Post by: Suicide28 on November 19, 2002, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: Zander on November 19, 2002, 08:27:00 AM
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Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 08:41:00 AM
first off before u take what i was telln a op on irc shit n post it u should atleast have the whole thing correct.
k heres the deal ppl u can play online with copied games i wrote the guide yesterday n sent it to these guys, so if it gets posted it does but here it is.
Ok now im adding in the txt with info for the different ways to ground for each bios, plus the picture for the 2 solder points, and bios itself...
1st.- u need to flashfxp into ur original xbox hd, and send this bios into C:\Bios. Then while still connected u need to change ur evoxdash to yboxdash.xbe. Then u need send
another xboxdash.xbe to C:\ also.
2nd - U must reboot
3rd - Then u need to flash to that multibios.bin. Then it will power off, then it will load up the yboxdash since u dont have the 2 wires grounded yet.
4th - Finally now u need to solder those 2 wires to the points that r included in this rar.
Now after u solder those 2 points u need to make them like 6in's long. When u goto put the board back in pull those 2 wires through the metal square holes to the left of the board, so there on the outside of the case. So u have easy axx to it just to take tape off n put back on for when u want to play the copied games.
5th - Reason for those is the following,
When u have the 2 wires ungrounded it boots from yboxdash.xbe which is Evox 2.4.
When u have the 2 wires grounded it boots to original dash so u can choose live settings and what not...
5 - So now that u have ur tsop flashed with multibios, and have yboxdash.xbe and xboxdash.xbe in ur c:, And have those 2 wires in and pulled through the metal holes.
U can now ground those 2 wires on the outside metal casinging, i use tape, i will explain that when i tell u how to use copied games. So now u boot up to original dash so now u cant put copies in yet so put in the xbox live disk in so it updates ur xboxdash.xbe. k after thats done do ur account if u have to.
6 - Now to play copied games, Some games u need to rent so they update, like NFL2K3 u need to have it update fully, same with NBA2k3 and Ghost Recon, once u have them do that first update u can now use copies online to play them. Heres how u do it now u have those 2 wires ungrounded so it will load up to the evox menu, then when evox is up tape both of those 2 wires back the metal. Then open the tray put the copied game in like i did nfl2k3 make sure ur evox auto starts games, it will load up then select live n then ur in. Its that simple. Same with the other games but u need to rent the originals so u can have them update fully. Then u can use copies till they ask for the game to update again.
Now u can also add i switch too by taking those 2 ground points n putting them together n put it on the switch as 1 wire then put another wire on the switch n u can just ground it to the metal casing. Then bang u got the switch to use ur original bios or evox 2.4.
Created By _SNooZE_ For The People Who Said U Cant Play Copied Games And Have a Flashed Tsop...
If u need MultiBios#1 Goto #xbins on efnet.
Greets To All The Xbox Scene Ppl Doing Stuff For The Newbies
Post by: Questioner on November 19, 2002, 08:48:00 AM
It's not a very eloquent solution, but it's a start. The only bad thing is I don't see any way around having to use the original dvd rom drive instead of the much faster pc dvd rom I have installed....since evox will not autoplay any backup games you put in the 2nd dvd rom drive.
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 08:51:00 AM
but when i put my 120gig hd in to play my games off it i dont have auto on.
I know it works i had it done for a few days now, ive been telln ppl my guide was coming so i just threw one together, and alot of the ppl out here in xbox scene know who i am. So its all good just tryn to help out the lamers who dont no shit n sayn u cant play copies.
Post by: niceguy167 on November 19, 2002, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: niceguy167 on November 19, 2002, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: talon on November 19, 2002, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: Questioner on November 19, 2002, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 19, 2002, 10:37:00 AM
can you play games off of your hard drive?
and can you plapy games after you've been banned?
and let's add one more question cuz i'm an idiot. what's the tsop?
Post by: oneeyedelf on November 19, 2002, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 11:03:00 AM
mechassult dont work off hdd i will have to try it off dvdr when they get here. but as far as ur?s about gettn the multibios u need to goto #xbins n get it. and im not hard to find just ask me for it on irc..
I made my own for the ppl with 3944 kernals, casue the original multibios.bin only had 4304 so just let me no what ones u want.
peace
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 19, 2002, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: donald_wong_oohay on November 19, 2002, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 19, 2002, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: donald_wong_oohay on November 19, 2002, 12:00:00 PM
copy /b bios1.bin + bios2.bin dualbios.bin
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 12:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (niceguy167 @ Nov 19 2002, 06:59 PM) |
| Ok these methods are great except for one problem.... I am not sure about one thing though. When you are going onto live are you using the origional bios or a modded one. I dont see how you can run a backup without a mod cause your backups are running unsecure code. AKA (unsigned) I am also on the backlist. I was at first playing with some of these typs of things you are talking about. however i actually never made it on live and got that error one about not being able to connect. I.E. i know that it detected my mod. I thought i was invisable cause i could disabled the mod chip and was able to get onto live. So i left it disabled. Now i cannot get on live anymore  i always get the xbl not found. So i am curious i guess how this works if you go on to live running the origional bios and you are somehow tricking xbox live and your getting online then maybe this will be a good method. however i am sure that now you , (everyone has posted) this then this method will no longer work. I am sure we are fighting a battle just like dss. Those people are always trying to battle dss. I would like to know if you can still get on live in like 5+ days. anyways let me know if i am wrong or if someone knows more info on this thanks |
nice guy when u use my method u the switch on so its modded n its at the evox dash, then while the tray is open u turn the switch off so its on original bios, then u close the tray n it will boot up a copied game with original bios. hope that helps u
Post by: niceguy167 on November 19, 2002, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: donald_wong_oohay on November 19, 2002, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: gamer4ever on November 19, 2002, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: chaos123 on November 19, 2002, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: Skunky on November 19, 2002, 12:47:00 PM
This won't work if your xbox has already been banned...correct?
Post by: ADebar on November 19, 2002, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 01:38:00 PM
And Chaos123 im not in xbins i just said u can dl the multibios for 4034 there if u need the 3944 i made for multibios u need to pm me in efnet my nick is the same as of here.
Post by: PillMonster on November 19, 2002, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: guboogi on November 19, 2002, 05:54:00 PM
at least for nfl2k3, i copied it myself and mine updates fine.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on November 19, 2002, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: Raiders4ever on November 19, 2002, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on November 19, 2002, 07:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| mechassult dont work off hdd i will have to try it off dvdr when they get here. but as far as ur?s about gettn the multibios u need to goto #xbins n get it. and im not hard to find just ask me for it on irc.. |
Works fine for me.
Post by: Lifter on November 19, 2002, 08:01:00 PM
Also, nobody has answered the whole blacklist issue. Is it even true? Will this technique work if your blacklistd?
Post by: shanafan on November 19, 2002, 08:06:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I'm a bit confused as to why you need originals for Live to update the game. Do they detect copies during the update process? |
Because you can't use copied or HD games to update Live on your system because most modded Xboxes can't connect to Live.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on November 19, 2002, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: scoobster on November 19, 2002, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 19, 2002, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on November 19, 2002, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: angone54321 on November 19, 2002, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: chaos123 on November 19, 2002, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: Katonta on November 20, 2002, 12:14:00 AM
what is your position on this thread?
Post by: opjose on November 20, 2002, 12:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (Katonta @ Nov 20 2002, 07:14 AM) |
| opjose, what is your position on this thread? |
It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to anything that may work.
This raises a few questions:
1 - Have the people with modded multi-bios systems EVER dropped to the updated dashboard with the mod chip or bios switched ON?
2 - Have the people with the modded multi-bios system EVER dropped to the XBLive tab on the updated dashboard with the mod chip switched on?
3 - Points one and two again, but this time AFTER that first downloaded "in game" update.
4 - If the answer to these are NO I can understand how this works, and this confirms my findings vis-a-vis the dashboard "reporting in".
In effect their Xbox is never given the opportunity to run MS's detection code with the mod chip switched on.
This is no different than installing a switch and re-enabling the ON BOARD original BIOS in the TSOP and unmodified DASHBOARD.
And NEVER EVER using the updated dashboard or XBLive with the mod chip turned on.
In this case everything is consistent.
Post by: majik655 on November 20, 2002, 01:07:00 AM
I have an enigmah and now adays people are not talking about it as much..
I have enigmah ...2 switches installed already..and tsop flashed (which can be reversed) .. new hard drive will be locked soon so live will play...live not installed yet.. so not banned ..
I just want to know where I fit in to this and how much modifying IF any i need to do? or if the switches already installed on 15 & 21 are fine..are these the points you refer to? so basically turn off and on the mod with original bios installed .. (basically like mode 3 on matrix) correct?
Thank you!
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 20, 2002, 01:30:00 AM
boot up with the modchip, and click the game loading form hard drive option. clikc to load the game, then physically remove the modchip from the system.
i'm still finding it hard to believe that the modchip is detected based on what's in memory. i think an actual call is being made on the chip, and if it isn't there, it will be fine.
if anyone thinks this might work, or knows it won't, please let me know.
also remember that i'm talking about the matrix modchip which is no solder. so you can just hold the chip over the points with your hand, then once it's loaded, remove the chip. this is a long shot, but it's worth a try none the less.
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 20, 2002, 01:33:00 AM
anyways, something along those lines. i think the important thing is finding out when and how the chip is detected, and to find a way to bypass that.
thanks opjose and zander and the rest for your work!
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 20, 2002, 01:39:00 AM
i don't think this would fry anything if you removed it properly. this is just a test method to see if physically removing the modchip will work. i just don't want to risk my xbox because i've already exchanged it for another box once, and can't do it again, and i have no cash. so, yeah.
anyways, i wonder if anything good can come out of this. wel, then we'd know that it checks the memory, and no communication with the modchip. that's a good thing to be 100% sure about, no?
Post by: Ten98 on November 20, 2002, 02:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Nov 20 2002, 08:30 AM) |
| i'm still finding it hard to believe that the modchip is detected based on what's in memory. i think an actual call is being made on the chip, and if it isn't there, it will be fine. |
That would be difficult to impliment as MS would have to have knowledge of every type of modchip. What is probably happening is the Xboxdash.xbe is taking a CRC of the BIOS and if it doesn't match with known MS ones it's flagging it as modded.
This might go some way to explaining why unmodded consoles are getting banned, as people may have changed something in the BIOS the CRC checking routines didn't take acount of.
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 20, 2002, 09:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (opjose @ Nov 20 2002, 07:54 AM) | ||
It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to anything that may work. This raises a few questions: 1 - Have the people with modded multi-bios systems EVER dropped to the updated dashboard with the mod chip or bios switched ON? 2 - Have the people with the modded multi-bios system EVER dropped to the XBLive tab on the updated dashboard with the mod chip switched on? 3 - Points one and two again, but this time AFTER that first downloaded "in game" update. 4 - If the answer to these are NO I can understand how this works, and this confirms my findings vis-a-vis the dashboard "reporting in". In effect their Xbox is never given the opportunity to run MS's detection code with the mod chip switched on. This is no different than installing a switch and re-enabling the ON BOARD original BIOS in the TSOP and unmodified DASHBOARD. And NEVER EVER using the updated dashboard or XBLive with the mod chip turned on. In this case everything is consistent. |
1. when u have the multibios in y would u drop ur xboxlive dash when u turn the switch off it boots to the xboxdash, when switch is on it boots to evox. Not to hard is it. But then again there r some pretty stupid ppl ive seen in this scene so then u never know.
2. With the games, u need to go rent them n keep mod switch off then allow them to do there thing by doing there update, once it updates once u can play copies from then on, but i dont suggest using copies to update, if it works more power to u.
So far ive had alot of ppl happy, And they know who they r, Im not hard to find and alot of u guys know what im about so its all good. I didnt really have the time for this shit but i did it cause some idiot taking stuff i said in irc that was to be kept internal till i was ready. but its cool
oh yea 1 more thing. add this to the guide if u copy n paste it i sent it to xbox-scene.com. But i repeat add this in cause i dont want to hear u guys fuckn up ur xbox's
When u want to reflash ur bios MAKE SURE U DONT HAVE THE WIRES GROUND OR UR ASKN FOR IT. just take the wires off the switch or metal casing then flash...
Enjoy
Post by: chaos123 on November 20, 2002, 09:09:00 AM
plz let me know
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 20, 2002, 09:11:00 AM
so keep an eye for them or pm me on irc and i will send u to the place to go.
enjoy
Post by: warbeast on November 20, 2002, 10:14:00 AM
think about it if u flash with evolutionx it says the xbox will now reboot thats to kick the new bios u flashed in dont turn your mods off with the xbox still on your lucky its not fucked
Post by: Katonta on November 20, 2002, 12:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Nov 20 2002, 08:39 AM) |
| no, it won't fry it. chips become mis-aligned while console is on, and the beginning test mode where the box is on, and you wiggle the chip around to get a nice fit. those would fry it. i don't think this would fry anything if you removed it properly. this is just a test method to see if physically removing the modchip will work. i just don't want to risk my xbox because i've already exchanged it for another box once, and can't do it again, and i have no cash. so, yeah. anyways, i wonder if anything good can come out of this. wel, then we'd know that it checks the memory, and no communication with the modchip. that's a good thing to be 100% sure about, no? |
you are correct..I just dont want to see any ppl with sweaty hands or any drool fall into the xbox while turned on
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 20, 2002, 02:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Nov 20 2002, 05:14 PM) |
| hang on if u boot with evolutionx or other bios than turn mod off your xbox will still see that bios untill u reboot it has to reboot to see msbios again if there is a way to change bios without rebooting i would love to knowbut i dont think it can be done think about it if u flash with evolutionx it says the xbox will now reboot thats to kick the new bios u flashed in dont turn your mods off with the xbox still on your lucky its not fucked |
warbeast. that's my point exactly. now, you say the bios is in memory, and it will read from that. we are not SURE about that yet. take the matrix for example.. even if you turn it off, there ARE connection points of the modchip still there, and i'm now sure how it would wokr, but MS might know a way to check for that.
asides from that, i also mentioned that if it IS stored in memory, someone should look at changing the info inside the memory.
anyways. this will, even if it fails, let us know more about xbox's detection method.
Post by: Katonta on November 20, 2002, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on November 20, 2002, 05:42:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| (ArMaGeDdOn @ Nov 20 2002, 09:28 AM) and i'm now sure how it would wokr, but MS might know a way to check for that. |
i dunno either, but i know i still get an error code with the chip off. I highly doubt it but could they be testing reaction time? i dont think so but this seems logical (the idea they can test for it)
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 20, 2002, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: JiggSaw on November 20, 2002, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on November 20, 2002, 07:34:00 PM
also..can u use it with a flashable chip? just like put that multibios on it...and then thats all...it'll work?
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 20, 2002, 07:48:00 PM
when u use this multibios i put together for the original, when they check u have it on original xbox then when they do the ram check it matches up cause i added it in to match the original bios from the 4034 bios, so i got it pretty much coverd.
the only way ms will zap it is if ur a dumb ass n leave write axx on ur tsop.
then thats ur problem for not thinking....
Post by: ADebar on November 20, 2002, 08:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (_SNooZE_ @ Nov 21 2002, 02:48 AM) |
| no its not that simple. when u use this multibios i put together for the original, when they check u have it on original xbox then when they do the ram check it matches up cause i added it in to match the original bios from the 4034 bios, so i got it pretty much coverd. the only way ms will zap it is if ur a dumb ass n leave write axx on ur tsop. then thats ur problem for not thinking.... |
you telling me you gotta un-solder-bridge the 2 points that allows BIOS flashing?
Post by: JiggSaw on November 20, 2002, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: JiggSaw on November 20, 2002, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: _SNooZE_ on November 20, 2002, 11:08:00 PM
so maybe my ram trick didnt work. ;(
some1 said something about sending another eeprom over from another box does that really work or no
if so tell me how cause i got a custormers C: backed up here on my pc so if i can change teh shit that way let me no.
also a big reward to who ever gets my box back online n when i say big i mean big reward.
Post by: opjose on November 20, 2002, 11:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (_SNooZE_ @ Nov 21 2002, 06:08 AM) |
| well guys look liked my trick worked for a couple days cause now i think im shitlisted cause it connects fine then the last thing cant find xbox live i get all the suddon. so maybe my ram trick didnt work. ;( some1 said something about sending another eeprom over from another box does that really work or no if so tell me how cause i got a custormers C: backed up here on my pc so if i can change teh shit that way let me no. also a big reward to who ever gets my box back online n when i say big i mean big reward. |
Yeap now it's all consistent with what I originally stated.
At some point your Box "reported in".
Welcome to the "banned" club.
Don't you love M-icrosoft?
Post by: ArMaGeDdOn on November 21, 2002, 12:19:00 AM
http://xbox-scene.fx...f840461aef24947
hopefully opjose will make a comment on it soon. basically if you do what it says, you will be having 2 xbox consoles in one. and be safe from being banned [considering you DO NOT INSTALL XBOX LIVE ON YOUR LARGE HARD DRIVE]
Post by: Katonta on November 21, 2002, 12:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (bearauto @ Nov 21 2002, 11:10 AM) |
| Maybe someone should edit the title of this thread to indicate that it is no longer a viable solution... |
or kill it completely... Good effort tho _SNooZE_
Post by: bearauto on November 23, 2002, 10:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (_SNooZE_ @ Nov 23 2002, 07:16 AM) |
| but u know whats weird, other ppl who r using my method, there xbox's still are working. So therefor i prolly might have just messed up by not fliping my switch or whatnot i dont really know. But i bought another box for live so no big deal i dont mind suporting good stuff thats worth playing. |
Why didn't you just wait for a solution? You KNOW they're going to find one...I just checked out xbconnect last night, and it's got all the LIVE games, with VOICE, and some other games that LIVE doesn't have!
Post by: justinjas on November 23, 2002, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: forcelite on November 24, 2002, 12:54:00 PM
you are right