Post by: BigDaddySlappy on March 08, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Anyone have it? If so, how is it? I'm thinking of picking it up but I'm wondering how the graphics have been tuned up from the XBOX/PS2 Versions. I am a bit worried that it will just be mildly touched up much like alot of the sports titles that we're out at launch we're.
Post by: metaldevil on March 08, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=495984
Post by: mathias on March 09, 2006, 04:59:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
if I can't get it by this weekend I'll just forget about it until I can play through a few of the other games I already own.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on March 09, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: tonloc79 on March 09, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on March 09, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: justin_k on March 10, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
This post has been edited by justin_k: Mar 11 2006, 06:42 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on March 10, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
QUOTE(justin_k @ Mar 11 2006, 12:12 AM) 
Put it a few marathon sessions and finished all 169/169 golds + elite rank on all singleplayer missions
DAMN kid... mad props for having the game 3 days... seriously... damn.
Post by: justin_k on March 11, 2006, 01:29:00 AM
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ Mar 11 2006, 06:17 AM) 
DAMN kid... mad props for having the game 3 days... seriously... damn.
I just really love the burnout series. I havn't been able to play my xbox at all since the semester started in January, I think the only time I turned it on was to show my friend Condemned and to download the Full Auto demo. Had a light homework week so I decided to get GRAW and Burnout and play some 360.
Post by: Tito2k6 on March 11, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
Has anyone else noticed the darkness issue?
Also, one little gripe. This super bright daylight shine thing is getting old fast. Need for Speed uses it, Burnout uses it, and GRAW uses it too. I think some developers think the effect makes the game look more realistic. I think it's annoying, and washes out the details. I mean it looks realistic if you just woke up and ran outside looked at the sun for ten seconds and then tried to drive a car.
Post by: Carlo210 on March 11, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
Then again, FOV (field of vision) still isn't being done right in games (if done at all), and it's one of the most important aspects of our human eyes that is overlooked when designing a game. Oh well.
Take my word - when they implement it, it'll work like a video camera's lens, not our eyes focusing onto a certain point.
end rant
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Post by: Tito2k6 on March 11, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Mar 11 2006, 09:17 PM)
I agree. Dynamic Range lighting (bloom effect to the max when going from dark to bright) is so exxagerated that, instead of looking natural, it looks as if you are viewing the game through a camera with a wide iris. My eyes don't get blinded when I walk outside, but my camera does. Sure, our eyes adapt to light, but even when it's bright - we don't notice it as exxagerated as it in in these games. Sure, the light may be really bright when we walk outside, but it just doesn't act right. When you are inside and you walk outside, the lighting difference isn't all that noticeable.
It's exaggerated so much that it's like when someone turns a light on in a room when you were sleeping. It really sucks because it takes away from the detail in the game. I truly don't understand how in the hell these developers can think it looks cool.
Post by: themadman123 on March 11, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: VariableElite on March 11, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Tito2k6 @ Mar 11 2006, 04:01 PM)
It's exaggerated so much that it's like when someone turns a light on in a room when you were sleeping. It really sucks because it takes away from the detail in the game. I truly don't understand how in the hell these developers can think it looks cool.
It's the equivalent of the Bevel and Emboss or Outer Glow effects to noobs of Photoshop. Once they get the hang of it, they'll realize how to use it effectively, instead of sticking it everywhere possible.
Post by: Tito2k6 on March 11, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
QUOTE(VariableElite @ Mar 12 2006, 01:07 AM)
It's the equivalent of the Bevel and Emboss or Outer Glow effects to noobs of Photoshop. Once they get the hang of it, they'll realize how to use it effectively, instead of sticking it everywhere possible.
It reminds me of the early days of lense flare
It's worse though because it takes away from visual spender that both GRAW and Burnout have.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on March 11, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: m_hael on March 11, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
bloom is NOT HDR.. bloom is a technique used to essentially "spread" a highly contrasting light into the darker areas.. much like a streetlamp on a dark night exhibits a noticeable "aura" ... bloom effectively generates that aura.
HDR stands for high dynamic range and whilst it is possible with floating point frame buffers in current gen hardware it is extremely rarely used as using floating point frame buffers effectively halves the fill rate of the hardware. The difference between HDR and none HDR is simply this... normal rendering stores color values in the range of 0..1 HDR stores them in 0..LIMIT where LIMIT is defined by the hardware limitations... this means that lighting can be more accurately stored and thus post effects can act on more accurate source information ergo they are able to be more accurate and mimic some of the more advanced effects we see in real life.
the effect that has been mentioned in this thread is the exiting tunnel bleaching effect used in NFS:MW and PGR3. This is a fudge that uses the bloom effect to mimic HDR radiance techniques.... the most common implementation of bloom uses a cutoff value above which it will treat pixels as "VERY BRIGHT". These very bright pixels are then extracted to a secondary buffer, blurred in many different ways and then overlayed back onto the main screen to achieve the "spread" we see. Now consider this... if normally the "cutoff value" is say 0.9 (luminance) meaning only VERY bright pixels bloom then we wouldn't see much of an effect... bleaching lowers this value immediately to say 0.3 thus blooming almost the entire screen then gradually returns it back to the normal value of 0.9.... this mimics the way the eye accomodates changes in the dynamic range of light it receives.
HDR will one day be standard, bloom will no longer be an "effect" but will be real based on HDR frame buffers... until then its mostly hacks and limited implementations.
that said - bloom & fake HDR are definitely the new lens flare.
Also - someone mentioned FOV... were you refering to the focal length of a camera or the eye not being respected within games?... this technqiue is called Depth of Field and was first used a LONG LONG time ago in a game called "Outcast"... many games use it these days for dramatic effect and to hide LOD effects in the distance. It should however be noted that the reason it isn't used as the eye sees within gameplay on games is because the designer of the game cannot know where you are looking on the screen.
Post by: Tito2k6 on March 12, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
I just hope this gets out of thier system faster than lense flare did!
Post by: hamwbone on March 12, 2006, 10:22:00 PM
here's to someone else that played outcast!!! i thought my packard bell was gona choke playing that game
Post by: Tito2k6 on March 12, 2006, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(hamwbone @ Mar 13 2006, 06:22 AM)
here's to someone else that played outcast!!! i thought my packard bell was gona choke playing that game
Mine didn't but....gurgl....grugl...BUY>>>>DO THESE DEVELOPERS RELIZE THAT NOT EVERYON PLAYS ON EITHER A 60INCH PLASMA OR A 13 INCH RV?
Post by: m_hael on March 12, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
QUOTE(hamwbone @ Mar 12 2006, 09:22 PM)
here's to someone else that played outcast!!! i thought my packard bell was gona choke playing that game
yeah I talked with the programmers for a while, they had to compromise on a LOT of stuff just to get it out... was supposed to be 3D accelerated but Direct3D couldn't do what they wanted to so they bailed.
good game tho..
Post by: hamwbone on March 13, 2006, 02:13:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 13, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
Having played the NFS demo it's the same way... I just don't get how some people prefer that over what we see in PGR3
Post by: LowProfileWurm on March 13, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 13 2006, 09:56 AM)
I just picked up Burnout yesterday, I havn't played it yet (I decided I'm not playing anything but COD2 until I finish it) but I watched my GF play it for a while, I really can't stand the graphics, the color pallet and various visual effects just make your feel like everything is part of a dream sequence or something.
Having played the NFS demo it's the same way... I just don't get how some people prefer that over what we see in PGR3
It's funny you say you can't stand the graphics, because I found PGR3 dull. I guess I don't take racing games that seriously so I enjoy the 'unrealism' of Burnout and NFSMW.
Post by: brooksie48 on March 13, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Mar 13 2006, 11:11 AM)
It's funny you say you can't stand the graphics, because I found PGR3 dull. I guess I don't take racing games that seriously so I enjoy the 'unrealism' of Burnout and NFSMW.
Post by: VinnySem on March 13, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
Comparing the graphics of BR to PGR3, I think the edge goes to PGR3, but I thought the AI and gameplay in PGR3 was horrible, nowhere near as good as Forza on Xbox. I'll have to wait for Forza 2 for a real racing sim. Burnout is the ultimate stress-reliever for gamers! I need to get moving and unlock the Criterion van and really knock some trailers for a loop!
Post by: spinr34 on March 13, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: Dagoth on March 18, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
The handling just doesnt compare to the original xbox version, I'll admit it looks quite nice (especally the paint scrapes on the cars) but it just doesn't do it for me.
And to top it all off, on the second event (the hot lap with the 360 car) it locked my box (but i think thats more an issue with the crappy Hitachi drive my box has - it got so bad I called M$ and they're replacing it for me
) - DOA4 does the same as well.It will probably grow on me the more I play it, but my inital impressions where that of a poorly converted xbox version