Post by: VooD on July 19, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
The package name is: XDVDFSToolsv2.0.rar (look for it at the usual places) and includes extensive documentation about each supported command in a pdf file, so I´ll center in the basic file layout dumping and iso making from an original disc.
You´ll need two files from the package:
- LayoutDumper.xbe : this is the Xbox executable dumper, its purpose is to save the disc file layout structure to a file so Xdvdfs_maker can use it to replicate the original structure.
- xdvdfs_maker.exe : the windows command line executable used to build the optimized iso.
Let start:
- Rename LayoutDumper.xbe to default.xbe and transfer it to your Xbox
- Insert a game disc, and load the new Xbox app you sent from your dashboard
- Now you should see a basic interface, (A) to dump and ( B ) to back, we´ll it´s pretty obvious what you want to do here. Push the (A) button and wait for the dvd drive to stop reading.
- The layout file will be saved at the folder where dumper´s xbe is.
- Push ( B ) to back to your dashboard.
- Make a temporary folder on your pc´s hard disk. Let say C:\XBOX, and also another folder inside this one where the game files will be transfered: C:\XBOX\GAME
- Copy xdvdfs_maker.exe and yout newly created .lyt file to C:\XBOX
- Transfer all the game disc files to C:\XBOX\GAME via FTP (at this point maybe is a good idea to remove media checks)
- Now open a command line console (Start -> Run -> CMD.EXE), and change your dir to C:\XBOX\
- Type:
| CODE |
| xdvdfs_maker -pad -order yourorder.lyt -newlayoutformat -opt1 C:\XBOX\GAME XBOX.ISO |
(change yourorder.lyt by the name of your file, use "" if the filename has spaces: Ninja Gaiden.lyt -> "Ninja Gaiden.lyt", or just delete those spaces)
- Push enter twice.
- Now wait for the iso to be completed, be sure you have enought space, as will fill a entire dvd-r, 4483 mb.
Finally you´ll have a 4.3 gb XBOX.ISO file on C:\XBOX ready to be burnt whith your usual burning software.
Remember you wont get any significative improvement if the disc you want to backup is not original, as probably lost any original optimization when was built for backup purposes. In this case you´ll only benefit from padding the files, so the overall read speed could be a bit better. If the disc you are trying to optimize is a backup and you still want to get some improvement, either ask somebody with the original disc to dump the layout for you, or manually edit the layout in a more logic way thant the standart order by filename. (also, notice not every Xbox original game was layout optimized by their developers. Panzer Dragoon is one of them, so manually editing the layout could improve the times and head movement). I´ll post some tips for manually optimizing layouts later.
I´ve setup a simple site where you can upload/download your layout files so other people could rebuild their non-optimized isos. Now there is only two layouts, but will be more if people collaborates.
http://xboxlyt.freeunixhost.com
Feel free to ask questions and report bugs to this topic.
p.d.: excuse my simple english :P
This post has been edited by VooD on Jul 20 2004, 11:14 PM
Post by: AgentEB on July 19, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
keep up the good work
Post by: amps on July 19, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
Weren't ya'll going to start a thread with optimized layout files? Where we could attach our own layouts? Let us know....
Post by: VooD on July 20, 2004, 06:42:00 AM
, any idea? Maybe a temporary forum on a free server with attach files on?
Post by: dbldown768 on July 20, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
As far as posting these files somewhere, right now the only idea i was think of is maybe some yahoo briefcase or something. i know they give 30mb, its not much, but it's a start. It early here, maybe later i can come up with something better.
There's also a site called Znail, that with a $10 donation you can get 50 mb.
This post has been edited by dbldown768 on Jul 20 2004, 03:22 PM
Post by: VooD on July 20, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: amps on July 20, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
This was thrown extremley quickly so please don't mind... I would like a process for layout files to come through, I'll be setting up an email for this case... until then if you would like one to be added please just post it and I'll take care of it... I'm at work and I can't do alot or spend alot of time on it...
Realize there are pages missing because I don't have files for them, I'll be creating them as I go.
Xbox Layout Files
If somebody know's how to do a better job a designing a web page please do so and give it to me, I'll publish it.... Thankx to Rahszul, I kinda used his site as a template..... I hope he doesn't mind.
Post by: amps on July 20, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: VooD on July 20, 2004, 03:34:00 PM
http://xboxlyt.freeunixhost.com/index.php
This will be the official web for uploading layout files, till CloneXB and XBDVDFS_Tools are in final stage.
Regards.
This post has been edited by VooD on Jul 20 2004, 10:41 PM
Post by: ncasebee on July 20, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: VooD on July 20, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (ncasebee @ Jul 21 2004, 03:59 AM) |
| Wonderful. Everyone get uploading now. I'll be uploading every original I have shortly. Things are finally starting to come together. A great day for the scene. |
Would be greater if clonexb could had time to release a usuable version of CloneXB.
Anyway I believe the new tools are not having as much movement at the scene as should have if we want them to be the usual way to make backups in a near future....
Post by: amps on July 20, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
Keep up the good work guy's!
Post by: ncasebee on July 20, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
-Vood you are admin of the new site correct. Could you make it so that we can see if there is anything in the lettered directories. I want to see when someone has uploaded new stuff. I can't click 32 times on A-Z to see if there is anything new.
This post has been edited by ncasebee on Jul 21 2004, 04:14 AM
Post by: jonnyschultze on July 21, 2004, 12:34:00 AM
I do have a question - I've been using Quix - because I only have about 5 gigs free space on my PC to work with in building an iso, and it seemed that the only way i could build a large iso is my directly ftp-to-image (building an iso using the files on the xbox and ftping on the fly). Is there any way I can get around my problem currently, using CloneXB or XDVDFS_tools? all help is definately appreciated! ~JS
Post by: VooD on July 21, 2004, 08:18:00 AM
Anyway BUY A HARD DISK!!!! lol you can get 160gb for about 100 in everywere <
Post by: ncasebee on July 23, 2004, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: VooD on July 23, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (ncasebee @ Jul 23 2004, 05:44 PM) |
| No one has posted any layouts. |
Nope
I think the new web should be "xbox-scened" if we want people to start posting.
Btw yesterday I talked with HSDEMONZ and he told me he has some doubts about posting layouts cause "people could upload intentionally broken layouts" ....
Either people doesnt realize the advantages of this method or they are too lazy to use command line tools
Maybe this could change when the updated CloneXB is released.
Post by: toaks on July 27, 2004, 02:31:00 AM
Also, it would be helpfull if you could fix the dumper program to allow you to dump more than 1 game without reseting the program. If you rip more than 1 at the moment, it names the second file _.lyt. Thanks!! Neo
Post by: VooD on July 27, 2004, 07:40:00 AM
I loaded the dumper, then inserted mitdtown madness 3, dumped the layout, then I changed the disc for Halo, and the layout also was dumped correctly.
The only known bug I can confirm about the dumper is the fact it fails to dump games with very very long names.
Try again with different games.
Post by: toaks on July 27, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: toaks on July 27, 2004, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on July 27, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: toaks on July 28, 2004, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: toaks on July 28, 2004, 12:59:00 AM
Post by: toaks on July 28, 2004, 01:04:00 AM
Post by: toaks on July 28, 2004, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: VooD on July 28, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (toaks @ Jul 28 2004, 10:02 AM) |
| Hey VooD, give me a step by step for uploading to you. I can FTP, e-mail, or whatever other method you want, just let me know what you need. Thanks!! |
The web has an uploading system, just sign up and upload the files to the correct directory.
Post by: toaks on July 28, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: toaks on July 29, 2004, 02:24:00 AM
Did you get the file VooD? Haven't seen em up yet, so just wanted to make sure you got them. Thanks!!
Post by: VooD on July 29, 2004, 07:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (toaks @ Jul 29 2004, 10:24 AM) |
| Hope they went to the right place. Didn't see where to specify what folder they went to. These were made with the 2.0 tools. I noticed there is a bugfix version up now?. Will they still be ok, or do I need to redo them with the newer version? Thanks! Did you get the file VooD? Haven't seen em up yet, so just wanted to make sure you got them. Thanks!! |
There is nothing new uploaded to xboxlyt since a pair of days, so I guess you made a mistake or something. Just sign up, login browse to the folder you want and upload the file.
Post by: toaks on July 29, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: rhayman on July 29, 2004, 05:30:00 PM
Thanks to vood i followed the tutorial on his site and now ninja gaiden rocks, all the fmv's play perfectly and i am yet to get a dirty disc error. :D
Post by: VooD on July 29, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (toaks @ Jul 29 2004, 10:44 PM) |
| ok. got it. The file was too big. didn't realise there was a limit. |
Ops , sorry, now the limit is 1000kb
I´ve already moved each layout to its directory, sadly they lost the uploader info
So either I set them manually one by one, or I let the uploader name in blank
Post by: VooD on July 29, 2004, 06:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (rhayman @ Jul 30 2004, 01:30 AM) |
| Thankyou to who ever created this tool, it rocks. I was having major problems backing up ninja gaiden. The FMV's where jumping all over the place and i kept getting dirty disc errors. I wasted about 3 dvd's thinking it was a bad burn. Thanks to vood i followed the tutorial on his site and now ninja gaiden rocks, all the fmv's play perfectly and i am yet to get a dirty disc error. |
Did you use my manually optimized layout + padding?
Post by: moobar on July 29, 2004, 08:02:00 PM
MooGUI v1.0b up'd to layout site.
See here for more info
Post by: VooD on July 29, 2004, 11:07:00 PM
And also, I updated a bit the site, so I can add info easily.
Post by: toaks on July 30, 2004, 02:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Jul 29 2004, 06:39 PM) |
| Ops , sorry, now the limit is 1000kb I´ve already moved each layout to its directory, sadly they lost the uploader info So either I set them manually one by one, or I let the uploader name in blank |
Thanks for the mention on your site, glad I could help. What did you mean by the files lost thier uploader info? Anyway, just a quick note. Blinx, Simpsons road rage, and Project gotham racing are Platinum Hits discs. Didnt know if that would make a difference or not.
Post by: moobar on July 30, 2004, 06:40:00 AM
For MooGUI Ive added a few thing already since im working on the optimization side of things.
- Ability to rebuild an original modified layout file to almost its original state (ie like your Ninja Gaiden), Im not criticizing it, just thought it would be nice feature to have for power users.
- Even more thorough file format checking (since we have the ability to edit these layouts)
- Make a layout file from a game folder on your HD so you can manually optimize it, though I'll provide the file size in the output.
- Ability to move dashupdate, update, downloader to beginning of disc
- Ability to move \media to beginning of disc (caveat, only available if \media contains only arialuni.ttf, dlcustom.xpr, sound.xsb, and wave.xwb) Ive seen some games that put other stuff in this folder.
- Ability to move \Xdemos or \demos to beginning of disc.
If you can think of any other easy optimizations let me know.
On a side note, I have been pondering on FTP, CloneXB made it look so cool and easy, too bad it doesnt work for me. But, more than likely MooGUI will not have FTP as that wasnt the original focus of it. But then again...
Post by: VooD on July 30, 2004, 02:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (toaks @ Jul 30 2004, 11:22 AM) |
| Thanks for the mention on your site, glad I could help. What did you mean by the files lost thier uploader info? Anyway, just a quick note. Blinx, Simpsons road rage, and Project gotham racing are Platinum Hits discs. Didnt know if that would make a difference or not. |
I also don´t know if there is a difference. I´ll add the info anyway, thanx.
About the uploader info, if you look at the right of a file at the web you can see the name of its uploader. As I moved the files using ftp, there is no uploader name in yours.
Post by: VooD on July 30, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| - Ability to rebuild an original modified layout file to almost its original state (ie like your Ninja Gaiden), Im not criticizing it, just thought it would be nice feature to have for power users. |
Well,notice in Ninja Gaiden´s case the "original" disc was a release from a warez group, so the original layout was completly lost, thats the reason I had to do a manual optimization to improve disc speed and noise.
Also I use to optimize layouts from files on my pc´s hd using the -ordercreate option to generate a plain layout ordered by name. In that case you also couldn´t back to the original state.
I believe is not a good idea, as will confuse a bit users, and of course if you want the original layout you can download it from the web. Using a manually modified layout to get the original is a risky operation in every situation.
Btw, did you read my pm´s about moogui malfunctioning?
| QUOTE |
| Layout site looks great! |
Now looks like a site lol, before was just a php file manager.
Thanx
Post by: Vejita on July 30, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
Can you fix it?
Post by: Vejita on July 30, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: moobar on July 30, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
MooGUI will be taken offline, until major bugs can be worked out.
Post by: Vejita on July 30, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: moobar on July 30, 2004, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on July 30, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
Well there is another bug I noticed
You can't extract an ISO to the root of any drive ie C:\ or D:\
The error message that pops up is: [DM_ENOGAMEFOLDER] Game folder not found or specified
I think you should be able to extract to root since the program creates a folder with the same name as the ISO anyway.
Post by: moobar on July 30, 2004, 09:04:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| You can't extract an ISO to the root of any drive ie C:\ or D:\ |
Found the bug, and another one along the way. Will release when I look over all the other drive\folder routines.
Post by: Vejita on July 31, 2004, 01:45:00 PM
They take longer than usual to bootup and some of my games (Unreal Champ, Crazy Taxi 3, Blood Wake) go to my UnleashX dash where I have to click launch DVD to load the game since the bios gives up trying to boot it since it probably takes too long to find the default.xbe.
Post by: Vejita on July 31, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
Well I just burnt Grand Theft Auto III with the layout and pad option and it runs so smooth now although sometimes for the Pause/Menu screen it says "Please wait..." and then shows 2 secs later but I believe that is normal behaviour otherwise the "please wait" screen wouldn't be there.
Another thing.
I have an Xenium ICE modchip with OS 2.0 on it and I have fast boot enabled, its the only way to go directly to the XBOX bios.
To enable this you press the power button, the eject button takes you back to te Xenium OS so I can't power on the XBOX with the eject button and insert the disc as fast so maybe thats why the padded discs boot up late although unpadded games load without problems.
Padded games run fine if the disc is already in the drive before powering up the XBOX.
Also if I make my own padded disc using a big dummy file called 0.0 then the same media boots up without any problems so the problem must reside in the way XDVDFS pads and creates an ISO.
Post by: moobar on July 31, 2004, 07:08:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It seems somebody needs better betatesting before releasing |
You are the beta testing team
Another concern I had over the -pad option was that it pushes everything all the way out to the outer most of the disc, but on DVD-Video I always leave an extra 100mb of empty space out there. But of course that might be a differetnt story compared to data DVD's.
I'll try a small game with the -pad option.
Post by: VooD on July 31, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (moobar @ Aug 1 2004, 04:11 AM) |
| You are the beta testing team Another concern I had over the -pad option was that it pushes everything all the way out to the outer most of the disc, but on DVD-Video I always leave an extra 100mb of empty space out there. But of course that might be a differetnt story compared to data DVD's. I'll try a small game with the -pad option. |
There is no reason to left space on the end of the disc other than the one tha m$ itself tells: "to avoid kids to scratch the discs by taking them touching the external part of the disc" lol
Thats one of the reason xbox disc are not completly filled...funny isn´t ?
Well, I think we all are adults and know the way in which disc should be taken, so padding till the very last byte is not a problem for us. Anyway a disc never had real data til the very end, as there is always a portion of the disc used to write the lead out.
Post by: Vejita on July 31, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (moobar @ Aug 1 2004, 03:11 AM) |
| I'll try a small game with the -pad option. |
Please do, I would like to see the results since I believe padded games with XDVDFS boot slower because they have to seek to the end of the DVD for the filesystem to load the default.xbe.
I tried the same burnt discs on my friends XBOX which has a Samsung drive and the game booted at the same speed as on my xbox ie it went to the dash then loaded up.
VooD, I told you how I padded my own discs that have no boot delay problems.
| QUOTE |
| Also if I make my own padded disc using a big dummy file called 0.0 then the same media boots up without any problems |
I use DummyFile to create a pad file which will make the resulting disc add up to 4300MB. I call the file 0.0 so it is the very first "file" to be written to the disc.
I used to do this with most of my Dreamcast games to 79:59:00 MSF so padding games isn't new to me
Post by: VooD on August 01, 2004, 07:38:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I use DummyFile to create a pad file which will make the resulting disc add up to 4300MB. I call the file 0.0 so it is the very first "file" to be written to the disc. |
I cant believe after so much talking about layouts and optimizations you thought a file called 0.0 would be put by xdvdfs_maker at the beggining of the disc. First of all, you should have included it to the layout file, as otherwise would not be on the final iso.
And of course you have to setup that file as the first one on the layout file.
And I repeat, I have Thomson dvd reader, and an aladdin chip with xecuter2 bios and my padded games works perfect, they never go to the dash, and load as fast as the originals.
Maybe is a problem of your burner or the software you use to burn the isos.
Post by: Vejita on August 01, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 1 2004, 03:41 PM) |
| I cant believe after so much talking about layouts and optimizations you thought a file called 0.0 would be put by xdvdfs_maker at the beggining of the disc. First of all, you should have included it to the layout file, as otherwise would not be on the final iso. |
LOL!
You have completely misunderstood.
I know how to use XDVDFS tools with and without the GUI now thanks to MooBars batch files I understand fully how it works with commandline.
I was just telling you that "MY METHOD" of padding a XBOX game using a BIG FILE called 0.0 doesn't cause a SLOW BOOTUP.
The 0.0 dummy file has NOTHING to do with XDVDFS. I used SimpleX ISO v0.3 to rebuild my own padded game image which have no problems booting up.
Hope that clears things up with you
Post by: Vejita on August 01, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
and moobars GUI reports the layout can't be optimised on a 1 layer disc, it needs to be dual layer.
Post by: Vejita on August 01, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 2 2004, 12:38 AM) |
| I see you still not understanding the process. |
Please don't make false assumptions.
I know exactly what the layout files are for.
Over 2 years ago I used to optimize my Dreamcast games using the equivalent of layout files known as sorttxt files, thats why I am interested in this XBOX layout project too but it has its flaws so far.
A snippet of a DC sorttxt:
data/1ST_READ.BIN 1
data/0GDTEX.PVR 2
data/SONG01.AFS 3
data/BINC1.AFS 4
data/BINC2.AFS 5
data/VOICE01.AFS 6
data/BINC3.AFS 7
data/LANDDC2.AFS 8
data/LANDDC1.AFS 9
I just don't want to use any more layout files until the slow bootup problem is fixed. I took the same problematic discs to a friends house and tried them on his new gen Philips drive equipped xbox and it also boots up slowly ie going to dash then booting straight away. The problem doesn't appear if the DVD is already in the drive before pwering up the xbox.
I burnt the same games on 3 different types of DVD-R, Ritek, Princo, AN31 and all yield the same results :/
Oh well, I'll just wait for a status update from moobar.
Post by: Vejita on August 01, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
I installed the latest EvoX M8 BIOS and all the padded games boot like the rest of my games ie normal and fast
Post by: Vejita on August 02, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: moobar on August 02, 2004, 11:44:00 AM
Fixed:
- Extract ISO bug
Added:
- Optimization tab
->Layer optimize layouts without creating batch files and doing checks (Note: the
same as in the 'Make ISO' tab but it doesnt do checks, and doesnt create a
batch file.)
->Build a layout from a game folder on the PC
->Check layouts for format errors. (Note: this check is also automatically done
when you open a layout file in the 'Make ISO' tab)
-Status window now gives more information about what files it created, the files
its going to use, and where it put it.
Removed:
- 'Apply Layout' option, MooGUI now requires a layout file to create a batch file.
- Drag and Drop capability, this introduced an ugly bug when using network paths.
It may be added back at a later time.
In The Works:
- File association (optional)
- Move X\Demos (\Xdemos, \Demos, etc)
- Move MS XBEs (dashupdate, update, download, etc)
Post by: moobar on August 02, 2004, 11:49:00 AM
Its still marked as BETA, so always use the 'Create Batch File Only' option and check your batch file and layout files.
P.S.S
Vejita, I havent burnt a small game yet, but you seemed to have fixed the problem.
Post by: Vejita on August 02, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
VooD, word needs to get out to more people stressing how important it is to pad games and apply the original layout structure to them
No wonder most people play games from the XBOX HD coz their DVD discs are soooo unoptimised
Still, even padding and applying sorttxt to Dreamcast games wasn't that popular amongst "casual gamers"
BTW the link to the Oddworld Munch's Oddysey layout is broken
Post by: Vejita on August 02, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 2 2004, 11:48 PM) |
| Btw, I checked munch´s . The problem was the ´ It seems the script I use for file management doesnt like that. I removed the symbol and now works. |
Yeah, I did actually mention this problem with the link on the last post of page 3 in this thread but looks like you missed it
Post by: VooD on August 02, 2004, 06:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (ncasebee @ Aug 3 2004, 03:24 AM) |
| Full Spectrum Warrior. Wow. A 1:1 backup can be achieved due to it's being only one layer. With the XDVDFS_Tools I have made my first true 1:1 backup. |
Glad to see you still here ncaseebe
Post by: moobar on August 02, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
Since bugs are scarce, start thinking about the UI.
-Any suggestions to improve it
-Any areas that are confusing or misleading
-Any additional checks you'd like to see
-Of course any you see thats not consistent with the rest of the program
As far as integrating xdvdfs_* into MooGUI was a thought of mine when I first started but brushed it off, I'll put it back on the table.
Vood: On the main news page of xbox-scene is a link to submit news articles. Be sure to submit your site and maybe also this thread. I dunno though, I've never submitted a news article but its worth a try.
Post by: moobar on August 03, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 3 2004, 12:54 PM) |
| I would change "optimize"by: Move layer 1 files: - Normal -Inverted |
That makes sense and would lessen some confusion or at least clear it up.
Post by: moobar on August 03, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 3 2004, 12:54 PM) |
| I tryed once to submit info about the web and the thread but I got no answer. Maybe thei ear you if you talk about your gui. |
Once I finish the 'Move X\Demos' and 'Move MS XBEs' I'll finalize MooGUI with 1.1 and write up a full description with install instructions for you to post at the layout site. Then I'll send that info to the 'Submit News' and maybe that will get their attention.
So in the mean time try all variations of all options to try and find any last bugs.
For the 1.1 non-beta release I'll package everything into one rar for easy install.
Post by: moobar on August 03, 2004, 02:48:00 PM
when you backup the backup DVD to harddrive you wont have that stuff.
Any other simple automatic optimizations youd like to see?
X\Demos and MS XBE's (live and dashupdate stuff) are
the only consistent folders\files I can think of.
Post by: pelago on August 04, 2004, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: moobar on August 04, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (pelago @ Aug 4 2004, 01:58 PM) |
| Re: deleting files, I'm sure it's safe to delete the Xbox Live dashupdate.xbe, update.xbe, downloader.xbe things, but I've got a feeling there's at least one game that doesn't like the demos being deleted... |
True... Thats why I have thrown in 3 message boxes to confirm before it will do it.
1st message box -> Are you sure you want to do this?
2nd -> Did you even check if it will work without these files?
3rd -> You're lying your pants off! But to be certain click yes one more time.
Hello clonexb, nice to see you back. The problems I had with clonexb was something about 'game size too big to fit onto a DVD-5' and 'Downloading via FTP', it would konk out saying unable to read/download file. I was so excited in xdvdfs thats when I decided to do MooGUI while you were away, command prompt stuff drives me crazy.
Post by: ncasebee on August 04, 2004, 12:59:00 PM
However, I still am not happy. The original is pretty quiet. The Ritek is louder, and the TDK is loudest. I guess media is what causes the noise. Which media should I try next,or what should I try next. I know the Xbox drive was not meant to read burned discs, and this is probably why I get this noise. How about your guy's noise? Those pots tempt me, and a modified DVD-Rom tempts me. I want quiet.
Anyway the XDVDFS_maker worked well.Any suggestions for the Media is welcome. I almost want to tweak the pots, but I know that I'm not supposed to do that if my media does load. I don't know what else to do. I guess I am a little bit anal.
What do you think of having one of these just in case. That price is pretty cheap, usually they go for $50 up.New New MIB Thomson
Post by: VooD on August 04, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Hello, Our administrators are currently working on the problem. The problem should be solved very soon. Sorry for the delay and the inconvenience caused. Best Regards, Stoyan 100WebSpace Team |
I just hope they didnt lost the data
Post by: VooD on August 05, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
Post by: amps on August 06, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
Post by: VooD on August 06, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (amps @ Aug 6 2004, 09:33 PM) |
| It's off again! |
And now is up again.
We are trying to get a better host. Be patient
Post by: Jamaicanyouth on August 07, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: VooD on August 07, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Jamaicanyouth @ Aug 7 2004, 05:56 PM) |
| Also when creating the backup iso, does it pad the games with dummy files? |
I don´t understand the question....
If you are refering to games that already had dummy files for padding, using -pad option, will add more padding to fill an entire dvd-r
Post by: Vejita on August 07, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jamaicanyouth @ Aug 7 2004, 04:56 PM) |
| Also when creating the backup iso, does it pad the games with dummy files? |
No, it won't physically add any files to the TOC, all the padding does is move the filesystem towards the outer edge of the DVD but obviously you wont get much padding from a game that is already huge in size like Crimson Skies.
Basically if you pad a 1.2GB game, when you want to rip it to the XBOX hard drive, it will only copy 1.2GB of game data, not 4.37GB.
Post by: moobar on August 07, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jamaicanyouth @ Aug 7 2004, 04:56 PM) |
| ...does it pad the games with dummy files? |
No, no dummy files are added. It just pushes everything out. If you were to extract a padded ISO you will get the same exact files you put in.
On another note, latest version of MooGUI sent to Vood.
| QUOTE |
| Notes for v1.0.3b - The 'Optimize' tab has been removed in favor of right-click context menus - Context menu for 'Game Folder' now shows * Latest game folders * Build layout option - Context menu for 'Layout File' now shows * Relevant layouts if a game folder is selected * Latest layouts if not - Added 'Optimize and Verify' context button, (looks like a gear) it shows * Type 1 layer optimization * Type 2 layer optimization * Move X\Demos folder * Verify layout file (this verify is already done during final batch creation) * Verify game folder (see above) - MooGUI now checks for X\Demos files and allows you to move them to the front. A warning will pop-up if you havent layer optimized first (on layouts that can) - The form no longer freezes when checking 'Verify Game Folder', maybe - MooGUI now checks the integrity of layout files. It makes sure every folder and file has a defined directory. (I botched one of my ISOs when this happened to me, I forgot or somehow misplaced a directory during manual optimization and xdvdfs_maker gives no warning to that fact) - MooGUI currently uses no registry settings, only an INI file. To uninstall just delete MooGUI. - Many changes took place in MooGUI, so your old INI file will be zapped if found. - Other things I cant remember, just right-click every thing to find out. |
Post by: moobar on August 07, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: moobar on August 08, 2004, 06:01:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Notes for v1.0.4b: - Added simple media patcher, which is also customizable from the INI file. You can access this from the Game Folder context menu after selecting a game folder. A dialog will pop open showing any XBEs that are located in the root folder and 2 folders deep. The little icon to the left of the dialog will let you switch between 'Patch' and 'Restore', and also view the actual patches themselves. This dialog also supports inverted colors. * Option Icon Context Menu ** Patch - Shows a listing of all XBEs within 2 folders deep. Check any or all XBEs to be patched. An original will be created if the file can be patched (filename.xbe_orig) ** Restore - Shows a listing of all XBEs that are filename.xbe_orig and allows you to restore them back to filename.xbe, The scan depth of this option is the same as the Patch option (2 default) ** View Patches - Outputs to the log window all patches that it tries. Currently there is 2 patches, Media Check Short & Long. ** Edit Patches - This option is disabled, if you want to add a patch for some reason, like the FATX check (not needed for DVD-backups) you can, just edit the INI file. Currently the patch system only finds and replaces the first occurrence only. This is all that is needed for the Media Check for old bioses. Though personally Ive never had to patch a media check but Ive included the option for those of you that need to. If you want to edit the INI file to add patches, here is the format. #=PATCHNAME|FINDHEX|REPLACEHEX Currently in the INI file you will see (after running v1.0.4b): [PATCHER] 1=Media Patch Long|744BE8CAFDFFFF85C07D0633C05050EB44F605|744BE8CAFDFFFF85C0EB0633C05050EB44F605 2=Media Patch Short|E8CAFDFFFF85C07D|E8CAFDFFFF85C0EB So to add on you would just do 3=My Jenny Patch|8675309EE9|4A454E4E59 Of course this is just an example, If you dont understand it then you probably shouldnt be playing with it. Users of DVD2XBOX will see some familiarity. In the INI file you will also find PatchScanDepth=2 This is the scan depth in folders it will search for XBEs, 2 is usually enough. For instance, most demos are housed in \Xdemos\GameName\game.xbe If you want to catch them all for some paranoid reason then change it to something like 20. NOTE: CURRENTLY ALL PATCHES WILL BE RUN ON EVERY FILE SELECTED. Meaning, you cannot select just a certain patch to be applied. In a future release I'll be planning on supporting ACL files. |
Post by: moobar on August 08, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
For what I thought about ACL integration was for file optimization and not deleteion. ACL files mostly list files that can be removed safely to get the disc size down. But in the case of of DVD backups, we dont need to worry about space, long file names, or FATX patching.
The only commands I was going to support was the RM (Remove Dir) and the EP (Exclude Path) BUT NOT as deleting (as the commands suggest) but rather as an "optimization" to move those files to the front or beginning of the disc layout. Currently I dont plan to have MooGUI "delete" any layout files automatically, Id like not to be on the receiving end of hate emails for layouts that dont work because they didnt do their homework to check if it really worked or not from HDD or DVDRW.
MooGUI will have a editor, but trying to come up with a more novel and easier way to edit than Windows Notepad is rather difficult, plus the basis of the editor is that it has to support such games as Kotor (15,000+ files) and Furious Karting (25,000+ files) without bogging down the system.
Vood> just resent v1.0.4b again via email
Post by: VooD on August 09, 2004, 05:20:00 AM
Also, I just received 4b version.
Post by: moobar on August 10, 2004, 03:55:00 AM
The editor works quite nice, it has the standard bells and whistles, multiselect drag-n-drop reordering, cut, insert, delete, move first/last, move up, move down. At the moment im working on the search function, and the split window function.
The major re-write im going through at the moment is reworking the code so the user doesnt have to save the layout everytime they make a change. Rather my vision is to have it work like a real editor. Edit, edit, and more edits then save when you want to.
Its coming together nicely, will release when the re-write of the saving function is finished and I'll save the split window, search functions for another day.
Post by: Heykrop on August 10, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
I was recently using XDVDFS 2.01b and had an issue with creating ISO's with the -pad option. Every immage I tried to create with that enabled would throw an error in NERO that the ISO had the wrong table size based on it's content, or something like that. If I opened the ISO in any of the XBFS ISO viewers there were no files contained in the immage. It was like a big 4.5 gig dummy file. Not using the -pad option resulted in the immages being fine and buning properly. The titles I was backing up were Ghost Recon ( Roughly 700mb ) and Sudeki ( Roughly 3.7 Gig ) Here are the details of my system. XP Pro, 1 Gig of Ram, Original files on a NTFS drive and creating the ISO to another NTFS drive.
Hope this helps. Keep up the awesome work. I love this tool. It's nice not having to wait for ever for a backup to load. Or to have to hear the drive making a horrible noise as it tries to jump from one edge of the disk to another becasue the files are out of order.
Post by: Heykrop on August 10, 2004, 10:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 10 2004, 09:34 AM) |
| CloneXB really is going to have a bad time triying to keep its features at the same level than MooGUI lol. good job. To Heykrop: First notice of that, I have several patched disc and many other people also have them, and we never had that kind of problems. Maybe is a bug relaed to something strange in Ghost Recon and Sudeki structures...but I believe its pretty hard you have found the same bug in the only games you have tryed to optimize. Did you tryed any other game?, I havent those games so I cant confirm your problems, everything I can say at the moment is I never had similar problems with raw dumps. Were you using XBDVDFS_Maker or did you used throught MooGUI? |
I tried MooGUI at first and thinking that it may be the casue of the problem I had reverted back to using the command line. I had done other discs using XBDVDFS_Maker but they were all in the 4.5 + gig range and did not need -pad option. My process was. Use layout dumper on xbox. FTP originals files to PC. Use XBDVDFS_Maker with layout to create ISO with no changes to the layout. Using -pad would create a full 4.5Gig ISO but NERO would then complain that there was a problem with it. not using the -pad option made an ISO equivalent to the size of the originals content and NERO reproted no problems. The way the error in NERO was worded it also offered to try and correct the problem as an option. I had not tried this though. I am wondering if there may me something about the overall size of the content of the two discs that had a problem when XBDVDFS_Maker was making the ISO a multiple of 32. Not sure just a guess.
Post by: moobar on August 10, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| ...The titles I was backing up were Ghost Recon ( Roughly 700mb ) and Sudeki ( Roughly 3.7 Gig ) Here are... |
I just made a backup of Sudeki to DVD-R using:
-MooGUI v1.0.4b
-Xdvdfs v2.01b
-Dvd Decrypter v3.2.3.0
and all is fine, runs fast, runs quiet.
Note: I loaded the ISO in Nero and it didnt popup with any errors.
Here are the details of the final ISO:
-4,689,979,392 Bytes
-Loads fine in Quix and Dvd Decrypter and Nero
-Pad option used
-Layer optimization type 1 (reordered with MooGUI and not the -opt1 tag)
-No files patched
-No files removed (Full DVD)
-Windows XP Pro SP1
Post by: moobar on August 11, 2004, 11:58:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Notes: - Added ACL file compatibilty. MooGUI now supports EP (Exclude file\path) commands as 'Move First File Optmization' rather than the literal command to eclude them. To load an ACL file be sure load the game folder first so MooGUI can pull the Title ID of the game to make it easier for you to find, since naming of ACL files are done by Title ID. MooGUI does not support any other ACL commands, only EP, all others are ignored. Once loaded, MooGUI will present you with the "ACL Editor" from which you can rearrange the ACL files, or if you want to remove something (you dont want it to move to the top). To put it in simplest terms, MooGUI will move only the files that are in the editor when you click OK. If you delete a file in the ACL editor it wont move it. Simple eh? - Added "Layout Editor", with basic editting commands, cut, insert, delete, drag-n-drop reordering. It is from here if you delete a file it will be removed from the layout when you click OK. At this time the layout editor doesnt have an 'add file' capability (coming soon). MooGUI wont let you save over the layout file you originally openned. If you open a layout and make changes it will ask you once during this session to save the changes to another file, from this point on any changes will be saved to the new file you selected, this behavior is different from previous versions where it would always ask to save to a new file. - Added, Various pop up messages and warnings about optimization and editting. You will be able to suppress these messages in a future version. - Added more context menus, right click to find them. - One thing to note, MooGUI makes use of previous folder settings to find the right file for you when openning files. To best take advantage of this is to always use the same folder for the specified content, for example: C:\Xbox\Game Folders C:\Xbox\Layout Files C:\Xbox\ACL Files C:\Xbox\ISO Files - When first running MooGUI v1.0.5b your old INI file will be zapped. |
Sent to Vood for uploading
P.S. We're still in Beta mode, so watch them layouts.
Post by: moobar on August 12, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (ncasebee @ Aug 13 2004, 06:34 AM) |
| Quiet did someone say quiet. Moobar what drive do you have? |
Seems quiet to me compared to an un-optimized 007 EON, now that one is LOUD when un-optimized especially during the main menu with the video background, you know the pretty lady that keeps twisting and turning with the gun.
| QUOTE |
| ...I still don't think "optimized." Has caught on. We need more layouts. That's what we need... |
There are many problems,
- Exposure as you said
- People dont understand the benefits of optimization
- Its too complicated for them to understand
- "If my un-optimized discs work why should I bother optimizing them" mentality
- Craxtion is all anyone talks about around here. I dont care that it takes 2 minutes to load if my computer isnt connected to the internet.
- Too much trouble, making\getting layout, transfer files manually...
But then if you shove an optimized KotOR down their throats then they'll see the light. Ive played both an optimized and un-optimzed KotOR, the un-optimized KotOR runs like rubbish from DVD, the optimized version runs smooth.
Post by: moobar on August 13, 2004, 06:46:00 AM
Post by: VooD on August 16, 2004, 07:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (ncasebee @ Aug 17 2004, 02:00 AM) |
| Hey Vood and CloneXb, where can I find the source for Xdvdfs_Tools. The new updated version made by Clonexb, and debugged by you? I wanted to take a look at some things. Oh, and to have the quiestest and fastest loading backup, what should I burn at? My burner is down below. |
The lastest source public avaible are the ones from the initial XBDVDFS Tools 2.0... so they don´t include the changes I made to fix the "last file in layer 1" bug, anyway, I think I pasted the changes I did in this forum.
I guess CloneXB will make a new "official fixed" version and will release the new sources soon.
Meanwhile, you can find the initial 2.0 release at #xbins
About how to have the most quiet backups, I think I told you several times:
1.- Apply the original layout (and/or correct its mistakes i.e. panzeer dragon doesnt have any optimization at all)
2.- Pad the image
3.- Use Verbatim DVD-RW (I have an old 1x disc which is the nearest thing to a pressed disc I´ve ever seen)
And if that isnt enought for you..just copy the game to your hard disk
and you´ll get a veeeeeeeeeeeeeery quiet backup Regards.
Post by: ncasebee on August 16, 2004, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: farbird on August 16, 2004, 11:00:00 PM
I will be posting my version of manually optimised Topspin soon..
Do give comments..
When I play, there are still some parts when "showing attitude", it will slowdown a bit.
Post by: moobar on August 17, 2004, 06:06:00 AM
| CODE |
| [INFO] ScriptVersion=1.0 ScriptName=Move XDemos Folder Message=This script will move the XDemos or Demos|folder to the beginning of the layout. [REMOVE] [MOVEFIRST] 1=D,\XDemos 2=D,\demos |
You will be able to preview and edit the 'Remove' and 'MoveFirst' commands in the new editor.
- Minor changes include toning down the output window.
The only bad part about the editor is that now it uses an external MS control that may or may not already be installed on the target system so this will bumb up the download size if the user needs this file (only 1 external file). I always hated coding using those files, but its the only easy way to make it look and feel pretty.
After v1.0.6b I'll push for a final v1.1 release since no new bugs are coming in.
Post by: farbird on August 17, 2004, 07:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (farbird @ Aug 17 2004, 07:03 AM) |
| I wish that there can be more new layouts soon.. I will be posting my version of manually optimised Topspin soon.. When I play, there are still some parts when "showing attitude", it will slowdown a bit. "Do give comments.." |
# DISC TITLE : TopSpin
# VIDEO MODE : Pal
# PUBLISHER : MS
# SOURCE DISC : Backup
# EXTRA INFO : None
#
# <<<<< LAYER 0 BEGINS HERE >>>>>
#
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Post by: clonexb on August 20, 2004, 03:09:00 AM
What would be the point of combining xdvdfs_maker / dumper ?
CloneXB.
Post by: VooD on August 20, 2004, 04:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (clonexb @ Aug 20 2004, 12:12 PM) |
| Vood, What would be the point of combining xdvdfs_maker / dumper ? CloneXB. |
Making life easier to users
, so they dont need to look for the original xdvdfs package I mean, what would be ideal is combining moogui and xbdvdfs_maker/extract but keeping also the standart command line functions, so you can use the soft as command line and also as a graphic application.
Post by: moobar on August 20, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: moobar on August 21, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| EDITOR BEHAVIOR: When in REMOVE mode: - Adding any folder to the editor will automatically insert all sub files and folders. - Deleting any file in the editor will automatically remove its parent folder from the editor. - You cannot add the root folder "\" to the editor. - You cannot add "\default.xbe" to the editor. - 'Layout Files' view is not available. When in LAYOUT EDITOR mode: - Deleting a folder will automatically delete all its sub files and folders. - Adding a file will automatically add its parent folder if its not in the list. When in MOVE FIRST mode: - No restrictions since files added to this list will just be moved to the beginning of the disc. When switching from MOVE FIRST to REMOVE mode: - If a folder exists in the editor all its sub files and folder will be added also. |
The above behavior may sound strange or intrusive at first but without this behavior layout files can easily be broken. Play with the editor with small layouts so you can get the feel for it and its strange behavior.
Try all 3 different modes to see the behavior in action so you know what your getting into when doing the real thing.
Heres some simple rules:
1. In REMOVE mode, if you are getting rid of a folder then you must get rid of all sub files.
2. In REMOVE mode, if you are keeping some files you must keep the parent folder.
3. In LAYOUT editor mode, if you delete a folder then you must also delete all sub files
4. In LAYOUT editor mode, if you keep a file then you must keep its parent folder.
MooGUI takes care of these 4 major rules and many other little ones, but these are the ones you will notice very quickly.
I think I have worked in all the rules to keep a valid layout. You'll know right away when you save and if MooGUI reports an error in the layout (you shouldnt though). MooGUI does extensive checks on the layout when loading. The only check MooGUI currently doesnt do is duplicate filenames, but the editor wouldnt allow that anyways. What Id like to know is if anyone can break the editor, Ive come at it from all angles and couldnt break it yet, but im sure someone will find a way. Just save the layout and you'll know when MooGUI reloads it.
Information on the Custom Scripts are in the readme, but essentially now you can create REMOVE and MOVE FIRST scripts, as before with the ACL support it was MOVE FIRST only, you can now convert an ACL from MOVE FIRST to REMOVE within the editor. Joy!
regards,
moobar
Post by: moobar on August 21, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
| CODE |
| A <-Folder you want to drag-n-drop B <- the sub files in this folder C in alphabetical order D E |
But the original layout is:
| CODE |
| E D A B C |
You drop A into the list and it will be inserted like the original layout. Lets say you drop folder A into line # 20, the end result will then be
| CODE |
| 18 ... 19 ... 20 E 21 D 22 A 23 B 24 C 25 ... 26 ... |
The focus behind this method is trying to keep the files as close as to the original layout.
Remember, you can drag-n-drop from both the tree view (Layout Explorer) and the list view (Layout Files). The tree view gives you access to whole folders at a time, while the list view lets you access by files at a time. Honestly I use the list view more than the tree view, the list view gives me greater control of what is inserted and what is not, But I use the tree view to find the file I want in the list view (right click a tree view and select 'Find In Layout', it will take you to that file in the list view.)
Comments and suggestions welcome. Although the basic design of the editor is pretty much set, Id be looking for anything else that you think might make editting easier or quicker. For the moment Im working on other things in MooGUI.
Post by: moobar on August 23, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| - Fixed minor editor mode display bug. This bug only affects the log window. When editting a layout in either REMOVE or MOVE FIRST mode and you save the layout, the log window would incorrectly show the opposite mode but when in fact it was the intended mode that was processed. For example, If I was in REMOVE mode and selected 'Save Layout' the following would be displayed: Creating OPTIMIZED LAYOUT FILE... Creating optimized layout file from: > I:\Layout Files\Ghost Recon CUSTOM.lyt Apply MOVE FIRST optimization selected Saving optimized layout file to: > I:\Layout Files\Ghost Recon CUSTOM OPT.lyt DONE But should read: Creating OPTIMIZED LAYOUT FILE... Creating optimized layout file from: > I:\Layout Files\Ghost Recon CUSTOM.lyt Apply REMOVE optimization selected Saving optimized layout file to: > I:\Layout Files\Ghost Recon CUSTOM OPT.lyt DONE |
P.S. Watch out for v1.0.7b, coming soon, nothing major, just aesthetics, but for the better.
Post by: moobar on August 23, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
v1.0.7b looks like the RC for v1.1
v1.0.7b adds
- Aesthically pleasing log window (icons and such)
- Option to have a ledger style Editor and Log window. (even easier on the eyes)
- MRU for Layout Files (in addition to matching layouts and newest modified layouts)
So the only new "feature" is the MRU list, so get those requests in.
Post by: moobar on August 25, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
If you setup DVD2XBOX correctly with SMB you can skip the DVD2XBOX->XBOX HD->FTP'D TO PC process and just send the files right from DVD2XBOX to your PC. That feature of DVD2XBOX works good, but I have yet to compare transfer speeds between FTP'ing and SMB'ing.
On another note, MooGUI v1.0.7b is now released
| QUOTE |
| Notes: - Added Ledger style editor and log lists - Added MRU list for layout files in addition to latest modified layouts. The MRU list will only show if you havent selected a game folder or if you have selected a game folder and MooGUI cannot find any matching layouts. - Added MSCOMCTL.OCX distribution file. MooGUI 1.06 and above requires MSCOMCTL.OCX version 6.1.97.82 or higher. If MooGUI crashes while loading or using the editor please install this file. Install instructions are included in the included MSCOMCTL folder. Upon a release of v1.1 a full setup will be included, but you beta testers get to do it the hard way, but its simple really, just right-click and select install, easy huh? - Fixed a few internal bugs. - When first running MooGUI v1.0.7b your old INI file will be zapped. |
Post by: moobar on August 25, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
The log window now only shows file names, as before it showed the entire filename. Just hover over the file for the full filename in a tooltip.
Oops, one more thing, When extracting an ISO MooGUI will append a (#) to the extract game folder if the created one already exists. pre v1.0.7b MooGUI would warn you that you were about to overwrite any existing files. This change was because of my hate for message boxes. You'll notice now only a few messages boxes popup only when absolutely needed.
DOWN WITH POPUP MESSAGE BOXES!!!
Post by: VooD on August 27, 2004, 09:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (hav0k99 @ Aug 25 2004, 06:56 PM) |
| So will this work? DVD2XBOX->XBOX HD->FTP'D TO PC->MooGUI+XDVDFS Tools+layout->ISO->DVD |
You also can use these tools if you dont own the original game anymore, but just a copy of the files on dvd or hd, by downloading its layout file from http://xboxlyt.freeunixhost.com/.
Btw, why so many people use dvd2xbox?, I just use Avalaunch´s or Unleashx´s ftp and transfer the files on the fly from a dvd or the hd without any problem.
Post by: dbldown768 on August 27, 2004, 09:42:00 AM
Post by: Heykrop on August 28, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
Layout Statistics...
FOLDERS : 109
FILES : 667
SIZE : 3,000,772 KB (3,072,790,594 bytes)
LAYERS : 2
SOURCE DISC : Original
Applying Type 1 Layer Optimization
Layout Info...
# OPTIMIZER :
# OPT-TYPE : TYPE-1
# OPT-TYPE-EX : Layer 1 first, NORMAL file order
# CREATED BY : MooGUI v1.0.7b
# DISC TITLE : Burnout 2
# TITLE ID : 41430019
# VIDEO MODE : Ntsc
# PUBLISHER : Acclaim
# SOURCE DISC : Original
# EXTRA INFO : None
Layout Statistics...
FOLDERS : 109
FILES : 667
SIZE : 3,000,772 KB (3,072,790,594 bytes)
LAYERS : 2
SOURCE DISC : Original
MooGUI v1.0.7b Batch File Creator
\Burnout 2_Ntsc OPT.lyt
PAD option selected
I then created the ISO and now when I open it in Nero v6.0.0.19 i get the following message. " The ehtered block size does not correspond to the image length. The block size may be wrong. Do you want to correct or ignore the problem?"
If I choose ignore I end up burning a non working disc. If I choose to correct I am presents with several choices and have not attempted to do this yet as none else seems to be having an issue. Anyone have an idea?
Post by: Heykrop on August 28, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: moobar on August 28, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
That error and solution probably should be added to the 'Official FAQ' or 'Trouble Shooting Guide' for xdvdfs_maker.
Post by: mrjkwik on August 28, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: Heykrop on August 28, 2004, 08:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Aug 28 2004, 10:22 PM) |
| There is no patching with MooGUI or just plain xdvdfs tools, you have to patch with your favorite patching software in case you need it. Anyway, I belive patching is not necessary in most cases at all. |
Agreed. I've never patched anything. I've always used an X2 bios and never needed to patch the .xbe.
| QUOTE |
| Heh, good catch on the FAT32 to NTFS conversion thing, I would have never guessed that to be a problem. But then again when I upped to 2000 and XP way back when I did a clean install rather than an upgrade. |
Actually mine was a clean XP Pro install as well. It was just a 20 gig Firewire drive that had been FAT32 that I used the comand prompt option of "convert drive_letter: /fs:ntfs" on after the install. It would appear that the conversion from FAT32 to NTFS ran into a problem somewhere along the way and resulted in the drive being labled as NTFS when it was still only FAT32. This time around I wiped the drive and did a real format on it using NTFS as the formatting option. Now it works fine.
Post by: mrjkwik on August 28, 2004, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: moobar on August 29, 2004, 05:19:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| using this system to make back ups, when does the patch .xbe process take place? |
It takes place when you ask it to, in MooGUI that is, Im assuming your talking about media patching. But it is true with most newer bioses that you dont need patching. I guess if you have a flashed tsop and are too lazy to upgrade or something.
MooGUI v1.04b and above provides patching for the long and short media patching.
1. Select your game folder
2. Right-click the game folder icon.
3. Select "Patch XBEs..."
The rest should be a cake walk.
Glad to see more people using these tools
Heykrop> Wow, firewire, does it take long to transfer 4GB of data back and forth?
Post by: mrjkwik on August 29, 2004, 01:47:00 PM
*edit* another question. i'm loading everything to try now. i see it uses dvd decryptor. do i need configure a path to dvd decrytor for it to work?
and just so i understand how this all works: (i'm the gunea pig to learn this to help my buddy out when he moves back east)
you use layout dumper to create the layout.
then you ftp the layout file and the game files to the pc.
patch them if needed/desired using program of choice.
using moogui, it then organizes (or optimizes) the files according to the layout file, then creates the iso, then activates dvd decrytor to burn the iso.
*edit* just tried it all. dont know what i'm missing. i selected the file where the games rare. selected the layout file. selected where to save teh iso to. pad iso and batch file are checked off. clicked on the file to iso button at bottom, seemed like nothing happened. said something happened in log. but i cant find an iso. i must not be understanding something. any help?
Post by: moobar on August 29, 2004, 07:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Create Batch File Only - This option tells MooGUI not to run the batch file it makes when it is done processing everything. If unchecked, MooGUI will launch the batch file and xdvdfs_maker will start creating the ISO. Remember that MooGUI is just a GUI for xdvdfs_maker, of which does all the hard work. |
Post by: GM65 on August 30, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
Is there any way that they could relaese some type of software in the near future that could copy the layout of the disc and send it that way to the PC's HD???? I'm not asking anyone TO do it, I'm just curious if something like that is even possible.
Thanks
Post by: VooD on August 30, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (GM65 @ Aug 30 2004, 08:56 PM) |
| Is there any way that they could relaese some type of software in the near future that could copy the layout of the disc and send it that way to the PC's HD???? I'm not asking anyone TO do it, I'm just curious if something like that is even possible. Thanks |
CloneXB will do something similar (will copy a entire disc aplyig the layout file without user intervention).
But keep in mind, what you want to do makes necessary to have some kind of server in the pc.
Post by: moobar on August 30, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Notes: * Added 'Getting Started' and 'Help' documentation, access via Help menu. * Added 'Options' window, acces via Help menu. * Added file association option, see 'Options' window * Updated 'About' window to thank the beta testers. * Now includes xdvdfs_maker.exe and xdvdfs_extract.exe v2.01b as part of the distribution. * When first running MooGUI v1.0.8b your old INI file will be zapped. |
This should be the last and final beta version before v1.1 is released. The feature set is pretty much locked in.
I'll fix any bugs found and finalize up the 'MooGUI Help.pdf' (its almost done). Im working with mrjkwik on the help files, he's giving some good feedback from a 'new user' standpoint.
Almost done. Ive already got some extra features I want to add for a 1.2 release but thats down the road some. So dont be shy to ask for something to be added, cause I know I'll be outa business once CloneXB 2.4 rolls in
Post by: GM65 on August 31, 2004, 12:08:00 AM
Quote: (VooD)
CloneXB will do something similar (will copy a entire disc aplyig the layout file without user intervention).
But keep in mind, what you want to do makes necessary to have some kind of server in the pc.
I have tried installing CloneXb on my computer a number of times and I always get the same message
"Error Staring Program, A required .DLL file GDIPLUS.DLL was not found",
so I sort of gave up on the program having no idea what this meant. Any ideas???
Thanks
Post by: mrjkwik on August 31, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
now, i'll say i'm using the same dvd burner, same iso burning software (dvd decryptor), and same brand discs for both methods of back up.
i'm using the latest moogui version.
ran it 2 different ways. with both the pad and batch boxes checked, then created the iso by double clicking the batch. and the second by leaving the batch box unchecked. both times burnt to disc. both times xbox/avalauch sees the disc, but doesnt launch. one time it saw the name and said it was gonna load the game, but never did. i've already wasted 4 dvds (tried 2 different games, both ways.) i figure one of 2 things. either i've screwed up a configuration somewhere, or perhaps different iso apps work differently on the same media. as in the qwix iso works on my disc, the xdvdsfs iso does not.
suggestions?
Post by: dbldown768 on August 31, 2004, 01:20:00 PM
i dont have everythign infront of me but ill try and help.
1 first off i loaded the layout dumper.xbe on the xbox.
2 Then i put in the original disc. dumped the layout file to the xbox
3 ftp the layout from the xbox / or get it from their website.
4. ftped all the files from the original disc (D:) to the PC's hard drive.
5. started up moogui
6. selected folder where all the game files are
7. selected layout.
8. made iso without padded to edges(i know the other is supposed to be better)
9. launch .bat file that moo made.
10 burned iso using NERO
worked perfectly
Post by: moobar on August 31, 2004, 01:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Aug 31 2004, 08:54 PM) |
| ran it 2 different ways. with both the pad and batch boxes checked, then created the iso by double clicking the batch. and the second by leaving the batch box unchecked. |
Glad your getting the hang of it. The ISOs should be identical whether MooGUI runs the batch (batch option unchecked) or if you run the batch (batch option checked, you double click the batch file to start).
You say the DVD works great when used with Quix. Now heres the catch. The only difference between a Quix ISO and XDVDFS ISO is the padding option (and of course the optimized file structure, but lets leave that out for now)
So now if the media you are using has a bad outer edge of the disc then padding may pose a problem. Now Im only speculating here. Quix ISO should always work because it would never push the data to the outside edge of a DVD disc. Ive seen this behavior before in DVD movies, where the last final few minutes of a DVD movie would play bad or not at all. I then switched to better media and the problem went away. Remember that this is speculation only.
If you feel like wasting another disc to test the fact, then try the XDVDFS ISO without padding (MooGUI with padding unchecked) and see if that performs the same as your Quix ISO.
Here I have never had a problem with padding games, the media I use is RICHOJPN DVD-R or TT01 DVD-R or TY01 DVD-R.
Post by: mrjkwik on August 31, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on August 31, 2004, 10:07:00 PM
to moobar for the help with gui, and dblown for the advice also. thanks!*edit* if you guys tell me how to upload layouts to your site, i'll send ones i dont find on your site as i back up my games.
Post by: moobar on August 31, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
A temporary workaround, which is right up MooGUI's layout editor, is to create a 100mb dummy file in the root folder and place it at the end of the layout, then of course use the padding option. The dummy file would never be accessed so who cares if it cant be read or not on bad media.
Post by: mrjkwik on September 01, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
Post by: moobar on September 01, 2004, 07:53:00 AM
2. Place 'dummy.bin' into the root folder of the game folder (same place as 'default.xbe')
3. Open up moogui
4. Select the game folder (important)
5. Select the layout file
6. click the gear looking icon and then click "Layout Editor"
7. Scroll in the layout editor to the very end of the layout.
8. Drag-n-drop the 'dummy.bin' from windows explorer to the layout editor.
9. Make sure 'dummy.bin' is the last file in the layout. If not, just right click it and select 'Move Last'
10. Click File>Save Layout
Thats it, do the rest like you normally would. Be sure to check the padding option.
Let me know how it works out.
Post by: dbldown768 on September 01, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
i uploaded some layout yesterday on your web site. after i uploaded them i noticed all your other files are in .rar. I didnt have time to do that. does that matter?
Post by: mrjkwik on September 01, 2004, 09:05:00 AM
i get better service here than i do with programs that i've paid for to do otherstuff!
Post by: moobar on September 01, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Moobar, i uploaded some layout yesterday on your web site. after i uploaded them i noticed all your other files are in .rar. I didnt have time to do that. does that matter? |
dbldown768> Thanks for the nice gesture, but the Xbox-layout website belongs to and is operated and maintained by Vood. He was the one that got the ball rolling for me. He is nice enough to host MooGUI for me since I have no cyberhome.
But anyways, as far as the rar files go, I'll think that vood will repack them up to rar's and repost them for you. We're all happy we can get new layouts.
mrjkwik> Heh, your right about that
but your the one whos buring 40 cent coasters to test it out On another note, MooGUI v1.1.0 is complete, whew. All the documentation is done about 20 pages worth, dang that was a b!tch.
The newest and final feature added is a Wizard mode to walk you through making an optimized ISO. The wizard mode only supports type 1 and 2 layer optimizations, no scripts, no acls, no editing. Just enough to get you started on your first ISO, which is perfect for most users, even me.
I need to write up the final release notes before its released and I'll cut it loose.
Post by: mrjkwik on September 01, 2004, 09:04:00 PM
and just so i understand the layout files better, anything at the END of a layout layer, is placed toward the OUTSIDE of the disc?
and could you clarify a little bit about optomizing with dual layers? i didnt understand which layer was supposed to be at the top of the page, and which at the bottom. i saw the commands to move them, just didnt know the difference of which was were. its probably in my face, so i'll read again. you tend to break things down pretty well. looking towards the final release.
Post by: farbird on October 24, 2004, 09:50:00 PM
dvd2xbox.
ftp to PC hdd.
moobar with original lyt file. [ 4.2 gig ]
burnt with dvddecrypter
however, I ran the backup and the disc ran very very noisily. [ initial loading to 1st menu screen ]
Did a simple craxtion iso creation .. [ 2.2 gig ]
and the backup ran better than with the lyt optimised version. [ files on inner tracks of DVD+R ]
Any idea why?
Post by: farbird on October 24, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (nekrosoft13 @ Oct 21 2004, 01:33 AM) |
| any one have layout file for rallisport challenge 2? |
I have the lyt file for Rallisport challenge 2.
But the disc content is over 6 gigs.
u intending to burn on a DL media?
email me at [email protected] and I will attach via the email.
Post by: nekrosoft13 on October 25, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (farbird @ Oct 25 2004, 05:55 AM) |
| I have the lyt file for Rallisport challenge 2. But the disc content is over 6 gigs. u intending to burn on a DL media? email me at [email protected] and I will attach via the email. |
yeah i got DL media
but its no go
the program keeps bitching that it won't fit on dvd-r
is there any way around that?
can this tool create a dual layer iso?
Post by: VooD on October 25, 2004, 07:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (nekrosoft13 @ Oct 26 2004, 12:50 AM) |
| yeah i got DL media but its no go the program keeps bitching that it won't fit on dvd-r is there any way around that? can this tool create a dual layer iso? |
Sorry, but DL images arent yet implemented in XBDVDFS tools. But they will in a near future, as is a very easy feature to add. Try asking CloneXB for DL support
and maybe you could be our DL beta tester lol
Post by: farbird on October 25, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Oct 25 2004, 12:21 PM) |
| Dont use DVD+R. Most Xbox read better DVD-R disc |
dude..
this is not my first backup on dvd+r.
My dvd writer can set booktype to dvdrom.
anyways, have u tried using moobar and xdfstools on this game yet?
If not, please try it on your DVD-R and see if it has the same problems.
Post by: nekrosoft13 on October 26, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (VooD @ Oct 26 2004, 03:47 AM) |
| Sorry, but DL images arent yet implemented in XBDVDFS tools. But they will in a near future, as is a very easy feature to add. Try asking CloneXB for DL support and maybe you could be our DL beta tester lol |
haha
why not i already wasted 4 DL media disc
Post by: moobar on November 07, 2004, 09:56:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| v1.2.0: * Multi-game "layout" maker * Remove missing game folder files from layout. * Layout viewer * FTP download from Xbox with Boost Mode (Avalaunch only) * Simple FTP Browser * Support for OEIBuf when released by CloneXB. (Currently not enabled) FTP support matrix: * Download game folders from Xbox with Boost Mode --> Avalaunch * Download game folders from Xbox --> Avalaunch, UnleashX * Download layouts from Xbox --> Most if not all Xbox dashboards * Verify downloaded folders with MD5 --> Avalaunch, UnleashX * Launch XBE's --> Avalaunch, UnleashX, EvolutionX * Browse Xbox --> Most if not all Xbox dashboards * Download files --> Most if not all Xbox dashboards |
Because I have not updated the help documentation please read the release notes 'MooGUI Release Notes.txt'.
Have fun,
moobar
Post by: moobar on November 07, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
In Xbox Explorer on the right window (this file/folder window) just select a single folder to download and click download. The 'Download' button will only be enabled if you are using UnleashX or Avalaunch. BUT boost mode will only work with Avalaunch. UnleashX does not support boost mode download.
Take a look at the lower right corner of the 'Xbox Explorer' it should say what dashboard your connected to.
-----------Edited to say
MooGUI can only download 1 folder at a time. So you could if you wanted to download your entire Game folder then select 'F:\Games' to download, though this way will download ALL the folders in F:\Games.
Post by: moobar on November 07, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i'm using avalaunch 0.48.64 |
Odd indeed. Try launching up your favorite FTP client and connecting to the dashboard and issue a FTP command 'SYST' and let me know what it returns.
for Avalaunch it expects '215 UNIX emulation by Avalaunch 0.47.5'
for UnleashX it expects '215 UNIX emulated by UnleashX 0.36.0620A'
Maybe you changed it somehow or then again it could be the first publicly reported bug in MooGUI.
In anycase if I need to I'll just relax the code a little to search for 'Avalaunch' in the response.
Post by: AZImmortal on November 07, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
in fact, i've already created two optimized multi-game discs using it and it really can't be easier. the way you implemented the new features is great.would it be possible for you to integrate an ftp client into moogui that would allow boost mode while uploading? extraction of ISOs directly to the xbox and a title manager like qwix's would be great as well (and would permanently put qwix away for me).
Post by: moobar on November 07, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| SYST returned "215 UNIX emulation by Avalaunch 0.48" for 0.48.64 |
Hmm that is odd indeed, maybe my 0.48.64 is outdated somehow. I guess I'll relax the SYST code on the next go around.
As for upload I thought about it but what turned me off was the filename restrictions on the Xbox HD. I'd have to do some more research on the restrictions before I could do anything else. Upload from a PC folder should be no problem, upload from an ISO is another matter as MooGUI does not touch ISOs at all, XDVDFS Tools does all the work. But I'll look into it.
Post by: moobar on November 09, 2004, 02:17:00 AM
| CODE |
'displayname' and 'path' are self explanatory, as for 'params' here are the special tags:
%% = insert a %
%1 = insert the long filename
%2 = insert the short filename
Depending on the editor that your using you may need to enclose the filename within quotes as shown above. If your editor doesnt support long filenames then use the %2 tag. You can of course enter any other command line parameters that your editor accepts, for example, in UltraEdit to open the file in read-only mode then 'params' would be:
| CODE |
Note: Manual editing of the XML config file should be done while MooGUI is NOT running.
Post by: magbarn on November 13, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: VooD on November 13, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (magbarn @ Nov 13 2004, 06:36 PM) |
| I dunno if this is the right thread for this, but I think there's a bug in the Xbox layout extractor. I've used it successfully on my xbox for the 5 original discs I have and they all extracted fine. ie Halo 2, Mechassault, fable. One game is however giving me fits and it's DOA beach volleyball. I think there's a bug in the layout extractor that when it's faced with a disc with a very long game name it doesn't truncate the name of the file so the xbox doesn't write it. The other games when extracting always give the message "File written C:\****.lyt". When I try to rip the layout for DOA volley ball the msg is "File written D:\Deadoraliveextremebeach volleyball.lyt" and nothing gets written! I have it installed in my E:\apps\layout folder and I tried using evo-x and avalaunch with no avail. Like I said above the layout extractor works with all my other games except this one. Anyone else have this problem. Thanks in advance. |
We are aware about that bug and already have been fixed. Just wait a bit for the next version to be released.
Post by: davederave007 on November 26, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
Any news bout CLONEXb's new release?
Post by: xarath on November 28, 2004, 01:22:00 AM
I hit A controller starts rumbelling as usual then in the info box it says:
Saved 'D:\Red Faction II_Ntsc.lyt'
I was like what the crap, cause it cant save to a dvd (duh)
So i figured maybe it saved it in the same folder and is just talking jiberish... but nope.... no layout file...
anyone else run into this problem. Is the layoutdumper.xbe the only way to get the layout file (other than downloading one of course)
Post by: VooD on November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (xarath @ Nov 28 2004, 11:25 AM) |
| Most of my games had the layout files on the web site. I didnt really want to learn another program so I didnt want to use the layoutbuilder, then I ended up having to cause a few of my games dont have layout files on that site. BUT, I got like 5 of the games layout files no problem then I got to red faction 2. Here is what I got: I hit A controller starts rumbelling as usual then in the info box it says: Saved 'D:\Red Faction II_Ntsc.lyt' I was like what the crap, cause it cant save to a dvd (duh) So i figured maybe it saved it in the same folder and is just talking jiberish... but nope.... no layout file... anyone else run into this problem. Is the layoutdumper.xbe the only way to get the layout file (other than downloading one of course) |
Is the same bug I talked about a few posts ago. Will be adressed soon.
Post by: jockthecock on December 02, 2004, 04:38:00 AM
it seems this is now happening with other games, i have recreated it with kingdoms under fire and burnout 3.i dont know if there are other unknown evil forces at work here
or if this is a result of the padding option as i suspect, anyway i just thought i would let you guys know my experience, im using the tools without the padding option as a precaution for now, as i dont know if the other backups that do work with the padding option at first will work the later on in the games i get.
Post by: xarath on December 02, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: hockeyGod on December 02, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
I used the layout dumper to get lyt files for a couple of my games, worked just fine. when i tried to dump prince of persia, it seemed to work at first, but after it "finished" the controller wouldn't stop vibrating until i exited the program. the lyt file was also not created. i counted the characters in the filename that would have been created as 43, a mere 1 character too long. is this a known bug?
Post by: clonexb on December 03, 2004, 02:01:00 AM
Most of the problems you all seem to be experiencing have been fixed in both the LayoutDumper.xbe and also xdvdfs_maker but i've been sitting on the new release for quite some time. With regards to padding a new option was added so that a small buffer is used near the outside edge of the disc when padding to avoid writing on imperfect areas of the disc.
Anyway Vood told me some of you were having problems so I thought I had better post. I'm not going to sit on the release any longer and I PROMISE to release this by no later than next wednesday but hopefully before.
Happy Dumping.
CloneXB.
Post by: kreya on December 03, 2004, 04:09:00 AM
Post by: jonnyschultze on December 03, 2004, 11:13:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| would it make more sense for moogui to place unregistered files at the top of a layout so that the layout-optimized games will be closer to the outer edge? |
I don't know if it is coincidence or not, but every decent size multi-game backup I made (2 gigs and up) and created with quix had a hard time loading in the xbox on first try. I would have to eject and reload to get it to boot. (my theory - quix builds the iso by alphabetical order, therefore default.xbe ends up being one of the first files on the iso (ends up burned on inner disc))
Same backup sizes, using moogui, and putting the mxm files at the end and default.xbe at the very end, and don't have the boot problem anymore. (default.xbe is on outer circle)
I'd build a dummy file for both to bring file size up to 4.2 gb, and name the dummy file 1.bin so it would be first, because using the pad option would produce coasters (at least with older release, haven't tried the pad with the newest release yet)
Post by: VooD on December 09, 2004, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: Foolio187 on December 12, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: clonexb on December 12, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
Are you saying that if you put your working and tested backed up disc back into the xbox dvd drive you cannot browse its contents via FTP ?
Post by: Foolio187 on December 12, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Foolio187 on December 12, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: clonexb on December 12, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
just stick with the one that works
CloneXB.
Post by: jockthecock on December 14, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: VooD on December 14, 2004, 04:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (jockthecock @ Dec 14 2004, 02:07 PM) |
| to clonexb or moobar just extracted kotor ntsc and tried to reorganize with moogui, i verify the layout ok but and its a big but, when i verify the game folder this comes up, WARNING: 9106 Excluded Files\Folders Detected any idea how this is happening ? i went back to moogui 1.20 to try this also the same thing happened |
I believe that means there are files listed on the layout that doesnt appears in your kotor folder. So either the kotor´s layot was edited (maybe to remove update.xbe and that kind of things) or you are using differents versions (maybe you are trying to use kotor´s ntsc layout with kotor´s pal files).
Kotor is one of the most tested games with layout files technology, and many people has reported it works flawless, so check back those points.
Post by: clonexb on December 14, 2004, 05:22:00 AM
I have never used mooGUI but I would gues that maybe you are giving mooGUI the layout file but then pointing it to a directory where those file should exist but dont. It sounds like you are pointing to the wrong directory completely as there are over 9,000 files it cant find.
Post by: jockthecock on December 14, 2004, 05:41:00 AM
\Star Wars KotOR_Ntsc.lyt
Parsing Layout...
OK
Layout Info...
# DISC TITLE : Star Wars: KotOR
# VIDEO MODE : Ntsc
# PUBLISHER : LucasArts
# SOURCE DISC : Original
# EXTRA INFO : None
Layout Statistics...
FOLDERS : 660
FILES : 15,545
SIZE : 3,829,445 KB (3,921,351,194 bytes)
LAYERS : 2
SOURCE DISC : Original
Layer Optimization Info...
Layer Optimize First
Verifying Layout Files Exists...
OK
Verifying Game Files Exists...
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\nm14achand05000_.wma
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\nm14achand05002_.wma
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\nm14achand05004_.wma
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\nm14achand05006_.wma
cut out the majority for posting because it was 512Kb worth lol
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\n_gwwook_sads.wma
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\n_gwwook_scrm.wma
MISSING> F,\streamwaves\n_gwwook_scrs.wma
MISSING> F,\swdirsxbox.ini
MISSING> F,\swtoolsetd.ini
WARNING: 9106 Excluded Files\Folders Detected
One or more files exists in the game folder that
were excluded from the layout file. Be sure that
you DO NOT want to include these files in your
final ISO. View the layout file for clues about
their exclusions.
this is what it says
Post by: jockthecock on December 14, 2004, 05:52:00 AM
well i didnt check all the files were in the extracted iso but i checked a lot of random files and they seem to be all there
a swear to god im a bloody jinx lately lol
i wonder if this has anything to do with my setup i have 2 harddrives an old maxtor 13gig and a newer one WD 80gig with 8 meg of cache and i'm transfering across partitions from one to the other when extracting ?
Post by: jockthecock on December 14, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
i dont think theres many games with this many files maybe a little bug or something.
again i uninstalled moogui and i tried extracting with craxtion instead of moogui but always the same thing
Post by: moobar on December 14, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Opening Layout... \Star Wars KotOR_Pal.lyt Opening Layout... \Star Wars KotOR_Ntsc.lyt |
Could it be your using the KotOR layout with the KoTOR II game folder?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: moobar on December 14, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
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Post by: moobar on December 14, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Could it be your using the KotOR layout with the KoTOR II game folder? |
Nope, just tested that theory and as expected there are only about a hundred or so common files between the 2.
I'll look into it further. Maybe something to do with the name of the folder the files are in or the total length of it.
| QUOTE |
| Verifying Layout Files Exists... OK |
This is the most important report. This says that all the files in the layout exists on your PC HDD. Its probably a bug in the 'Verify Game Folder' routine.
Could you tell me the entire path of where the game files reside on your PC. For example C:\Game Folders\Star Wars KotOR\
Post by: moobar on December 14, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| MISSING> F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\nm14achand05000_.wma ... |
The original file name is
| QUOTE |
| F,\streamwaves\M14AC\HAND05\NM14ACHAND05000_.wma |
So in effect nm14achand05000_.wma do not equal NM14ACHAND05000_.wma
I thought I had knocked all those bugs out but apparently not. I'll have a gander at the rest of the code to find any stragling case problems.
So, since the layout checks out OK you should be safe creating an ISO.
I'll release an update in a few days.
| QUOTE |
| and i'm transfering across partitions from one to the other when extracting |
This might be the culprit, but no fault of your own. I guess windows renames all capital letter files to lower case when it copies or moves files within its own file system. But no worries as noted above I'll adjust for that.
Post by: moobar on December 14, 2004, 07:56:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| ... i hope you have a small program to recapitalise the files that should have capitals because doing it manually would be a time consuming to say the least. |
I wouldnt worry about it, no need to change it back. Depending on the game developer case in filenames shoulndt make a difference, thats my thought at least. In many cases ABC.wma and abc.wma IS the same file.
Post by: pelago on December 23, 2004, 03:54:00 AM
QUOTE(moobar @ Dec 15 2004, 03:59 AM)
I wouldnt worry about it, no need to change it back. Depending on the game developer case in filenames shoulndt make a difference, thats my thought at least. In many cases ABC.wma and abc.wma IS the same file.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: moobar on January 08, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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No, those fields are not used by the latest XDVDFS Tools. They can be zero (I forget if they can be blank)
ie:
F,default.xbe,0,0 <-- will work
You are right in that the "file order" is the only factor.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on January 28, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
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Post by: moobar on January 08, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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does the file size and start sector really matter
No, those fields are not used by the latest XDVDFS Tools. They can be zero (I forget if they can be blank)
ie:
F,default.xbe,0,0 <-- will work
You are right in that the "file order" is the only factor.
Post by: VooD on January 28, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(burgan @ Jan 28 2005, 05:28 PM)
just wanted to share my initial experience with xbdvdfs.
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Post by: burgan on January 28, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
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vood
let me clearer: the shocking part was due to a backup i made of the original i made 2 weeks ago using qwix. after i ran the extractor program it gave me a layout on the backup that was in perfect alphabeticla order as i expected but what was worse was that the directories came first. i think it is random or luck as to whether the files and directories will be spread out or totally segragated as in this case.
i just came back from lunch where i tested the MOH rising sun disk i burned earlier. it didn't work. i dumped the files to my hard drive and found that the optimized file had left off the very last file to be put on the cd. after manually copying it to my hard drive i found that the game worked. so i am now going to reburn and add that last file to the layout file.
in the process of testing i noticed that the qwix version of MOH rising sun didnt work very well; i am for the moment blaming it on the poor layout.
jeff
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on February 02, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
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Post by: burgan on January 28, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
let me clearer: the shocking part was due to a backup i made of the original i made 2 weeks ago using qwix. after i ran the extractor program it gave me a layout on the backup that was in perfect alphabeticla order as i expected but what was worse was that the directories came first. i think it is random or luck as to whether the files and directories will be spread out or totally segragated as in this case.
i just came back from lunch where i tested the MOH rising sun disk i burned earlier. it didn't work. i dumped the files to my hard drive and found that the optimized file had left off the very last file to be put on the cd. after manually copying it to my hard drive i found that the game worked. so i am now going to reburn and add that last file to the layout file.
in the process of testing i noticed that the qwix version of MOH rising sun didnt work very well; i am for the moment blaming it on the poor layout.
jeff
Post by: VooD on February 02, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
QUOTE(burgan @ Jan 28 2005, 10:01 PM)
vood
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Sactown-sav on March 06, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
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Post by: moobar on March 07, 2005, 02:18:00 AM
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Probably a problem with MooGUI. I can take a look at it if you send it to me, I'll send my conact info your way.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: clonexb on March 07, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
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Wow, I havent visited these forums in ages and it looks like layouts are now becoming more widely accepted. I suppose I will have to pull my finger out of my Bum and crack on with finishing CloneXB v2.4.
Sactown-Sav can you email me your .lyt that came straight from the XBOX I would like to see it, maybe I need to fix a bug in XDVDFS_Tools.
CloneXB.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on March 07, 2005, 08:58:00 AM
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) to integrate xbox dumper in its dashboard, so
anybody wanting to make an almost 1:1 backup from an original game would just have to load MooGUI (or future CloneXB) on the PC, boot UnleashX, insert the original disc, and then MooGUI (or future CloneXB) via something like "site layoutdump" raw ftp command would get that disc´s layouts and then would start transfering disc´s files via standart ftp. Finally it would build an optimized iso ready to burn. Also if the layout isnt yet in our repository, it would automatically upload to it. And all this in a single step, without user intervention on the xbox´s nor resetting etc...
(yes this is the same mail I sent moogui lol)
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Post by: clonexb on March 07, 2005, 10:17:00 AM
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Note sure Fable, I will have to look into it more, I need to be able to reproduce it.
As for DVD9 support...... I am already working on it. The hardest part is actually getting the burning software to agree to put the Layer break flag as per the original.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: burgan on March 15, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
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i am having trouble with Pirates of Craibbean and also Riddick. Both burn ok but aren;t recoginized by xbox in either dvd2xbox or by evox. normally evox will recognize the disk in the tray as a "GAME"; with riddick and pirates it says "UNKNOWN". this is sporadic; i have gotten both games to boot but not reliably.
anybody with tips/help plz post. thanks.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on March 15, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
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Post by: Sactown-sav on March 06, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: moobar on March 07, 2005, 02:18:00 AM
Post by: clonexb on March 07, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
Sactown-Sav can you email me your .lyt that came straight from the XBOX I would like to see it, maybe I need to fix a bug in XDVDFS_Tools.
CloneXB.
Post by: VooD on March 07, 2005, 08:58:00 AM
) to integrate xbox dumper in its dashboard, so anybody wanting to make an almost 1:1 backup from an original game would just have to load MooGUI (or future CloneXB) on the PC, boot UnleashX, insert the original disc, and then MooGUI (or future CloneXB) via something like "site layoutdump" raw ftp command would get that disc´s layouts and then would start transfering disc´s files via standart ftp. Finally it would build an optimized iso ready to burn. Also if the layout isnt yet in our repository, it would automatically upload to it. And all this in a single step, without user intervention on the xbox´s nor resetting etc...
(yes this is the same mail I sent moogui lol)
Post by: clonexb on March 07, 2005, 10:17:00 AM
As for DVD9 support...... I am already working on it. The hardest part is actually getting the burning software to agree to put the Layer break flag as per the original.
Post by: burgan on March 15, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
anybody with tips/help plz post. thanks.
Post by: VooD on March 15, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE(burgan @ Mar 15 2005, 04:57 PM)
i am having trouble with Pirates of Craibbean and also Riddick. Both burn ok but aren;t recoginized by xbox in either dvd2xbox or by evox. normally evox will recognize the disk in the tray as a "GAME"; with riddick and pirates it says "UNKNOWN". this is sporadic; i have gotten both games to boot but not reliably.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: burgan on March 16, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
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Post by: burgan on March 16, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(VooD @ Mar 15 2005, 08:39 PM)
Maybe you used bad media with padding option, and a poor dvd reader.
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Post by: VooD on March 16, 2005, 10:49:00 AM
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Post by: VooD on March 16, 2005, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(burgan @ Mar 16 2005, 05:34 PM)
i use verbatim and have made about 15 other successful disks using moogui method; pirates and riddick burned exact same way as the others that work
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: ncasebee on March 16, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
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Yeah I second the Fable idea. I'd like to know as well. My XDVDFS_Tools Fable backup never did work for me. Always gave a green screen.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: burgan on March 17, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
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i am about to burn fable so i also would like to know if it it works. also if some kind soul could chime in and simply post if they have gotten "riddick" and "pirates of caribeaan" to work with xbdvdfs then i would be very appreciative.
thnaks
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on March 17, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
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Post by: ncasebee on March 16, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
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I think Riddick was one of the first games to be tested using layouts in this forums
Yeah I second the Fable idea. I'd like to know as well. My XDVDFS_Tools Fable backup never did work for me. Always gave a green screen.
Post by: burgan on March 17, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
thnaks
Post by: VooD on March 17, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(burgan @ Mar 17 2005, 04:20 PM)
i am about to burn fable so i also would like to know if it it works. also if some kind soul could chime in and simply post if they have gotten "riddick" and "pirates of caribeaan" to work with xbdvdfs then i would be very appreciative.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 02, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
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and upon pushing enter I get
I just want to make an ISO from the layout file... what am I doing wrong?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: patto on April 04, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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been wondering about this, on the 2nd layer of a game, the files are sequenced so the biggest files would be read last
here's an example from chaos theory
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Voice_05Displace.LS2,18917376,2985859 (22 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Usa.LS2,25681920,2995096 (32 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Japan.LS2,29208576,3007636 (35 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Korean.LS2,29962240,3027316 (37 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Spanish.LS2,32333824,3041946 (43 MB)
D,\Default\Sounds\esp,0,3057734
should i invert this whole layer around so the files are ordered small to bigger instead of bigger to small
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on April 05, 2005, 07:46:00 AM
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I think is just a casual issue, as those files are differents language versions of the same file. Maybe splinter cell is one of those game which wasnt optimied at all by its developers.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: patto on April 06, 2005, 02:21:00 AM
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ok bad example, but it had nothing to do with language
those are infact level files anyway
but yeah i think they went the lazy way
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
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ok really bad example i didn't even notice the esp, i'm just asking
is it better if the files are ordered so small files come first, or if big files come first
and would having the D,\Default\Sounds\esp,0,3057734 last so when the dvdrom moves the laser towards the beginning of the disc it'd come across the directory first then move further back to the actual file so the laser is is doing one continuous move instead of moving back then forwards
here's another idea, ignore the actual filenames
so you've got
D,\Media,0,1898452
F,\Media\Sound.xsb,684,1898453
F,\Media\Wave.xwb,190012,1898454
F,\Media\dlres.xpr,280576,1898547
F,\Media\dlcustom.xpr,1574912,1898684
F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf,23274572,1899453
would it be any good to have:
F,\Media\Sound.xsb,684,1898453
F,\Media\Wave.xwb,190012,1898454
F,\Media\dlres.xpr,280576,1898547
D,\Media,0,1898452
F,\Media\dlcustom.xpr,1574912,1898684
F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf,23274572,1899453
since after the drive reads the directory (D,\Media) it is either going to move forwards or backwards instead of just forwards. So the last file F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf should take as long as the first file thus speeding up the whole thing, it'd be effective if there was a lot of files in the directory
This probably isn't worth it and stupid
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Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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and wow that thread's old, helpful tho
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: ncasebee on April 07, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
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I recently bought an NEC 3520a burner, and I have raised the question again. 1x or 4x? Does it matter? I'm using high quality Taiyo Yuden media. Thx
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
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oh and i dunno what's up with this, but movies play choppily even tho they're 1gig+ into the disc
maybe the problem is i'm burning to fast due to my impatient nature (8x)
also noted some files are copied to cache such as some ambient sounds, streams, level textures
so yeah lol!!!111
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on April 08, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on April 02, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
CODE
xdvdfs_maker -pad -order FightClub_Ntsc.lyt -newlayoutformat -opt1 "c:\image temp\FightClub" FightClub.iso
and upon pushing enter I get
QUOTE
-newlayoutformat: Unknown option.
ERROR: Single layer discs cannot be automatically optimized as their layout is already presumed to be correct. You can manually tweak their layout by directly editing the layout file and running this program without any optimization flags.
ERROR: Single layer discs cannot be automatically optimized as their layout is already presumed to be correct. You can manually tweak their layout by directly editing the layout file and running this program without any optimization flags.
I just want to make an ISO from the layout file... what am I doing wrong?
Post by: patto on April 04, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
here's an example from chaos theory
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Voice_05Displace.LS2,18917376,2985859 (22 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Usa.LS2,25681920,2995096 (32 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Japan.LS2,29208576,3007636 (35 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Korean.LS2,29962240,3027316 (37 MB)
F,\Default\Sounds\esp\SCX_Barks_Spanish.LS2,32333824,3041946 (43 MB)
D,\Default\Sounds\esp,0,3057734
should i invert this whole layer around so the files are ordered small to bigger instead of bigger to small
Post by: VooD on April 05, 2005, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: patto on April 06, 2005, 02:21:00 AM
those are infact level files anyway
but yeah i think they went the lazy way
Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
is it better if the files are ordered so small files come first, or if big files come first
and would having the D,\Default\Sounds\esp,0,3057734 last so when the dvdrom moves the laser towards the beginning of the disc it'd come across the directory first then move further back to the actual file so the laser is is doing one continuous move instead of moving back then forwards
here's another idea, ignore the actual filenames
so you've got
D,\Media,0,1898452
F,\Media\Sound.xsb,684,1898453
F,\Media\Wave.xwb,190012,1898454
F,\Media\dlres.xpr,280576,1898547
F,\Media\dlcustom.xpr,1574912,1898684
F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf,23274572,1899453
would it be any good to have:
F,\Media\Sound.xsb,684,1898453
F,\Media\Wave.xwb,190012,1898454
F,\Media\dlres.xpr,280576,1898547
D,\Media,0,1898452
F,\Media\dlcustom.xpr,1574912,1898684
F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf,23274572,1899453
since after the drive reads the directory (D,\Media) it is either going to move forwards or backwards instead of just forwards. So the last file F,\Media\ArialUni.Ttf should take as long as the first file thus speeding up the whole thing, it'd be effective if there was a lot of files in the directory
This probably isn't worth it and stupid
Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
and wow that thread's old, helpful tho
Post by: ncasebee on April 07, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: patto on April 07, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
maybe the problem is i'm burning to fast due to my impatient nature (8x)
also noted some files are copied to cache such as some ambient sounds, streams, level textures
so yeah lol!!!111
Post by: VooD on April 08, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(burgan @ Apr 8 2005, 01:41 AM)
what does copied to cache mean?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: pelago on April 08, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
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Post by: pelago on April 08, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(VooD @ Apr 8 2005, 12:10 PM)
Of course if you load DOA3, and then Ninja Gaiden, next time you load DOA3 the game will copy the files again, because games which use cache, formats x y z partitions if they find non related data.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: patto on April 08, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
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i'm sure you've heard this enough, but tried burning with another app?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on April 09, 2005, 05:34:00 AM
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Post by: patto on April 08, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
Post by: VooD on April 09, 2005, 05:34:00 AM
QUOTE(burgan @ Apr 8 2005, 09:58 PM)
i've tried quix and craaxtion and the moogui iso's in both decrpytrer and nero.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Apple Pie on May 28, 2005, 07:11:00 AM
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Hi, I'm really new to all of this 'layouts' stuff (new to the entire xbox scene, actually) but I've downloaded Jade Empire Limited Edition a while ago (DVD9 version, not DVD5). It didn't run too well (not at all, it simply crashed) and people from the ** Do not link to Torrents Sites on xs. ** forums said that I should use MooGUI on it with a layout file. I've downloaded a layout file, downloaded MooGUI, and at least understand how to use it. Since the wizard seemed like the easiest option I've used it, and it noted how it was a DVD9 game. Everythings fine until it starts the command prompt where it should start creating the iso, and there it says that the game is too big for a DVD5. I used the first option listed with reverseburning and stuff. Could any of you help me?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Yuuko on May 29, 2005, 04:14:00 AM
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Well, problem is wthat we need a new version of the program, which handles DVD9. Current version does not.
But if you had problems running it, maybe your copy was already corrupted ? Did you run it from your HD ?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Apple Pie on May 29, 2005, 04:45:00 AM
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I play from DVD, not from HD. I still have my original 10GB HD and it's kinda hard for me to get a bigger HD. Isn't there another program or something to do this?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on May 29, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
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Post by: Apple Pie on May 28, 2005, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: Yuuko on May 29, 2005, 04:14:00 AM
But if you had problems running it, maybe your copy was already corrupted ? Did you run it from your HD ?
Post by: Apple Pie on May 29, 2005, 04:45:00 AM
Post by: VooD on May 29, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Apple Pie @ May 29 2005, 01:56 PM)
I play from DVD, not from HD. I still have my original 10GB HD and it's kinda hard for me to get a bigger HD. Isn't there another program or something to do this?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on May 29, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
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Post by: VooD on May 29, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Yuuko @ May 27 2005, 07:20 PM)
What about DL support ? This one badly needed. ^^
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: majesticjester on May 31, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
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current games ive found that dont work with xdvdfstools/moogui
fable
world championship snooker 2005
wrestlemania 21
all work when done with qwix 1.01
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: AZImmortal on May 31, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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i had no problems using my optimized backup of fable. what problems do you have exactly?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on May 31, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
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Post by: majesticjester on May 31, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
fable
world championship snooker 2005
wrestlemania 21
all work when done with qwix 1.01
Post by: AZImmortal on May 31, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: VooD on May 31, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
QUOTE(majesticjester @ May 31 2005, 08:37 PM)
current games ive found that dont work with xdvdfstools/moogui
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on May 31, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
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Post by: VooD on May 31, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
QUOTE(AZImmortal @ May 31 2005, 09:02 PM)
i had no problems using my optimized backup of fable. what problems do you have exactly?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: AZImmortal on May 31, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
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VooD: with the explanation that you just gave, i think i know why i don't have problems with my fable. i used MooGUI's multi-game layout creator, which likely "fixed" the problem you described.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: majesticjester on June 01, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
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fable i think was cant load a save game (get a dde i think at that point)
world championship snooker 2005 when you go to take a shot the screen goes black but the user interface is still there, after you manage to take the shot it goes back to normal (making the game unplayable)
wrestlemaina 21 locks up at the loading screeen after you select your chars to play
(the last loading screen before you actually fight) it just hangs at that point
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on June 02, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
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Post by: AZImmortal on May 31, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: majesticjester on June 01, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
world championship snooker 2005 when you go to take a shot the screen goes black but the user interface is still there, after you manage to take the shot it goes back to normal (making the game unplayable)
wrestlemaina 21 locks up at the loading screeen after you select your chars to play
(the last loading screen before you actually fight) it just hangs at that point
Post by: VooD on June 02, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
QUOTE(majesticjester @ Jun 2 2005, 12:51 AM)
fable i think was cant load a save game (get a dde i think at that point)
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: ncasebee on July 08, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
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Just encountered something spooky. I made a backup with MooGui of Tony Hawk's Underground and it wouldn't open up in Qwix and browse. Same exact options and same exact files with XDVDFS_MAKER, made a perfect iso that would open up with Qwix.
I saw the bug report on the layout site and thought I would just report that I found the same one.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on July 11, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
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CloneXB where are you????
(to be read with shaggy´s voice)
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on July 16, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
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Post by: ncasebee on July 08, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
I saw the bug report on the layout site and thought I would just report that I found the same one.
Post by: VooD on July 11, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
(to be read with shaggy´s voice)
Post by: VooD on July 16, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Yuuko @ Jul 16 2005, 11:59 PM)
OK, I don't mean to complain or anything. I really appreciate your work, but CloneXB is just killing the whole thing. Why doesn't he just release the source code ?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Yuuko on July 17, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on July 17, 2005, 01:43:00 PM
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Post by: Yuuko on July 17, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: VooD on July 17, 2005, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Yuuko @ Jul 17 2005, 10:03 PM)
May 15th ?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Yuuko on July 18, 2005, 04:57:00 AM
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Strange enough to worry.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: neo_89 on August 03, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: cocotier on September 23, 2005, 04:07:00 AM
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I can't wait. i've edited source and ul to the layout site.
some options removed, but the goodies keeped. D9 supported.
the bugs maybe fixed, but anyone can make more test?
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on September 23, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
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About the bugs fixed, did you test wether Fable works now?
Never worked previously.
Regards
(I´ll add your update to the web´s main menu.)
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: ReVaL on September 30, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
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Im getting the runtime error #53 - "files missing". Does anyone know what files I need to get to make this work. Im running Windows ME. The verify checks complete succesfully.
Thanks.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: NoMention on September 30, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
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Is your computer File Allocation Table set to FAT32? If it is, then that is your problem. You can't have file sizes larger than like 2GB. ME is no good. You need to upgrade to an operating system that support the NTFS format. ME is also like 5 years old. Move to XP you won't regret it.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: ReVaL on October 01, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
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Thanks for the input guys,
Yes, Windows is shit, I know. Im running Mac OS X Tiger. Just needed to make the iso on the windows machine since it couldn't be done on the mac.
Im still wondering if it is possible to run XDVDFS Maker 2.2l in the terminal on mac (unix). If anybody knows how to do this, then please tell me.
Thanks.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on October 01, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
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You´d need the sources (2.2l sources are not public yet), and the compile your own binaries.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: waggle on January 14, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
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changed to:
2. xdvdfs_maker/EvaluateFileSizes.c: Line 56 changed from:
changed to:
So now the program finishes and generates an image file. However, when I used extract-xiso it only extracted default.xbe but the original image has a handful of other files and a subdirectory containing files. I'm guessing the NULL pointers above probably shouldn't have been NULL so my fix to bypass these NULL entries probably wasn't correct. Anyone have a patch to fix this? If anyone wants to attempt to reproduce this, I was optimizing NFS MW.
I haven't read through the 22 previous pages of this thread so forgive me if it has already been posted.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Pandoriaantje on January 15, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: VooD on January 15, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
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I figured out what was causing the null pointer access. The "scan to the left" loop in BuildTree() was wrapping around to 0xFFFFFFFF instead of quitting the loop if decrementing by 1 when i=0. Once I fixed that, I got an image that I was able to extract successfully. I burned the image and it seemed to work fine. I'm not sure if it is optimized any better than before since an alpha sorted image seemed to be fine too. I just wanted to see if the tools work because I have noticed some games that really work the DVD drive over or "hiccup" during game play.
One layout that I would love to see uploaded is a layout for Maximum Chase (Japanese). It streams audio during game play and is completely unplayable on some levels when it is not optimized. It would be a good test to see if the optimized layout fixes problems like that.
Get a DVD-RW, MooGUI and start doing tests moving the files to more logical positions.
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Title: Xdvdfstools V2.0 Support Topic
Post by: Yuuko on March 08, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
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Tried to burn Warriors DL using layout file and Verbatim media. Burn worked fine, verify worked fine, got Dirty disc errors.
Backup files work fine on HD.
Any thought ?
Post by: Yuuko on July 18, 2005, 04:57:00 AM
Post by: neo_89 on August 03, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: cocotier on September 23, 2005, 04:07:00 AM
some options removed, but the goodies keeped. D9 supported.
the bugs maybe fixed, but anyone can make more test?
Post by: VooD on September 23, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
About the bugs fixed, did you test wether Fable works now?
Never worked previously.
Regards
(I´ll add your update to the web´s main menu.)
Post by: ReVaL on September 30, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
Thanks.
Post by: NoMention on September 30, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: ReVaL on October 01, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
Yes, Windows is shit, I know. Im running Mac OS X Tiger. Just needed to make the iso on the windows machine since it couldn't be done on the mac.
Im still wondering if it is possible to run XDVDFS Maker 2.2l in the terminal on mac (unix). If anybody knows how to do this, then please tell me.
Thanks.
Post by: VooD on October 01, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: waggle on January 14, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
CODE
while(Element)
changed to:
CODE
while(Element && Element->Entry)
2. xdvdfs_maker/EvaluateFileSizes.c: Line 56 changed from:
CODE
while(Element)
changed to:
CODE
while(Element && Element->Entry)
So now the program finishes and generates an image file. However, when I used extract-xiso it only extracted default.xbe but the original image has a handful of other files and a subdirectory containing files. I'm guessing the NULL pointers above probably shouldn't have been NULL so my fix to bypass these NULL entries probably wasn't correct. Anyone have a patch to fix this? If anyone wants to attempt to reproduce this, I was optimizing NFS MW.
I haven't read through the 22 previous pages of this thread so forgive me if it has already been posted.
Post by: Pandoriaantje on January 15, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE
Changes :-
- removed options: -ordercreate, -opt1, -opt2.
you can do it with MooGUI or Notepad.
- removed options: -ordercreate, -opt1, -opt2.
you can do it with MooGUI or Notepad.
Post by: VooD on January 15, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
QUOTE(waggle @ Jan 15 2006, 08:08 PM) 
I figured out what was causing the null pointer access. The "scan to the left" loop in BuildTree() was wrapping around to 0xFFFFFFFF instead of quitting the loop if decrementing by 1 when i=0. Once I fixed that, I got an image that I was able to extract successfully. I burned the image and it seemed to work fine. I'm not sure if it is optimized any better than before since an alpha sorted image seemed to be fine too. I just wanted to see if the tools work because I have noticed some games that really work the DVD drive over or "hiccup" during game play.
One layout that I would love to see uploaded is a layout for Maximum Chase (Japanese). It streams audio during game play and is completely unplayable on some levels when it is not optimized. It would be a good test to see if the optimized layout fixes problems like that.
Get a DVD-RW, MooGUI and start doing tests moving the files to more logical positions.
Post by: Yuuko on March 08, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Backup files work fine on HD.
Any thought ?