Post by: miggidy on October 06, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
Another IGN typo
I watched Attack of the Show last night and they talked to Cliffy B.
He talked about how excited he was when they (Epic) saw the game finally running on the Xbox 360. He said the game ran beautifully on the finished hardware....
Post by: 82ross on October 06, 2005, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 06, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
1. World Class Developers who really know what they're doing and aren't afraid to explore the benifits of new hardware.
and
2. A game designed from the ground up with the Xbox 360 in mind, and as much time devoted to it as possible.
think about #2 for a minute... what other 360 game is exclusive to that platform and always been exclusive to that platform from day 1?
There arn't many, and the few that are are beautiful... PGR3, DOA4, and the Mystwalker/Q entertainemnt stuff (which honestly we haven't seen much of).
Post by: Ozy on October 06, 2005, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 6 2005, 05:15 PM)
It's really no secret... there are 2 reasons
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Title: The Secret Behind Gow's Graphics
Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
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ofcourse its logical, look at the poster...
:slaps ozy in back of head with a copy of pd zero
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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i wouldnt be confused at all, its a typo. remember he had the game running good on only one core off of the final dev kits in only two weeks. i dont think its possible to have the game running smoothly on one core at one presentation, then requiring a "duel dev kit" only a month later
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 06, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
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even in the off chance that it's not a typo. the game is running on final hardware now and is the best looking it's ever been, so who cares what they were using for a dev kit
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
:slaps ozy in back of head with a copy of pd zero
Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on October 06, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 6 2005, 12:32 PM)
even in the off chance that it's not a typo. the game is running on final hardware now and is the best looking it's ever been, so who cares what they were using for a dev kit
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
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cliffys running around epics offices when they received final hardware tells me they definitely dont need 2, and thats unlike something cliffy would do anyways.
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on October 06, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 01:46 PM)
cliffys running around epics offices when they received final hardware tells me they definitely dont need 2, and thats unlike something cliffy would do anyways.
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Oct 6 2005, 02:03 PM)
i know and i agree, thats why i believe its a typo.
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on October 06, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on October 06, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 6 2005, 02:18 PM)
Wedding, you're the one in denial here.
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
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lol yeah Cliffy B, one of the masters at what he does, is making the game run good only on 2 devkits, and when the game is released, it'll only run half as good.
good fucking grief. how in the fuck can some believe that to be true?
Im assuming the person whos saying shit is the one I cant see.
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Post by: miggidy on October 06, 2005, 01:02:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
good fucking grief. how in the fuck can some believe that to be true?
Im assuming the person whos saying shit is the one I cant see.
Post by: miggidy on October 06, 2005, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Oct 6 2005, 09:05 PM)
What i'm suggesting is that GOW is running on "DUAL DEV KITS". I'm actually not suggesting it, I read it at IGN and I believe them. Why would they lie?
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:06:00 PM
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Miggidy mentions trust...
2 lead men I will always have faith in are Cliffy and Tomonobu. It doesnt get any simpler than that.
My opinions on them shall not waiver.
When Cliffy runs arouns the offices screaming at how powerful it is, thats enough to give me goosebumps.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
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Right on man
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on October 06, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
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ahahaha tell me shit heads....how the fuck are you gonna cluster 2 dev kits togethert on propetairy OS(which probably doesnt support it),and hardware for that matter
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Title: The Secret Behind Gow's Graphics
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 01:06:00 PM
2 lead men I will always have faith in are Cliffy and Tomonobu. It doesnt get any simpler than that.
My opinions on them shall not waiver.
When Cliffy runs arouns the offices screaming at how powerful it is, thats enough to give me goosebumps.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 6 2005, 03:25 PM)
So true, you can base your level of trust on a man's reputation.
Their track record if you may.
It's not just Cliffy or Itagaki, Sony fanboys have Kojima.
Some question whether the MGS4 trailer represents the in game's graphics engine.
Personally it looked very much in game to me, but judging by Kojima's track record I believe he will deliver in terms of graphics at least.
It's the same thing with Cliffy B....
Their track record if you may.
It's not just Cliffy or Itagaki, Sony fanboys have Kojima.
Some question whether the MGS4 trailer represents the in game's graphics engine.
Personally it looked very much in game to me, but judging by Kojima's track record I believe he will deliver in terms of graphics at least.
It's the same thing with Cliffy B....
Right on man
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on October 06, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 06, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Oct 6 2005, 03:32 PM)
ahahaha tell me shit heads....how the fuck are you gonna cluster 2 dev kits togethert on propetairy OS(which probably doesnt support it),and hardware for that matter
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 6 2005, 03:25 PM)
So true, you can base your level of trust on a man's reputation.
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on October 06, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on October 06, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 05:00 PM)
the same Kojima that stated a month or so ago that the 360s architecture is better for making games and is very powerful?
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
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Post by: Foe-hammer on October 06, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
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Post by: Xombe on October 06, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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Foe is on patrol kids, beware
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Post by: incognegro on October 06, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
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Once again wedding shirt has reduced smart men into rambling idiots.......lol
but seriously guys, u know better and he doesnt. Thats all there is to it.
Like i always say, you have the right to your own uneducated opinion
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Post by: OcnewB on October 07, 2005, 03:28:00 AM
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And besides all this, correct me if im wrong, but last i heard was that gow used only 30% of the xbox 360 max capacity, running on only two threads (of the six available) And not using the max capacity of the GPU.
So why would it need two dev kits to run on?
I wanna bet that in the end of this 360 cycle the games will at least look twice as gorgeous. All because of optimized rendering/ advanced shading. In hl2 the walls were for example by using advanced render/shading techniques very low poly but looked super high poly. This will happen when even more advanced modeling emerges coming years. When unr 3 engine looks incredible now.. It will be surpassed by other engines in the next years. And my guess is that the x360 is more than capable of handling it. Because of optimization for the system.
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Post by: OcnewB on October 07, 2005, 03:59:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Oct 6 2005, 03:40 PM)
Post by: Foe-hammer on October 06, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on October 06, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
Post by: Deftech on October 06, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Foe is on patrol kids, beware
Post by: incognegro on October 06, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
Once again wedding shirt has reduced smart men into rambling idiots.......lol
but seriously guys, u know better and he doesnt. Thats all there is to it.
Like i always say, you have the right to your own uneducated opinion
Post by: OcnewB on October 07, 2005, 03:28:00 AM
So why would it need two dev kits to run on?
I wanna bet that in the end of this 360 cycle the games will at least look twice as gorgeous. All because of optimized rendering/ advanced shading. In hl2 the walls were for example by using advanced render/shading techniques very low poly but looked super high poly. This will happen when even more advanced modeling emerges coming years. When unr 3 engine looks incredible now.. It will be surpassed by other engines in the next years. And my guess is that the x360 is more than capable of handling it. Because of optimization for the system.
Post by: OcnewB on October 07, 2005, 03:59:00 AM
QUOTE(rasmithuk @ Oct 7 2005, 11:51 AM)
Just a quick question to the guys that think it might have been running on 2 360 dev kits, do you have any clue what it would take to recode the game engine to do that?
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
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yes, the betas were reportedly around 65 to 75% power compared to the Final.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
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Will this thread just die. I know I get confused about the 360 but wedding-shirt just causes trouble.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Oct 6 2005, 06:45 PM)
And yet another attempt of wedding-shirt to dismiss the 360. He could not explain GoW beauty in the past, but now has blown out of proportion some simple blurt to explain why GoW looks so good on the 360.
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:39:00 AM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
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I dont know but when the MGS4 trailer came out weding said that it was better than anything on the 360 and that is hard to take mainly because it is rendered and doesnt look so great like G.OW.
so sometimes you do sound like a sony fan boy and not a gamer fan..
you are entitled to your opinion but dont crap on games that look nextgen and say that they arent..thats is your opinion but most disagree with you...
when the ps3 comes out and you think the 360 is better i hope you admit it..
as far as the revolution it will surpass the gamecube thats it..IMO
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
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I prefer the DOA girls...or the rumble roses chick's.
I give them a quaylude and they love me tomorrow..(from the movie scarface)
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
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Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Oct 7 2005, 05:48 PM)
Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
so sometimes you do sound like a sony fan boy and not a gamer fan..
you are entitled to your opinion but dont crap on games that look nextgen and say that they arent..thats is your opinion but most disagree with you...
when the ps3 comes out and you think the 360 is better i hope you admit it..
as far as the revolution it will surpass the gamecube thats it..IMO
Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
I give them a quaylude and they love me tomorrow..(from the movie scarface)
Post by: Ozy on October 07, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 7 2005, 06:27 PM)
Blah blah blah, sure Wedding's comments are a bit strange at times but oh well,
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
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hahahaahha
hes on the russsian chick kick again
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Post by: miggidy on October 07, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
hes on the russsian chick kick again
Post by: miggidy on October 07, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 7 2005, 07:39 PM)
hahahaahha
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 7 2005, 01:45 PM)
You know it!
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on October 07, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 7 2005, 01:38 PM)
Oh yeah the DOA girls are on a level of their own but come on now, haven't you ever wondered what it's like to shag a red haired hotty?
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 07, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
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you make some good points but you seem to go out of your way to nitpick and critisize the 360 every chance you get and when you are told or proven otherwise you dont care enough to listen to the fact that a lot of your outlandish remarks are wrong (6800 being faster then R500 for example).
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 07, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
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Post by: KAGE360 on October 07, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on October 07, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 06:05 PM)
so deftones, other than your usual sidestepping, what do you think..
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Oct 7 2005, 01:59 PM)
Typo for sure. Dual dev kits might be the stupidest shit I have ever heard of. I'm sure it was supposed to say dual cores becasue I thought thats what Cliffy was also happy about. He got it running on 2 cores now and it runs much smoother.
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
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Post by: Foe-hammer on October 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on October 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on October 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Oct 7 2005, 06:01 PM)
I don't have a love for any particular console, I just love the games. And to be quite honest, I prefer MS over Sony because of Sony's questionable business practices of the past.
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Post by: ikecomp on October 07, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
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Post by: ikecomp on October 07, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Oct 7 2005, 03:28 PM)
My point is, wait tell the game is at least 50% finished (not 2%) before you have an orgasm over it.
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
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Post by: CattyKid on October 07, 2005, 09:00:00 PM
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Post by: Deftech on October 07, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on October 07, 2005, 09:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 6 2005, 12:22 PM)
:slaps ozy in back of head with a copy of pd zero
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Post by: incognegro on October 08, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
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Post by: Xombe on October 09, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
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Oh, lord....
Post by: incognegro on October 08, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on October 09, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
Oh, lord....