Post by: Devedander on January 08, 2009, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: MickRaider on January 08, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
There's really no reason it costs so much to increase your hard drive space.
Post by: Dark Seraph on January 08, 2009, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(MickRaider @ Jan 8 2009, 05:43 PM) 
I think people would rather have digital download and cheaper larger hard drives.
There's really no reason it costs so much to increase your hard drive space.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822116095
I would even agree with a 40$ markup because of the grey case around the hdd. lol.
Post by: twistedsymphony on January 08, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Dark Seraph on January 08, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jan 8 2009, 05:48 PM)
What want to know is where is this "LIST" and how can let me voice be represented on it...
I want some of these
- Web Browser Maybe
- Some of the games From the snes ported to 360, Some no name games and Also things like Donkey kong Country, Im not talking mario.
- more Video formats Playable
Post by: tom_mandory on January 08, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
So bach is right, Blu-ray Isnt Wanted By Xbox Consumers.
Post by: keystroke on January 08, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(GOVATENT @ Jan 9 2009, 09:59 AM)
I call BS on microsoft. They never do what the people want. How many of us 360 owners would love to see a web browser on the 360. I would love a 360 add on, but knowing microsoft it would take me a lifetime to save up to buy one if it did come out.
if they release a browser the console will be hijacked straight away, it's not worth their time updating a browser when everyone has a PC Anywaqy.
Post by: Ranger72 on January 08, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
The next Xbox will have a Blu-Ray drive.
However this digital download is not the answer to blu-ray. I love using netflix on my 360 and I purchase HD movies from the video store on Live for a quick movie flick. But unless someone wants to download 50GB files every time they want a TRUE HD experience then blu-ray will be here to stay for a long time.
Watching a so called HD movie from a digital download is nowhere near the quality of a blu-ray movie.
Post by: echto on January 08, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE(GOVATENT @ Jan 8 2009, 02:59 PM)
I call BS on microsoft. They never do what the people want. How many of us 360 owners would love to see a web browser on the 360. I would love a 360 add on, but knowing microsoft it would take me a lifetime to save up to buy one if it did come out.
What MS fails to mention is the 'list of people' they're talking about are the MS employees sitting around the meeting table.
Do you seriously think the greater portion of xbox 360 owners in the world would have put a game like "Lips" on the list of things the xbox360 should have !!! I doubt it.
QUOTE(keystroke @ Jan 8 2009, 03:10 PM)
if they release a browser the console will be hijacked straight away, it's not worth their time updating a browser when everyone has a PC Anywaqy.
All the traffic will have to go through MS servers. Remember.... the traffic is encrypted. A browser will never happen because of that.
Post by: devguy on January 08, 2009, 03:54:00 PM
So I guess at one point in time HD-DVD was at the top of the list?
Post by: bucko on January 08, 2009, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on January 08, 2009, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Dark Seraph @ Jan 8 2009, 05:55 PM)
Post by: halofun121 on January 08, 2009, 04:43:00 PM
If you're reading this Microsoft, I WANT ONE!
Post by: Exobex on January 08, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Post by: Harteex on January 08, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
Oh and a fix for the DPAD... Don't care that much about Blu-Ray yet.
Post by: Roupus on January 08, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: DMAddict on January 08, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: InajaD on January 08, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on January 08, 2009, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(steveju @ Jan 8 2009, 04:24 PM)
I consider myself a Xbox 360 gamer and I wanted Blu-Ray so bad, I bought the PS3, because it was the cheapest player at that time.
My point is that sure, you can say that Xbox gamers don't want Blu-Ray anymore, because if they did, they would've purchased a PS3 or a stand-alone Blu-Ray player by now. I bet most people aren't so brand loyal that they wait untill Microsoft decides to come up with an addon to play Blu-Ray movies on it. That ship has sailed and Bach's comment is just a pathetic attempt to justify the absence of a Blu-Ray addon.
I second that.
Post by: YLA G on January 09, 2009, 03:31:00 AM
QUOTE(g8crapachino @ Jan 9 2009, 01:45 AM)
So tell them, where are all these people who want to browse the web on their 360's? You're making assumptions without any facts and your personal opinion doesn't count for the majority. Both the Wii and the Ps3 have web browsers and the number of people that use them to browse the net is pathetic at best.
There's an article on new.spong.com about this, search for "PS3 Beats Wii on Internet Use". The combined total for PS3 and Wii users using their consoles to browse the web is a paltry 0.05%. There are more people using cells phones to browse the internet then there are game consoles. In fact all previous attempts at TV based web browsing have proven to be complete failures. Given these real facts it's understandable why Microsoft isn't wasting their time to bring a browser to the the 360, there just isn't enough evidence to show that people would actually use it to make it worthwhile.
Euhm.. to all:
there is a difference between reel surfing (google, facebook, etc) and quickly checking news, weather on your big Full HD tv. So yes, I would like a thumb on the NXE to see the forecast, major nelson's RSS etc.. I am sure everyone would love it..
Indeed it never replaces a browser/pc but looking very fast to some info (also like walktroughs) is realy the future of your TV.
Anyway.. I buyed a Samsung bd-p1500 (there real cheap but good) but if there was an addon on my xbox tell me why I would'nt wanted that to buy??
Post by: MOE2FREAKY on January 09, 2009, 03:42:00 AM
QUOTE(steveju @ Jan 9 2009, 10:24 AM)
I consider myself a Xbox 360 gamer and I wanted Blu-Ray so bad, I bought the PS3, because it was the cheapest player at that time.
My point is that sure, you can say that Xbox gamers don't want Blu-Ray anymore, because if they did, they would've purchased a PS3 or a stand-alone Blu-Ray player by now. I bet most people aren't so brand loyal that they wait untill Microsoft decides to come up with an addon to play Blu-Ray movies on it. That ship has sailed and Bach's comment is just a pathetic attempt to justify the absence of a Blu-Ray addon.
Can the 360 handle a blu ray player? HD-DVD (Video/Audio/Subs) max is 30.24 Mbit/s while the max bit rate for Blu-ray is 48 Mbit/s?(Got that from Wiki) All that over a USB cable. I remember reading somewhere an article a while ago that HD-DVD was pushing the 360. I could be wrong. Meh
Post by: johnnyrico on January 09, 2009, 03:58:00 AM
-improved service for europeans, like a decent video marketplace instead of all that US exclusive discrimination bs, licensing my ass!
-improved codec support for media center extender
-bluray support(fuck that, I'm not buying a PS3 or another device for that, note how it's on place 3?)
-performance improvements to the dashboard
-NTFS support for USB drives
-improved XBL service
-price drop for arcade games and premium themes
-a decent way to use our old themes, get rid of that ugly grey floor and have different backgrounds for the my xbox, game marketplace, video marketplace and spotlight menus!
-RSS feeds on 360
-a browser
-more PC-360 interaction, why are there no games 360 owners can play online against PC users? sure racing games and RPG's shouldn't be a problem?
-more uses for the XBL vision camera
-PC drivers for the 360 wifi dongle!!!!
-chatpad support for the PC
Post by: MOE2FREAKY on January 09, 2009, 04:04:00 AM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Jan 9 2009, 10:34 PM)
I call BS, here's my list:
-improved service for europeans, like a decent video marketplace instead of all that US exclusive discrimination bs, licensing my ass!
-improved codec support for media center extender
-bluray support(fuck that, I'm not buying a PS3 or another device for that, note how it's on place 3?)
-performance improvements to the dashboard
-NTFS support for USB drives
-improved XBL service
-price drop for arcade games and premium themes
-a decent way to use our old themes, get rid of that ugly grey floor and have different backgrounds for the my xbox, game marketplace, video marketplace and spotlight menus!
-RSS feeds on 360
-a browser
-more PC-360 interaction, why are there no games 360 owners can play online against PC users? sure racing games and RPG's shouldn't be a problem?
-more uses for the XBL vision camera
-PC drivers for the 360 wifi dongle!!!!
-chatpad support for the PC
^Agreed. Call me a whinger but I just want the D-Pad fixed. Getting ready for street fighter 4.
Post by: sabbath_dude on January 09, 2009, 08:37:00 AM
Higher on my list of 360 features I want would be a simple web browser for checking mail/news/weather/facebook/youtube etc from my couch. Sure I have a PC for proper browsing and typing etc but the convenience of a simple built in browser very much appeals to me. Other features I'd like to see are better codec support, a D-pad that works properly, the sluggish guide loading problems fixed and more choice to customise the NXE themes.
Post by: gfxdreams on January 09, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
there would be a blue ray addon probally on the next generation xboxes. Or an Addon that would cost around $100-$150 i bet. these are just my opinions. None are facts I'v read.
It should be exciting to see what happens with the xbox since HD will soon be history.
-gfxdreans
Post by: Martinchris23 on January 09, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
I may or may not agree, but don't be putting words into my mouth. If I own a 360 and have an Xbox Live account, you can be sure I'm quite able to speak for myself. Next time you choose to reply on behalf of the 360 populous Mr Bach, be sure to actually ASK us.
Post by: trentdadi on January 09, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
I am not sure how anyone could know already if they would even want it or not. Who knows what would be possible or the best case scenario specs would be.
If you really want a blu-ray player, just go buy the samsung one someone stated earlier, it's a fantastic player and imo you can never go wrong with samsung.
Post by: Zod5000 on January 09, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
I figure the next xbox would have bluray built in though, as they'll need the extra storage capacity.
Post by: TMownsu on January 09, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: ubiman on January 09, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
QUOTE(TMownsu @ Jan 9 2009, 08:35 PM)
Ins't this the same people that told us we don't want HDMI? They should stop worring about what we want, & keep delivering like they have been.
More like "Stop thinking and assuming what we want and actually listening and asking what we want."
Post by: Grumbledock on January 10, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
*A web browser, (even if ie sucks)
*Support for mkv, (with subtitles/mp4 with subtitles) etc.
*And of course a bluray, even a cheap one would do just untill the stand alone gets cheap enogh to be worth buying (next consol 2010, how many dvds per game until then, 5? 7? 9?)
Post by: Chancer on January 10, 2009, 05:50:00 AM
QUOTE(trentdadi @ Jan 9 2009, 10:22 PM)
Last I heard, the HD-DVD add on saw a 2% attach rate and at the time was among the cheapest HD-DVD players as long as you already owned a 360. The attachment rate for a stand-alone Blu-ray player would be even less. Any add-on they make will be plagued by limitations. A good portion of xbox 360s in people's homes do not even have HDMI ports. It isn't impossible but it is very rare for a display device to be able to display 1080p over component. I do not think that Dolby TrueHD or DTS-Master would even be possible. There is just too many potential issues that would condemn the idea from the beginning. It would just never be as good as a stand-alone player could be.
It could be better by far than a standalone player. never out of date. permanently upgradeable via software updates. It could be anything they wished it to be. The price would be the limiting factor
QUOTE(trentdadi @ Jan 9 2009, 10:22 PM)
I am not sure how anyone could know already if they would even want it or not. ] Who knows what would be possible or the best case scenario specs would be.
Contradicts what you said above.
QUOTE(trentdadi @ Jan 9 2009, 10:22 PM)
If you really want a blu-ray player, just go buy the samsung one someone stated earlier, it's a fantastic player and imo you can never go wrong with samsung.
Be honest you haven't got one. You wouldn't say you could never go wrong with Samsung if you had to service their warranty covered equipment. They are ok for the money but not top notch stuff.ask any owner of one of their optical drives , how good the tray load mech is.?
Post by: manu_xl on January 11, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on January 11, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
QUOTE(keystroke @ Jan 9 2009, 12:10 AM)
if they release a browser the console will be hijacked straight away, it's not worth their time updating a browser when everyone has a PC Anywaqy.
I'm sick of these kind of responses. Nobody can prove that the browser would be hijacked right away (although I'm sure hackers would turn their attention towards it).
The Wii & the PS3 BOTH come bundled with a web browser. Aside from that, there's firmware hacks for EVERY dvd-drive that appears in a 360, so don't gimme that "what about piracy" crap, because frankly, I don't see how it could get any easier. The Wii has several hacks and chips as well, but I haven't seen much complaining on Nintendo's side, as they're still selling wiis to everyone (except for people I know). If the web browser is a guaranteed "hijack", then how come there's still no way to run unsigned code on a PS3 (save installing another OS and having it's RSX gimped)?
I'm not saying it would never happen, but it's just the worst arguement *not* to have a web browser.
Post by: brando56894 on January 11, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
QUOTE(MickRaider @ Jan 8 2009, 05:43 PM)
I think people would rather have digital download and cheaper larger hard drives.
There's really no reason it costs so much to increase your hard drive space.
there is a reason.... microsoft wants to screw you out of every single penny you have. for example $300-400 operating systems THAT YOU DONT LEGALLY OWN and $400 office suites. theyre in the business to make money not to satisfy consumer wants, which is a horrible business model but theyre able to do it since they have a huge market share.
Post by: YLA G on January 12, 2009, 04:08:00 AM
QUOTE(manu_xl @ Jan 11 2009, 06:39 PM)
in europe 90% still have a regular television. why would they like to have blueray if they cant watch the movies on a hdtv ?
lol where you from?
btw.. "how many % with an xbox 360 in europe have still a crt" is a more proper question
Post by: G19 on January 12, 2009, 04:30:00 AM
QUOTE(manu_xl @ Jan 11 2009, 04:39 PM)
in europe 90% still have a regular television. why would they like to have blueray if they cant watch the movies on a hdtv ?
Of the dozen or so people that I know here in the UK with a 360 only 1 doesn't have access to at least a 720p capable set, with 5 of those 12 having a full 1080p set.
Personally I only have a 32" 720p LCD so BluRay wouldn't be worth the extra expense. When I get a bigger full HD set though I will buy a standalone. I would prefer an addon to the 360 if it was comparable in price/features.
Post by: hamwbone on January 12, 2009, 04:46:00 AM
rant off
can some one explain to me what the big deal is about mkv? i have never played one before but the 360 had played things my ps3 spit back at me. Divx was handing out (for free!!!) free divx pro serials a few months back, 100% legal, and use that to encode my shit, works fine. what is this mkv buisness though? (pardon my ignornace, hehe, i used to be a real nerd i swear!)
Post by: G19 on January 12, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(hamwbone @ Jan 12 2009, 12:22 PM)
can some one explain to me what the big deal is about mkv? i have never played one before but the 360 had played things my ps3 spit back at me. Divx was handing out (for free!!!) free divx pro serials a few months back, 100% legal, and use that to encode my shit, works fine. what is this mkv buisness though? (pardon my ignornace, hehe, i used to be a real nerd i swear!)
It's just a container like avi/mp4/mov etc, except that it has become pretty much the format of choice for HDTV caps and BD/HD DVD rips. Thus it is a very important format for a lot of people. It also offers advantages over other older container formats, and it would be a great move if we could play them natively, without the need for all the conversion/re-encoding crap.
http://matroska.org/