Post by: Xbox-Scene on February 06, 2008, 11:51:00 AM
HD DVD Addon Officially Drops to 130usd Posted by XanTium | February 6 13:15 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: big_boludo on February 06, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: GuTTerCAT on February 06, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
Blu-Ray WTF?
Post by: bucko on February 06, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(big_boludo @ Feb 6 2008, 07:26 PM) 
If only I could sell my HD-DVD drive for that amount. I'd have to pay someone to take it at this point. When will MS produce the Blu-Ray add-on?!
They won't, not until there is a clear winner, I don't see a clear winner yet, I see a lot of studios switching, but that is not a winner yet. This battle will go on for a few more years yet.
I would keep the drive to be honest, I would rather have a losing format buy loads of cheap HD-DVD's then give Blu-Ray lots of royalties.
Post by: hazyspartan on February 06, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: DMAddict on February 06, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: Bandit5317 on February 06, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(hazyspartan @ Feb 6 2008, 03:05 PM) 
best buy online is showing it for 119.99 right now
I'll see your $119.99 and lower it to $79.99 on Amazon RIGHT NOW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) . I just saw the news over at engadget. Does anyone smell a firesale?
EDIT: Nevermind, one day sale. Rats.
This post has been edited by Bandit5317: Feb 6 2008, 09:32 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on February 06, 2008, 01:37:00 PM
i agree the war will be going on for a few more years at least.
Post by: eduardor2k on February 06, 2008, 01:57:00 PM
The only problem, here in Spain the price of the HD-DVD addon is 199€ ~ 278$, what a rip-off.
Someone know where i can buy this player on internet but the shop must be in USA, and they accept sending their products to spain.
This post has been edited by eduardor2k: Feb 6 2008, 10:08 PM
Post by: gsharpshooter on February 06, 2008, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: mduga on February 06, 2008, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: cerealkillajme on February 06, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(mduga @ Feb 6 2008, 04:19 PM)
Do we still get 5 free movies if we buy? If so, that's a great deal! Average price for HDDVD movies are around $20. You get King Kong + 5 others. It's like you're getting the player free in the end. That's only if they are still offering 5 free movies though. Plus if HDDVD doesn't win the format war, then they will probably try and sell HDDVD's cheap to get rid of inventory. I am buying as long as we can still get 5 free movies out of it.
The current 5 free deal: You must have purchased the player by 2/28/08 and you MUST have them postmarked by 3/31/08.
http://g-ecx.images-..._V25941811_.pdf
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 06, 2008, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: karmaboyx on February 06, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: mercury187 on February 06, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(big_boludo @ Feb 6 2008, 12:26 PM)
If only I could sell my HD-DVD drive for that amount. I'd have to pay someone to take it at this point. When will MS produce the Blu-Ray add-on?!
I'll take it off your hands for free!
Post by: Mr Invader on February 06, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: flashfreak on February 06, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Mos_def on February 06, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
... I did a currency converter to U.S with the original price and it was still cheaper than here, talk about profits from the outlet selling them, and I dont think we will see the price drop for some time so I'd say I will be buying online O.S
Post by: Heet on February 06, 2008, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: joemm210 on February 06, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Microsoft needs to add another sku with a built in hd dvd drive or add it to the elite. If amazon can sell the hd dvd drive for 79.99 I am sure microsoft could add it to the system for under 60. I would rather buy a 360 thats 60 dollars more with a built in hd dvd drive so I think they are missing some customers by not at least adding a new sku.
Post by: sabbath_dude on February 06, 2008, 07:26:00 PM
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Post by: NineT9mustang on February 06, 2008, 07:28:00 PM
and hi
Post by: eduardor2k on February 06, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(joemm210 @ Feb 7 2008, 02:48 AM)
Microsoft needs to add another sku with a built in hd dvd drive or add it to the elite. If amazon can sell the hd dvd drive for 79.99 I am sure microsoft could add it to the system for under 60. I would rather buy a 360 thats 60 dollars more with a built in hd dvd drive so I think they are missing some customers by not at least adding a new sku.
For them should be 40 or less.
Post by: m00nstone on February 06, 2008, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: thor99 on February 06, 2008, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Heet @ Feb 7 2008, 02:36 AM)
Blueray won. (ew thats gonna lead to some yelling lol)
lol.. here no yelling... ill take any hd players that the "bluray boys" dont want anymore... funny how when ever somthing is posted thats all bluray boys can say "bluray won".. maybe its just a good deal, that sony cant match because their hardware cost to much to produce, or they are losing to much on the ps3,ect.. and as far as I can tell by amazons live movie sales charts says HD is hanging with bluray ( http://charts.highdefdigest.com/history.as...=100&SPAN=0) , HD sells more players at less profit but gets more consumers thats not bad business nor does it mean a format is dying, the war still has a long way to go..
This post has been edited by thor99: Feb 7 2008, 03:53 AM
Post by: sabbath_dude on February 06, 2008, 07:51:00 PM
QUOTE(m00nstone @ Feb 7 2008, 02:34 AM)
There is absolutely no point in buying an HD-DVD player. I can't think of a single reason. Anyone?
This post has been edited by sabbath_dude: Feb 7 2008, 03:51 AM
Post by: m00nstone on February 06, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: thor99 on February 06, 2008, 08:03:00 PM
QUOTE(m00nstone @ Feb 7 2008, 04:00 AM)
I'd hate to burst your bubble but here goes... they're not dropping the price to save the format, they're dropping the price to clear stock.
and Im sure you dont suport bluray and have concrete evidence to support that claim. Also with all the players that have been selling now, they would have already depleated their stock. toshiba is still making players because retailers keep ordering them, they keep ordering them because they are selling, thats common sense. sounds like you made an opinion that was made as a statement.. "Logically, if they succeed in selling a number of standalone players, that's impossible to ignore. That's going to be a very strong argument in their favor," In other words, studios would almost be forced to pay attention.
This post has been edited by thor99: Feb 7 2008, 04:10 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on February 06, 2008, 08:23:00 PM
QUOTE(DMAddict @ Feb 6 2008, 09:29 PM)
To me this just says they are trying to dump them as the format has lost. I would expect them to be at $79 withing 6 month.
It was this morning at amazon (free 5 offer still applies)...they're out of stock, currently.
Either way, when I can walk into CC and get a standalone 1080p HD-DVD player for $99 (or $149 for the next one up if your local CC is OOS), $129 is overpriced for a unit that's inferior and requires a Xbox 360 to run.
Whenever I can grab one for a dirt cheap price, I'll probably do it as HD-DVDs are dropping in price. Wouldn't mind grabbing a few.
This post has been edited by HotKnife420: Feb 7 2008, 04:26 AM
Post by: m00nstone on February 06, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(thor99 @ Feb 7 2008, 04:03 AM)
and Im sure you dont suport bluray and have concrete evidence to support that claim. Also with all the players that have been selling now, they would have already depleated their stock. toshiba is still making players because retailers keep ordering them, they keep ordering them because they are selling, thats common sense. sounds like you made an opinion that was made as a statement.. "Logically, if they succeed in selling a number of standalone players, that's impossible to ignore. That's going to be a very strong argument in their favor," In other words, studios would almost be forced to pay attention.
I don't care which format wins. It really doesn't matter. However, I will eventually buy the winner. It just so happens the winning format is Blu-ray.
Post by: cerealkillajme on February 06, 2008, 07:59:00 PM
QUOTE(m00nstone @ Feb 6 2008, 09:34 PM)
There is absolutely no point in buying an HD-DVD player. I can't think of a single reason. Anyone?
As sabbath_dude pointed out, price is one reason. There are still plenty of exclusives for HD-DVD that may take a long time before you see them on Blu-Ray. The only big ones Warner had were "Batman Begins" and "The Matrix Series", but Paramount and Universal are still Red and have "The Bourne Trilogy", "Transformers", "Zodiac", "Hot Fuzz", and the list goes on, not to mention "American Gangster" and "Beowulf" are coming out this month and are HD-DVD exclusive. Even if/when the last red studios go blu, it could take another year or two before you see a lot of them remade.
I bought my 2nd HD-DVD player yesterday along with another 23 movies
Post by: thor99 on February 06, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
QUOTE(m00nstone @ Feb 7 2008, 04:29 AM)
I don't care which format wins. It really doesn't matter. However, I will eventually buy the winner. It just so happens the winning format is Blu-ray.
bluray just has the most studios right now, but HD is starting to really move the standalone players and getting them into consumer hands.. right now bluray dose not even have 1 player in the top100 electronics sold on amazon, and hd has 2.. most bluray owners are ps3 owners.. there is already enough wear and tear on ps3 drives by playing games and alot of people wont want to stress it more by watching movies on it.. I wont even get the 360 addon for this reason why put more stress on my game system to watch movies by having it run and getting hot for when Im not even playing it, Thats why I bought a stand alone player.. If my 360 dies because of game play, then I can still watch movies.. but ps3 owners, well they lost their $400+ game/movie player.. Ill just pick up another player for $100 or another cheap 360 and move my HD over to the new one.. Drives have moving parts and moving parts wear out the more they are used... a new ps3= another $400+ and if they want a stand alone so the drive wont wear out as fast well add another $300 or $400 to that...
Post by: joemm210 on February 06, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
1: The cheapest blu-ray player is still 400 dollars and I dont think 400 dollars is worth viewing HD content on a disc.
2: To me If I did buy the 400 dollar blu-ray player or the 150 dollar HD DVD player, both buys should only be considered a 2 year investment because your first or second gen system is going to be outdated and your going to want to upgrade to a newer and half priced model in under 2 years.
Using the above logic, for me I dont buy too many movies per year maybe 2 or 3, and I usually wait for a sale to buy the movie so say I bought 6 HD DVD movies at 20 each 120 dollars, if HD DVD fails I would be out 120 for the obsolete movie collection + system cost of 150 so a total of 270 dollars, if I bought blu-ray right now in 2 years time I would be out only the system cost (considering blu-ray is going to win) but thats still more at 400 dollars. I know its scewed up logic but it still works!
Post by: thor99 on February 06, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
QUOTE(joemm210 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:21 AM)
right now blu-ray has the most studio support, and I wouldnt buy blu-ray or HD DVD right now but if I had to I would still go with HD DVD for the following reasons:
1: The cheapest blu-ray player is still 400 dollars and I dont think 400 dollars is worth viewing HD content on a disc.
2: To me If I did buy the 400 dollar blu-ray player or the 150 dollar HD DVD player, both buys should only be considered a 2 year investment because your first or second gen system is going to be outdated and your going to want to upgrade to a newer and half priced model in under 2 years.
Using the above logic, for me I dont buy too many movies per year maybe 2 or 3, and I usually wait for a sale to buy the movie so say I bought 6 HD DVD movies at 20 each 120 dollars, if HD DVD fails I would be out 120 for the obsolete movie collection + system cost of 150 so a total of 270 dollars, if I bought blu-ray right now in 2 years time I would be out only the system cost (considering blu-ray is going to win) but thats still more at 400 dollars. I know its scewed up logic but it still works!
no.. your logic is fine.. I own HD-DVD and still buy Standard Dvds, and just upscale most movies with the HD player. With the exception of the ones I really,really like.. like 300.. but I got that one free and I would have bought it anyway..
Post by: englishnamja on February 06, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
1 if the is free movies included when you buy it...
2 eventually we can burn our own HD DVD movies on disks and then play them in the xbox player.
3. if the format fails so many cheap movie releases on HD-DVD.
Post by: HughDaHand on February 06, 2008, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on February 06, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
QUOTE(joemm210 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:21 AM)
right now blu-ray has the most studio support, and I wouldnt buy blu-ray or HD DVD right now but if I had to I would still go with HD DVD for the following reasons:
1: The cheapest blu-ray player is still 400 dollars and I dont think 400 dollars is worth viewing HD content on a disc.
Don't forget that Best Buy has had at least 1 (3 last time I checked) HDTV that comes with a PS3 or a Blu Ray player. Many people who are upgrading their TV are getting a Blu Ray player with it (not all, just saying they're pushing).
With all these HD-DVD clearance deals going on, however, they could pull the biggest 'underdog' move ever and get all the studios to jump back/to HD-DVD with a vastly superior installed base. We'll see.
Post by: dmitri on February 07, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
Anyway.. it's a short lived victory. Disc distribution is dead or dying.
You can download from XBL or iTunes for 1/5th to 1/10th the cost of buying. I used to think "look at my cool 200 DVD collection" but there's really no point..
Post by: metalcoat on February 07, 2008, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: Flagg3 on February 07, 2008, 01:45:00 AM
QUOTE(thor99 @ Feb 6 2008, 10:03 PM)
and Im sure you dont suport bluray and have concrete evidence to support that claim. Also with all the players that have been selling now, they would have already depleated their stock. toshiba is still making players because retailers keep ordering them, they keep ordering them because they are selling, thats common sense. sounds like you made an opinion that was made as a statement.. "Logically, if they succeed in selling a number of standalone players, that's impossible to ignore. That's going to be a very strong argument in their favor," In other words, studios would almost be forced to pay attention.
Except for the fact that Toshiba and Microsoft can't afford to manufacture and sell them at these prices. They are taking huge losses on the hardware, and the studios are well aware that they are only selling at these prices because they are being cleared out.
That said, I would have picked one up from Amazon at that price if I didn't already own one. For $79 you get 6 HD-DVD movies, plus there are plenty of HD-DVD movies already produced that will start going on clearance soon, so it's still a good bargain to have at this price even knowing that the format will be dead within a year.
Post by: joemm210 on February 07, 2008, 02:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Feb 7 2008, 10:21 AM)
Except for the fact that Toshiba and Microsoft can't afford to manufacture and sell them at these prices. They are taking huge losses on the hardware, and the studios are well aware that they are only selling at these prices because they are being cleared out.
That said, I would have picked one up from Amazon at that price if I didn't already own one. For $79 you get 6 HD-DVD movies, plus there are plenty of HD-DVD movies already produced that will start going on clearance soon, so it's still a good bargain to have at this price even knowing that the format will be dead within a year.
We are assuming they are taking a big loss, I have seen no report on what they are taking for a loss or if they are taking any lose at all. It would be nice to see if anyone has a report on what Toshiba is paying for the main parts that make up their players.
Post by: bigpoohead on February 07, 2008, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Feb 7 2008, 04:35 AM)
As sabbath_dude pointed out, price is one reason. There are still plenty of exclusives for HD-DVD ....
Also these 'exclusives' on bluray usually only apply to america. As these 'exclusives' are distributed by different publishers in the rest of the world, who usually are not exclusive to the same format as in america, you can just import the movie you want on HDDVD that is 'exclusive' on blu-ray. The same applies to bluray, a HDDVD 'exclusive' in america is probably on bluray in europe, but the only difference is, you will unlikely be able to play the imported bluray disc on your player (unless you import a player also) due to region coding, unlike hddvd.
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 07, 2008, 03:02:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 07, 2008, 03:05:00 AM
QUOTE(thor99 @ Feb 7 2008, 03:03 AM)
and Im sure you dont suport bluray and have concrete evidence to support that claim. Also with all the players that have been selling now, they would have already depleated their stock. toshiba is still making players because retailers keep ordering them, they keep ordering them because they are selling, thats common sense. sounds like you made an opinion that was made as a statement.. "Logically, if they succeed in selling a number of standalone players, that's impossible to ignore. That's going to be a very strong argument in their favor," In other words, studios would almost be forced to pay attention.
It doesn't need evidence or a genius to figure out why the price has been dropped. It follows hot on the heels of a decision by a major movie studio to go Blu-Ray only.
Where are your links to production figures or statements from Toshiba on their manufacturing plans for HD-DVD in the future or was your opinion that they are still going to keep making them just something you assumed and turned into a statement? The higher previous costs could easily mean massive over production and stocks which now need to be cleared. You don't really think they produce stock based on week by week orders from suppliers. Toshiba are not making CRT based large screen Tv sets but I can still put through a trade order for one and receive a new one. they are not producing one for my demand it is coming from stock.
Now I am not saying the current prices are not good deals. They are worthwhile just for the films that are out now. Indeed I have one on order (Standalone), but I am realistic enough to know why the prices have suddenly crashed
QUOTE(bigpoohead @ Feb 7 2008, 10:25 AM)
Also these 'exclusives' on bluray usually only apply to america. As these 'exclusives' are distributed by different publishers in the rest of the world, who usually are not exclusive to the same format as in america, you can just import the movie you want on HDDVD that is 'exclusive' on blu-ray. The same applies to bluray, a HDDVD 'exclusive' in america is probably on bluray in europe, but the only difference is, you will unlikely be able to play the imported bluray disc on your player (unless you import a player also) due to region coding, unlike hddvd.
I don't really follow correctly so may be wrong here but a film on either format released by a Studio supporting only one of the formats is not available on it's opposite format in any country.
It sounds like you are saying a BR exclusive in one country is published in another format (HD-DVD) in a different country . Not true.
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THERE ARE NO STANDALONE BLU-RAY PLAYERS IN THE TOP 100
Only because of the ridiculous way standalone is being classified. The PS3 is a standalone player and indeed was bought as such by many people. The correct analogy would be it is not exclusively a Blu Ray player
Post by: bigpoohead on February 07, 2008, 03:39:00 AM
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I don't really follow correctly so may be wrong here but a film on either format released by a Studio supporting only one of the formats is not available on it's opposite format in any country.
It sounds like you are saying a BR exclusive in one country is published in another format (HD-DVD) in a different country . Not true.
It sounds like you are saying a BR exclusive in one country is published in another format (HD-DVD) in a different country . Not true.
Sorry but you are wrong, lets take bruce almight as an example, its a universal studios film, exclusive to HD-DVD in america, not available on bru-ray (Amazon) in america, but its distributed by buena vista in europe, who is a blu-ray exclusive over here, so is on blu-ray or on HDDVD on import from america from Amazon
Edit: A link to an article about this very thing.
Post by: W3bD3vil on February 07, 2008, 05:01:00 AM
QUOTE(bigpoohead @ Feb 7 2008, 11:15 AM) 
Edit: A http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/blu-rays-dirty-little-secret to an article about this very thing.
Very interesting article, a very very strong arguement for HDDVD. I must admit i have a player for both formats but i prefer the HDDVD format but i do buy bluray dvds aswell. I personally hope HDDVD wins, bluray is fine for gaming but that article has convinced me that the production costs of switching to bluray as opposed to HDDVD are insane. Any company that understands the situation and still insists on BluRay deserve to go bust. Its simple maths, $150,000 for an upgrade to HD format or $2,000,000 to reinvent the wheel!!! come on!!!!
Post by: Flagg3 on February 07, 2008, 04:36:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:38 AM)
@Flagg, According to whom? High Def sales combined make up less than 2% of the total home entertainment industry. To declare a winner from HD-DVD or Blu-Ray at this point is just plain dumb.
Not really. Except for the two studios that are required by contract to support HD-DVD for another year, every other studio has gone Blu-Ray exclusive. It's pretty much a given that Paramount and Dreamworks will follow suit as soon as they are able to.
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:38 AM)
Furthermore if you take a look at amazon.com's best sellers list right now it is pretty telling. The 360 HD-DVD add-on is currently outselling both models of PS3 (ranked #1 in that category). In electronics the Toshiba A3 is currently ranked number 14 and the flagship A35 is ranked in the 60s somewhere. THERE ARE NO STANDALONE BLU-RAY PLAYERS IN THE TOP 100 and they rarely ever show up there. The Toshiba A3 is also the best selling high-def player at Best Buy.
This is no big shock. The Xbox HD-DVD add-on was dumped at $79.99 with 6 free movies. How could it not sell at that price? The Toshiba A3 is similarly discounted. That's what happens when something is sold at clearance prices - it clears out.
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:38 AM)
Bottom line is that movie studios can flip-flop at the slightest increase in cash flow.
They could, but they won't. The studios chose blu-ray for a reason, it wasn't because blu-ray was slightly ahead, it was because the studios believed that ultimately blu-ray would win the war, and by choosing sides they can hasten the end of the format war. The studios desperately want the format war to end, because the biggest reason that people are reluctant to buy a HD player is that a format war causes people to stand back and wait for fear of picking the next betamax. There would be no benefit to a studio flip flopping now, as it would cause even more customer confusion, which is exactly what the studios don't want. I know you don't want to believe it, but I don't care how many HD-DVD players Toshiba sells in the next few months, no studios will be switching back. You may not be aware that Toshiba offered large sums of money to several studios, including Warner to go HD-DVD exclusive. The fact that they chose to back Blu-ray exclusively for no money should show you how much the studios are interested in ending the format war.
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:38 AM)
Furthermore if you want to talk about selling things at a loss let's have a look at the PS3 which is being sold at an average loss of $125 a unit. I can guarantee you that neither the 360 add-on, nor the Toshiba standalones are being sold at more of a loss than that.
You'd be surprised at how much of a loss Toshiba is taking on the hardware. The models being sold for around $120 are almost certainly being sold at more than a $125 per unit loss. Yes, the PS3 has been sold at similar and even larger losses, but that's because video game machines work on a completely different business model. They are almost always sold at a loss because the royalties from game licensing are very large (Fees can be $20 or more per disc), whereas royalties for a consumer format like HD-DVD or Blu-ray are only pennies per disc. It's simply not a sustainable business model to continually sell HD-DVD hardware at such a large loss, and Toshiba simply does not have the capital to sell millions of units at that kind of loss, whereas Sony can and will sell millions of PS3s at a similar hardware loss.
Post by: ekruob on February 07, 2008, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 08:41 PM)
I don't really follow correctly so may be wrong here but a film on either format released by a Studio supporting only one of the formats is not available on it's opposite format in any country.
It sounds like you are saying a BR exclusive in one country is published in another format (HD-DVD) in a different country . Not true.
Total Recall, Basic Instinct, Terminator 2 ,
Rambo, Rambo II, and Rambo III are all Blu-ray Disc exclusive in the US... whereas they are all HD DVD exclusives in Australia!
There are many many more in Europe (mainly from German, French and Dutch studios), and most of the releases include English soundtracks - the only down side is that the menus are usually not in English.
Post by: Flagg3 on February 07, 2008, 04:53:00 AM
QUOTE(bigpoohead @ Feb 7 2008, 06:15 AM)
Sorry but you are wrong, lets take bruce almight as an example, its a universal studios film, exclusive to HD-DVD in america, not available on bru-ray (Amazon) in america, but its distributed by buena vista in europe, who is a blu-ray exclusive over here, so is on blu-ray or on HDDVD on import from america from Amazon
Edit: A link to an article about this very thing.
That article is from September, and it was true at the time. However, Warner will definitely be stopping production of HD-DVD movies after April for all regions, and I don't believe that any BD exclusive studios are producing HD-DVD movies in any region anymore. Amazon.co.uk turns up no movies from BD studios produced in 2008.
Post by: bigpoohead on February 07, 2008, 05:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Feb 7 2008, 01:29 PM)
..I don't believe that any BD exclusive studios are producing HD-DVD movies in any region anymore. Amazon.co.uk turns up no movies from BD studios produced in 2008.
Like The Invasion in the UK on HD-DVD released in march, by warner.
Post by: Chancer on February 07, 2008, 05:34:00 AM
As in the example given re- Warner.
I am in no doubt there are movies available now in both formats, that have already been released. There are bound to be as some studios were in support of both formats.
If I follow correctly you are telling me that for example future Warner (or any single format supporting studio) films will still produce and sell movies in other regions on a format they officially do not support.
Sorry I still don't follow. I am going to re-read the article again.
QUOTE(bigpoohead @ Feb 7 2008, 01:02 PM)
Warner is dual format until the beginning of May.
As are some of the others I just checked. at the time of release these studios were supporting both camps.
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
I don't really follow correctly so may be wrong here but a film on either format released by a Studio supporting only one of the formats is not available on it's opposite format in any country.
From the article
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what might appear to be independent studio is often a front company for a major... back catalogs are not always owned by the original production studio even if they are still in business
It would seem the reason is down to original ownership of the film.
I misunderstood your post and thought you were referencing releases actually made and owned by single format supporting studios. I think I understand correctly now (probably not)
Post by: bigpoohead on February 07, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 02:10 PM)
If I follow correctly you are telling me that for example future Warner (or any single format supporting studio) films will still produce and sell movies in other regions on a format they officially do not support.
Correct.
An example of a warner movie, after may, Twister, will be released on HD-DVD on the 17th of May.
Also take my pervious Bruce Almight example, a universal studio production, thus HD-DVD exclusive, is available on Blu-ray in europe and on HD-DVD on import from the US. This is because european studios own the rights to distribute the movies produced, and can release them on what ever format they have chosen. Warner may be exclusive in the US after may, but a studio/distributor over in another country may have distribution rights to it and be HD-DVD exclusive or format neutral.
Post by: ekruob on February 07, 2008, 06:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 11:10 PM)
Warner is dual format until the beginning of May.
May 31st I believe it was originally - and has since been extended to mid-June I think you will find.
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 11:10 PM)
I don't really follow correctly so may be wrong here but a film on either format released by a Studio supporting only one of the formats is not available on it's opposite format in any country.
Due to this factor, and despite the Warner defection, the ratio of Blu-ray Disc titles to HD DVD titles sits currently at about 500 : 450.
Post by: Chancer on February 07, 2008, 06:16:00 AM
That being the case then why is everyone claiming it matters which side of the fence a Studio comes down on.
It would mean another country could still distribute future films on HD DVD.
So I can still find a country that will release warner films after May on HD DVD and simply import them?
Post by: bigpoohead on February 07, 2008, 07:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 7 2008, 02:52 PM)
Yes I see what you are meaning.
That being the case then why is everyone claiming it matters which side of the fence a Studio comes down on.
It would mean another country could still distribute future films on HD DVD.
So I can still find a country that will release warner films after May on HD DVD and simply import them?
Yes you can.
The reason people are probably complaining are for 3 reasons (mostly due to the first).
First, due to the way it is being portrayed in the media, because of who the vast majority of the large publications are owned by, people think that these exclusives will actually be exclusive all over the world, where as they likely will not, and likely because of this some shops have also decided to stop selling HD-DVD.
Second, there is the covenience of purchasing, finding and importing is harder than just going to your usual shop and buying or renting.
Third, there is the actual discs, if you import one, you may end up with menus not in your own language, I would think that you would want it in your own language.
Edit:
Also the importing of movies is less of a problem for HD-DVD, it being region free, but for blu-ray owners, if they live in a country that a movie they want in on only HD-DVD they will have a harder time playing a imported movie, they will have to hope that they can find a region free version of it or buy another region player.
Also the smaller publications probably take the press releases and other publications about the exclusives at face value, like the public will/probably has done, and write about it in that view, which is a bending of the truth, as the studios can only guarantee the exclusive distribution in the US.
Post by: eduardor2k on February 07, 2008, 07:52:00 AM
PS: I know HD-DVD is region free
Update: Found-it: http://en.wikipedia....ay#Region_codes
You can import HD-DVD titles, but yo can't do the same for Blu-Ray (Update 2: Quote from wikipedia: As of early 2008, about two-thirds of all released discs were region-free)
Post by: bucky007 on February 07, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: briguymaine on February 07, 2008, 08:34:00 AM
QUOTE(karmaboyx @ Feb 7 2008, 12:22 AM)
$79.99 at amazon.com
hows about a linky?
Post by: eduardor2k on February 07, 2008, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(briguymaine @ Feb 7 2008, 05:10 PM)
hows about a linky?
i've checked amazon dot com, and the cheapest HD-DVD addon is 100 bucks, even if the search page, says it's 79$.
http://www.amazon.co...ef=pd_rhf_p_t_1
Post by: celinedrules on February 07, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(karmaboyx @ Feb 6 2008, 04:22 PM)
$79.99 at amazon.com
Um I just checked Amazon.com and the price is $155.67.
http://www.amazon.co...y...1537&sr=8-1
Post by: HotKnife420 on February 07, 2008, 10:18:00 AM
QUOTE(dmitri @ Feb 7 2008, 08:02 AM)
You can download from XBL or iTunes for 1/5th to 1/10th the cost of buying. I used to think "look at my cool 200 DVD collection" but there's really no point..
Takes too long. I can download at 775 KB/s, and while that's great for iTunes, it's not that great for movies. Generally, when I get a movie, I'm excited about it, and can't wait to watch it (except when I didn't have my HDTV yet, and I was forcing myself to wait). Anyway, if I run into Best Buy or Blockbuster or wherever, I want to take my shit home. If I bought it, I'd like to keep it so I can watch again (not to mention language options, special features, and other items that aren't included in digital downloads).
We're still a ways off from that happening.
Post by: iwannadie on February 07, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: cerealkillajme on February 07, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
BTW BestBuy is selling it for $119
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1158321865239
Post by: triple_h on February 07, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: Flagg3 on February 07, 2008, 05:26:00 PM
QUOTE(bigpoohead @ Feb 7 2008, 08:02 AM)
Except for the fact that you conveniently unquoted the part where I said that Warner will stop producing HD-DVD movies in April. The Invasion is coming out in March.
Post by: trey85stang on February 07, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: bigpoohead on February 08, 2008, 12:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Feb 8 2008, 02:02 AM)
Except for the fact that you conveniently unquoted the part where I said that Warner will stop producing HD-DVD movies in April. The Invasion is coming out in March.
Except you conveniently missed out my next post showing a Warner HD-DVD released on May 17th
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 08, 2008, 02:40:00 AM
QUOTE(triple_h @ Feb 8 2008, 01:02 AM)
blueray is winning. (according news) ms is cleaning stock. if you got hd, just sell it on ebay. befort too late!
Yes, news such as the digital bits, hollywoodreporter and Blu-Ray.com. None of which are known to be biased towards Blu-Ray at all (insert sarcasm here). Many of the sites that spread that kind of info are using quotes from them. Incidentally the HD-DVD add-on is now $120 at amazon.
Post by: tummybanana on February 08, 2008, 06:30:00 AM
QUOTE(triple_h @ Feb 8 2008, 12:02 AM)
blueray is winning. (according news) ms is cleaning stock. if you got hd, just sell it on ebay. befort too late!
blu ray is buying the market, not winning it, the bda saw the strong pre xmas figures for hd dvd hardware and software and got very worried, cant find a link but it seems warner had actually chose to go hd dvd, bda made them 2 offers which warner refused but took the 500 mill one.
Post by: Chancer on February 08, 2008, 08:57:00 AM
QUOTE(tummybanana @ Feb 8 2008, 01:30 PM)
blu ray is buying the market, not winning it, the bda saw the strong pre xmas figures for hd dvd hardware and software and got very worried, cant find a link but it seems warner had actually chose to go hd dvd, bda made them 2 offers which warner refused but took the 500 mill one.
Which is no different to the bribery articles reported earlier on but on the HD DVD side.
Post by: mksoftware on February 08, 2008, 09:36:00 AM
The availabilty of HD DVD discs is rediculous here, many stores don't even sell HD-DVD Players and promote Blu-ray instead.
Maybe over there the availability is way better as here, but as far as I know the market industry here already made a choice.
Even the news talked about it, a sales manager said it was 1 HD DVD on 10 Blu-Ray discs.
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on February 08, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 08, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: Anubis-MG on February 11, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
So while every ones out buying the same movies I am and paying $30-$120.00 for blu-ray disc's I will be buying the same movies for $5-$25.00 on HD-DVD.
Hell this weekend I just bought another Xbox360 HD-DVD drive from amazon with the 6 free movie deal for 120.00 shipped to my house.
I think I will even buy several more of these drives with the 6 free movie deals just for the fact that these will be collector items in the near future.
Plus it will add to my ever growing collection.
Not to mention that they upconvert your standard dvds to HD-DVD status so I dont see what every bodies bitching about.
Most of you are wanting to rebuy something you already have so dont sell your stuff just keep it.
I mean come on there are like 200-400 HD-DVD's out right now if not more.
Thats plenty enough for me to be happy with and quite impressive to all my family and friends.
Really guys how many movies do you guys have to have??
Dont get me wrong I do Have a ps3 for blu-ray movies too but I only buy Absolute Must have movies for it and would much rather buy HD-DVD's.
Doesnt that seem logical to you guys or am I just F-ing nuts?
Post by: dbrinch on February 11, 2008, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: rob61 on February 11, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
HD-DVD is not going to survive as a movie viewing format. Sony (Blu-Ray) won this one. Glad I hung onto my PS3.
Post by: Heet on February 17, 2008, 02:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Feb 6 2008, 08:36 PM)
Blueray won. (ew thats gonna lead to some yelling lol)
Its official
