Post by: wolrahnaes on November 07, 2004, 11:30:00 PM
I don't think anything I'm about to say qualifies as a spoiler, but if you're not one of the lucky few who found a store willing to sell it to you and don't want to risk it, stop reading now.
First off, the lack of the ATV or any of the new Warthogs that I've been drooling over for months was a real disappointment.
Second, the ending really sucked. It was just kinda anticlimactic after working my way there, to have nothing but an opening for a third game.
The multiplayer is great, and having 15 people on 7 Xboxes on Coagulation is a riot, but I just thought something was missing. And what's with the total lack of fall damage? It's not cool when someone can fly a Banshee over your base and just drop in without even getting hurt, then take off running with the flag. <
Post by: sk1tz0 on November 07, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: neverwill on November 08, 2004, 01:59:00 AM
The ending...yeah...I wasn't really dissapointed, I just wanted to keep playing. I hate how they basically just left it as the start to Halo 3 (which bungie said they arent even making, but would be stupid not to, so obviously they eventually will). Maybe they'll release another couple single player levels on Xbox Live, but I doubt it. Although this would be kick ass and I would probably buy live just for that alone, not to mention the great multiplayer this game has. <
Post by: pholly on November 08, 2004, 01:01:00 AM
BTW, what about killzone, ps2 sux
It wouldn't be worth buying without GTA 
Post by: Kira Yamoto on November 08, 2004, 06:08:00 AM
short game - (only 5-10 hours long) took me about 15 hours because i dont have any prior halo exp (but have fps exp)
repetitive levels - literally repeats the same level about 2x or 3x over to make them longer, that did not sit well with me since i got lost a lot of times.
no bots - i cant even practice the maps offline save for remembering where everything is at, but i cant formulate plans without actually doing them against actual bots/players shooting at me. it would be great if i could practice maps against legendary difficulty bots.
cliffhanger ending- nobody liked it and i felt shafted when the game ended. i thought you could unlock more of the ending by increasing the difficulty level but im probably wrong. on top of the cliffhanger ending, they added another cliffhanger ending at the end of the credits which raises more questions. not knowing whether or not the story completes itself w/ halo 3, its very bad as theres no assurances to whether or not we get another game to finish the storyline.
despite those flaws in this game i cant say im disappointed because there was nothing for me to live up to. i hated halo 1 but loved halo 2. <
Post by: hard candy on November 08, 2004, 07:51:00 AM
What happens is that we get caught up in the anticipation and the aftermath is a little disappointing. Sort of like chasing a member of the opposite/same sex. The chase builds up fantasies, the reality is disappointing the day after the big date. Sometimes it then grows into something good and we are happy again.
Doom3, Halo2, Halflife2 will have the same effect for some of us, the big buildup and then the letdown.
The games that come out of nowhere- the first Halo, Halflife, the first Doom, Far Cry, etc- will always be better in our memory since there was no buildup. <
Post by: BobBrkersMyHero on November 08, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
its people like you that are going to be destroying everyone on live on like the 3rd day its out lol <
Post by: DrLurch on November 08, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: catgut on November 08, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (pholly @ Nov 8 2004, 10:04 AM) |
| ...Also are there more than one path for each level? I never got to the stuff shown on the previews back at e3 and in the early trailers... |
I think the urban level preview movie was specially made just for the preview, and doesn't exist in the same form in the game.
I'm thinking specifically of the urban earth combat preview movie that was shipped with some Halo 1 discs, where a pelican flies in with the M.C. into a city, walks past medics, climbs the stairs into a building under attack from some giant covenant cannon, cannon gets bombed, m.c. goes into street combat, then jumps on a warthog and uses mounted rocket launcher to take out covenant vehicles, hijacks a ghost, gets covenant to chase him down highway with giant closing doors, and ends up in the middle of carrier-dropped elites popping out of drop-pods with energy swords. "Betcha can't stick it" "You're on"
There's a vaguely similar sequence when the M.C. first arrives on earth from the space station, but as soon as he gets out of the Pelican it's all different.
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Post by: crobar on November 08, 2004, 12:56:00 PM
so what ever kind of cliff hanger ending there is, was mean to sell halo 3. <
Post by: zot23 on November 08, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (crobar @ Nov 8 2004, 08:48 PM) |
| im pretty sure halo 3 was confirmed for xbox 2 as a launch title. so what ever kind of cliff hanger ending there is, was mean to sell halo 3. |
Nope. Xbox 2 is supposed to come out next Fall by most estimates, and one year to make a whole new Halo game for all new hardware? Doubtful in the extreme. I would say expect a Halo 3 announcement when the xbox 2 lanuches next year and then waiting a year (or two) for Halo 3.
As far as this game goes, there are one or two disappointments for me:
* The ending needed to be one more level long. That ship was BEGGING to be blown up, why start Halo 3 with the climax that should have been in the end of Halo 2? Doesn't make any sense.
* Bots. The AI in this game is pretty slick at helping out and taking cover. I don't see what would be wrong with having 8 bots in a 4 on 4 multiplayer game to help flush out the teams. Not a massive loss, but it would have been nice to have a bigger play option without needing 16 players.
I didn't miss the ATV or Warthog varients. The gauss Warthog is available in multiplayer though, on one of the city levels. <
Post by: ahoatam on November 08, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
The first two "levels" involve very little player control and no combat. Of course Bungie can get away with saying there are so many more levels when their classification of a level is so loose. "ooh Halo 2 such an improvement".
When we have, people, is improved multiplayer and that's about it. In terms of the Halo campaign story, we were duped. What we got was good, but we simply didn't get enough of it.
*shifts his focus to KotOR 2 and Half-Life 2*
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Post by: madienmasher on November 08, 2004, 01:41:00 PM
* i was waitng for the next level at the end and i was like WTF CREDITS?!* lol mp is great i found the covie campiagn boring .............i liked the mc levels better
Post by: jrstevan on November 09, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: pingrr on November 09, 2004, 03:01:00 PM
As for halo 3 who says that the game hasn't been in development for a year now. Bungie may have a team working on halo 2 and they just keep it real quite. <
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 09, 2004, 03:57:00 PM
What do you guys think of the part after the credits? Interesting...
Post by: RustAngel on November 09, 2004, 05:30:00 PM
- NO NAV POINTS on your HUD (why the HELL did they do this?? It just means you get lost all the time! Maybe they did it because the levels are so short - they left them out on purpose so you'd take longer to finish the game)
- No warthog variants
- "Cliffhanger" (read: pr1cktease) ending (so, so cheap...feels like they just couldn't be bothered finishing and left it thinking anything they did would be good enough)
- Confusing, badly written and incoherent plot - first you're on earth, then you're in space and there's another halo, then you're a covenant elite on an assassination mission, then you're the MC again and you're down on the halo, then there's some rebellion and the covenant are attacking each other, so you're killing covenant regardless of if you're the MC or the Elite, then the flood show up again so everyone starts killing them too, the covenant leaders betray each other, the humans' commander is kidnapped, then you're the MC again and you're freeing marines from a covenant prison, then the elite teams up with the sarge, you kill some big dude who is apparently your arch-enemy and all of a sudden you're flying a ship back into earth's orbit and nobody explained anything and what the hell is that big venus flytrap thing with the tentacles? And why is it talking to Cortana at the end? Anyone? ANYONE??
- Only one level actually set on earth, when the whole focus of everything was supposed to be the battle for earth...not to be inexplicably teleported into outer space and onto ANOTHER FRIGGIN HALO with ANOTHER FRIGGIN LIBRARY
- Repetitive level design (AGAIN)
- Too easy, too quick to finish (<> 10hrs on Heroic and I'm not even that good)
- Cortana (the most annoying cliched sassy-grrl sidekick ever...although she *was* slightly more bearable than in Halo 1)
All up, probably the biggest disappointment of the year for me. It makes me sick to read the nauseating reviews all over the net (9.9, 5/5, 10/10, perfect, OMG, blah blah blah). There is no way this half-baked piece of crud deserves that kind of @ss-kissage.
My 2c. I am now preparing to be flamed.
RustAngel
Post by: BranTRoz on November 09, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
, I feel ya. I'm not denying that many things in the game were good (graphics, rendering, scale, balance)--but go back and watch that E3 demo from earlier this year. I realize now that they mislead the public intentionally with that piece of marketing in a ploy to distract plot spoilers, but the fact that it was ENTIRELY absent from the 10 hour game (I also beat it on Heroic), and that the best levels of the game (in my opinion) were over after the first 1.5 hours was quite a let-down.
I'm not even gonna chime-in on the untethered plot lines and the ending--it makes me want to cry myself to sleep. The only redeeming hope is that there will be downloadable content for single player, but even that would be a very M$-esque ploy to push people into buying xbox live. I'm trying REALLY hard not to be disappointed, but I'm starting to come around to the fact that this might just be a multiplayer game, and oh yeah... here's some single player in case you need a break. Anybody remember the feeling they had when they FINALLY saw Star Wars Episode I, and you wanted to like it SO much that you almost convinced yourself it was the best thing since oven-baked pizza, but then woke up and smelled the vomit? Yeah, something like that. Good, but not what it could have been.
-B
Post by: Skyblast on November 09, 2004, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: Yuyu on November 09, 2004, 07:32:00 PM
(BBL more Halo 2 to play
Early response system :: No this is not a flame, just saying I was not disappointed and I loved the game. That's it. No hidden agenda or motive
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on November 09, 2004, 07:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (zot23 @ Nov 8 2004, 04:22 PM) |
| Nope. Xbox 2 is supposed to come out next Fall by most estimates, and one year to make a whole new Halo game for all new hardware? Doubtful in the extreme. I would say expect a Halo 3 announcement when the xbox 2 lanuches next year and then waiting a year (or two) for Halo 3. As far as this game goes, there are one or two disappointments for me: * The ending needed to be one more level long. That ship was BEGGING to be blown up, why start Halo 3 with the climax that should have been in the end of Halo 2? Doesn't make any sense. * Bots. The AI in this game is pretty slick at helping out and taking cover. I don't see what would be wrong with having 8 bots in a 4 on 4 multiplayer game to help flush out the teams. Not a massive loss, but it would have been nice to have a bigger play option without needing 16 players. I didn't miss the ATV or Warthog varients. The gauss Warthog is available in multiplayer though, on one of the city levels. |
dont be to sure
originally bungie said that the game they were working on, and the storyline would wrap up halo for good
what it looks like to me is that they did the whole thing (like lord of the rings, all movie shot at once) but they decided to break it up at the most climatic point possible, while still being in the middle of the two games, and then all they have to do is make uo the new engine, but the vehicles, plot, characters are all ready to go
either way, halo 3 is a definite now
Post by: stinkytwinky on November 09, 2004, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: Heet on November 09, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Thraxen on November 10, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 10, 2004, 02:02:00 AM
Those two promised, and we get the damn Gauss Warthog, which is nothing more than a slightly modified version of HaloPC's Rocket Warthog...
And where the hell is the ATV? That was the biggest thing I was looking forward to, finally having a Human counterpart to the Ghost.
I didn't have a problem with the map selection in multi, with the exception that I really miss Sidewinder. I would gladly trade out almost any of the new levels if I could have an updated version of Sidewinder. The wide open space was perfect for Warthog demolition derbies, and now that we have destroyable vehicles, those would be even better.
I hope the Halo modders manage to figure out H2 fast, so either I or someone else can port some of the other great Halo1 MP levels to Halo2.
Post by: punisherex on November 10, 2004, 05:15:00 AM
PS SCREW BUNGIE for making me wait for a game i wonted to play for 2 years and dissapoint me im not buying the next one becaue it will probably be for XBOX2... THIS SUCKS ASS. DAM what a short game...HALO 1 was much longer and more entertaining...
Post by: stinkytwinky on November 10, 2004, 05:35:00 AM
Post by: pingrr on November 10, 2004, 06:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (punisherex @ Nov 10 2004, 08:18 AM) |
| I LOVE CAMPAIGN THIS GAME PISSED ME OFF I BEAT IT IN UNDER 3Hours they said it would take 13hours |
I don't see how someone could beet the game that fast.
Post by: BobBrkersMyHero on November 10, 2004, 06:57:00 AM
yes i was pretty dissapointed in this game..
they should have taken halo, made it xbox live compatible, and i would have been happy
Post by: BranTRoz on November 10, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
) and celebrate their new effort--and in some ways I do. Beyond that, though... I feel like I'm trying to sell myself on something that is decidedly really good, but at the same time NOT the re-invented wheel. ianmalcm has it right--I guess nothing can really withstand that much expectation and hype.
I feel like Bungie handed me a cool new popsicle... and two weeks later, I'm still trying to figure out what flavor it is.
-B
Post by: yaazz on November 10, 2004, 07:11:00 AM
Best game ever
Post by: crobar on November 10, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
why sell you the whole thing for one price when they can cut the story up and sell it for more...
and wait till the halo 3 demo comes out and the hype starts again!
its marketing...
Post by: powercntrl on November 10, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
Still, it was fun to play and I have no regrets about buying it. I think a lot of people bought too heavily into the hype and wouldn't be pleased unless Cortana jumped off the screen and gave them a blowjob. Post by: BlackRanger3d on November 10, 2004, 12:56:00 PM
H2 was got 9.9 and 10.
This is not a 10 game. More like a high 7 or low 8.
Oh well everyone has got an opinin.
Post by: RustAngel on November 10, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| why dont you guys bitch and complain some more, about a game the PUBLIC over hyped again and again stuff always has to be let out, its the way things work and the ending is bungies way of showing of a halo 3 to come, which could be very soon |
This has nothing to do with hype, I worked at freakin EB for 5 years, I'm immune to hype - when you work anywhere in the gaming industry you learn to ignore everything you read because of the apocalyptic quantity of BS that gets printed about every new game that comes out. I judged this game based on my own experience from the first Halo, and the things I thought Bungie would be able to achieve with that as a base, 3 years of time to develop, and the level of talent I believed they had in their staff. I mean they didn't even include such a basic feature as automatic map rotation in MP, Unreal Tournament has had that for how many years now?? FFS, this is just lazy shite, hype or no hype, if this game was released on its own the reviewers and the gaming community would have torn it apart. Just because it's called Halo 2, all of a sudden it's the best game in the world. I'm gonna go tie a rock to a stick and call it Halo 3...I should be a millionaire by the middle of next week.
And the ending is not "Bungie's Way", I'm so sick of people referring to them like they're some sort of mysterious deity that will reveal its mighty intelligence later on and that the amazing complexity of Halo 2 is somehow not meant to be understood by us lesser mortals. The ending SUCKS BALLS, plain and simple - it wasn't mysterious, it was just like they ran out of money, time and care and just thought "Yeeeah, that's good enough, just end it there...we're gonna make millions no matter how shitty this is, so why bother?"
I mean, it wasn't even a cliffhanger...cliffhangers are well-written and leave you wanting more...this was like picking up the hottest girl in the world in a bar, driving her home for 3 years and then finally discovering in the middle of having sex with her that she's actually not a girl at all, but a giant rotting artichoke monster. Then she vomits red-hot nails into your face, dies, and explodes, covering you in rotten mushy artichoke slime which will never wash off, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU SCRUB.
And powercntrl...
| QUOTE |
| I think a lot of people bought too heavily into the hype and wouldn't be pleased unless Cortana jumped off the screen and gave them a blowjob |
The only thing Cortana is getting from me is a DONKEY PUNCH
RustAngel
Post by: Thraxen on November 10, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It still amazes me how video game magazines can give reviews that so different then the feeling of the general market |
Hate to break it to you, but you few people in this thread are not the general market.
Post by: mrmat2000us on November 10, 2004, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: pdottz on November 10, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
mp for me isn't as great as it was for halo1. but come on, no one is ever going to get the same feeling from a sequel that they had from a game like halo1. that just flew out of nowhere and surprised everyone.
Halo2 was short i'll agree with that, but the story was pushed further. revealing more of the rings and why they are there. to tell the truth, i played the game for the story and wasn't disappointed except for the sudden cut off. kind of like reading a good book and then being forced to put it down to go to work or school or something important.
people have to remember, nothing will ever live up to awesome hype given to sequels. the matrix franchise comes to mind on this one.
spoils: the one thing that keeps me wondering is, how did that giant tentacle thing get ahold of the monitor and the prophet of regret. and why did 343 never mention it's existence.
ps. does anyone see the monitors as being over excited children that want to show everyone what they know. love the voices for them though. also about the voice acting, i think the arbiters voice was cool.
btw. what are the halo books called so i can read them?
Post by: RustAngel on November 11, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (IheartHuckabees @ Nov 11 2004, 01:49 AM) |
| how dumb are you? if you honestly knew bungie, youd know the ending is there way youd know they could possibly be revealing a rampart cortana (as the books said would happen) that could possibly fuck over humans youd know that a cliff hanger is always there style (after blowing up halo, your told its just started, which it was) but i guess your all to dumb to realize this just enjoy the game or shut the hell up |
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. There was nothing personal in my post, you just made yourself look like a pathetic Bungie fanboy who has nothing better to do than sling abuse at people who disagree with him. Come up with some real debate, or get the fuck off the forums.
RustAngel