Post by: Xbox-Scene on July 22, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
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Post by: Mr.RedRing on July 22, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
However, if they do come out with a blu-ray add-on they've lost me as well as thousands of others. I bought a PS3 for blu-ray, but if the 360 had an add-on I would have purchased that instead...it's far too late.
Post by: cory1492 on July 22, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on July 22, 2009, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Jul 23 2009, 01:07 AM) 
This topic needs to be dropped already. This rumor is so old, and they just keep denying it. Im pretty sure we would have seen an add-on for it by now. If they really wanted to, they would have developed the add-on already.
However, if they do come out with a blu-ray add-on they've lost me as well as thousands of others. I bought a PS3 for blu-ray, but if the 360 had an add-on I would have purchased that instead...it's far too late.
That makes no sense. How can they lose you if they release a BD player add-on? I could understand maybe if it was a prephrial that you would be required to buy in order to play new games (which would still be kinda a bad reason to "leave"), but I refuse to believe that you, or anyone else, will sell their 360 and/or stop playing (at least) the games you already own simply because they may decide to release an add on.
QUOTE(cory1492 @ Jul 23 2009, 01:18 AM)
Wouldn't an add-on be priced as high as a (likely) more capable standalone (or higher, knowing MS and their branding markups on the HDD addons) meaning low sales and thus no reason to produce it due to competing products? Not even mentioning... who really wants to see an RROD just because they were watching a blue ray from an addon when they could have just gotten a standalone.
Well, there are standalone players and even slim laptop drives (read BD, write CD/DVD+/-R/W/DL etc) that are around the $100 mark, so they could theoretically produce a drive around that price point. Perhaps they're certain that the device would sell very well, and they'd lose a lot of the revenue they currently generate via marketplace/netflix.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on July 22, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: Roupus on July 22, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
a waste of money to do the add-on, because everyone who wanted a blu-ray probably already has one by now. I have one and it has collected dust for almost 2 years now, streaming and downloading is soo much better.
Post by: Mr_Milenko on July 22, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: Mr.RedRing on July 22, 2009, 10:22:00 PM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Jul 22 2009, 09:20 PM)
That makes no sense. How can they lose you if they release a BD player add-on? I could understand maybe if it was a prephrial that you would be required to buy in order to play new games (which would still be kinda a bad reason to "leave"), but I refuse to believe that you, or anyone else, will sell their 360 and/or stop playing (at least) the games you already own simply because they may decide to release an add on.
Well, there are standalone players and even slim laptop drives (read BD, write CD/DVD+/-R/W/DL etc) that are around the $100 mark, so they could theoretically produce a drive around that price point. Perhaps they're certain that the device would sell very well, and they'd lose a lot of the revenue they currently generate via marketplace/netflix.
Sorry, that was a bit confusing. I meant that if they were to come out with a blu-ray add-on they would have already lost me before it came out as they waited too long. If they had developed one for the 360 a while back, I would have purchased that instead of a PS3, but one can only wait so long.
Post by: viperware on July 22, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
I don't know who they are fooling with this statement, but the best video quality comes from the least compressed source, where capacity does not hinder the bitrate of the video. Unless they are going to stream you 20GB+ of data, the video quality absolutely will not be higher than that on an HD-DVD or a BluRay Disc. This is fact.
Post by: CollinstheClown on July 23, 2009, 12:23:00 AM
QUOTE(viperware @ Jul 23 2009, 12:50 AM)
"Xbox LIVE will launch digital movies with instant on 1080p HD streaming so you can experience the best video quality with no disc, no download and no delay."
I don't know who they are fooling with this statement, but the best video quality comes from the least compressed source, where capacity does not hinder the bitrate of the video. Unless they are going to stream you 20GB+ of data, the video quality absolutely will not be higher than that on an HD-DVD or a BluRay Disc. This is fact.
Agreed. Not to mention everyone would have to pay for a faster connection, because streaming that high res video would bog down any network. They always talk about the video though, leads me to thik that the audio will be crap quality... I bet they are going to charge for each time you view it too.
I prefer to own a physical copy of something.
-CollinstheClown
Post by: tbb033 on July 23, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(CollinstheClown @ Jul 23 2009, 01:23 AM) 
Agreed. Not to mention everyone would have to pay for a faster connection, because streaming that high res video would bog down any network.
Also not to mention all the ISP's that have been tinkering with capped downloads recently. Or the ones in countries where that's already the norm.
"Oh, the big new hit movie I wanted to see but missed in theaters comes out today, time to do download it in super duper deluxe-o-rama def from MS.... CRAP, I hit my ISP limit for the month halfway through the download, now I can't watch it, why didn't I just take an hour to go to the store and buy it on disc?!?"
Post by: WarriorSan on July 23, 2009, 05:28:00 AM
QUOTE(CollinstheClown @ Jul 23 2009, 08:23 AM)
Agreed. Not to mention everyone would have to pay for a faster connection, because streaming that high res video would bog down any network. They always talk about the video though, leads me to thik that the audio will be crap quality... I bet they are going to charge for each time you view it too.
I prefer to own a physical copy of something.
-CollinstheClown
Yep for streaming 1920 x 1080 / 30 using microsoft VC-1 codec you need at least 15 ~ 20 Mbit/s for good quality..everything below that is more compressed. For almost transparent quality 1080p you need at least 45 Mbit/s...So quality video /sound will suffer.
Post by: BoNg420 on July 23, 2009, 05:36:00 AM
QUOTE(tbb033 @ Jul 23 2009, 04:03 AM)
Also not to mention all the ISP's that have been tinkering with capped downloads recently. Or the ones in countries where that's already the norm.
"Oh, the big new hit movie I wanted to see but missed in theaters comes out today, time to do download it in super duper deluxe-o-rama def from MS.... CRAP, I hit my ISP limit for the month halfway through the download, now I can't watch it, why didn't I just take an hour to go to the store and buy it on disc?!?"
They are capping downloads to prevent people from downloading stuff they shouldn't. I imagine they will probably start losing customers to services who don't cap and then they will change things. If you are with a service where you are in a contract, if you started service and they gave u unlimited download a month and then started capping, you could probably get out of your contract with no penalty to you.
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 23, 2009, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jul 23 2009, 12:36 PM)
They are capping downloads to prevent people from downloading stuff they shouldn't. I imagine they will probably start losing customers to services who don't cap and then they will change things. If you are with a service where you are in a contract, if you started service and they gave u unlimited download a month and then started capping, you could probably get out of your contract with no penalty to you.
Virgin media in the UK caps downloads on their unlimited services, there is a daily threshold and if you break it, no matter what your using your connection for, then the 1/4 your speed for 5 hours.
In any case, uncompressed media from discs will always be greater than media downloaded, always.
Post by: Grumbledock on July 23, 2009, 06:15:00 AM
QUOTE(WarriorSan @ Jul 23 2009, 12:28 PM)
Yep for streaming 1920 x 1080 / 30 using microsoft VC-1 codec you need at least 15 ~ 20 Mbit/s for good quality..everything below that is more compressed. For almost transparent quality 1080p you need at least 45 Mbit/s...So quality video /sound will suffer.
Well, since I've got 100Mbit/s I would have no problems?
Streaming is so much smoother, and easier, even though you can get better quality on a harddrive or a disc, with more space to store the movies, hell, 1080p is not the best you can get and blu-ray will get replaced given time. Streaming maybe only gives 2.1 or 5.1 sound, but it smooth, fast (no 30sec-2min before you can watch your blu-ray disc), it's cheaper than buying and it takes less space in your living room.
I'll probably buy a blu-ray later on, when they are cheap, have all their standards worked out (internet, hdmi 1,3 etc.) and they have a decent quality on all the movies (still too many crappy blu-ray releases). An addon to the 360 with blu-ray support would be to late, to expensive, and of course stupid (license money to sony). I think I'll go with streming from the net or getting a cheap media extender (like twixer or something) tyo watch all those movies in "full quality" XD
Everything better than dvd is av victory according to me
Post by: fbfrost on July 23, 2009, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Grumbledock @ Jul 23 2009, 07:15 AM)
Well, since I've got 100Mbit/s I would have no problems?
Streaming is so much smoother, and easier, even though you can get better quality on a harddrive or a disc, with more space to store the movies, hell, 1080p is not the best you can get and blu-ray will get replaced given time. Streaming maybe only gives 2.1 or 5.1 sound, but it smooth, fast (no 30sec-2min before you can watch your blu-ray disc), it's cheaper than buying and it takes less space in your living room.
I'll probably buy a blu-ray later on, when they are cheap, have all their standards worked out (internet, hdmi 1,3 etc.) and they have a decent quality on all the movies (still too many crappy blu-ray releases). An addon to the 360 with blu-ray support would be to late, to expensive, and of course stupid (license money to sony). I think I'll go with streming from the net or getting a cheap media extender (like twixer or something) tyo watch all those movies in "full quality" XD
Everything better than dvd is av victory according to me
What ISP do you have?? lol
Anyways, Streaming HD Content isn't a good idea IMO, it takes too much bandwith and it pretty much has to be the only thing going on while watching that movie, meaning I can't watch a movie while my roomate plays Counter Strike or something. Plus not to mention I'll bet only 15-20% (If that) of the XBL users actually have the capability of streaming TRUE 1080P video, as others have said.
I honestly think blu ray wouldn't be that expensive to have as an addon for the 360. The only thing that they need to really sell is a Blu Ray drive, with a SATA to USB Converter internally, which you could build for ~$130. They would just have to take the time and incorporate the Xbox to read the format (Obviously). I personally think that if they added blu ray then there would be no specific reason for me to get a PS3, cause that's the only reason I would get one.
I understand that a standalone isn't that expensive nowdays, but I don't like having 10 devices around my television. I like having an all in one type thing, hence I use the Xbox 360's Media Center addition as an HTPC as opposed to having a dedicated HTPC. Sure it has it's pro's and cons, but I want as few devices as possible.
Post by: SpIdErXeN on July 23, 2009, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on July 23, 2009, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(viperware @ Jul 23 2009, 05:50 AM)
"Xbox LIVE will launch digital movies with instant on 1080p HD streaming so you can experience the best video quality with no disc, no download and no delay."
I don't know who they are fooling with this statement, but the best video quality comes from the least compressed source, where capacity does not hinder the bitrate of the video. Unless they are going to stream you 20GB+ of data, the video quality absolutely will not be higher than that on an HD-DVD or a BluRay Disc. This is fact.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people.
QUOTE(fatvince @ Jul 23 2009, 02:17 PM)
Blu Ray is the most non-wow piece of technology ever. It's boring. It's inadequate. It's DRM laden to the teeth. It's from Sony, who brought us Minidiscs and the wonderful software that came with them.
Toshiba should just make the next generation player/recorder.. 250 gigs per layer.. blow Sony right out of the water.
And yes, I have a PS3 and a huge-ass HD TV. And most DVD9's look just as good when upscaled as the Blu Ray counterpart.
Like I said, a very boring piece of technology.
Well, boring as it may be, there's a few things you need to accept. First, Blu-ray technology is credited to Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung, with Sony "spearheading" everything. Secondly, there's already proof-in-concepts of a TB BD, so you'll need more than 400GB discs to "blow it out the water".
Lastly, if you've got a PS3 and a "huge-ass HDTV" and you can't see a difference (or much of one) between an image upscaled from 480i and a 1080p one, then either your eyes suck, or your TV does (many of them do, actually). I'd recommend going to the Best Buy wall and checking out different image qualities, and go from there.
Post by: fbfrost on July 23, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Post by: jerrspud on July 23, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: fbfrost on July 23, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(jerrspud @ Jul 23 2009, 10:11 AM)
all the replies have been focused on movies and so was the M$ statement, but what about the data storage for games? Are we just going to have to rip multiple DVD disks to our hard drive?
Well, the thing is, IF M$ did decide to add blu ray to the xbox, it would be an addon (Most Likely). It would more than likely be just like the HD-DVD addon that only allowed you to use it as a movie player and connects via USB. I don't really see M$ adding blu-ray to the internal of the 360 and allow games to be played on it, because then you're talking about cutting the 360 market in half. Just like Sony talked about with adding the second joystick to the new PSP, it just isn't worth it half way through the product's life.
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 23, 2009, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Jul 23 2009, 03:42 PM)
& that's one of the reasons i would not switch to Virgin Media.
I'm currently with Sky Broadband Max - £10/month for 16mbit (actually get 13mbit) & true Unlimited - i sometimes download over 80GB+/month & Sky don't do anything.
If Sky had a Fiber Optic 20+mbit option, i wouldn't hesitate to sign up for it.
I never actually joined Virgin Media, i was with Telewest Blueyonder when they were bought out, after going from various ADSL services to cable i'll never switch back, but Virgin's increasingly deteriorating services are convincing me otherwise. If there was another decent cable supplier in the UK i'd switch right now, but as for right now Virgin hold a monopoly on the UK's cable services.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Jul 23 2009, 03:42 PM)
Stop drooling & buy a Western Digital Media Player if you want to play MKV on your TV: WDTV Amazon Link
If that had an ethernet connection that'd be awesome, i'd hate having to keep disconnecting and reconnecting an external hard drive between that and my PC to update files.
Post by: Reaper527 on July 23, 2009, 10:39:00 AM
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What happened to Toshiba? The Japanese corporation announced its exit of the HD DVD business and now, a year and half later, it is completely admitting the success of Blu-ray Disc by announcing plans to manufacture and sell Blu-ray Disc players. Toshiba plans to sell Blu-ray Disc players by the end of the year and will consider the production of Blu-ray Disc recorders.
did people expect them to not make optical drives for the next 10 years? i don't see why that would surprise anyone.
Post by: chronno on July 23, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Jul 23 2009, 03:36 PM)
Secondly, there's already proof-in-concepts of a TB BD,
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Jul 23 2009, 03:42 PM)
This is why Microsoft is going digital downloads. The physical media is just going to shift far to quickly for any kind of reasonable marketing. What are all those people with current gen Blu-Ray players going to do when the TBBD disks come out? somehow I can't see a current player that supports a max of 75G playing a disk that now has 1,024G crammed onto it. People aren't just going to jump up and buy another peace of expensive hardware. Same with the TeraDisc.
As for the 1080p thing, I can see why a lot of people don't care. Have you ever gone to Best Buy and looked at their Blu-Ray display with that clip from X-men? It is so sharp that it looks like crap. The human eye naturally blurs images for a reason (depth perception mostly, but there are other reasons). If someone want's something that looks absolutely real than it's going to be a little blurry.
Post by: erexx on July 23, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE
And coming this fall, Xbox LIVE will launch digital movies with instant on 1080p HD streaming so you can experience the best video quality with no disc, no download and no delay. "
Either that's just a really bad quote or M$ still cant lie that well."streaming... with no download and no delay."
Really?
Post by: krawhitham on July 24, 2009, 01:37:00 AM
Post by: Martinchris23 on July 24, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jul 23 2009, 12:36 PM)
They are capping downloads to prevent people from downloading stuff they shouldn't.
That's what they want you to think. The downloads are being capped because Virgin are selling a service that their infrastructure cannot cope with. There's an ever increasing need for high bandwidth streaming from legitimate sites which XL owners will struggle with after a couple of hours. All the main broadcast channels now offer you the ability to watch/stream content from your PC.
Back OT, this is where MS will lose a shedload of customers. Failing to accept the growing need of a HD optical solution in favour of giving their customers the only option to rent their movies.
You're forgetting that MS DID have an optical strategy in place with HD-DVD. How committed they were for it to succeed is something only they know, but they poured millions of dollars into the R&D, Marketing and production. So it failed and now they're saying "We didn't want it in the first place"?
For me, Microsoft's strategy is less about streaming movies being a better solution and more about not wanting to adopt a rival's technology.
Post by: sinister slipknot on July 24, 2009, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jul 24 2009, 08:51 AM)
Microsoft's strategy is less about streaming movies being a better solution and more about not wanting to adopt a rival's technology.
Hit the nail right on the head there. That's all this is about, MS unwilling to accept that for now at least Blu-ray is the way forward, yeah soon enough streaming and/or downloading movies and games will be standard, but right now many internet systems can't cope with it.
Post by: HotKnife420 on July 24, 2009, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(chronno @ Jul 23 2009, 06:00 PM)
This is why Microsoft is going digital downloads. The physical media is just going to shift far to quickly for any kind of reasonable marketing. What are all those people with current gen Blu-Ray players going to do when the TBBD disks come out? somehow I can't see a current player that supports a max of 75G playing a disk that now has 1,024G crammed onto it. People aren't just going to jump up and buy another peace of expensive hardware. Same with the TeraDisc.
As for the 1080p thing, I can see why a lot of people don't care. Have you ever gone to Best Buy and looked at their Blu-Ray display with that clip from X-men? It is so sharp that it looks like crap. The human eye naturally blurs images for a reason (depth perception mostly, but there are other reasons). If someone want's something that looks absolutely real than it's going to be a little blurry.
The Terrabyte Blu-ray discs in development are said to only need a firmware update to work.
Post by: Chancer on July 24, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
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As for the 1080p thing, I can see why a lot of people don't care. Have you ever gone to Best Buy and looked at their Blu-Ray display with that clip from X-men? It is so sharp that it looks like crap. The human eye naturally blurs images for a reason (depth perception mostly, but there are other reasons). If someone want's something that looks absolutely real than it's going to be a little blurry.
Real life doesn't look blurry to me. If the human eye naturally blurs images how come it doesn't blur the Xmen demo in 1080p, making it look "better"?
Who cares about a Blu-ray add on for the 360. MS missed the boat and will not want to admit it by now supporting BR. The lack of BR is hardly likely to dent sales. The sales figures have been that good that it is irrelevant at this stage. Standalones are now sub £99 anyway.
Post by: jdsony on July 24, 2009, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Jul 24 2009, 04:47 PM)
Real life doesn't look blurry to me. If the human eye naturally blurs images how come it doesn't blur the Xmen demo in 1080p, making it look "better"?
haha that's awesome.
I say just start get the old factories going and pump out some more HDDVD drives to please the masses.
Post by: Grumbledock on July 24, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
To little, too late is blu-ray for 360. Most games still is fine on a dvd-dl, and in orst cases yu may need 1 or two more, no big deal. Especially since those games that requires a lot of space mostly is j-rpg, not you're ordinary, mainstream action or rpg-title. Wii sell's like mad and doesn't have blu-ray, Wii2 will probally neither have it..
The next generation of xbox on the other hand, is in dire need for something more than dvd-dl to fit the games. Until 2011-2012 we can cope with one or dvd's, but after that there is no future in using dvd's any more, since games would require such a vast number of discs (still remember those PC-games with 7-9cd's). Blu-ray is one option, a big harddrive and the ability to download games is also possible, but neither practical nor useful for everybody. Blu-ray, hd-dvd, Terrabyte-dvd, memory-sticks, memory cards?
Something bigger than a ordinary dvd is required, or a multilayer-dvd (those are expensive and bad quality too) is required. That's a fact MS knows, and the next generation will show us how they've solved the problem. Blu-ray for this generation would be fun, but not necessary, neither required or worth the money I think.
Media extenders like pocornhour, WD TV or Xtreamer (better then WD, with mkv, subs, .ISO etc) is part of the future. If you rip the movies, or download them (legally) is your choise, you can buy a blu-ray too if you want. But media extenders will always be smoother, faster and give more, the only thing they lack is the ability to get new movies fast, cheap (and legal in most cases).
Post by: Halcyon-X12 on July 24, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on July 24, 2009, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: Grumbledock on July 24, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Halcyon-X12 @ Jul 25 2009, 12:42 AM)
Actually there's a huge difference between blu-rays and DVD. Putting aside the higher resolution and bit-rate to lessen artifacts, the color depth is the most striking difference. You will really need component inputs or HDMI to enjoy this.
On DVDs, colors look muddy and muted. The dynamic range is less, so in dark areas especially, the colors all blend together on DVDs and you can barely see any detail, it just looks like globs of color banding.
I'm sure that color depth suffers on highly compressed videos such as those streamed and stored on 360s and other such services, but it's still probably better than DVDs.
Try switching between an up-scaled DVD and blu-ray on the same HDTV, there's a huge difference.
Someones painting a devil on the wall...
I think dvd is just fine, have had a blast watching my favourite movies for many years without any of those problems, heck, even VHS did a good job back in those days. Sorry to shatter you're dreams, but blu-ray is not superactionjesus when it comes to digital discs, it's just a like dvd, something well use for some years (5-15) before it's replaced with something atleast 5x better. Dvd is great, HD is much better but dvd is still enjoyable to watch (still have some goodis on VHS that hasn't been released in a decent format yet).
Still agree, that blu-ray via usb should be supportet, even if MS don't produce/sell it themselfes. Just adding the support doesn't hurt..
Post by: Halcyon-X12 on July 24, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: Chancer on July 25, 2009, 03:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Halcyon-X12 @ Jul 25 2009, 12:42 AM)
Try switching between an up-scaled DVD and blu-ray on the same HDTV, there's a huge difference.
I completely agree. The difference is night and day.
Post by: spyder2314 on July 25, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: Grumbledock on July 26, 2009, 02:42:00 AM
QUOTE(spyder2314 @ Jul 26 2009, 01:17 AM)
Typical M$ Strategy. Denying the end users options and forcing them to buy merchandise only from them. I don't think many users are going to like being locked into buying movies from marketplace if they want "HD" Quality. Or "almost HD quality." Thats why i refuse to buy a 360, i hate having no options.
As if Sony or Nintendo gives you any other possibility's?
Try and connect a blu-ray to you're Wii, or why not stream a HD-movie to your PS3?
Of course MS isn't so stupid that they let you use a product from a concurrent on their system, it would just be a fatal mistake. Streaming movies in full HD is no problem for me (and most of the people in Sweden, probably rest of Scandinavia to (maybe even most of Europe). The next gen of consoles need something bigger than a dvd, that's true, but blu-ray today would be expensive and unnecessary for lots of reasons.
I prefer a silent, smooth and fast way of watching movies instead of the "new" but painfully slow and limited blu-ray technology. Just because they won the war it seems like improvements for the slow reading of discs, blu-ray online etc. improvements is still far, far away. I'll buy a blu-ray when I get something that does everything I want, and payed for, in a decent time, blu-ray is not yet there. Still, a stand alone blu-ray has more to offer than a console-bundled one (to day at least), and the idea of a cheap 360 would also die with the blu-ray.
Post by: Josheh on February 03, 2020, 02:44:00 AM
QUOTE(spyder2314 @ Jul 26 2009, 01:17 AM)
Typical M$ Strategy. Denying the end users options and forcing them to buy merchandise only from them. I don't think many users are going to like being locked into buying movies from marketplace if they want "HD" Quality. Or "almost HD quality." Thats why i refuse to buy a 360, i hate having no options.
What on earth are you doing on "xbox-scene" If you don't even own a xbox 360 ?
You're probably one of them caveman, big time nerds who lurk around forums and talk shit about the competition consoles, when in fact they are practically the god damn same.
People like spyder2314 make me feel better about my own life, If you have time to do what he's doing you have a problem, Now go back to your Sony forums where we dont have to put up with your shit.
Post by: jhoff80 on July 26, 2009, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jul 24 2009, 04:51 AM)
You're forgetting that MS DID have an optical strategy in place with HD-DVD. How committed they were for it to succeed is something only they know, but they poured millions of dollars into the R&D, Marketing and production. So it failed and now they're saying "We didn't want it in the first place"?
I wouldn't be surprised if the reasoning was that Bluray was going to dominate the market if it wasn't for Microsoft's push for it. By backing HD-DVD, Microsoft helped cause a much longer competition than there would've been otherwise, and the longer the formats were in disarray, the more it'd push consumers to digital downloads from places like XBox Live Marketplace.
Post by: DataBitz on July 27, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: Chancer on July 29, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Josheh @ Jul 26 2009, 10:44 AM)
What on earth are you doing on "xbox-scene" If you don't even own a xbox 360 ?
You're probably one of them caveman, big time nerds who lurk around forums and talk shit about the competition consoles, when in fact they are practically the god damn same.
People like spyder2314 make me feel better about my own life, If you have time to do what he's doing you have a problem, Now go back to your Sony forums where we dont have to put up with your shit.
Owning a 360 is not a requirement to participate in these forums. Don't stir up trouble with character analysis on someone you don't know. He has as much right to an opinion as anyone else and I didn't see him name calling. Seems you don't like to hear an opinion about MS in the negative.