Post by: XboxOwnsAll on June 08, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
Do you realize how difficult the flying missions are going to be? Like the one where you gotta fly the plane close to the ground so that you don't get picked up by radar.
Post by: Shudder on June 08, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
The flying thing is why I want to cheat and drop in some planes. If they're not easy to control I'm most certainly done. As it stands now I'm not happy about drive-bys sucking balls. It'd be ok if you could configure the controls like in the other one, but you're stuck with their (IMO Shitty) default.
I think the only way I'd buy the game (rented it) is if they update it somehow so you can reconfigure things. I quit playing the PS2 one for nothing I'm starting to think
Post by: XboxOwnsAll on June 08, 2005, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: Shudder on June 08, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 08, 2005, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 08, 2005, 11:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Shudder @ Jun 8 2005, 01:35 PM)
Really? I think they're sharper and the framerate is more consistent and better.
There are plenty of reviews that back my comment up. Just read the first page of the gamespot review. It looks fine in 480i, but when playing in 480p it looks the way I said. I know I could play it on 480i instead of 480p, but have you ever played a 480i game on a 52 inch HDTV, its not fun. The image looks like crap and leaves "trails" everywhere and will remind you of first gen PS2 games.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 08, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: n00bFRAGGER on June 08, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Shudder @ Jun 8 2005, 01:43 PM)
Ahh.. see, I don't have an H/EDTV yet.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 08, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 08, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(n00bFRAGGER @ Jun 8 2005, 02:58 PM)
Ugggh.. Don't mention "EDTV"... all it is is a crappy rip off of High definition...
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Post by: themadman123 on June 08, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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No, you mean it was just a horrible movie.....
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Post by: Shudder on June 08, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
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Well, on the PS2 you hit L2/R2 to look left/right which is easy to do. PS2's buttons are closer, so holding X to drive (usually I'm coasting for drive bys anyway) and hitting O to fire is quite easy.
On xbox now you have to hit w/bl to look l/r AND hit A or B to fire. Quite a distance there. And of course to look back you have to hit bl + wh, which isn't easy on xbox, but is easy to hit L2 and R2 at the same time on the PS2.
The stick is friggin worthless as a camera. who cares? I wish they made it look like in hte double pack
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Post by: iwannadie on June 09, 2005, 12:36:00 AM
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ya the xbox version doesnt sound very good at all, ill have to wait untill i play it. i dont think hitting black+white together is a big deal but im sure it will prove to be annoying enough. but im alredy hating the ps2 controlls not sure if i can hate them anymore.
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Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 08:28:00 AM
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Actually I think I'm going to stick with the PS2 version. I put myself through hell (you know, playing games for hours), played the PS2 one for an hour and then the xbox one.
In all honesty I think the controls even themselves out.
To shoot on the xbox you hit white + A to look and shoot left, bl + B to shoot right (technically you can hit black and A and white and b, but it's not easy to do). So your index fingers get to drive back and forth while only your thumb is needed to shoot. It's not the easiest, but if you put your thumb joint on Wh and the thumb tip on A, it's not that difficult.
For the PS2 you have to hit L2 or R2 to look, X to drive, and O to shoot. Or if you have to reverse, you have to hit [ ] to go backwards and O to shoot. Sure you can hit L1 to shoot, but that puts 2 buttons in use (L1 and L2) which kinda sucks.
After playing both I honestly think it's easier to do drivebys in Xbox. It's not easy to press both buttons at first, but your right thumb ends up all over the place on the PS2 version.
It's easy to eggerate how bad the controls are, but after sitting down and seeing how they were in the PS2 one I realized they're both kidna bad, but the xbox is less bad. The only advantage the PS2 has in controls is with the rudder and reverse looking in the car- it's L2/R2 and bl/wh (press both for reverse looking) for the ps2 and xbox respectively. Thankfully it's not used that much and is easy to do while flying (you won't be pressing it over and over, just a second or two press for turning).
Couple that with the bad framerate and overdone haze with the PS2 version, and when I say framerate issues I mean real serious issues, the xbox version comes out on top.
Yeah I was a little baby, but I'm glad I played each in depth with flying and drive bys to make a decision I can live with
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 09, 2005, 08:50:00 AM
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Well I got the PC version. All I have to say is fuck the PS2 and xbox version, they suck serious ass compared to it. Yum, eye-candy. Full AA and full draw distance are nice.
Plus I can configure the controls to use a mouse/keyboard or dual analog force feedback controller.
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Post by: gcskate27 on June 09, 2005, 08:57:00 AM
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fanboy...
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Post by: Viewtiful Asher on June 09, 2005, 09:06:00 AM
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get back to ps2 its just its a mistake imo.
the loading times in the ps2 version where...fucking annoying.
also gta san andreas fucked up my laser...
just try to hear the sounds of your ps2 when playing gta.
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Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 09, 2005, 09:25:00 AM
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Yeah, I'm such a fanboy because rockstar didnt do a good job of porting it to xbox like they did with 3 and vice city :rolleyes:
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Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
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Huh.. no idea what you're talking about.
Oh yeah I have HDLoader :D
I played the PC version of 3 and Vice, but it's just so much easier to plop down on the couch, sip a whiskey and coke, and control it on a system. I'm practically done with pc gaming.
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Post by: Silentscream__ on June 09, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
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I was just about to make a thread about this - in the xbox ports of vice city and GTA 3, there was a 'classic' controls option, why didnt the put it in this one.
Shudder - HDloaders loading times for GTA:SA are still horribly slow compared with the xbox :P
I only play PC only games like doom3 (not any more) and Half Life2 - everything else I play on the xbox :)
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Post by: notsodiseased on June 09, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
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If the main gripe is about the controls. I know theres xbox controllers that have the white/black buttons as shoulder buttons.
Personally I think this version blows away the ps2 versions. Plus the new stuff is decent. Nothing earth shattering but good stuff still...
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Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
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I'll have to disagree about the load times.. with the HDD the PS2 version is fairly close to the Xbox in terms of loading speed. Without it, sure, it sucks, but so do most ps2 games.
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Post by: Viewtiful Asher on June 09, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
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still gta san andreas its not as good as jak 3
and we´ll never see a jak game on xbox...
well...now that i think about it...maybe universal buys the franchise to naughty dog
and make some horrible jak games for 360
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Post by: poogles on June 10, 2005, 06:15:00 AM
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This is why xbl should have been integrated. Release a patch and fix it.
Replay option has so much more potential. Saving them and sharing them on xbl would have been a great addition.
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Post by: parabolee on June 10, 2005, 08:39:00 AM
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Has anyone heard of the control converters?????
Don't go back to the PS2 version, just use a PS2 gamepad!!!!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...8197720493&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...8197720102&rd=1
There is a whole bunch of these, plus there are XBOX pads with the black and white buttons as triggers just like the PS2 pad. Seriously it's not that hard to figure out! I never intended to play this game with the standard XB pad!
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Post by: Ozy on June 26, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
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Can;t you just change the control config file?
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Post by: Xombe on June 26, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
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Which file would that be? I don't find any file that seems to be a control config file in the disc...
This post has been edited by Xombe: Jun 26 2005, 11:19 PM
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Post by: Zdemon29958 on June 27, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
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Post by: themadman123 on June 08, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Ugggh.. Don't mention "EDTV"... all it is is a crappy rip off of High definition...
No, you mean it was just a horrible movie.....
Post by: Shudder on June 08, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
On xbox now you have to hit w/bl to look l/r AND hit A or B to fire. Quite a distance there. And of course to look back you have to hit bl + wh, which isn't easy on xbox, but is easy to hit L2 and R2 at the same time on the PS2.
The stick is friggin worthless as a camera. who cares? I wish they made it look like in hte double pack
Post by: iwannadie on June 09, 2005, 12:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Shudder @ Jun 8 2005, 06:23 PM)
Well, on the PS2 you hit L2/R2 to look left/right which is easy to do. PS2's buttons are closer, so holding X to drive (usually I'm coasting for drive bys anyway) and hitting O to fire is quite easy.
On xbox now you have to hit w/bl to look l/r AND hit A or B to fire. Quite a distance there. And of course to look back you have to hit bl + wh, which isn't easy on xbox, but is easy to hit L2 and R2 at the same time on the PS2.
The stick is friggin worthless as a camera. who cares? I wish they made it look like in hte double pack
On xbox now you have to hit w/bl to look l/r AND hit A or B to fire. Quite a distance there. And of course to look back you have to hit bl + wh, which isn't easy on xbox, but is easy to hit L2 and R2 at the same time on the PS2.
The stick is friggin worthless as a camera. who cares? I wish they made it look like in hte double pack
ya the xbox version doesnt sound very good at all, ill have to wait untill i play it. i dont think hitting black+white together is a big deal but im sure it will prove to be annoying enough. but im alredy hating the ps2 controlls not sure if i can hate them anymore.
Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 08:28:00 AM
In all honesty I think the controls even themselves out.
To shoot on the xbox you hit white + A to look and shoot left, bl + B to shoot right (technically you can hit black and A and white and b, but it's not easy to do). So your index fingers get to drive back and forth while only your thumb is needed to shoot. It's not the easiest, but if you put your thumb joint on Wh and the thumb tip on A, it's not that difficult.
For the PS2 you have to hit L2 or R2 to look, X to drive, and O to shoot. Or if you have to reverse, you have to hit [ ] to go backwards and O to shoot. Sure you can hit L1 to shoot, but that puts 2 buttons in use (L1 and L2) which kinda sucks.
After playing both I honestly think it's easier to do drivebys in Xbox. It's not easy to press both buttons at first, but your right thumb ends up all over the place on the PS2 version.
It's easy to eggerate how bad the controls are, but after sitting down and seeing how they were in the PS2 one I realized they're both kidna bad, but the xbox is less bad. The only advantage the PS2 has in controls is with the rudder and reverse looking in the car- it's L2/R2 and bl/wh (press both for reverse looking) for the ps2 and xbox respectively. Thankfully it's not used that much and is easy to do while flying (you won't be pressing it over and over, just a second or two press for turning).
Couple that with the bad framerate and overdone haze with the PS2 version, and when I say framerate issues I mean real serious issues, the xbox version comes out on top.
Yeah I was a little baby, but I'm glad I played each in depth with flying and drive bys to make a decision I can live with
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 09, 2005, 08:50:00 AM
Plus I can configure the controls to use a mouse/keyboard or dual analog force feedback controller.
Post by: gcskate27 on June 09, 2005, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: Viewtiful Asher on June 09, 2005, 09:06:00 AM
the loading times in the ps2 version where...fucking annoying.
also gta san andreas fucked up my laser...
just try to hear the sounds of your ps2 when playing gta.
Post by: deftonesmx17 on June 09, 2005, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(gcskate27 @ Jun 9 2005, 11:08 AM)
fanboy... :beer:
Yeah, I'm such a fanboy because rockstar didnt do a good job of porting it to xbox like they did with 3 and vice city :rolleyes:
Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
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the loading times in the ps2 version where...fucking annoying.
Huh.. no idea what you're talking about.
Oh yeah I have HDLoader :D
I played the PC version of 3 and Vice, but it's just so much easier to plop down on the couch, sip a whiskey and coke, and control it on a system. I'm practically done with pc gaming.
Post by: Silentscream__ on June 09, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Shudder @ Jun 9 2005, 05:57 PM)
Huh.. no idea what you're talking about.
Oh yeah I have HDLoader :D
I played the PC version of 3 and Vice, but it's just so much easier to plop down on the couch, sip a whiskey and coke, and control it on a system. I'm practically done with pc gaming.
Oh yeah I have HDLoader :D
I played the PC version of 3 and Vice, but it's just so much easier to plop down on the couch, sip a whiskey and coke, and control it on a system. I'm practically done with pc gaming.
I was just about to make a thread about this - in the xbox ports of vice city and GTA 3, there was a 'classic' controls option, why didnt the put it in this one.
Shudder - HDloaders loading times for GTA:SA are still horribly slow compared with the xbox :P
I only play PC only games like doom3 (not any more) and Half Life2 - everything else I play on the xbox :)
Post by: notsodiseased on June 09, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
Personally I think this version blows away the ps2 versions. Plus the new stuff is decent. Nothing earth shattering but good stuff still...
Post by: Shudder on June 09, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: Viewtiful Asher on June 09, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
and we´ll never see a jak game on xbox...
well...now that i think about it...maybe universal buys the franchise to naughty dog
and make some horrible jak games for 360
Post by: poogles on June 10, 2005, 06:15:00 AM
Replay option has so much more potential. Saving them and sharing them on xbl would have been a great addition.
Post by: parabolee on June 10, 2005, 08:39:00 AM
Don't go back to the PS2 version, just use a PS2 gamepad!!!!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...8197720493&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...8197720102&rd=1
There is a whole bunch of these, plus there are XBOX pads with the black and white buttons as triggers just like the PS2 pad. Seriously it's not that hard to figure out! I never intended to play this game with the standard XB pad!
Post by: Ozy on June 26, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on June 26, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
This post has been edited by Xombe: Jun 26 2005, 11:19 PM
Post by: Zdemon29958 on June 27, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Ozy @ Jun 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
Can;t you just change the control config file?
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Post by: Xombe on June 27, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
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Post by: ZASADAR on June 28, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
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on gta vc you can edit the config to change controlls =(
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Post by: deathx88 on July 03, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
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Post by: Xombe on July 04, 2005, 01:39:00 AM
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Post by: Zdemon29958 on July 04, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
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Post by: Xombe on June 27, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
Post by: ZASADAR on June 28, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: deathx88 on July 03, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on July 04, 2005, 01:39:00 AM
Post by: Zdemon29958 on July 04, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Xombe @ Jul 4 2005, 06:20 PM)
If there was, we wouldn't be bitching about it.