OK, just a IF, but what IF you change back to the EvoX dash and accidentally, like one of the posters "almost"(15%) did, put in a game containing the update and it goes full process. Is your Xbox totally screwed? If you backup your whole C: drive and replace it after this update, will it be a ok again? Has anyone confirmed this or is it just speculation?
Thanx OpJose
QUOTE (NaughtyNu @ Oct 16 2002, 09:47 PM) | Stupid newbie question time...
Deleting the update.xbe file in games will prevent you (or a dumbass friend) from selecting New Account and killing the EvoX dashboard.
What about newer games like Whacked that do the update when you load them up? Does deleting update.xbe avoid any nuke messes?
I can FTP stuff back and forth and hook up the PC DVD-rom drive but after looking at changing the bios, looks like I'm stuck with whatever I got. |
Good Newbie questions, get answers!
1 Yes, no update.xbe = no problems
2 Yes, again no update.xbe = no problems w/whacked
3 Follow my directions and make SURE you back up your hard drive to something permanent.
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QUOTE (plehem12 @ Oct 17 2002, 01:38 AM) | this might be a stupid question, but i still dont know the answer...will the downloadable content (like new maps or guns in unreal or updated rosters in fever) nuke your xbox? or do all the problems come from the update.xbe file? because if im not able to get the downloadable content, well then screw this! im getting my beta kit tomarow, so please answer my question as soon so you can! and Thank You VERY much opjose for this thread and all the help that you have given to this forum recently. (im an asskisser, i know ) |
Nope, no problems. You only have to worry about the update itself.
Other than that everything works fine (much to my amazement!)
Ok, I have been thinking, which I do a lot of since I have nothing better to do at work, If you keep the LIVE update which is now xboxdash.xbe and rename the EvoX dash to msxboxdash.xbe or whatever you might have. Could you link EvoX from the LIVE dash. I hope you understand what Im trying to say. When Live loads up you have like four options. Could we make one of those options the EvoX? I think that would be a great thing if it could work cause this way when you run a game with this update.xbe it will see your system is already updated. No harm possible. Just trying to help.
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also u cant update with a ntsc game on a pal xbox or after if u turn mod off u will get error 13 because it cant boot to a usa c drive if mod is off on a pal xbox as u cant play imports with no mod so u cant play with a import type cdrive that it makes
QUOTE (smwein @ Oct 17 2002, 02:36 AM) | what about if you run the update before you install your modchip |
No problem. Just do NOT run it after you have replaced the default dash with Evolution-X
QUOTE (electronicfreak @ Oct 17 2002, 05:19 AM) | Ok, I have been thinking, which I do a lot of since I have nothing better to do at work, If you keep the LIVE update which is now xboxdash.xbe and rename the EvoX dash to msxboxdash.xbe or whatever you might have. Could you link EvoX from the LIVE dash. I hope you understand what Im trying to say. When Live loads up you have like four options. Could we make one of those options the EvoX? I think that would be a great thing if it could work cause this way when you run a game with this update.xbe it will see your system is already updated. No harm possible. Just trying to help.
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I haven't tried this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
The update only looks at the xboxdash.xbe file to verify it the dash is up to date.
In turn the XBoxLive tab is merely an external program in the XODASH folder, so if you rename the folder and install Evolution-X there instead you are all set.
However you will really need a link to the XBLive dash from within Evolution-X to make any changes later.
Also remember that a subsequent "new" update may "fix" your evolution-X again to what MS is expecting.
to play the games on the beta disc, can i copy it but delte the update file first? would that let me play the games on the disc with out screwing anything up?
Yes
QUOTE (boblinders @ Oct 18 2002, 04:41 PM) | i not sure if you answered this but what if i did update it and now i can't axcess evolution at all but i can start games but i want to fix this is so i can use evolutionx now then is there a way to delete the update or somethin i tried to reinstall evolution but nothin is there an other way to get on hard-drive and delete it if so please msg me or tell me some how thanks
ps i have an Enigmah |
Boot up from an EVOLUTION-X CD. The XBox is capable of booting from a CD no matter how badly you screw up the hard drive.
You can then FTP to the Xbox and restore the data back from your backup of your C:\ partition.
You -DO- have one right?
QUOTE (Snake @ Oct 18 2002, 04:54 PM) | I have Whacked and i transfer the game to the Xbox, and i played it, but the game was boring, and i deleted the game.. When i transfered the game to xbox, i did not deleted the update file, but have the update file uptaded my Xboxdash.xbe? So have i mess up now then? And when i shall transfer Splinter cell to my Xbox, shall i then delete Update file in the game? |
Whacked boring?????
You haven't played it on XboxLive then!
It's pretty good.
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Look at the size of your xboxdash.xbe file on the Xbox.
If it is 1.6megs in size, it's been updated. If it's 1.2megs in size it's the old version.
If you can bring up the MS dashboard, you have not "messed up" the xbox.
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Re: Splinter Cell update.xbe
This depends upon which Mod bios you are using and if you have the original dash as xboxdash.xbe
If I run the game of my HDD, and wanted to update my dashboard, can I run the update from my HDD or do I have to burn it to cd?( the game that is)
QUOTE (djohng @ Oct 18 2002, 07:19 PM) | MS isn't screwing with anyone...god... everyone is going crazy on this topic...I spent some time last night reviewing what gets changed...this is what happens.
1) The c drive has many files related to the dashboard components...(ie. fonts, screens, data,etc.) During the xbox live update, all of these files are copied to 2 other directories - FONT and something like XBOX.DASHBOARD.10020007...not sure the exact name, since I'm at work writing this. (These directories are erased first if they ALREADY exist, then are re-created) 2) Xonline directory is created and Live files are put here. 3) A new dashboard file is copied in the root.
==== 1) The live update is looking for a given XBE file size, the new(est) Live version (1.6M). If it doesn't find this file, it assumes the XBOX requires updating. Then it goes through items 1-3 above.
2) If you already updated, and have the EVOX.xbe in the root as xboxdash.xbe instead of the 1.6M file, it assumes it needs updated and completes 1-3 above, but since there are no extra files from the original drive, it deletes the xbox.dashboard.1002007 and the font directory....then your screwed!
This is whats going on. MS isn't doing anything strange because you have hacked your xbox. They're following a very simple update structure and process, so as not to screw anything up. Keeps it simple, otherwise they would end up with a number of xboxes in warranty claims. |
This makes perfect sense and no one is saying it's wrong.
I commented that I thought that this was the case myself but I did not have the time to explore exactly which other files were being affected.
The bottom line though is once the dash IS screwed, they still need to go back to a backup.
So for all intents and purposes the dashboard get's NUKED by the update as I outlined.
I also posted that I though that this was done either purely by accident or was a semi willful oversight.
Bill: "Fred, this may screw the modders who replaced their dashboard" Fred: "Screw'em if they can't take a joke!"
Heh.
So don't diminish the severity, as it's still exactly the same end result especially for the newbie who never bothers to back up their drive.
A tiny bit of willful overstatement may save a few people on this.
One last note:
I highly suspect that they WILL end up with a lot of warrenty claims.
The Xbox has a hard time reading even MS's own disks.
A botched install because the xbe files containing the updates could not be fully read during the installation or unpacking will mean legions of returned machines.
This is already being reported in the Live Beta Forums.
its not that hard to understand it looks at your xboxdash first to c if u already have xbox live update some people r saying just rename your xbox dash back while you update no no no this will not work because after u put evolution back as xboxdash the next time u try to use a game on live it WILL fuck up as it looks at your xboxdash every time u run a xbox live game not just the first time u update only way is to use yboxdash or put on cdrw u can not have evolution as xboxdash when u use live
also 2 all you that have pal if u havint seen my post
do not update with a ntsc game ntsc is a usa game and if u r in uk wait till its out in uk
Rename everything back to the original file names. Now, when you turn on your xbox, you should get the original MS dash.
Boot evox from CD with the proper ip settings. Make a backup of your C: and E: and save it on your computer Load a game with the live update on it. As soon as you are done updating your dash (SUCCESSFULLY!!!) reboot your xbox and make sure everythign works right. Reboot back to evox on cd-rw Use evox from cd-rw to avoid MS updating your dashboard randomly, one random update and your nuked.
QUOTE (Col.Havoc @ Oct 21 2002, 02:16 AM) | Rename everything back to the original file names. Now, when you turn on your xbox, you should get the original MS dash.
Boot evox from CD with the proper ip settings. Make a backup of your C: and E: and save it on your computer Load a game with the live update on it. As soon as you are done updating your dash (SUCCESSFULLY!!!) reboot your xbox and make sure everythign works right. Reboot back to evox on cd-rw Use evox from cd-rw to avoid MS updating your dashboard randomly, one random update and your nuked. |
thx col. Thats exactly what I thought. Wish I would have bought a programmable chip!!!!!
QUOTE (Kickace1616 @ Oct 21 2002, 02:36 AM) | i don't think anyone has brought this problem up. Everyone else is having problems if they had evox renamed to xboxdash.xbe & tried to update. I booted from evoxdash.xbe & never touched or renamed the original xboxdash.xbe. My problem had the same resluts (dash wasn't loading & getting a xbox needs service error) but i never renamed my evox dashboard to xboxdash.xbe.
here is what happened & how I fixed it.
I thought i could i update my xbox dash with Unreal since i booted from the evoxdash.xbe & i never changed my original dashboard but i was wrong & the update messed up my xbox. everytime i tried to boot from my original bios (openxbox) it sais your xbox needs service. i didn't know what was wrong because i had the original dahsboard in there & it was never renamed. i was still able to go to evox since evoxdash.xbe was never deleted or changed, i could even still go to MS Dashboard when i clicked MS Dashboard in evox & it had the xbox live menu item in there but everytime i try to run the orignial bios, i got the error message. I was also still able to connect to the xbox over ftp even though the news on the home page said that it wouldn't let you connect to ur xbox if you updated ur dash with Unreal cause it changed the NIC data .
here is how i fixed it: I didn't have a backup of my C: drive or xbox dash cause i didn't think i woudl need it cause i never touched my xbox dash. Opjose told me to download another dashboard from somewhere & i did & i tried to just replace the xboxdash.xbe file in the C: drive but it still wouldn't work. I thoght the reason the new dahsboard i downloaded didn't work was because i didn't have all the files from the xboxdashdata.10027100 folder in the main directory C: like they were before i updated so i moved them in there & tried to boot again & it still didn't work. Then i deleted the Xodash folder & left all the files from the xboxdashdata.10027100 folder in the main directory C: & i deleted that folder & then i reupdated. IT WORKED. I don't know why it worked or why It had the problem in the first place.
Hopefully this will help someone with the same problem.
i would still like to know why it even happened since i booted from evoxdash.xbe & left my original dashboard & everything else untouched?? |
Very fascinating...you were nuked even though you didn't touch xboxdash.
I wonder if having the ybox will end up with the same result...
Few more inexperience questions:
This issue will only affect those who has EvoX dashboard install, am I correct?
So, the people who doesn't have EvoX dashboard install (just a modchip to boot "backup" games), they will not be affected right?
I have a Xodus modchip flashed with "256k.Evx2.5.colormod.err.bin" BIOS and I do not have the EvoX dashboard install, nor am I intend to install it because I have no desire to run homebrewed software or replacing the HD. I just want the Xbox to boot my "backup" DVD. With that said, I and people like me, will not be affected even if I let the live cd update my original and unmodified dashboard?
Well, I still don't have a backup of my C-drive. Things seem to work pretty well now, but I am still not able to launch the MS-Dash. When I try to launch it from EvoX it just crash on me.
I need all the files from the c-drive. I have been told that I will need the files from a Xbox that is running the same kernel version as my Xbox - 1.00.4034.01. Is this correct? My problem is that there seem to be no way of getting these files. I have been asking around on IRC, but noone seem to be willing to help me out.
1. Does anyone know if it is sufficient to restore the files from the c:\xboxdashdata directory?
2. If this is not possible, where would u suggest that I look for the files I need?
but why the xbox hangs if i have the original xboxdash.xbe? sorry for my english
QUOTE | hi to all i have a pal xbox and i have a evox installed on hd then i replaced mi c: with original backup c: then i try to update with splinter cell beta it's seems that the update was succesfull finished because there the message updated completed starting xboxlive but the xbox i think hang's there then i reboot but at the boot screen the xbox hangs without any error messages and when i try to start the xboxdash original with cd of evox it's also hang why? it's because i have a pal xbox? now i fixed it with the backup c: laugh.gif but why the xbox hangs if i have the original xboxdash.xbe? sorry for my english rolleyes.gif |
Coz splinter cell leaked preview is an NTSC game and your original dashboard is PAL ....result will be the nuking of your dashboard....I'm well aware of this, coz splinter cell nuked my PAL xbox!!! Don't try to update a PAL xbox with an NTSC game....result will be a nuked xbox even if it is an unmodified dashboard!!!
i did start a post on ntsc c drive update on pal didint u c it i also emailed xbox-scene to ask them to put it on there site to let pal users know but i dont think they care about as
if u updated c with ntsc it should still work if u have mod on inless u also had evolution as xboxdash as xbox will play imports with mod that
note if u update a pal xbox with ntsc on a 120g hdd its ok as u need mod on anyway and it works ok with mod on
BUT i would still wait for pal live update
Wow, this is a great thread, so much info to digest. Just one question, or confirmation, I have a Xtender chip (so no bios upgrade without it being a pain in the arse) and have no need to use 'xbox live'. I only have dial up, so too slow, and not interested in it anyway. But I want to play Splinter Cell, but I'll back it up first and remove the update.xbe and that should be ok. It doesn't update the dash when you play the original does it, or does it give you the option to update during the game? Live in Australia, so I have a while before it comes out. Please help. Thanks
Xtract the ISO and remove the Update.xbe file then reburn.
It will be XBLive "proof" then.
QUOTE (schumy @ Oct 21 2002, 08:55 PM) | hi to all i have a pal xbox and i have a evox installed on hd then i replaced mi c: with original backup c: then i try to update with splinter cell beta it's seems that the update was succesfull finished because there the message updated completed starting xboxlive but the xbox i think hang's there then i reboot but at the boot screen the xbox hangs without any error messages and when i try to start the xboxdash original with cd of evox it's also hang why? it's because i have a pal xbox? now i fixed it with the backup c: but why the xbox hangs if i have the original xboxdash.xbe? sorry for my english |
i have the same problem as you but my xbox it NTSC what should i do
QUOTE (MattMus @ Oct 23 2002, 01:07 PM) | Hi there
I have inadvertantly nuked a PAL Xbox (with modchip installed) by stupidly hitting the download button in Splinter Cell.
From reading through all the posts it appears that there is a way of fixing it - i.e. restore the original PAL XBOX files to the C: drive....
I have a PAL c: image - thanks to newsgroups - but do not have a clue how to go about resolving this............I only use the mod for game backups and therefore have not used much homebrew....
Can someone please tell me what software I need and how I go about getting this sorted out..........thanks very much.......
P.S If possible I'd like to avoid a PC network connection and resolve all from CDRW or DVD-R
THANKS Again |
goto this site http://evox.xboxhackz.net/ and click on guides this should get you on your way
Hey Caml, this is what I did. I had evox on my hard disk, so I burned a dvdr of the new Evox with all of the bios, skins etc (it's 4.7 gig so you can even have boxplorer and the whole c: backup on there). I left the evox dash on there, just changed the name, and reinstalled msdash (renaming it the xboxdash.xbe). So when the xbox boots it goes to the original dash, bit scared of nuking it by accident. Then when i want to back up a game, the evox dvdr is used and I can ftp. The new version of evox lets you open the tray without it resetting.
You can even leave the apps on the xbox harddisk and the menu.ini on the dvdr will load the appz up fine. Just can't have evox dash (unless other bios are used). Also make sure that the menu.ini has the correct ip address otherwise it won't connect to your PC. (I also ran the evox DVD in media player b6, to make sure that it was working.)
I just dragged the menu.ini onto the dvdr. Hope this helps.
And thanks opjose, thought that was the case. I read the other previous posts more carefully and it made more sense.
Thanks for that info. it looks like it can be done....however....the PAL image I have is corrupt so the next big question is ..........does anyone know where or have a PAL image that they can get to me ..........Have requested on newsgroups but no luck as yet...........!!!!!!
If possible I intend to make a Evo/PAL and Evo/NTSC boot disk that automatically formats the C: drive and restore to 'non-live' state and then post these so everyone else has an easy fix if needed....
Thanks in Advance
QUOTE (Judge @ Oct 24 2002, 09:25 AM) | Hey Caml, this is what I did. I had evox on my hard disk, so I burned a dvdr of the new Evox with all of the bios, skins etc (it's 4.7 gig so you can even have boxplorer and the whole c: backup on there). I left the evox dash on there, just changed the name, and reinstalled msdash (renaming it the xboxdash.xbe). So when the xbox boots it goes to the original dash, bit scared of nuking it by accident. Then when i want to back up a game, the evox dvdr is used and I can ftp. The new version of evox lets you open the tray without it resetting.
You can even leave the apps on the xbox harddisk and the menu.ini on the dvdr will load the appz up fine. Just can't have evox dash (unless other bios are used). Also make sure that the menu.ini has the correct ip address otherwise it won't connect to your PC. (I also ran the evox DVD in media player b6, to make sure that it was working.)
I just dragged the menu.ini onto the dvdr. Hope this helps.
And thanks opjose, thought that was the case. I read the other previous posts more carefully and it made more sense. |
Menu.ini is used by the older Evolution-X 1.8.4xx.
Upgrade to 1.8.2xxx which uses evox.ini instead.
I've got the MS Dashboard link problem to. Opjose said to copy back my entire C:\ from a backup copy that wasnt affected by xbox live I did that and the evox link to msdashboard still doesnt work.
Do i have to actually delete the C:\ first and then copy it back over? cause it seems risky. BTW my backup copy of C:\, i just went to flashfxp, selected C:\ and copied it over to my PC. I cant see this xboxdash.028 whatever numbers folder in my backup copy or on my xbox's C:\
ps. if i did delete C:\, then copied my backup copy of it with flashfxp, would it work?
btw i have a PAL xbox with enigmah x final.
mtgplayer2k, so your original msxboxdash wasnt working before, so you overwrited the evox xboxdash with the backup copy of the MS xboxdash? So it wasnt working before, and after doing that it does?
QUOTE (paulweaver16 @ Oct 24 2002, 01:08 PM) | NEWBIE QUESTION
Can i update to a ybios with an e-xcuter mod with evo 1.8.458 |
Non-NEWBIE ANSWER
Why on earth would you want to?
Use 1.8.2xxx instead!
QUOTE (bigcol @ Oct 26 2002, 04:43 AM) | I've got the MS Dashboard link problem to. Opjose said to copy back my entire C:\ from a backup copy that wasnt affected by xbox live I did that and the evox link to msdashboard still doesnt work.
Do i have to actually delete the C:\ first and then copy it back over? cause it seems risky. BTW my backup copy of C:\, i just went to flashfxp, selected C:\ and copied it over to my PC. I cant see this xboxdash.028 whatever numbers folder in my backup copy or on my xbox's C:\
ps. if i did delete C:\, then copied my backup copy of it with flashfxp, would it work?
btw i have a PAL xbox with enigmah x final. |
I wrote this for the NTSC Xboxes.
PAL Xboxes have even bigger trouble!
Yeah delete everything and restore from your backup and let us know how it went.
Hopefully you don't have a serial eeprom problem.
You may also need to restore E:\ but I sorta doubt it.
yeah I have an enigmah chip and want to upgrade to a better bios, but I dont think I have the skill to install the disable switch. What I wanted to know is, what effect does xbox live have on a permanently flashed bios?
ok i have a similar problem. Here are my details. I have a ntsc unit..grabbed unreal the first day it was available updated the dash board and didnt really check out the dashboard until today to find its not working. I have enigmah installed and no evox or anything. When i boot up my xbox it fails to load the dashboard it just freezes while loading it. Originals and backups work fine but i just cant get to the dashboard. I tried using whacked to update xbox live but it didnt do anything. From reading this thread it appears i need to find a backup of the c:\ and over write mine correct? do i need to find someone with the same kernel? and what utils can i use to do this? i have downloaded boxexplorer and am able to see the contents of my xbox hard drive not sure if i can burn the backup of the c:\ to the cdrw with boxexplorer on it and copy it over. any info would be appreciated thanks!!
search before you write.............just get a backup of the c drive and put it in your xbox then get whacked and update the dash then you are set
so i can just get a copy of my friends c:\ it doesnt matter the kernel or anything?
check out my post
My post for everyone
to help you with the xbox live crap using xboxdash and not yboxdash for you x-ecuter people!
Please can anyone supply me with a PAL c: image
I'm desperate........
PLEASE
just a update for everyone i burned my friends c:\ onto a cdrw along with boxexplorer booted up deleted everything on my c:\ and copied his over from the cdrw now everything works perfect!!! The image of the c:\ is from a ntsc machine and is about 41meg rared if anyone wants it just drop me an email and i will be happy to xfer it to you as long as you have a cable connection or higher no 56k sorry.
Please a C: drive image for a PAL BOX would be appreciated!
QUOTE (KeyserSoze @ Oct 21 2002, 05:55 AM) | Few more inexperience questions:
This issue will only affect those who has EvoX dashboard install, am I correct?
So, the people who doesn't have EvoX dashboard install (just a modchip to boot "backup" games), they will not be affected right?
I have a Xodus modchip flashed with "256k.Evx2.5.colormod.err.bin" BIOS and I do not have the EvoX dashboard install, nor am I intend to install it because I have no desire to run homebrewed software or replacing the HD. I just want the Xbox to boot my "backup" DVD. With that said, I and people like me, will not be affected even if I let the live cd update my original and unmodified dashboard? |
I've been wondering the same question as above. Either I've missed it or this question has not been directly answered. I've read all the post. I understand the process of fixing the problem so it won't become a problem, and I understand why we should all change to ybox/evo. But does this apply to those people as mentioned in the quote?
i DIDNT give you the answer thats the question ive got 3 modded xbox's 1 running evo dash the other 2 running ms dash CAN i go live with these 2
QUOTE (MattMus @ Oct 23 2002, 01:07 PM) | Hi there
you could try to unlock it as my 120g hdd that is not locked did work in any xbox untill i locked it when u first got the new xbox u should have ftp the c drive to fix the old one thats one good thing about matrix u can get in to any xbox easy
"clean up" the games and you'll be fine.
Extract the ISO to your PC's hard drive, remove the update.xbe file (and you can also eliminate the dashupdate.xbe file too!) and reburn or re-image and the game is "SAFE" for your Xbox.
No risk of someone nuking the Xbox this way.
Yeah, it's a bit of hassle, but hey, what do you expect?
but u c i want to use ntsc games because they r out first i know about the nuke but will a ntsc game c a pal live updated c dive
i will update my c dirive ok with a pal game but i want to c what a will happed if i use a ntsc game on live after will it see the pal update
NO DON'T Try this!
If you run a NTSC game on your PAL xbox it may very well update the PAL dashboard, even if it's already been updated.
It occurs because the update software will not see the same VERSION dash that it is expecting so it will try again, nuking your box!
Remember in an OEM Xbox NTSC games will not run on PAL Xboxes or vice versa. So this is not a problem for non-modded boxes.
However it IS a HUGE problem for yours.
Fix the game!
Extract the files and remove the update.xbe file, then reburn to make your game XBLive safe for you!
and update bios....easy solution
Now I have burn Evox i think a 15 times on a dvd-rw and a cd-rw but nope won't work on my xbox (ntsc) it won't Boot I burned it whit nero , primo , RecordNow max4.1 but nothing they al won't work I used different Evox versions but nope I also nuked my xbox whit splinter cell ........................ I have read in this post that no matter what the XboX always boots from a dvd-rw of cd-rw some one sad this i hope he is right about it Please tell me what do i wrong
Tnx
I dont run evox on my harddrive, when i want to backup a game i just boot into evox and then continue to ftp. So i guess when i install live update i wont be affected? The only thing I dont understand is that i have patched my xboxdash with regionX and also will do the progrssive patch at a later date, so will these changes still be active after live has done its update to the dashboard? If not will the same patchs still work on the updated xboxdash?
hang on what if after i update to live pal i use ntfc game and it updates to live ntsc i could just put the pal game back in update over ntsc back to pal
QUOTE (Bio Hazard @ Nov 3 2002, 04:18 PM) | Now I have burn Evox i think a 15 times on a dvd-rw and a cd-rw but nope won't work on my xbox (ntsc) it won't Boot I burned it whit nero , primo , RecordNow max4.1 but nothing they al won't work I used different Evox versions but nope I also nuked my xbox whit splinter cell ........................ I have read in this post that no matter what the XboX always boots from a dvd-rw of cd-rw some one sad this i hope he is right about it Please tell me what do i wrong
Tnx |
This is just a check list so as to know what your are/aren't doing (so don't get upset by the list if some of the questions are .. well .. silly)
Are you burning the iso image?. Did you make sure the evox dash file is called default.xbe on the CD Media and all the ip settings in evox.ini are correct?
So if you've done the above, have you tried to "pad" the iso with a large file so as to move the content of evox to the outer portion of the dvd-r/cd-r
Were you previously (before the splinter cell damage) able to boot to the dash using the same media?
If you did have success booting at an earlier time, then there's no reason why you can't now.
anyways, let us know how you're preping the dvd-r/cd-r with evox?
regards,
vm3
when i Used Splinter cell ......... live ..... every thing crashed not at once but slowley first the main menu stops to work second i can't play games anymore even wurst the Xbox stopt booting nothing boots anymore The media i used is defferend princo, pioneer DVD-RW and CD-RW platinum , tdk doesn't make any differens i burned it right i have another xbox here (pal) and everything I brun that will boot on the pal Xbox wierd
I no longer have the original, unpatched, PAL dashboard. (DVDX-1 patched)
If I run the LIVE update, it will screw up my system.
Can I un-patch my dashboard? i understand I cannot use one from another XBOX, is this right?
as long as u have a xbox c drive msxboxdash.xbe back as xboxdash.xbe u can update but as far as i know there is no uk pal games out yet with live on them
also theres a post on the main page on how to update without ybox ie x-ecuter people if u got ybox i would keep it like that dont fuck with the live folder in c inless u have to
I don't get wut YXboxDash.xbe is...does everyone have it? after i take the evoX dash out...and rename the original one...so it boots the original one..and install Xbox live...then put put the EvoX dash back on...rename everything back to wut it wuz...and edit the Menu.ini file so that it adds Xbox Live to the Launch Menu...and all is fixed..i can still play my burned games? Please clarify...thanx!
Also..how do I make an Image of the C and E drive? do i just copy all the files over into a folder via FTP? And if i screw it up..how do I restore that Image?
so what if I nuke my xbox and do turn it off? How hard is that to fix(if I don't have a backup), but do have an evox install cd?
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i know ybox works and u can use live with mod off
but will it work with mod off with the other setup that is on main page i think its the wrong way to go u should leave the live files as they r useing yboxdash keeps it all the way it should be also i fount with my bros xbox with 8g hdd if u update to ntsc it woks with mod on untill i turn it off than it cant read the ntsc c drive to get around this pop in a pal live game update over the ntsc back to pal this will let u use ntsc and pal games on live BUT your be updateing your cdrive every time u swap from pal to ntsc
Wut is yxboxdash? does everyone use it? y cant u just rename it? can someone answer my earlier post on pg. 8 the very last one!:-)
Ok, here's another n00b question: I'm getting my beta live cd in the mail between now and monday. I have an enigmah clone and have never touched a single file on my HD through anything else than the original xbox dashboard (just deleting files, soundtracks all that boring stuff) and do not have, plan on having, or ever have had evo X on my xbox. Anyway, i dont have a switch to turn off my enigmah clone modchip. But besides that, everything on my xbox is normal. Should I worry when i install the beta live cd and play the games online?
Thx for the help,
and before i get put down
i was not trying to scare any one just that if i said it would be 100% fine and he went and put in his live cd and it just happed to be the frist of a new type that looked for mods and did some shit to his xbox (say again i am not saying they have ) i would not like to be the person how told him to .
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yes, according to everyone, you should be able to... btw, thanks warbeast
no u c when u play a xbox live game it frist looks to c if u have live dash than if u dont it updates it so after u rename every thing back ie msxboxdash and xboxdash the next time u try to play a game on live it will look at your xboxdash which is evo as u put it back after update will not think u have livedash try to update again and nuke it u need to keep xboxdash on c and not rename it ybox lets u put evo to yboxdash and leave xboxdash alone
uhhhh...in english please...that was really confusing!
QUOTE (N00bvin @ Oct 11 2002, 12:53 AM) | yboxdash is not affected.
BTW: You can preven the games from "nuking" your Xbox by removing the UPDATE.XBE file from them.
This way they will not attempt to perform the dashboard update no matter what.
What is very disturbing is that once the damage is done, even replacing the original MSDash doesn't work.
Something else is being changed by this process. |
How can you remove the UPDATE.xbe from the games? u cant delete data off of a CD...??
after you transfer the game from the xbox to your computer via FlashFXP open up whatever folder the game is in, there will be the update.xbe file right there. delete that. burn the game.
in every game
ok i read alot of this post, and this is what i think is right- If you have a modchip installed with evox bios on it, and havent messed with your harddrive at all, you can install live just like normal, but if you have a modchip with evox bios on there AND evox dashboard you have to reinstall the xbox dash after you install live, and never put that disc in again, or click on 'new account' in any game. is that right?
I have a modded xbox with the original bios still installed. Does it make any difference if your xbox bios is original but you are using a mod chip to boot? If it does, forget about running games off hard drives and buy a dvd writer instead like i did. I'm scared to try myself until there is more solid info.
Damn....return of the lameness....
anywayz just do this.....Use fancxbox by superfro and get the exvox 2.5 regular bios from the normal places. Run fancxbox on the evox 2.5 bios and tell it to boot from iamlame.xbe instead of ybox.xbe. Then flash your bios with the new one. ez and future proof. oh and dont forget to rename your evox dash xbe to iamlame.xbe.
hey all-
all this info is kinda confusing since i wasn't in the beta... anyhow here's what I have and maybe someone can answer my question...:
I've got an xbox running evo 2.5 bios off a matrix/xoduschip. I moved the hd to an external hd firewire enclosure box (firewire removed, added ide interface so external xbox idc connector connects to firewire idc box connector). Then I added a 5 1/4 hd hot swapable box to fit in the firewire enclosure... works great with 2 60 gigs running evox on the hd (swapable). Now my question is, if I get another hd swapable tray for my orig hd, and set my matrix to mode3, wouldn't this be as if my xbox isn't modded at all allowing me to play xbox live? My orig hd is untouched and perfectly intact...
Thanks.
I don't have live but plan on getting it...anyways I want to start burning all my games xblive compliant. I know I have to delete the update.xbe, but I was looking on some games, and there is also a file that says dashupdate.xbe. My question is do I delete both? as I assume I wouldn't want my dash tampered with.
Umm...Sorry about this lame post after reading all 143 previous posts I found my answer
Cheers, Ngrey
I have written a turtorial on how to fix Error 21 by essentially removing Xbox Live from your Xbox. You can use a backup of your original C partition or a backup of your C partition with Evolution X installed on it. Note: you do not need a complete image of the partition only a hand full of files from the root directory. I have upped the tutorial to xbox-scene and have posted a link in the xbox live forum. This tutorial is only good of you want to remove Xbox Live from your Xbox.
http://xbox-scene.fx...e7740b356171fa9
i had an updatedash.xbe not UPDATE.xbe in UC on my hdd. Is that the same thing, cause I deleted it. It freaked me out cause I go into boxplorer and hit default.xbe to run the game and updatedash.xbe was right next to it. Also, why doesn't M$ or the game developers just make update.xbe run automatically just to fuck us over? And where in the game do u execute update.xbe anyway, I looked on UC and didn't see any update or xboxlive stuff. If I don't ever install xbox live should I be ok with update.xbe or not?
i found the xbox live option in the game. I fi click on it will it nuke my xbox?? What about if i deleted the dashupdate.xbe, not UPDATE.xbe?
QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 17 2002, 08:03 AM) | i found the xbox live option in the game. I fi click on it will it nuke my xbox?? What about if i deleted the dashupdate.xbe, not UPDATE.xbe? |
update.xbe is the actual program that performs the update.
the dashupdate.xbe is the 54 meg archive file containing the updates themselves.
I did this accidentally screwing up my dashboard with the update off the CD going wrong.
I also found that I had lost my backup of the original MS dash. Well, I got the original off a friend and starting moving files around to hope it would work. (I'd already installed Live once, and was trying to test mod chip theories etc. and see if I could revert to an older version of Live)
Well, I renamed the xodash folder and moved all of those backed up files out of that folder which was created first time and tried to update again. Luckily it worked.
This may not work for you as I didn't note down exactly what I was doing at the time, however with a little playing about (and pissing myself) it did finally work again.
why not, it's worth a shot. If they tell u that a modchip was detected tell them u've heard of software that steals other people's serial numbers and maybe that's the case.
Ok question:
If you put in a retail or burned game in the xbox, and DO NOT go into the XBOX live menu within the game, does it still "try" to update the dashboard? Like does it "try" to update the dashboard as soon as the game turns on? Or is only when you select xbox live within the game??
If it is true that it doesn't try to update the dash when the game is turned on, but it does try to update when you select the xblive menu within the game, does the update take place RIGHT when you select the xblive option? Or a few screens (or whatever) after that?
Lets say you download a game, I notice some "groups" are removing the update.xbe from the games themselfs, but some are not? IF you extracted the iso on the HD, removed that file, then made a new ISO out of it, then the game couldn't harm the dash or system at all I am guessing?
I am not to worried about xblive live, think I will buy another xbox that isn't modded to use it.. (If later I feel I want too). I do have the x-ecuter 1.1 mod chip, and evo-dash running... I will not be putting any xblive setup disk in this xbox..
Another silly quesiton, lets take UT for example: if I wanted to play an XBOX LAN, ie 4 xboxes hooked together to play UT Muilitiplayer, I wouldn't need the xblive update, I woudn't see why I would, but just asking...
So what you are saying is that, I don't need to remove any "update.xbe" file in any game, due to I have to ask it to update, then comfirm the update like "Yes I want it to update" blah blah..
If this is true, then really I have nothing to worry about...
like I said, if I decide to play on live, then I will just buy an "unmodded" xbox and play retail games.. or whatever, or maybe down the road when all this crap is figured out, get a new xbox with a new chip.. who knows, but for right now, no I don't want to play on live.. heh
hopefully there will be a way to emulate the checksum, or send a fake checksum value in sum way, unfortunately i can not think of a easily implemented method. maybe possible routing packets thru a terminal computer and having it modify, but not viable for every1.
k, so i read this entire post - that took some time
quick review of my current setup: matrix chip with 2.5standard newest evox dash 120g hdd unlocked
through most of this post i was given the impression that as long as an updated ms xboxdash.xbe existed in c:\ and i was booting off a different dash all would be well
thus, i was planning the following changes: flash bios to x2 4972 final name dash evoxdash.xbe restore ms dash and update ---> then i thought i could boot into evox and play the games backed up on my hd on live
but, this post hasn't mentioned the bios checksum until this page, so i suspect it may be new or might simply have been assumed - so if, in fact, a bios checksum would force the need of the origional unmodified bios on boot up...
i have an idea of what steps are then necessary, but i'd like some confirmation, in addition to what i planned on doing, i'd also need to: switch matrix to mode3 lock the hd ---> but, then i can only boot origional xblive games when i'm in modchip-off mode
perhaps i'm missing something, but this much to take in at 3am ;) i'm realatively new, but i've done a lot of reading into these topics before this post and have found some contradictions - perhaps only between what was the case durning the beta and is the case now
specifically, i'm interested in what methods i'll be able to play xblive games once i purchase it and make the necessary changes - and what changes are necessary to accomplish them
i've read ojrman's tutorial on xblive, but i'm not sure it addresses these questions --- ideally i'd like to play a game backed up to my hd on live, (how)is this possible?
//edit after more reading i'm seeing there's no solid way to play games off the hd yet, clearly and most methods for playing backups on dvd are sketchy going to wait until something tried and true comes along i think
To Haveck :
I think u're right. your solution, seems to be good.
Just , as you have a 120G HD, you can put all your apps and games on F, and let the C partition like the original retail one.
Just take a bios that load evox.xbe, or sthg like that, on F, because this partition is not checked by MS. When on live, boot the original MS bios to avoir any update (banning) i think this will work.
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