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
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So what I'm getting for all this is very simple. We're screwed. Go get yourself a stock XBOX, play for a bit, then take it back to walmart.
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Post by: stevey5036 on December 30, 2004, 07:33:00 PM
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wrong. if you looked throughout the messages before you posted you would see a way around it...
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Hopeful on December 31, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
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Post by: mrblue13 on December 28, 2004, 07:20:00 PM
one other thing... where do i find a decent Need for Speed 2 live forum??
Post by: StevenX on December 30, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: stevey5036 on December 30, 2004, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Hopeful on December 31, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
QUOTE(pane2k @ Nov 11 2004, 10:50 PM)
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Post by: xbox_Steve on December 31, 2004, 09:56:00 PM
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today i did all the steps necessary to unban myself from live
new eeprom, new hd, new GT
and everything has been going good for about 1 full day now
my advice is just get a stock hard drive, and get a bios that does not allow booting into xbl (that saved me once already)
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Post by: bgrill27 on January 02, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
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I have a v1.0 box with an Xecuter 2.3 Lite and 120GB HD. I swapped the HDD and installed the mod about a year ago. I tried connecting to Xbox Live for the first time (after the mod and HD installs) and it was unable to connect. No message saying "your console has been modified" appeared. I called tech support and after reading them the error codes they said that my Xbox needed servicing because of an error on their part (remember all that talk of old Xboxes not able to connect to Live?) They even said they would do all repair free of charge. Obviously, I could not send in my modded box for repar, so I bought a new EEPROM. I was able to play Live fine for a long time. When Halo 2 came out I played all the next day and a couple weeks after that. The last time I played was probably early December. I turned on the box to play today and BAM- "Your console has been modified." Well, they probably just started scanning LPC points, because the marriage theory flunks my situation.
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Post by: goosefraba on January 03, 2005, 08:02:00 AM
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Another case that those in the know could use to tie down the new banning trick.
This is my setup:
Xbox 1.3 PAL
HDD: Stock with NO added files
Mod: Xecuter 3
Games: original NFSU2 & Burnout 3
been on Live for about a year (un-modded) so not likely to be flagged.
brand new install, got banned within 24hrs of install.
first got error when connecting from MS Dahboard (with X3 disabled of course)
am using live pass-code, so no accidental connects from within games.
also have X3 feature enables to prevent live connection when X3 enabled.
I would have to guess that only likely snag could have been a LPC "scan".
Lucky for me my original subscription was due to expire anyway, and Live is not worth the £40 for me.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: feet14 on January 03, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
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Post by: xbox_Steve on December 31, 2004, 09:56:00 PM
new eeprom, new hd, new GT
and everything has been going good for about 1 full day now
my advice is just get a stock hard drive, and get a bios that does not allow booting into xbl (that saved me once already)
Post by: bgrill27 on January 02, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
Post by: goosefraba on January 03, 2005, 08:02:00 AM
This is my setup:
Xbox 1.3 PAL
HDD: Stock with NO added files
Mod: Xecuter 3
Games: original NFSU2 & Burnout 3
been on Live for about a year (un-modded) so not likely to be flagged.
brand new install, got banned within 24hrs of install.
first got error when connecting from MS Dahboard (with X3 disabled of course)
am using live pass-code, so no accidental connects from within games.
also have X3 feature enables to prevent live connection when X3 enabled.
I would have to guess that only likely snag could have been a LPC "scan".
Lucky for me my original subscription was due to expire anyway, and Live is not worth the £40 for me.
Post by: feet14 on January 03, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(goosefraba @ Jan 3 2005, 03:33 PM)
Another case that those in the know could use to tie down the new banning trick.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Penguin_BE on January 04, 2005, 04:26:00 AM
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My scary experiance after being banned:
I have a xbox 1.0 and a 1.6
Both softmodded
Stock HD
The 1.0 was already on live.
After softmodded on live for a week, I got banned.
The scary thing was, that all the Settings .XIP files had 0 bytes !
So M$ is checking content of the HDD, and even modifying files.
I'm just wondering is this all could be blocked by a linux firewall?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: senator on January 04, 2005, 04:40:00 AM
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Post by: senator on January 04, 2005, 04:58:00 AM
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You think you will beat M$......
M$ pockets are way deeper than yours.....It will be cheaper in the long run to use an unmodded box...
I assure you in the end they will win !!!!
But I agree atleast go down in
trying hay guys !!!!!!
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Post by: pastudan on January 04, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
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MS looses a large sum of money every time they sell an xbox, just because they make up for it when they sell you a few $50 games. So when you dont buy those games for your new console, they lose. It lookes like they lose either way...
Anyway, on to the reason I posted...
To test out the LCP theory for all those out there with Xecuter 2s...
My theory is that X2 can't get LPC scanned with or without a flagged GT and X3s can , but only with a flagged GT, not without.
Alright, as far as I know I can do the following, WITH a flagged gamertag, and get unbanned:
- I am going to try and replace my eeprom with a new random eeprom, and replace my hard drive with a new random hdd also(not my stock hdd, and not from the same xbox as the eeprom, however, neither has the eeprom been 'married' to a harddrive, nor the harddrive been 'married' to an eeprom). I am going to play with my modchip unplugged for a few days and make sure I don't get banned.
When I feel stable back on XBL for a few days, and know that everything is working & that i'm not getting banned for what I replaced, I think I am going to try and plug my modchip back into the LPC point, leave it disabled, and try using xbox live. Remember now, my Gamertag is flagged so this will most likely proove if XBL is doing LPC points and whether or not it applies to Xecuter 2 chips also or only Xecuter 3 chips - because as I have been going through these forums, I have been noticing a trend that mostly people with X3 seemed to be getting LPC scanned, and this wasnt happening to people with X2.. This is just my theory.
I also believe that there is no Hard Drive scanning taking place. This seems out of the question, but again, I honestly don't know.
If you know that simply doing what I said above (4th paragraph only) will not get me un banned, please tell me before I waste another eeprom, but it seems like it would work to me, as there is no modification that can be seen(no alien files, no married eeprom/hdd, no LPC plugged in)
Also, someone stop me before I sign in with my modchip (plugged back in to the LPCs and disabled), if you are sure that I am wrong about my X2/X3 theory... otherwise i'm going to test it.
Thanks a lot, Dan
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Gumba on January 05, 2005, 08:57:00 AM
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Post by: Penguin_BE on January 04, 2005, 04:26:00 AM
I have a xbox 1.0 and a 1.6
Both softmodded
Stock HD
The 1.0 was already on live.
After softmodded on live for a week, I got banned.
The scary thing was, that all the Settings .XIP files had 0 bytes !
So M$ is checking content of the HDD, and even modifying files.
I'm just wondering is this all could be blocked by a linux firewall?
Post by: senator on January 04, 2005, 04:40:00 AM
Post by: senator on January 04, 2005, 04:58:00 AM
You think you will beat M$......
M$ pockets are way deeper than yours.....It will be cheaper in the long run to use an unmodded box...
I assure you in the end they will win !!!!
But I agree atleast go down in
trying hay guys !!!!!!
Post by: pastudan on January 04, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
QUOTE
And give M$ the joy of winning?
MS looses a large sum of money every time they sell an xbox, just because they make up for it when they sell you a few $50 games. So when you dont buy those games for your new console, they lose. It lookes like they lose either way...
Anyway, on to the reason I posted...
To test out the LCP theory for all those out there with Xecuter 2s...
My theory is that X2 can't get LPC scanned with or without a flagged GT and X3s can , but only with a flagged GT, not without.
Alright, as far as I know I can do the following, WITH a flagged gamertag, and get unbanned:
- I am going to try and replace my eeprom with a new random eeprom, and replace my hard drive with a new random hdd also(not my stock hdd, and not from the same xbox as the eeprom, however, neither has the eeprom been 'married' to a harddrive, nor the harddrive been 'married' to an eeprom). I am going to play with my modchip unplugged for a few days and make sure I don't get banned.
When I feel stable back on XBL for a few days, and know that everything is working & that i'm not getting banned for what I replaced, I think I am going to try and plug my modchip back into the LPC point, leave it disabled, and try using xbox live. Remember now, my Gamertag is flagged so this will most likely proove if XBL is doing LPC points and whether or not it applies to Xecuter 2 chips also or only Xecuter 3 chips - because as I have been going through these forums, I have been noticing a trend that mostly people with X3 seemed to be getting LPC scanned, and this wasnt happening to people with X2.. This is just my theory.
I also believe that there is no Hard Drive scanning taking place. This seems out of the question, but again, I honestly don't know.
If you know that simply doing what I said above (4th paragraph only) will not get me un banned, please tell me before I waste another eeprom, but it seems like it would work to me, as there is no modification that can be seen(no alien files, no married eeprom/hdd, no LPC plugged in)
Also, someone stop me before I sign in with my modchip (plugged back in to the LPCs and disabled), if you are sure that I am wrong about my X2/X3 theory... otherwise i'm going to test it.
Thanks a lot, Dan
Post by: Gumba on January 05, 2005, 08:57:00 AM
QUOTE(pastudan @ Jan 5 2005, 06:26 AM)
MS looses a large sum of money every time they sell an xbox, just because they make up for it when they sell you a few $50 games. So when you dont buy those games for your new console, they lose. It lookes like they lose either way...
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Post by: bmccord on January 05, 2005, 07:07:00 PM
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Dan, I can't wait to see your results! I have been searching for an answer to if this LPC scanning is true or just a rumor. Thanks for taking on the challange.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: mersisblue on January 06, 2005, 05:24:00 AM
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i must admit I havent read the whole thread but
I have been on live for 2 months now with origional HD v1.0 xbox with an xenium ice solderless
I have emulations and apps on my HD
hope this helps
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: magowan on January 06, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
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xecuter 3
v1.4 xbox
seagate 200GB HDD
Locked
i just got live yesterday for the first time on a 2 month trial. i was playing fine all of yesterday. today i turned it on to play and after about 10 minutes i noticed my x3 switch changes to purple (backup). as soon as i saw that i shut the xbox off. lets hope i don't get banned later.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Misfit111 on January 06, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
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This whole topic is very interesting to me, but this completely agrees with how i am getting banned. I was playing on live and i accidently logged into live with a different bios (subconsciously thought i was signing onto live) and i got banned right away. Got a new eeprom, played that night, next morning, banned. Got yet another eeprom, played that night, next morning, banned. This is the reason i have been getting banned. from now on, after i get my eeprom, i guess ill just remove my chip when i wanna play live. either that or a new box, and i just dont have the money for that
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: magowan on January 10, 2005, 08:12:00 AM
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Post by: bmccord on January 05, 2005, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: mersisblue on January 06, 2005, 05:24:00 AM
I have been on live for 2 months now with origional HD v1.0 xbox with an xenium ice solderless
I have emulations and apps on my HD
hope this helps
Post by: magowan on January 06, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
v1.4 xbox
seagate 200GB HDD
Locked
i just got live yesterday for the first time on a 2 month trial. i was playing fine all of yesterday. today i turned it on to play and after about 10 minutes i noticed my x3 switch changes to purple (backup). as soon as i saw that i shut the xbox off. lets hope i don't get banned later.
Post by: Misfit111 on January 06, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: magowan on January 10, 2005, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(magowan @ Jan 6 2005, 11:22 AM)
xecuter 3
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: xbox11334 on January 10, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
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here is my story to help the cause
Have not gotten banned
I have an x2.2 lite + and a 120 gig hd, installed them both at the same time, around a year ago i'd say, then got xbox live after the modchip and hard drive, got halo 2 when it came out and i play it for about an hour or two every night with some friends, i have non-ms files on both c and e drives (i don't think they can scan f so i'm not counting that lol) BUT, i do not have any hacks for games, because somewhere along the line i heard they were scanning for project gotham hacks
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: ppazz13 on January 19, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
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So far I've been playing on XBox Live for over a week now. I haven't been banned yet. I've only been playing Halo 2. I've even accidentally booted up with the chip on and tried to get on Live once. Call me crazy, but it looks to me like the marriage theory with the HDD is accurate. I did all my mods first, then created my account and haven't had a problem. Hope it helps.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Kamakazie on January 19, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
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Added a 40GB hard drive from my old PC, reflashed the EEPROM of the XBox, formatted using Slayers, installing Avalaunch on the F drive and nothing on C/E, registered a new GT and as of last week I am not yet banned again!
HUZZAH!
Putting a couple games on this HD to see if that makes any difference.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: kingnbajam on January 20, 2005, 02:54:00 AM
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Post by: xbox11334 on January 10, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
Have not gotten banned
I have an x2.2 lite + and a 120 gig hd, installed them both at the same time, around a year ago i'd say, then got xbox live after the modchip and hard drive, got halo 2 when it came out and i play it for about an hour or two every night with some friends, i have non-ms files on both c and e drives (i don't think they can scan f so i'm not counting that lol) BUT, i do not have any hacks for games, because somewhere along the line i heard they were scanning for project gotham hacks
Post by: ppazz13 on January 19, 2005, 08:22:00 AM
)So far I've been playing on XBox Live for over a week now. I haven't been banned yet. I've only been playing Halo 2. I've even accidentally booted up with the chip on and tried to get on Live once. Call me crazy, but it looks to me like the marriage theory with the HDD is accurate. I did all my mods first, then created my account and haven't had a problem. Hope it helps.
Post by: Kamakazie on January 19, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
HUZZAH!
Putting a couple games on this HD to see if that makes any difference.
Post by: kingnbajam on January 20, 2005, 02:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Kamakazie @ Jan 20 2005, 06:16 AM)
Added a 40GB hard drive from my old PC, reflashed the EEPROM of the XBox, formatted using Slayers, installing Avalaunch on the F drive and nothing on C/E, registered a new GT and as of last week I am not yet banned again!
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: dyinman on January 20, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
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OK people, enough about this crap.
1. M$ does not scan for anything other than a changed xboxdash.xbe on your hard drive. Period. No debate. If you think you got banned because of alien files, you did something wrong.... that's it.
2. LPC points... whatever. Possibly X3, but they don't for sure anywhere else. Again, if you think you're banned from this, you did something wrong (forget to shut the f***n mod off?)
3. The Eeprom/HDDkey theory is true.... that is, it's true ONLY if you changed your HDD ever since you signed on live, unless you do the account recovery right (mem card, etc). I don't give a crap if you have stock HDD or not, as long as you signed on live after this installation, boot with mods off, and with teh HDD locked, all M$ can tell is that you're just another flippin' xbox live user. If you want to transfer your account after the change, do it right or get banned. That's all there is to it.
Chances of you getting banned because you did something wrong and are stupid enough not to admit it are very high. If you're gonna use the mods, do it right. You fools.
Now all you newbie know-it-alls can stop your griping, stop being idiots with your mods or just buy an xbox for live.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: PacoSuave on January 23, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
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Post by: dyinman on January 20, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
1. M$ does not scan for anything other than a changed xboxdash.xbe on your hard drive. Period. No debate. If you think you got banned because of alien files, you did something wrong.... that's it.
2. LPC points... whatever. Possibly X3, but they don't for sure anywhere else. Again, if you think you're banned from this, you did something wrong (forget to shut the f***n mod off?)
3. The Eeprom/HDDkey theory is true.... that is, it's true ONLY if you changed your HDD ever since you signed on live, unless you do the account recovery right (mem card, etc). I don't give a crap if you have stock HDD or not, as long as you signed on live after this installation, boot with mods off, and with teh HDD locked, all M$ can tell is that you're just another flippin' xbox live user. If you want to transfer your account after the change, do it right or get banned. That's all there is to it.
Chances of you getting banned because you did something wrong and are stupid enough not to admit it are very high. If you're gonna use the mods, do it right. You fools.
Now all you newbie know-it-alls can stop your griping, stop being idiots with your mods or just buy an xbox for live.
Post by: PacoSuave on January 23, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
QUOTE(dyinman @ Jan 20 2005, 11:55 PM)
unless you do the account recovery right (mem card, etc). I don't give a crap if you have stock HDD or not, as long as you signed on live after this installation, boot with mods off, and with teh HDD locked, all M$ can tell is that you're just another flippin' xbox live user.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Sublime Dro on January 24, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
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I have gotten banned recently (2 days ago) which is inconvienent since i just got a brand new bigscreen. Anyways I have a V1.0 xbox with a xecuter 2.3b lite i believe and this is in reply to theories about halo 2.
I have been playing xbox live for about 2 months now, signed up on thanksgiving day and have been playing halo on it for that whole period.
The reason i got banned was no mystery, it was because i was a retard and accidentally signed in with my modchip on.
In addition i had the copy of halo 2 that was leaked on the internet before the release day and was playing that and saving my progress, and all of this was done obviously with my modchip enabled. Those of you who think that they look for the french save files are wrong because i have had these french files on there since day one of me signing onto xbox live. As to reports of halo2 putting a file called nickname.xbn or whatever on your c drive I have no such file. So they couldnt have possibly put that file on my xbox because i would have noticed it and i have been doing all the things that would have made this alleged file appear. I also have all of my stuff like evoxdash.xbe and heck even a porno movie on my c drive. So i dont believe that they are checking the files on your c drive. Also a note though i am using my original hard drive and have not upgraded.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: tiggersbowl1 on January 24, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
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To throw in my info.
Have an xbox with x3, 300 gb drive and on xbox live with no problems yet. Don't think this box has ever been on xbox before, but I bought it used, so I don't know.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Gumba on January 27, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
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What you need to do is get a new EEPROM, and then change your HD before you go on live with the new EEPROM.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: dyinman on January 28, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
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Gumba's right. If you went on LIVE before modding, that means after you install your new HDD, be sure to also install a virgin eeprom (one that has never been on live). You lock your hdd with teh new eeprom, and all is well. Transfer your account.... and money.
Bullshit with other crap theories out there. Won't they ever die?
And yes, there are xbox tools for accomplishing flashing a new eeprom. In fact, to put all this shit to rest, here's what I've done in the past.
Since my xbox hasn't been on live, after softmodding a friend's xbox, and then installing a new HDD (this of course, all after he's been on live already).... I flashed his eeprom with mine, and then continued to lock his hdd using my eeprom. He's been playing halo2 on live ever since, no banning.
Just be careful with your shit.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: CoheednCambria on January 30, 2005, 01:20:00 AM
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Yo, just got a new box with alladin advance chip. I really want to get to Live, but as I can afford another xbox i´m afraid of getting banned.
How can I clean C and E partitions of not MS files?
And how do u know if ur HDD is locked or not and how do u do it?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: DragonPark on February 17, 2005, 12:36:00 AM
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I really dont know about this banning method... Ive had an X3 in my XBox for a few weeks now and have been playing halo 2 habitually and have yet to be banned. Mine is v1.0. It may be that only newer version have this capability, who knows.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Gumba on February 17, 2005, 04:39:00 AM
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Post by: Sublime Dro on January 24, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
I have been playing xbox live for about 2 months now, signed up on thanksgiving day and have been playing halo on it for that whole period.
The reason i got banned was no mystery, it was because i was a retard and accidentally signed in with my modchip on.
In addition i had the copy of halo 2 that was leaked on the internet before the release day and was playing that and saving my progress, and all of this was done obviously with my modchip enabled. Those of you who think that they look for the french save files are wrong because i have had these french files on there since day one of me signing onto xbox live. As to reports of halo2 putting a file called nickname.xbn or whatever on your c drive I have no such file. So they couldnt have possibly put that file on my xbox because i would have noticed it and i have been doing all the things that would have made this alleged file appear. I also have all of my stuff like evoxdash.xbe and heck even a porno movie on my c drive. So i dont believe that they are checking the files on your c drive. Also a note though i am using my original hard drive and have not upgraded.
Post by: tiggersbowl1 on January 24, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
Have an xbox with x3, 300 gb drive and on xbox live with no problems yet. Don't think this box has ever been on xbox before, but I bought it used, so I don't know.
Post by: Gumba on January 27, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: dyinman on January 28, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
Bullshit with other crap theories out there. Won't they ever die?
And yes, there are xbox tools for accomplishing flashing a new eeprom. In fact, to put all this shit to rest, here's what I've done in the past.
Since my xbox hasn't been on live, after softmodding a friend's xbox, and then installing a new HDD (this of course, all after he's been on live already).... I flashed his eeprom with mine, and then continued to lock his hdd using my eeprom. He's been playing halo2 on live ever since, no banning.
Just be careful with your shit.
Post by: CoheednCambria on January 30, 2005, 01:20:00 AM
How can I clean C and E partitions of not MS files?
And how do u know if ur HDD is locked or not and how do u do it?
Post by: DragonPark on February 17, 2005, 12:36:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on February 17, 2005, 04:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Subx @ Jan 31 2005, 12:31 PM)
ok, let me ask u guys something, sorry for being a n00b and all, but my xbox is signed up to live, and i want to install an x3 modchip. i also want to have another hdd, but, if i get another hdd, and format it and stuff, but then get a hdd selector, and switch off the modchip, and switch on the stock hdd, will i still be able to play live??? or will the ban me????? so it would be like playing with a stock xbox, except with the larger hdd turned off, and the modchip turned off. would i still be able to play live???
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: inVinCiBleGaMa on March 01, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
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yea dats wat the whole thing about Marreiage theory was. The EEPRom locks if u put a new HDD in. But the snag is.... if u get banned, u need a new EEPRom AND a new HDD.
trade in ur Xbox for a new 1. AND also sell ur HDD and get a new 1.
damn read the posts on the forum bfore u post.
And if i were u i wud also follow Angerwound's advice and put anything modding-related into the f drive
EDIT: Use ConfigMagic. Its better than Xenium IMO. Either way its nto too much work to get ConfigMagic and install it. I also heard of a few Maxtor drives that dont lock wit Xenium. (found that when i checked my drive lockability xboxdrives.x-pec.com) (If u wanna chk it too.. my drive is Maxtor 160GB ATA133)
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Ozy on March 01, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
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Post by: inVinCiBleGaMa on March 01, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
trade in ur Xbox for a new 1. AND also sell ur HDD and get a new 1.
damn read the posts on the forum bfore u post.
And if i were u i wud also follow Angerwound's advice and put anything modding-related into the f drive
EDIT: Use ConfigMagic. Its better than Xenium IMO. Either way its nto too much work to get ConfigMagic and install it. I also heard of a few Maxtor drives that dont lock wit Xenium. (found that when i checked my drive lockability xboxdrives.x-pec.com) (If u wanna chk it too.. my drive is Maxtor 160GB ATA133)
Post by: Ozy on March 01, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
QUOTE(lorden @ Nov 12 2004, 04:37 PM)
with all the games u guys ripped off, why not buy a refurbed xbox?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: manobano on March 01, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
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MS is fucking gay, if u pay for the retail game and pay for live u shud be able to PLAY on live. it shudnt matter if u have a modchip as long as it is off and u are not cheating/hacking/exploiting.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Gumba on March 02, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
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Post by: manobano on March 01, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on March 02, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(silver2000 @ Mar 1 2005, 06:22 PM)
Got banned a few days ago for the 2nd time. First I sold my old xbox and got a new one. My xbox is stock, only installed the Xenium Ice and bios. I know I'm suppose to get a new eeprom. But I'm seeing a lot people getting new hard drives as well, is this necessary? Mine was clean, never installed apps. The new eeprom should lock it with a new matching serial right? <=Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, can I trust the Xenium OS v2.3 to do this right or should I use ConfigMagic? Any chance I can keep using the same GamerTag? Thanks in advance.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Gumba on March 02, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
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Post by: Gumba on March 02, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(dafuzzbudd @ Nov 12 2004, 08:27 AM)
people have said that when you register a gamertag, that's when the hard drive serial is compared to your eeprom, sooo.. if he just got live (he said specifically he just locked his drive) so live thinks that drive is the original.. the scanning of lpc points seems a little off, but then again i probably dont know what im talking about
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: clouzot on May 06, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
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Post by: clouzot on May 06, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(desertfox1224 @ May 6 2005, 07:40 PM)
I just signed up for XBL like on Monday. With my Small Hard drive. I've had a big one with XBMC, Ava, UIX, etc. What's the file disk.bin? Can you transfer that from your old hdd and put it on your new one somehow to make it have the same 'key' so that XBL wouldn't know and not ban you?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: BjTheClown on August 30, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: prominator on August 30, 2005, 11:02:00 PM
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first we need MS email address
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: BjTheClown on August 31, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
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ok, i e-mailed them this:
"I have been reading articles concerning the banning of certain xbox consoles from Xbox Live for being "modified" (ie. "modchips", "softmods", hard drive upgrades, etc.). How is MS going about this process? How does it detect if a console is "modified"? What types of modifications is it looking for? Any details reguarding this issue would be greatly appreciated."
....and got this in return:
"Thank you for writing to Xbox Live regarding your inquiry about mod chips. We understand that you want to know how can we detect if the user is using an Xbox mod chip or upgraded console. Rest assured that we will do our best to assist you on this concern.
Usually our customer gave us a report / tip when they found out an unusual activity during their Xbox live game. Once they sent a report, we investigate the case immediately since MS does not support modified Xbox hardware. This applies to any use of the Xbox console, regardless of whether you play standard "offline" game titles or play on Xbox Live. Xbox Support cannot help you set up or use a system that you have modified. If you modify your system, you void your warranty. MS will not repair a modified console.
Any mod chip that contains a copy of MS's code is illegal (Piracy). While reverse engineering of game consoles is not a new phenomenon, neither is the fact that we will vigorously prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyone who tries to modify the Xbox for the purpose of violating MS's partners' intellectual property or that of MS's. MS maintains an evolving high-level security system to protect its intellectual property and we see this incident as posing no threat to our customers or to our partners."
Not much help, as expected. But hey, it was worth a shot, i guess. -BjTheClown
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: lordvader129 on November 01, 2005, 04:50:00 PM
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Post by: BjTheClown on August 30, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: prominator on August 30, 2005, 11:02:00 PM
first we need MS email address
Post by: BjTheClown on August 31, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
"I have been reading articles concerning the banning of certain xbox consoles from Xbox Live for being "modified" (ie. "modchips", "softmods", hard drive upgrades, etc.). How is MS going about this process? How does it detect if a console is "modified"? What types of modifications is it looking for? Any details reguarding this issue would be greatly appreciated."
....and got this in return:
"Thank you for writing to Xbox Live regarding your inquiry about mod chips. We understand that you want to know how can we detect if the user is using an Xbox mod chip or upgraded console. Rest assured that we will do our best to assist you on this concern.
Usually our customer gave us a report / tip when they found out an unusual activity during their Xbox live game. Once they sent a report, we investigate the case immediately since MS does not support modified Xbox hardware. This applies to any use of the Xbox console, regardless of whether you play standard "offline" game titles or play on Xbox Live. Xbox Support cannot help you set up or use a system that you have modified. If you modify your system, you void your warranty. MS will not repair a modified console.
Any mod chip that contains a copy of MS's code is illegal (Piracy). While reverse engineering of game consoles is not a new phenomenon, neither is the fact that we will vigorously prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyone who tries to modify the Xbox for the purpose of violating MS's partners' intellectual property or that of MS's. MS maintains an evolving high-level security system to protect its intellectual property and we see this incident as posing no threat to our customers or to our partners."
Not much help, as expected. But hey, it was worth a shot, i guess. -BjTheClown
Post by: lordvader129 on November 01, 2005, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(goldwolf @ Nov 1 2005, 03:54 PM)
I have just softmodded my xbox and have accessed live WITHOUT any mods put onto my HD. I have not been banned as of yet, so if they do scan HD either i was lucky enough not to be found yet or they DO NOT scan HD
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: CrunKMunkY on November 02, 2005, 12:25:00 AM
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how often do they perform this check you suppose? and couldnt you just add a little switch to the 5v line?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: lordvader129 on November 02, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
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Post by: CrunKMunkY on November 02, 2005, 12:25:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on November 02, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
QUOTE(CrunKMunkY @ Nov 2 2005, 12:36 AM)
how often do they perform this check you suppose? and couldnt you just add a little switch to the 5v line?
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: Iloveanime on November 02, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
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I've been online with a softmodded box. I get on everyday and still havn't been banned I have a few xbox games on my hd and some roms etc no origanal dash and I found a way to bypass it. HENSE THE SOFT MOD ROCKS AND CHIPS SUX jk but SOFTMODS ROCK!! better.There are a few ways to avoid getting banned do not make yourself noticed like hacking H2 or anything duh. Some other stuff but I am not sure of it but I do go on h2 been banned from matchmaking for cheating but my name still works and I play everyday with my H2 mods on live. (Custom Games only) Anyway yeap good info if you think about it later.
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Title: Confirmed Method Of Banning
Post by: lordvader129 on November 02, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
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Post by: Iloveanime on November 02, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on November 02, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Iloveanime @ Nov 2 2005, 10:46 PM)
Some other stuff but I am not sure of it but I do go on h2 been banned from matchmaking for cheating but my name still works and I play everyday with my H2 mods on live. (Custom Games only) Anyway yeap good info if you think about it later.