Post by: RayJay on October 01, 2004, 03:39:00 AM
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=...oducts_id=5438&
is this 4 real ?
regards,
RAYJAY
Post by: bluvasa on October 01, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
It sounds pretty cool especially being plug and play. I am so used to duke, though, I don't know if I would use it. I don't really have a desk or table near my tv, but it does sound promising.
Post by: Neeero on October 01, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
This post has been edited by Neeero: Oct 1 2004, 06:44 PM
Post by: Opteron on October 01, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 01, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
thankfully i dont see too many people using this so halo2 online wont be completely fucked...
just my opinion mind you...
*also, whats proving that video is an xbox running halo? i havent played halo pc, so if there are notable differences, fill me in...
Post by: DaVinci3rd on October 01, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
I personally didn't want console gaming coming to this.
Post by: thomes08 on October 01, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
we can all point at stuff and click, we do it all the time, and that's no fun in gaming because it makes shooting people from far away easy, and people up close are an easy headshot
i like the little slower and harder to use controller as opposed to point and click. But anyways that's just me
Post by: jledhead on October 01, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: geniusalz on October 01, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
Anybody with a mouse/keyboard on a console will be able to whoop anyone with a controller, especially due to the autoaim most games have, like gcskate27 mentioned.
I personally perfer playing games with a controller as opposed to a keyboard/mouse, and I am sure there are many more like me, so I would never want to play with a keyboard/mouse just to be able to compete online.
So I wouldn't want this device to get too popular.
jledhead: just use usb adapters, this device is for another purpose.
This post has been edited by geniusalz: Oct 1 2004, 10:52 PM
Post by: AnThRaX on October 01, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (geniusalz @ Oct 1 2004, 05:23 PM) |
| Even though this is an awesome technical innovation, but I feel it has the potential to ruin online games. Anybody with a mouse/keyboard on a console will be able to whoop anyone with a controller, especially due to the autoaim most games have, like gcskate27 mentioned. I personally perfer playing games with a controller as opposed to a keyboard/mouse, and I am sure there are many more like me, so I would never want to play with a keyboard/mouse just to be able to compete online. So I wouldn't want this device to get too popular. jledhead: just use usb adapters, this device is for another purpose. |
My opionion I can own up in some UT2k4 on keyboard/mouse I love using mouse/kb for that. But, for halo since im so used to a controller I use that.
Post by: Urbansquid on October 01, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
teh ghey. :angry:
Post by: nolem on October 01, 2004, 04:31:00 PM
Using a gamepad is, too me, the main difference between an xbox and pc. I am happy this came out though since I'm about to install linux, and a keyboard will help. But I hope that gamers planning to use this for online games don't. things will work much better if everyone is based off a gamepad, then the players with real skill with be noticed.
Post by: Opteron on October 01, 2004, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Ten-96 on October 01, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: notsodiseased on October 01, 2004, 06:06:00 PM
Yes its much easier to own all with a keyB/mouse combination (long time Pc shooter veteran here). All this means is that were all going to have to try a little harder when halo 2 comes out. The people who dominate now will still dominate on halo 2 and still dominate using a joypad. I personally want it to happen since im down for all technical innovations but im still going to beat/get beat by people who use either. There is nothing that can kill online gaming. Not all the cheating and different device wielding in the world can even hinder that.
Evolve on the battlefield.
Also Urbansquid. no offense but your clan must be pretty sketchy is you think this will ruin clan play. lol theres not a single respectable clan that has anything to fear from this and i also seriously doubt keyboard/mouse combos will be allowed at any console tournys which are the absolute proving ground for any game clan
:::editors note::: i only speak of halo 2 here because it going to be the online worthwile online shooter for the box so...
This post has been edited by notsodiseased: Oct 2 2004, 01:07 AM
Post by: Ten-96 on October 01, 2004, 05:51:00 PM
Did you ever play as a twisted fragger for Quake III: Arena on Steve and Lori's server? If so, how have you been? If not, good to meet you. Like you, I'm also a long time fp shooter (more Medal of Honor on pc than anything) veteran. The keyboard and mouse for the xbox will just make things a little more interesting for those that chose not to use it. Console gaming is here to stay. Having a one-up on someone else won't change that. It will just make the controller users better and better, knowing that they could be up against a keyboard/mouse user. I could be wrong, of course; couldn't I?
Post by: xboxhaxorz on October 01, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
its interesting but expensive. im sure we can make it ourselves right?
i mean all the pro modders should think of something to this.
Post by: UnStable on October 01, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 1 2004, 07:39 PM) |
| i, for one, sort of wish this didnt come out... i dont wanna get into a pc fanboy vs console fanboy argument here, but imo opinion it is much easier to use a mouse and keyboard... sort of the equivalent of autoaim if it was available... thankfully i dont see too many people using this so halo2 online wont be completely fucked... just my opinion mind you... *also, whats proving that video is an xbox running halo? i havent played halo pc, so if there are notable differences, fill me in... |
QFT!!! If you want to use a key/mouse stick to PC gaming!
Post by: gcskate27 on October 01, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (UnStable @ Oct 1 2004, 10:29 PM) |
| QFT!!! If you want to use a key/mouse stick to PC gaming! |
whats qft? youll have to excuse me, ive been drinking...
Post by: Infamous_One on October 02, 2004, 01:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (trentdadi @ Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM) |
| Im doubting that it will give too much of an advantage. |
it will give a lot of advantage , a mouse controlled cursor moves faster on Xebian than when using the XBox Game Controller Joystick to move it.
on HALO 2 using XBox Controller will take you 2 seconds to point and shoot someone in the head , using that crap will take you 1 second, cause is faster.
Post by: gcskate27 on October 02, 2004, 04:20:00 PM
)...theres the advantage, the mouse and keyboard are inherently easier to control, thats why people have been waiting so anxiously for a device like this... they arent used to the controller and know theyd be better with an easier to use devise...
but i could not imagine playing halo with a m+kb... sacralige...
Post by: Ten-96 on October 02, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: esc1 on October 02, 2004, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: Neeero on October 03, 2004, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: geniusalz on October 03, 2004, 11:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dansken @ Oct 3 2004, 05:49 AM) |
| Anyone know where to buy the Smartjoy Frag ? I know Lik sang has it but there must be others. |
infidel!
On a more serious note, I would like to explain the difference between this and using kbd/mouse in linux.
This device technically acts as an xbox controller, but gets input from mouse and keyboard. This allows you to use it in xbox games, but in linux or other homebrew software this would be a waste. You will not be able to use more than 10 keys at a time, because the controller has 10 buttons and the device is acting like a controller.
Plugging in a keyboard/mouse through a USB adapter will let you use the keyboard/mouse as they normally work. This means that the program will need to know how to interpret keyboard/mouse input, so that is why keyboards/mice don't work with retail xbox games.
Just pointing that out, since many people don't seem to know the difference.
Post by: toxical on October 03, 2004, 01:02:00 PM
ive been playing fps on the pc for over 7 years now competivly and i enjoyed it alot...
fps on the xbox or anything other console are just utter crap with those crappy controllers...of course i could stick to the pc games but the xbox has some cool games...
i could never get why so many ppl play FPS online, how could you with a crappy controller like that? now with keyboard and mouse thats soo cool, ill definatly try some more xbox fps out now...every fps player in the world plays with a keyboard and mouse and still there are major skill differences between them, just like with a controller...
i have waited really long for this, this is taking the xbox fps experience to another level imho...just great!
the movement speed is really fast in that video they did, looks like normal fps on a pc!
when everybody is using that little thingie everything is fine, you dont have too but its not that expensive either...
i am looking forward to play some great xbox games with mouse and keyboard soon, that controller was the only thing seperating the 2 scenes, maybe sometime pc and console players can play together online etc...
with a controller you are so limited and slow, its just utter crap
Post by: X2Gamer on October 03, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 03, 2004, 04:38:00 PM
yeah thatll be fun
Post by: Sir_Vival on October 03, 2004, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: X2Gamer on October 04, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 04, 2004, 01:13:00 AM
thats what i translate "crappy controllers" to in my head whenever its mentioned in this thread...
*ie easier to use, ie requiring less skill... and yes i realise that there is skill involved with a m+kb, im not saying there isnt... its just like driving a car... its easier to drive an automatic, but it takes less skill than a standard car...
Post by: Crypty on October 04, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
EDIT: I have to point out a big problem though. Some of you may have noticed that the thumbstick control is different from mouse control in games. When you push the right stick to the right in halo, you spin right. Push it more, you spin faster. Let go of it, and you dont spin at all.
Now what you are used to with a mouse in FPS games is you move the mouse to where you want to aim, as if your reticle was a cursor. You can let go and it will stay there.
This makes it nearly impossible to use in halo. You would have to move it a little to look, then move it back to EXACTLY the mid point to stop looking. How are you going to find that mid point where your look stays where it is? Mice dont snap back to the mid point like a joy.
Now thats the way I see it, but if they managed so somehow make a mouse work like on PC FPS games I would be very impressed/ non-believing.
Post by: Neeero on October 04, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: criofreeze on October 04, 2004, 09:46:00 AM
here is the US place I found
Cliff Racer's Video Game Accessories
Tyson
Post by: OR-G on October 04, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (Crypty @ Oct 4 2004, 03:44 PM) |
| EDIT: I have to point out a big problem though. Some of you may have noticed that the thumbstick control is different from mouse control in games. When you push the right stick to the right in halo, you spin right. Push it more, you spin faster. Let go of it, and you dont spin at all. Now what you are used to with a mouse in FPS games is you move the mouse to where you want to aim, as if your reticle was a cursor. You can let go and it will stay there. This makes it nearly impossible to use in halo. You would have to move it a little to look, then move it back to EXACTLY the mid point to stop looking. How are you going to find that mid point where your look stays where it is? Mice dont snap back to the mid point like a joy. |
As soon as the mouse stops moving it is instantly at midpoint, because it is 0x 0y. I think they'll implement an average of movement so that when u move the mouse quick it speeds up to max or if you move it slow its like tapping the joystick over a little(if not, then oh well, the mouse can sense the very minute movements). But who knows, i've preordered mine on oct 1st with 2-5 day shipping, so I'll let u guys know how it goes
Post by: toxical on October 04, 2004, 11:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (criofreeze @ Oct 4 2004, 05:49 PM) |
| I finally found a place in the US which is taking pre-orders for these things. Liek the guy who started the thread, i wondered if this was for real...Still unsure about how well the thing will work. Has anyone heard aything about how compatable it is with new games coming out? here is the US place I found Cliff Racer's Video Game Accessories Tyson |
it will surely work with all the new games cause the box still thinks its a normal controller and you can customize very button etc...
so there should be absolutly no problem with new games
Post by: gcskate27 on October 04, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (toxical @ Oct 4 2004, 04:27 AM) |
| thats bullshit! skill is the same... people will learn playing with a controller just like they did with mouse and keyboard, its not that you are a perfect fps player when you just plug in a mouse and keyboard... i learnt that when everybody was still playing fps with keyboard only without looking up and down etc...that was back in 1996 when i played duke3d... ppl just dont want to learn everything from scratch just to have a chance online,pc player dont stand a chance against experienced xboxers online, thats a fact...still they might own them up if both were playing with a keyboard and mouse... again you have to learn that too, like playing with a controller...its not that you plug it in and are perfect at every game... its not easier with a controller, just totally different so you have to relearn it, and after you spend many hours into getting good at playing with a controller you are still far away from the skill level you could reach with a kb & mouse, and thats a proven fact. For example the best player with a controller plays one of the best pc fps gamers like fatality or so, fatality would totally own him up just because of the limitations the controller provides. If you think different use your controller, theres no reason for arguing about smartjoy frag then |
if you were responding to my post then i think youre confused as to my views on the whole issue... i know the kb+m takes skill, i even said so... and im certainly not saying the controller takes less skill and that a person who is good with the controller could easily beat someone who's good with the kb+m... what im saying is there is less of a learning curve with the kb+m... at least to me this is such an obvious statement... when i first started playing pc fps it took me no time to get good at using the kb+m, though it did take a while to get the little 'tricks' down to come naturally... but when i first started halo it took much longer as i wasnt used to the controller... you admit that a good pc player would totally beat a good console player, yet you dont seem to see how this would be bad for console online fps...
are you one of those who needs the kb+m?
Post by: Crypty on October 04, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 05, 2004, 01:10:00 AM
halo2, as this is the game this device will be most used for, was meant for the xbox, ie console players... you dont want to get raped at console fps' b/c you arent used to the controller, well i, among many others, dont want to have to switch to this device to enjoy online fps'... as you say, constantly losing because youre at a disadvantage, and not because of skill, isnt fun...
Post by: MadDog5145 on October 05, 2004, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: toxical on October 05, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 5 2004, 09:13 AM) |
| your argument is fine except for one thing, it slights console players... you dont want to have to learn to use the controller, but you suggest that if the console player is serious, theyll switch to the kb+m... halo2, as this is the game this device will be most used for, was meant for the xbox, ie console players... you dont want to get raped at console fps' b/c you arent used to the controller, well i, among many others, dont want to have to switch to this device to enjoy online fps'... as you say, constantly losing because youre at a disadvantage, and not because of skill, isnt fun... |
@maddog
not one of us, cause its not out yet...hope some site will test it soon.
@gcskate27
you are right i didnt think of that, still i dont think that the difference will be that big between good players. I have just watched a Halo2 MP Tourney Movie and those guys are really really good with a controller...if i didnt know that they played with a controller i would have said that kb+mouse...for example you would probably still own me up in halo2 with a controller no matter how experienced i am with other fps...
Still your point is right, on the other hand i think that many xbox fps players have pc fps experience aswell.
Lol something just crossed my mind...some years ago i met a quake2 player who played with keyboard + joystick, man that guy was up to most kb+mouse players skill...
Post by: Neeero on October 05, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 05, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
im up for a challenge... though id expect to lose...
Post by: bendu on October 05, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
but seriously...has anyone tried it?
I don't play Xbox online but I would love to have a kb/m setup for FPS.
Post by: gcskate27 on October 05, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 05, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: Ten-96 on October 05, 2004, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: Rebel-Soul on October 05, 2004, 05:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Neeero @ Oct 4 2004, 11:13 AM) |
| This is pretty funny. I love the "a kb + mouse is easier to use, therefore it takes less skill arguement." I think walking with 1 leg is harder to do, therefore it must take more skill, so you should try chopping off one of your legs. Shit, you might as well play Halo with a DDR pad, that takes way more sk1llz. |
actually i did that and what i did was fuse a controller with a ddr pad so that i can toss nades and shit with my feet its cool but hard to get used to...
Post by: kissitfatty on October 05, 2004, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: toxical on October 05, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 5 2004, 07:15 PM) |
| bah fuck it all anyway, toxical you seem like a pretty cool guy... im pretty sure you wouldnt be one of the ones trash talking because your winning... maybe we should meet up on halo2 and see who would win... im up for a challenge... though id expect to lose... |
id really love to, but since i am from germany, europe and you are from the US there will be some problems like pings and that NTSC/PAL crap :/
Still my ping isnt that bad to the us, id guess around 120, so we might try it sometime
you got icq or something ?You had really good arguments, in the first place i thought you were some xbox kid flaming because you dont want to get beaten online, unfortunatly i was wrong. you are a cool dude
Post by: OR-G on October 06, 2004, 12:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (kissitfatty @ Oct 6 2004, 03:57 AM) |
| there is one big con though the pc gaming market is suffering bad thankfully we have half life 2 but that is being delayed so with this it gives all the benifits of the pc on a conlole soo its just killing the pc market i say if xbox has the original contolers let the pc keep the original design |
The PC gaming market was already doomed. It is now easier than ever to pirate PC games with bit torrent. I figure by the time xbox 2 is out all big name games will be xbox(2) with ports to computer and we all know how crappy ports usually turn out.
Post by: esc1 on October 06, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: Ten-96 on October 06, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: Neeero on October 07, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 07, 2004, 02:00:00 AM
Post by: StrYker on October 07, 2004, 11:40:00 AM
Get Ready!!!!!!!The limit is the sky.
Post by: rawring_wagon on October 07, 2004, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 07, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
now obviously this wont help in the movement (strafing and such) but that is the only thing you have to learn for pc fps... thats the only aspect of the learning curve, aim is ingrained if you already use a computer... with a console you have to learn both, with a much clunkier part of you anatomy: your thumbs...
to the people who say that console players are just scared of losing: you are absolutly correct... nobody wants to spend over a hundred to play online just to be killed over and over again by someone with an unfair advantage... its analagous to cheating... we want the playing field level and we dont want to be forced to buy this device to do so...
that being said, im beginning to think this wont have that big an impact on halo2...
Post by: bluvasa on October 07, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 7 2004, 09:45 PM) |
| in a way kids are being born with better hand eye coordination |
I guess I am forever doomed to be beaten by some seven year old kid for the rest of my life.
Post by: gcskate27 on October 08, 2004, 02:28:00 AM
this arguement has been done to death and you have brought nothing new to it...
Post by: Neeero on October 08, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on October 08, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Master-Chief on October 09, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: Crypty on October 09, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: actraiser on October 19, 2004, 06:57:00 AM
What you have to do though is to set the sensitivity of the targetting to the highest option in Halo or Halo 2, then its perfect. The device supports 5 Mousebuttons + wheel, I used the pre-configured halo-setting which worked excellent for me. You would use the wheel to change the weapon, pressing the wheel throws grenades. Left mouse button is shooting, right mousebutton is alternate firemode (such as snipering etc).
The HALO-setting includes the common WASD-movement with a few keys around to duck etc. Return button brings you to the start-menu of the game where you can change settings, save and so on. You can though map any other layout as you wish by using a referencecard and entering the programming mode of the SmartJoy FRAG (ESC-Key). You can then enter the code for Padbutton A for example and assign it to the left mousebutton or to your right shiftkey or whatever you like to. New settings can be saved to the F-Keys of the Keyboard so you can load them anytime.
And yes, i doubt that any good padplayer has a chance to own a kbm-player with this device. You better upgrade because my preordered Halo 2 will be played with Keyboard/Mouse on XBL, thats for sure :-)
-act
PS: By the way, if you want to buy this item, you better do it at Lik-Sang.com directly to be sure to get one.
Post by: Devedander on October 19, 2004, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: actraiser on October 20, 2004, 04:56:00 AM
"Xbox Backup Forum - DVD/CD Burning / ISO extraction & creation / Hard Drive Backups 61 posts in this forum"
So what exactly is your point?
-act
Post by: aaron1017 on October 20, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: Pyroknight on October 20, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
It doesn't matter if the PC gaming realm is unbalanced in terms of peripherals/ features (sound etc.) Not one of these advantages (except maybe an aimbot) would compare to that given by an aiming handicap with mouse and keyboard.
Post by: Neeero on October 20, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (Pyroknight @ Oct 20 2004, 07:18 PM) |
| Players should not have to pay 40 bucks to have a fighting chance against those who have paid. |
And how is this any different then paying for a better internet connection for ping?
Post by: esc1 on October 20, 2004, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Crypty on October 20, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
The point of a console is to allow people to play a wide variety of games over a long period of time without needing hardware upgrades, not so that all players are equal to one another. Why try to even the playing field if there is going to be a large skill gap anyway.
If you are someone who bitches about how someone else wins because of their setup then maybe you just shouldnt play. Too many times I have beat people down in halo on xbc and then find them making excuses like "I am on a bad TV at my grandma's house." or "I would have won if only my B button worked better."
Post by: gcskate27 on October 20, 2004, 04:46:00 PM
a. a lot of people dont use it and it doesnt ruin h2 online
b. they ban this in halo competitions
Post by: Neeero on October 20, 2004, 10:07:00 PM
This is what i think xbox live will be like:
All controller users will bitch that the person who beat them uses a KB/M, reguardless of what they actually use, because how can they possibly tell what they're really using. The truth is, people can't handle losing, and complaining is always the best way to relieve blaim.
If you understand what the best controll setup is, then you only have yourself to blaim if you dont' use it.
Post by: gcskate27 on October 20, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| All controller users will bitch that the person who beat them uses a KB/M, reguardless of what they actually use, because how can they possibly tell what they're really using. The truth is, people can't handle losing, and complaining is always the best way to relieve blaim. |
im just hopeing that live doesnt turn out to be like socom where i can only play with my friends to know for a fact noone is cheating...
Post by: Foe-hammer on October 20, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 21 2004, 06:28 AM) |
| not if you do not wish to use a kb/m b/c you are playing a fucking console game... how is this point hard to understand? kb/m is an advantage, people dont want to lose to someone that has an advantage over them, its not fun and it ruins the game... and this does NOT compare to a better tv, better eyesite or reflexes, thats just rediculous... it directly compares to autoaim, which anyone would find an unfair advantage... |
Agreed.
When you try to justify use of a keyboard and mouse on a console game WHICH WAS NEVER INTENTED TO BE USED; i.e., programmed for a controller with the aid of auto aim. Then that is an unfair advantage. It is not the same thing as an HDTV and 5.1 DD; these were intended to be used in the game, and where programmed for.
Post by: pagancow on October 21, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
Background information : I use to travel with AceJas in the Quake2 days and rack up prizes in the midwest. (Completely different scene.)
Post by: gcskate27 on October 21, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: Neeero on October 22, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
Looks like we have a new standard for controller in HALO.
Post by: gcskate27 on October 22, 2004, 12:37:00 AM
*as always, imo...
Post by: Pyroknight on October 22, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Neeero @ Oct 22 2004, 08:21 AM) |
| IGN Review Here Looks like we have a new standard for controller in HALO. |
Lucky for you, the review handily avoided the topic of bringing the device into the multipplaer realm. Looks like it does what it was created for.
Post by: Label2021 on October 28, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
BTW I got it today. I cant even get the damn thing to work.....Im not trying to lead you away from buying it, it might be my mistake or it could be a defect. Instructions are pretty straight forward so I doubt its anything Im doing wrong. But I will figure that out sooner or later. Does smartjoy not have an official site I could get support from? smartjoy.com is just a placeholder that hasnt been opened into a site yet.
-LabeL-
Post by: esc1 on October 29, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: Kira Yamoto on October 31, 2004, 04:45:00 AM
the only reason why MS hasnt released a mouse adapter for xb is because they dont want it anything near a PC even though it already is one in my opinion.
the same analogy can be made for mouse/key and pads. fps's were on PC LONG before console games could even produce fps. therefore most people who play fps are USED TO mouse/key as opposed to people who just started on pad. there is nothing 'unfair' about people being able to use mouse/key on a console.
as long as you use what youre used to, you will be able to pull out you full potential, whether that be pad or mouse/keyboard or joystick. ive seen pad users (me being one of them) whoop people up on joysticks. its all in how good you play the game, theres nothing unfair about using what youre used to using.
Post by: smokeingit on November 24, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: smokeingit on November 24, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: esc1 on November 24, 2004, 11:37:00 PM
I got an idea. Stop wasting your money on this crap and use a controller like consoles are made to be played.
Post by: SniperKilla on November 25, 2004, 12:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (smokeingit @ Nov 25 2004, 07:12 AM) |
| i tried everything on the dead zone... the dead zone is wonderful idea if you can spin the mouse faster then then a whore can sniff crack. but at that point it would be pointless... i waited almost a month for the crap and i spent 35 bucks for nothing... what a waste of money. screw those guys from IGN that gave this shit a kick ass review.... i tested it with 3 different mice and not a good result other wise... modchipworld.com is going to sell it... i got the inside scoop from team xtender. |
did you adjust the sensitivty via the keyboard shortcuts AND the in game halo 2 adjustments? i know 4 people that use theirs regurally for halo 2 and say its fucking awesome..
Post by: ChrisF on November 25, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
As for the device, I'm not confident that emulating a mouse through a control stick game is going to give exactly the same results as a standard mouse. If it was so unbelievably stellar, more PC people would be happy and most I've spoken too have gotten rid of theirs.
As for sports analogies - damn people, does no one realize the sports organizations ban competing with 'unfair' or 'unbalancing' advantages? That type of analogy is crap. Drug testing for anabolics and stimulants is commonplace in many sports (and is something of a joke in many sports also). Golf balls can certainly be made to go much further yet the USGA regulated the specs - just like they outlawed square grooved clubs due to only a percevied advantage with absolutely no hard evidence. Look at Nascar, everyone is essentially running identical performance and lots of other racing leagues do the same thing.
Post by: smokeingit on November 25, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: krustytheclown on November 27, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: smokeingit on November 27, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (Greyfoxwolf @ Nov 27 2004, 08:48 AM) |
| smokeingit try setting the sensetivity on insane and play a litle with the deadzone. To those who say that ppl who use kb/m setup have advantage they have it wrong, the smartjoy frag only simulates the pad it does not replace it (so you have to adjust the ingame sensetivity as well as the deadzone) so the mous acts exectly the same as the thumbstick. I still prefere the pad over the kb/m for halo cause the ppl @ bungee have done a wonderfull job on the aiming (i own kb/m users as well as pad users), but for other games like counterstrike, gohstrecon, rainbowsix and so forth its a very usefull tool because it will make you enjoy the game a lot more. But still you need ALOT of practise and tuning before you can start playing (im trying halo2 @legendary with kb/m setup....its fargin hard ) The kb/m and joypad users are like 2 difrent martial arts, both deadly, its up to the player who will win. I know that there are a few biological drawbacks on using your yjumb, but trust me you will adept if you play enough and at hard settings. |
i didnt know that setting was there till thanksgiving morning... and i forgot to post that it works better with it. on insane mode. thanx for the tip none the less!
Post by: McGeyser on December 04, 2004, 02:47:00 AM
Post by: McGeyser on December 07, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: krustytheclown on December 08, 2004, 06:51:00 AM
1st, It only has 8 controller settings built into it, with only 1 extra spot for custom control (for a different game), programming it is kinda weird. Other than that, I think its pretty good. (I still use my s controller a lot though).
Post by: McGeyser on December 09, 2004, 06:15:00 AM
Does the auto aim come into play or is that BS? Is it easier for Halo 2?
Post by: krustytheclown on December 09, 2004, 11:43:00 AM
Post by: ChrisF on December 09, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (krustytheclown @ Dec 9 2004, 08:46 PM) |
| I haven't seen any autoaim help, so its bs to me. |
The autoaim is built into some games not the Smartjoy. A small amount of autoaim is built into both Halo 1 and Halo 2 to compensate for people using the gamepads. Bungie did not include it in their PC version of Halo 1. It isn't blantantly easy to notice but if you play some and are looking for it, you will certainly notice it.
Post by: McGeyser on December 09, 2004, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: McGeyser on December 16, 2004, 08:53:00 PM
Lik -sang is slow I still haven't gotten the order yet. I did see the recent X-S SJF Review and it looks like this thing is legit besides the auto aim factor.
Post by: gcskate27 on December 24, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
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