Post by: Xbox-Scene on September 05, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
Stream Video from XP to Xbox 360 with WMP 11? (not yet, maybe this fall) Posted by XanTium | September 5 12:28 EST |
| Windows Media Player 11 beta2 is now available and this is what the Microsoft PR writes as one of the new features: "If you have a home network (wired or wireless), you can use Windows Media Player 11 to stream the contents of your library to networked devices. For example, if you have an Xbox 360 or other digital media receiver (DMR), you can use Windows Media Player to stream music, pictures, and videos from your computer to that device." Sounds great ... will Microsoft finally allow us to stream movies from a normal Windows XP machine and stop forcing Media Center PC on us? Well ... right now it doesn't work. WMP 11 beta2 does have Windows Media Connect built in, which allows to stream pictures and music to your Xbox 360, but video is still a no-go. Some sites suggest there will be an Xbox 360 dashboard update (the big fall 06 update maybe?) to allow streaming videos from WMP 11, but right now there's no official confirmation from Microsoft about this. |
Post by: halofun121 on September 05, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
This post has been edited by halofun121: Sep 5 2006, 05:20 PM
Post by: jtom617 on September 05, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
QUOTE(halofun121 @ Sep 5 2006, 04:50 PM) 
I still want to play my own videos off of the hard drive.
me too, but i dont see that happening anytime soon. 
but streaming is still pretty cool.
Post by: jxoxn21 on September 05, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: gnutellafan on September 05, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: assmonkey on September 05, 2006, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on September 05, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
Have fun
Post by: rasstar on September 05, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(gnutellafan @ Sep 5 2006, 05:20 PM) 
Hopefully they will open it to other formats besides MS media formats. Im not holding my breath though.
That will never happen. The 360 does not have the codecs to play divx or any other format not supported.
Post by: cmirza on September 05, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: rasstar on September 05, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
QUOTE(cmirza @ Sep 5 2006, 05:49 PM)
Microsoft/DivX, give us DivX/XviD codec for 360, PLEASE!!!!
That will never happen. M$ will not support anthing that supports piracy.
Post by: piquete on September 05, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 5 2006, 09:52 AM)
That will never happen. M$ will not support anthing that supports piracy.
Yeah, no company will EVER support DiVX. Oh wait: http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/B000204SWE
I do realize, of course, that Microsoft has it's own interests (i.e. codec's) involved so supporting non-MS made codec's (Divx, Realplayer, etc) is probably not in the cards.
Post by: kics on September 05, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
anyways .... i still have to get me a 360
Post by: rasstar on September 05, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(piquete @ Sep 5 2006, 06:13 PM)
Yeah, no company will EVER support DiVX. Oh wait: http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/B000204SWE
I do realize, of course, that Microsoft has it's own interests (i.e. codec's) involved so supporting non-MS made codec's (Divx, Realplayer, etc) is probably not in the cards.
I know there are divx players on the market. Hell my Creative Zen mp3 player plays divx and xvids and can hook up to my tv for play back. M$ will not get divx since they will have to pay royalties etc so why would they.
http://www.creative....p;product=14331
Post by: bucko on September 05, 2006, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: littlepitel on September 05, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 5 2006, 04:52 PM)
That will never happen. M$ will not support anthing that supports piracy.
Divx / Xvid does not equal piracy. Divx and Xvid are perfectly legitimate codecs for compressing your own media files. Coincidently, since they have such a good compression algorithm, it has become the "scene standard" for pirated releases.
MSFT chooses to support MP3, even though the format is the "scene standard" for pirated releases.
If MSFT is not supporting Divx/Xvid because they feel that it only represents support for piracy, then they should stop supporting MP3 as well.
On another note, it has been confirmed here http://www.neowin.ne...howtopic=491664 that there a several major bugs present in WMP 11 Beta 2 when installing on MCE that were not present in Beta 1.
Post by: rasstar on September 05, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(littlepitel @ Sep 5 2006, 06:56 PM)
Divx / Xvid does not equal piracy. Divx and Xvid are perfectly legitimate codecs for compressing your own media files. Coincidently, since they have such a good compression algorithm, it has become the "scene standard" for pirated releases.
MSFT chooses to support MP3, even though the format is the "scene standard" for pirated releases.
If MSFT is not supporting Divx/Xvid because they feel that it only represents support for piracy, then they should stop supporting MP3 as well.
On another note, it has been confirmed here http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=491664 that there a several major bugs present in WMP 11 Beta 2 when installing on MCE that were not present in Beta 1.
In M$ eyes it will support piracy and hell if you own the DVD why not just pop it in the 360 and forget about ripping? M$ will prefer to support their own formats like WMA and WMV.
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on September 05, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: The Zep Man on September 05, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 5 2006, 08:08 PM)
In M$ eyes it will support piracy
Мicrosoft will simply not support DivX since they do not want to pay the royalties/patents, plus they have their own video codecs. It has got nothing to do with piracy. Why do you think the DVD kits for the Xbox are sold seperately? Because Microsoft doesn't want to pay the royalties/licenses to play DVD for every sold Xbox, just for every sold DVD kit (from which they will get the money back).
Look at the logos on a Xbox. There is no 'DVD video' logo or 'DTS' logo. Only "Compact Disc" (because it can play/rip standard audio CD's) and "Dolby Digital" (because games can support it using 5.1 audio and the right AV pack). Мicrosoft must pay money for all the other functionality (playing DVD videos, passing DTS audio data, etc).
Post by: GARRYB on September 05, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: sicknasty413 on September 05, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: tutu on September 05, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: The Zep Man on September 05, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(tutu @ Sep 5 2006, 09:54 PM)
Microsoft could easily license DivX through a paid for download on market place...
Post by: -Spud- on September 05, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
Also in regards to DivX and XviD, if these patent issues are true, why can I install these codecs in Window Media Player on the PC and play any DivX and XviD file? Why can't Microsoft let us install these codecs on the 360? My only explanation would be that it is actually illegal to install the DivX and XviD codecs in WMP. Yes?
Microsoft should have made streaming video from any Windows PC a standard thing. Really they should have made from the start any windows media format (WMA, WMV, HD-WMV etc.) playable via any network and any device including the 360 Hdd and any USB devices like memory sticks, iPods and USB hdd's.
Post by: pholly on September 05, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(jxoxn21 @ Sep 5 2006, 05:19 PM)
they're gonna block all our firmware updates those c***suckaz, i could feel it. We're all gonna cry about it.
Not all of us, we're not all filthy thieving pirates.
On topic, I can't wait for this. WMV is a good codec and it will probably also support mpeg 2 like the Media Center support. I'd much rather divx/xvid but wmv is better than nothing
Post by: Martinchris23 on September 05, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(-Spud- @ Sep 5 2006, 08:06 PM)
For those with an Xbox 360 and Windows Media Center, can you stream High Definition WMV files from your PC?
Also in regards to DivX and XviD, if these patent issues are true, why can I install these codecs in Window Media Player on the PC and play any DivX and XviD file? Why can't Microsoft let us install these codecs on the 360? My only explanation would be that it is actually illegal to install the DivX and XviD codecs in WMP. Yes?
Microsoft should have made streaming video from any Windows PC a standard thing. Really they should have made from the start any windows media format (WMA, WMV, HD-WMV etc.) playable via any network and any device including the 360 Hdd and any USB devices like memory sticks, iPods and USB hdd's.
Yes you can. I've downloaded WMV-HD trailers from the relevant sites and played them back with 100% success. You can get a load from here too:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...ntshowcase.aspx
Even better, you can download the TS (transport stream) Hi Def movies and stream them through in HD. Albeit the average movie is about 12-14GB in size, but it's do-able, with excellent results.
I will also mention that the MCE for the 360 uses the codecs installed on the main XP Media Center computer (which is why it will thumbnail a divx movie even though you cannot watch it), including DRM license information. If you are in the UK and have SkyByBroadband, you can install the software on your Media Center PC and stream the downloaded files on your 360. For theoretical purposes, you could save the output of the 360 to a DVD Recorder - of course, this is purely theoretical!
This post has been edited by Martinchris23: Sep 5 2006, 10:36 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on September 05, 2006, 04:43:00 PM
Its only use for me at the moment is for playback of HD clips (even then, I can't play half of the ones I have).
The 360 will one day make an excellent media center, but it will be thanks to the scene and not Microsoft.
Post by: thepita on September 05, 2006, 04:54:00 PM
In addition, the file must be of one of the following types:
Music files, such as Windows Media Audio (.wma), MP3 (.mp3), and WAV (.wav) files. Note that audio CDs inserted into your computer can't be shared.
Video files, such as Windows Media Video (.wmv), AVI (.avi), MPEG-1 (.mpeg, .mpg), and MPEG-2 (.mpeg, .mpg) files. Note that DVD-Video discs inserted into your computer can't be shared.
Picture files, such as JPEG (.jpeg, .jpg) and PNG (.png) files.
Playlists, such as Windows Media playlist (.wpl) and MP3 playlist (.m3u) files.
Post by: Aristotle16 on September 05, 2006, 05:15:00 PM
Post by: birchi on September 05, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:03 PM)
Even better, you can download the TS (transport stream) Hi Def movies and stream them through in HD. Albeit the average movie is about 12-14GB in size, but it's do-able, with excellent results.
Also worthy of note is a program called TSConverter which will take your MPEG2 .ts file and wrap it up as a DVR-MS file which enables accurate, fast, reliable seeking too! Bonus! Takes about 10 mins to convert the TS to a DVR-MS, give it a try. For the program to work grab the following:
Download and install HDTVPump from here: HDTVPump 1.0.7
Download and install the small update for it here: Update
Download and extract TSConverter here: TS Converter
Run TSConverter, load your TS, click Control and select your audio track. Click Control and select "Output DVR-MS". Click Control -> Start conversion. Now enjoy hi-def MPEG2 with decent seeking! The program is also useful for stripping foreign audio as it can output back the TS again if you want.
Post by: [email protected] on September 05, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
divx............divx.............
If MS wants to sell as many consoles as they have predicted, they should just add divx support, and even support for future codecs where users can install codecs of their own chosing. Do that MS, and the 360 will sell itself, no doubts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It would have been much easier if homebrew was supported on the 360 right out of the box,,then everyone would want one, even Super Mario + friends. But for now, lets sit back and wait while hackers have a go at getting homebrew to boot and hope for the best,,,,maybe an early xmas presant this year? I certanly hope so...
And for you guys who thinks divx = piracy, get a grip!!!!!
This post has been edited by [email protected]: Sep 6 2006, 01:11 AM
Post by: quarky42 on September 05, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
If they really want to rock then they need to allow loading movies onto the harddrive and playing compressed formats from there or a burned CD or DVD.
Post by: dokworm on September 05, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
They absolutely don't want the 360 to become an all singing and dancing media centre unless they are forced to by Sony.
Why?
Because they lose money on the hardware - if the 360 becomes a wildly popular media centre and tons of people buy it for that functionality and don't buy any games then MS just loses a ton of money.
Also because they have a media centre product they want you to use (and that they actually *make* money on "Windows Media Center".
If they made a profit on the 360 itself, then they would make that sucker the media centre from Hell you can bet on it, and they would be touting it as the best thing ever. As it is, they don't want it to be that.
Our only real hope is that Sony try to push the PS3 as a super duper media centre, which would force MS to open it up to compete.
As for playback of divx etc. you can do that now with the 3rd party wrapper software, I play DIVX, HD WMV, Xvid, MPEG2, .TS HD files etc. right now streamed from the WMC PC through the 360 to my projector.
Obviously I would prefer to be able to put a 750GB drive in my 360 and play the files directly from there.
Post by: DaddyO21 on September 06, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
It doesnt even let me install Media Connect again damn it , what the fuck Micro soft.
This post has been edited by DaddyO21: Sep 6 2006, 07:51 AM
Post by: phoenixdigital on September 06, 2006, 06:19:00 AM
The second Microsoft or the hacker community provides me with a method of doing this that doesn't involve reencoding on the fly I will purchase an XBox 360... until then I am quite content with my Xbox with XBMC...
If the Nintendo Wii or Playstation 3 beats the XBox 360 to it I will buy one of those instead..
Post by: danked on September 06, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(phoenixdigital @ Sep 6 2006, 01:26 PM)
The inability to play xvid and divx is the ONLY reason I have not bought an Xbox 360 yet.
The second Microsoft or the hacker community provides me with a method of doing this that doesn't involve reencoding on the fly I will purchase an XBox 360... until then I am quite content with my Xbox with XBMC...
If the Nintendo Wii or Playstation 3 beats the XBox 360 to it I will buy one of those instead..
the 360 can play XviD and DivX http://www.runtime360.com/
Post by: [email protected] on September 06, 2006, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on September 06, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 5 2006, 11:52 AM)
That will never happen. M$ will not support anthing that supports piracy.
I thought it was humans that supported piracy? So... you're basically saying no decoder should be supported right? That means .mp3 too?
QUOTE(phoenixdigital @ Sep 6 2006, 07:26 AM)
The inability to play xvid and divx is the ONLY reason I have not bought an Xbox 360 yet.
The second Microsoft or the hacker community provides me with a method of doing this that doesn't involve reencoding on the fly I will purchase an XBox 360... until then I am quite content with my Xbox with XBMC...
If the Nintendo Wii or Playstation 3 beats the XBox 360 to it I will buy one of those instead..
Haha, I feel you! I took mine back after 4 months for a full refund... haven't even thought twice about it. I think I'll be grabbing me a wii too! Good 'ol bureaucratic MS... cannot capitalize on this whole HTPC meets high end gaming console idea while they have the advantage... they'll wait until some else does and it'll be two seconds 2 late.
Post by: thepita on September 06, 2006, 09:50:00 PM
"you can use Windows Media Player 11 to stream the contents of your library to networked devices. For example, if you have an Xbox 360 or other digital media receiver (DMR), you can use Windows Media Player to stream music and pictures from your computer to that device. This even works with music that you've downloaded from PlaysForSure music stores and services. For more information, see Digital Media at Home. " http://www.microsoft...here.aspx#share
They took out the streaming video part!!!