Post by: Xbox-Scene on February 17, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
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Post by: jimk72 on February 17, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
Nice lol
Post by: MysticalMagnet on February 17, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: gsharpshooter on February 17, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
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Post by: BasicAir on February 17, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
I hope this is true. I really, really do.
Post by: dylan_snyder09 on February 17, 2008, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: sabbath_dude on February 17, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: FoxRacR17 on February 17, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
I would even be willing to purchase a new 360 if it had a built in blu ray player and was the new jasper mobo
Post by: metalcoat on February 17, 2008, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: decline1822 on February 17, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: DoTsTeR on February 17, 2008, 08:58:00 PM
man, I hope nobody believed that for even a second...
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Post by: o The Drizzle o on February 17, 2008, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: sicknasty413 on February 17, 2008, 09:20:00 PM
Advantages-
-Current 360 owners can easily experience HD movies at the fraction of the price of a stand-alone blue-ray player
-People can have the better console and still play blue-ray movies (slightly biased advantage lol)
-Competitiveness between an Xbox 360/blue-ray add-on and a PS3 will increase and eventually prices of either or both will decrease
-No more format war; all manufacturers can strictly focus on blue-ray thus bettering the technology as well as increasing competition and decreasing overall prices
-No more fanboy talk saying "well the ps3 can play blue-ray movies blah blah blah"
Disadvantages-
-blue-ray = sony = ewww
-With the format war being over, there's not much competition, so the price of blue-ray movies would stay the same
I'm sure there are other advantages/disadvantages.. but I'm on the -john- right now, so let me be.
These next few months should definitely be interesting.
P.S. I still need a 1080P T.V. argh!
Post by: ProphetOfPain on February 17, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
QUOTE(DoTsTeR @ Feb 18 2008, 04:58 AM) 
Maybe Xecuter will release a conversion kit that will turn the HD-DVD ADD-ON into a Blu-Ray player..
man, I hope nobody believed that for even a second...
The good news is you can buy the parts at the dollar general!
Post by: XPxAxBxLxOX on February 17, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
QUOTE(o The Drizzle o @ Feb 18 2008, 05:00 AM)
they should do combo drives... hddvd + bluray
I second that.
Post by: 88 Ecko Unltd 88 on February 17, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: brandogg on February 17, 2008, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: denverdallas on February 17, 2008, 10:36:00 PM
QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Feb 17 2008, 10:09 PM)
FUCK U SONY i think ill stick on the titanic like that guy who ....
Some advice.....
Learn to spell.
Learn to punctuate.
Learn grammar.
Learn to be a good loser. HD-DVD is dead as 30% of XBox 360s.
Post by: ZakMcRofl on February 17, 2008, 11:54:00 PM
I mean we know for roughly a month now that HD-DVD will fail and they expect us to believe that Microsoft is already working on a 360 with an included BluRay-drive - while we don't even have one with HD-DVD yet.
Post by: BenJeremy on February 18, 2008, 12:01:00 AM
QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Feb 17 2008, 10:09 PM)
FUCK U SONY i think ill stick on the titanic like that guy who made it and sunk down with it rather then go alive to the surface of the water. jack u and rose will have to get away from bluray u are hd dvd now go and make hddvds and pass them on like u did in that vehicle nd foged up the windows lmao sorry if this sounds confusing but if u have seen the movie and use ur imagination a bit im sure half of u will know what i mean
Well, if you watch the sequel, you'll notice that Jack survives, albeit in an unexpected manner.
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 12:14:00 AM
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Feb 18 2008, 01:28 AM)
Don't be an idiot. The HD-DVD addon plays movies in full 1080p. Why would a Blu-ray addon play in
"low definition"?
And while high but unofficial, the latest report has tha failure rate at about 16%. Not your exagerated fugure.
Learn some facts.
Don't be an idiot. Do your research. While the XBox360 outputs 1080p, the quality is so bad that any real movie buff can't help but comment on how bad it looks compared to the PS3 or any component HD-DVD or blu-ray player. Check the home theatre forums.
"Occasionally, the Xbox's output would slap us in the face with an ugly interlacing artifact. A brick wall in chapter 7 of Mission: Impossible 3, for example, looked especially annoying, vibrating in a way that brick walls most certainly shouldn't.
Video output was badly overscanned, meaning that movies were slightly cut off at the sides of the screen. And when I popped in a wide-screen standard-definition DVD, the image looked squeezed
The Xbox is also lacking in its audio support. Microsoft says the player can decode a variety of audio formats--Linear PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, DTS Digital Surround, Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital Plus--and it outputs audio only as Dolby Digital or PCM. "
Failure rates ... 30%. 16%. Still astonishingly high, compared to the PS3 < 1% failure rate.
Oh well, I guess that's the difference between a real console and a Microsoft kiddie toy.
QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Feb 18 2008, 02:30 AM)
I might have believed that rumour if it wouldn't include the "built-in" part.
Microsoft knew HD-DVD was doomed from the start. By making it a plug-in option, they didn't commit themselves. Now they get the chance to sell a whole new set of plug-in drives.
How to make money and screw your customers the American way....
Post by: krawhitham on February 18, 2008, 12:16:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 07:12 AM)
Considering what a poor quality HD player the XBOX360 is, why would you want to buy an external blu-ray drive just so it can play back blu-ray discs in low definition?
Get a real blu-ray player. Get a PS3.
Some advice.....
Learn to spell.
Learn to punctuate.
Learn grammar.
Learn to be a good loser. HD-DVD is dead as 30% of XBox 360s.
Better go buy yourself some new cords
The HD-DVD looks just as good as the A3 but with quicker load times
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 12:20:00 AM
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Feb 18 2008, 02:52 AM)
Better go buy yourself some new cords
The HD-DVD looks just as good as the A3 but with quicker load times
Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. The statement above shows that you have no idea what makes a good video image, so I guess the XBox360 HD-DVD player is perfect for you.
And since the A3 can only do 1080i, not 1080p......
Kiddie toys....
It's hard being right all the time.
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Feb 18 2008, 03:08 AM)
YOU ARE THE IDIOT with your original biased and Fanboyish comment that a Blu-Ray addon would be
"low definition". Why the fuck does it bother you that M$ is being commpetitive?? Uh mofo??
You are an obvious SONY crab (look at your effing post count) and proved it with your idiodic
"Oh well, I guess that's the difference between a real console and a Microsoft kiddie toy." comment.
Ooooo... guess I've been put in my place then.
Doesn't bother me at all that "M$" is being "commpetitive". Lots of room for kiddie toy makers in the world. Just don't try to tell me that Microsoft is making real home theatre quality gear. It's not, and never has.
Perhaps it's not so hard being right all the time....
Post by: lcprove on February 18, 2008, 12:37:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 02:50 AM)
Don't be an idiot. Do your research. While the XBox360 outputs 1080p, the quality is so bad that any real movie buff can't help but comment on how bad it looks compared to the PS3 or any component HD-DVD or blu-ray player. Check the home theatre forums.
"Occasionally, the Xbox's output would slap us in the face with an ugly interlacing artifact. A brick wall in chapter 7 of Mission: Impossible 3, for example, looked especially annoying, vibrating in a way that brick walls most certainly shouldn't.
Video output was badly overscanned, meaning that movies were slightly cut off at the sides of the screen. And when I popped in a wide-screen standard-definition DVD, the image looked squeezed
The Xbox is also lacking in its audio support. Microsoft says the player can decode a variety of audio formats--Linear PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, DTS Digital Surround, Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital Plus--and it outputs audio only as Dolby Digital or PCM. "
Failure rates ... 30%. 16%. Still astonishingly high, compared to the PS3 < 1% failure rate.
Oh well, I guess that's the difference between a real console and a Microsoft kiddie toy.
Microsoft knew HD-DVD was doomed from the start. By making it a plug-in option, they didn't commit themselves. Now they get the chance to sell a whole new set of plug-in drives.
How to make money and screw your customers the American way....
there is no difference in picture quality between the ps3 and the xbox 360 hd-dvd addon, it just depends on the movie itself. i have watched many movies on each and must say every movie i've seen on hd-dvd looked superb while some movies on blu-ray didn't look so hot. transformers on hd-dvd looks awesome but so does the spiderman trilogy on bd. if you think movies the 360 addon looks bad either your tv sux or you have some bad hd-dvd movies.
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 12:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Devedander @ Feb 18 2008, 03:13 AM)
(BTW the commonly accepted term for not high definition is standard definition). You only make yourself annoying, not believeable, when you spout off about something at least somewhat technical while proving how little you really know or understand the situation.
Oh boy. How simple it is to destroy you. "Standard definition" is 480i, 480p, 576i or 576p, depending on PAL or NTSC. Since the XBox outputs 760 or 1080, it is outputing high definition. The problem is that it's output is so bad that the best you can call it is low definition. The problems with the video output degrade the image.
Simple as that.
I'm right again.
QUOTE(lcprove @ Feb 18 2008, 03:13 AM)
there is no difference in picture quality between the ps3 and the xbox 360 hd-dvd addon, it just depends on the movie itself. i have watched many movies on each and must say every movie i've seen on hd-dvd looked superb while some movies on blu-ray didn't look so hot. transformers on hd-dvd looks awesome but so does the spiderman trilogy on bd. if you think movies the 360 addon looks bad either your tv sux or you have some bad hd-dvd movies.
Yeah, sure. Another HD-DVD defender who has not watched either format on a good display. Your statements prove that.
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Feb 18 2008, 03:18 AM)
Read the other posts. I'm not the only one putting you in your place you
"low definition" mofo.
No, but you are right up there with other members of the ignorant crowd. You are just so wrong that it's hard to know where to start.
I'll make it simple for you. I am right and you are wrong. Trying to explain it any more fully would be like trying to explain relativity to a monkey. You will never understand, so why would I waste my time trying.
mofo???? Did you really use that term? I didn't think anyone actually used that term in real life.
Post by: biseroner on February 18, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
Post by: TheIrishLad on February 18, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 02:22 AM)
Oh boy. How simple it is to destroy you. "Standard definition" is 480i, 480p, 576i or 576p, depending on PAL or NTSC. Since the XBox outputs 760 or 1080, it is outputing high definition. The problem is that it's output is so bad that the best you can call it is low definition. The problems with the video output degrade the image.
Simple as that.
I'm right again.
A tad arrogant aren't we? Especially for not even knowing the Xbox 360 outputs in 720p and 1080i/p, not 760...
I love it when some clueless kid comes here and dashes off a couple paragraphs trying to argue their point. That's great, except you don't provide ANY proof whatsoever to back up your stance. None at all, so apparently your word is as good as gold, or you're simply a Sony fan boy who feels the need to prove everyone wrong.
The greatest irony would be you replying to this post with either "...go to the home theater forums..." or more senseless dribble with no sources to back it up.
No one likes a troll, especially an arrogant one.
Grow up.Post by: Mhawk134 on February 18, 2008, 01:06:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 01:50 AM)
Don't be an idiot. Do your research. While the XBox360 outputs 1080p, the quality is so bad that any real movie buff can't help but comment on how bad it looks compared to the PS3 or any component HD-DVD or blu-ray player. Check the home theatre forums.
"Occasionally, the Xbox's output would slap us in the face with an ugly interlacing artifact. A brick wall in chapter 7 of Mission: Impossible 3, for example, looked especially annoying, vibrating in a way that brick walls most certainly shouldn't.
Video output was badly overscanned, meaning that movies were slightly cut off at the sides of the screen. And when I popped in a wide-screen standard-definition DVD, the image looked squeezed
The Xbox is also lacking in its audio support. Microsoft says the player can decode a variety of audio formats--Linear PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, DTS Digital Surround, Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital Plus--and it outputs audio only as Dolby Digital or PCM. "
Failure rates ... 30%. 16%. Still astonishingly high, compared to the PS3 < 1% failure rate.
Oh well, I guess that's the difference between a real console and a Microsoft kiddie toy.
Microsoft knew HD-DVD was doomed from the start. By making it a plug-in option, they didn't commit themselves. Now they get the chance to sell a whole new set of plug-in drives.
How to make money and screw your customers the American way....
This is why your on an Xbox 360 forum, and not in the PS3 section.
Hawk
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 01:21:00 AM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Feb 18 2008, 03:38 AM)
A tad arrogant aren't we? Especially for not even knowing the Xbox 360 outputs in 720p and 1080i/p, not 760...
Oooo... a typo on my part. Oh well. I'm still right and you are still wrong.
Back to the topic then. HD-DVD is inferior and has lost the fight against the superior Blu-Ray format. No matter what you say, Microsoft backed a loser. They knew it would lose, and still continued to deceive their customers.
Guess you'll need to ask mommy to buy you a real console now.
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Feb 18 2008, 03:40 AM)
Oooohhh looky who we have here.... A Sony fanboy in an Xbox forum. Fighting tooth and nail for
what he thinks he knows. Only that the more he speaks the more he proves to the world how big
of a Sony crab (little critters that live in pubic hair) he is. Perhaps proving that he is talking directly
from Mr. Kutaragi's crotch.
Put in my place again.... I'm crying here... with laughter. I love being right all the time. Just how old are you? 14? 16 at the most.
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Feb 18 2008, 03:38 AM)
so apparently your word is as good as gold,
Yep, it is. Trust me, I am right. I don't need to explain why, as you are so obviously wrong that it's not worth my time.
Post by: lcprove on February 18, 2008, 01:47:00 AM
why are you on this forum? really i should ask myself the same question since there is no way i will be buying a blu-ray addon for the 360 since i already own a ps3 but i just like reading xbox scene. anyways, you really must be unintelligent stating what i have or haven't done. truth is i own almost every game system made for the past 15 years and have indeed watched movies on both the 360 addon and the ps3. i use the 42hl167 (42" toshiba regza) for everything. if you negate the supposed green problems with this tv (i've had none and use custom color configurations) then you'd see my tv is just fine. my ID on the PS3 network is the same as on my 360, MONEYandHOS. you need to go troll elsewhere.
Post by: TheIrishLad on February 18, 2008, 02:14:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 02:57 AM)
Oooo... a typo on my part. Oh well. I'm still right and you are still wrong.
Back to the topic then. HD-DVD is inferior and has lost the fight against the superior Blu-Ray format. No matter what you say, Microsoft backed a loser. They knew it would lose, and still continued to deceive their customers.
Guess you'll need to ask mommy to buy you a real console now.
Are you one of those people who by mindlessly repeating something over and over you convince yourself you're right? "I know I'm right...I know I'm right...." With every idiotic post you make it just keeps digging yourself deeper and shows exactly what kind of person you are. A $ony fanboy.
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 02:57 AM)
Yep, it is. Trust me, I am right. I don't need to explain why, as you are so obviously wrong that it's not worth my time.
Arrogance at its finest. You're right, you don't need to explain why, because you can't. Go crawl back under your bridge...I'm sick of arguing with you, I'm beating you so badly it is getting pathetic...Maybe join the local debate club and try to brush up on your skills.
Post by: Hack_kid on February 18, 2008, 02:17:00 AM
Oh about your stupid fanboy rant about not having DTS, umm you ever pressed START and gone to the Advanced Settings Tab you can pick DTS DD DD+ DDTrueHD DD 2.1 and PCM. So go fuck yourself
Post by: Chancer on February 18, 2008, 02:25:00 AM
Drop it now and debate sensibly the issue or the thread gets closed. there is nothing in it but childish fighting anyway.
Make points from either view but be respectful and clear.
On Topic.
I can see MS doing this. Why would they not? The cost will be a factor (Retail cost).
Just as I said in the earlier thread it is amazing how many people that say they would never support BR will buy this drive and do exactly that.
I hope it comes off, it will help drive prices down if it is pitched at a reasonable level.
No more petty name calling please
Post by: Glitch Lord on February 18, 2008, 02:44:00 AM
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on February 18, 2008, 03:04:00 AM
Still happy with my DVDs thanks. I haven't seen HD films take off in Europe at all
Post by: andi_06 on February 18, 2008, 03:40:00 AM
QUOTE
Microsoft see the HD format battle moving online with consumers offered 1080p movie and content files as a download
Not sure if anyone is from australia here, but I cant see that as a possibility in this continent anytime soon.
Adsl2 + is only just rolling out and the download caps per month along with price is outrageous.
Post by: jdconn01 on February 18, 2008, 03:57:00 AM
Post by: bassquake on February 18, 2008, 04:58:00 AM
Post by: erexx on February 18, 2008, 05:06:00 AM
This is just one of the more misleading things these people constantly repeat.
There is no way DLC can penetrate as deeply into the market as removable media can.
There are many differences in what can be done and cannot be done with both.
They dont compete.
They compliment.
Sorry HD-DVD lost.
Its an equal but unlucky format.
Post by: hawkolugy on February 18, 2008, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: Martinchris23 on February 18, 2008, 05:43:00 AM
QUOTE(bassquake @ Feb 18 2008, 12:34 PM)
The external drive better have updateable firmware to get profile updates seeing as the bluray's specs still arent finalised.
The output and supported profiles would be handled by the console itself. The drive itself will just be a USB connected external drive. The second mistake with the HD-DVD addon was it was unnecessarily bulky. Given the size of the PS3 and Wii drive assembly, there's no reason to make it this big. Create a slim unit and you'll make it much more appealing. Having said this, I still don't think I'd buy one - I think it'll be severely overpriced and if I'm going to have another bulky unit sat next to the 360, it may as well be a PS3.
Post by: bucko on February 18, 2008, 06:47:00 AM
Seriously none of this news is confirmed yet so don't hold on to your guns just yet.
Post by: zX_Storm on February 18, 2008, 08:12:00 AM
Post by: troyBORG on February 18, 2008, 08:32:00 AM
Its going to take me forever to remember that is is "Blu-Ray" and not "Blue-Ray"
Post by: BasicAir on February 18, 2008, 08:55:00 AM
I've had the 360 HD DVD addon for over a year now. I also have over 60 HD DVD titles. Both old titles and new titles look absolutely perfect on my 56" 1080p television. Some look better than others, obviously, but that's not the players' fault but rather the source/transfer.
As for internet forums, I've been a contributer on AVS Forums for years in the HD DVD and Blu-ray sections. AVS Forums are considered amongst the top forums for intelligent home theater discussion throughout the entire internet. I have yet to see anything but possibly 1 in 1,000 people make any kind of claim about the HD DVD addon as this guy is. On the contrary, I'd say about 1/2 the people in the HD DVD hardware and software forums on AVS Forums own the Xbox 360 HD DVD addon. Well over 95% of them have never reported any claims about it being subpar at all but rather really enjoy their players like myself.
Not only is does the Xbox 360 HD DVD addon perform just as well as standalone HD DVD players, but there are other advantages to having an 'addon' over a built-in player as well:
*** Portability: You can easilly transport the player to a friend or family members' house.
*** Adaptability: You can connect and play the addon on a PC which means you've got an HD player for life.
*** Less expensive: Since the 360 does a lot of the processing and outputting work, the addon can be made more cheaply and sold for less.
*** Future uses: Sure a PC can always use your addon, but future versions of the Xbox will most certainly allow for the addon(s) to connect and play through.
Post by: Reaper527 on February 18, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Lush @ Feb 18 2008, 11:09 AM)
it would be nice to see microsoft adopt blu-ray... its a much better format...
why exactly is it a much better format? if your talking spec for spec about the formats them self, and exclude who the studios supported, they are pretty much equal, with the exception that hd-dvd is region free, and can be made without needing major changes from the dvd production plants.
who the studios supported is a completely different issue from one format being 'much better' than the other.
Post by: 1nsan3 on February 18, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: SphtKr76 on February 18, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(hawkolugy @ Feb 18 2008, 06:02 AM)
How is this going to work with the Xbox 360's that do not support hdmi? Will it let you output 1080p through component? I really doubt the blu camp will allow it...as that was one of the things I liked about the HD-DVD addon it allowed 1080p over component.
Actually the 360 limits HD DVD output to 1080i over component.
QUOTE(Lezlyte @ Feb 18 2008, 10:40 AM)
The HD-DVD player doesn't allow a magical upgrade to the 360's graphical output. You are limited to 1080i over component no matter what type of picture the 360 is outputing (game, DVD, dashboard). However, 1080i and 1080p have the same resolution, so the difference is in sharpness, the scaling would remain the same.
FAIL Sorry man, but you are completely wrong, games can be output at 1080p native if the title supports it, or 1080p scaled over component. Also, non copy protected videos can also be scaled to 1080p over component. Maybe do some research before posting FUD.
I would consider buying a BR add on drive IF they found some way to allow lossless audio output.
Post by: Reaper527 on February 18, 2008, 12:59:00 PM
QUOTE(SphtKr76 @ Feb 18 2008, 02:42 PM)
FAIL Sorry man, but you are completely wrong, games can be output at 1080p native if the title supports it, or 1080p scaled over component. Also, non copy protected videos can also be scaled to 1080p over component. Maybe do some research before posting FUD.
how many tv's actually support 1080p over component? as a general rule of thumb, 1080p is only possible over hdmi/vga. most 1080p tv's will not accept a 1080p signal over component, making it irrelevant if the 360 is willing to output it or not. i think you are correct that the 360 can output 1080p over component, but it is a moot point in 99%+ of 360 setups
Post by: SphtKr76 on February 18, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:35 PM)
how many tv's actually support 1080p over component? as a general rule of thumb, 1080p is only possible over hdmi/vga. most 1080p tv's will not accept a 1080p signal over component, making it irrelevant if the 360 is willing to output it or not. i think you are correct that the 360 can output 1080p over component, but it is a moot point in 99%+ of 360 setups
Doesn't really matter. This dude is saying its not possible, which it clearly is. Off hand I know that all Samsung DLP's and some Sony SXRD can. I am using it right now on my Sammy.
Post by: BasicAir on February 18, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(SphtKr76 @ Feb 18 2008, 09:38 PM)
Doesn't really matter. This dude is saying its not possible, which it clearly is. Off hand I know that all Samsung DLP's and some Sony SXRD can. I am using it right now on my Sammy.
Yeah before I got my Elite 360 with HDMI I had my 360 over component set to 1080p to my Samsung. When I got my Elite with HDMI I really don't notice but maybe a 5% picture quality difference at all and that 5% is probably because it's an HDMI/digital signal and not a component/analog signal rather than a 1080i/p signal.
Either way, 1080p over component is possible but it's very true that many tvs and monitors will not accept a 1080p component signal.
About 50% of consumers who are buying HDTV's can't even tell a difference between 720p and 1080p though so most people won't notice a difference between 1080i and 1080p. That's the reason MS said they didn't need HDMI or 1080p when the 360 launched -- Because most consumers would notice 0% difference and those who would see the difference would see less than 10% difference.
But, w/e. This thread is supposed to be about a Blu-ray addon for the 360. Again, I hope this is true. I'd love to return my 80gb PS3 but as it stands right now the PS3 is the best bang for your buck in a Blu-ray player. It's one of the cheapest Blu-ray players (only 1 or 2 standalones are cheaper) and it has the best response time and the best support for firmware/feature upgrades via Sony over PSN. That's why I bought a PS3. But a Blu-ray addon for the 360 would be even cheaper and have just as good of support via XBL for firmware/features. So I'd return my PS3 in a heartbeat.
If it really is May that this could release, Wal-Mart would still return my PS3 for a full refund.
Post by: Steve-0 on February 18, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: BasicAir on February 18, 2008, 04:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Steve-0 @ Feb 18 2008, 11:07 PM)
so if it was a external drive you could just add a usb hub and run both at once, or make a 1337 case mod and incorporate both hd dvd and blu ray into one case.
You wouldn't even need a USB hub. The 360 has a USB input in the back and 2 in the front. You could use a USB hub but you wouldn't need to.
Also, you could just plug in the Blu-ray addon to the back of the HD DVD addon since it has a USB connection on it's back.
Post by: denverdallas on February 18, 2008, 06:43:00 PM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Feb 18 2008, 04:50 AM)
I'm sick of arguing with you, I'm beating you so badly it is getting pathetic...
Hahahahahahahaha....
That is so funny. You beating me? Back to basics. I've got a Blu-Ray player, you have a doorstop. The fact that you made the wrong decision, despite all the evidence telling you that HD-DVD would die, says a lot about your technical skills.
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Feb 18 2008, 11:31 AM)
As for internet forums, I've been a contributer on AVS Forums for years in the HD DVD and Blu-ray sections. AVS Forums are considered amongst the top forums for intelligent home theater discussion throughout the entire internet. I have yet to see anything but possibly 1 in 1,000 people make any kind of claim about the HD DVD addon as this guy is.
Yes, well that proves that you are lying. AVS is full of posts from people having quality problems with the XBox360 HD add-on. Most problems revolve around the poor software decoding implementation, rather than the drive itself. Just producing a new Blu-Ray add-on will not solve those problems. The whole decoding subsystem needs to be re-written, as it was a rushed, botched job.
Perhaps outsource this to Sony?
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 18 2008, 05:01 AM)
This thread is full of nothing but rubbish between you all. By the way calling someone a MOFO in here twice gets you in strife.
Apparently not. It seems quite acceptable in this forum to use any language you like. Just what I would expect from a bunch of kiddies.
Post by: SphtKr76 on February 18, 2008, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 07:19 PM)
Hahahahahahahaha....
Yes, well that proves that you are lying. AVS is full of posts from people having quality problems with the XBox360 HD add-on. Most problems revolve around the poor software decoding implementation, rather than the drive itself. Just producing a new Blu-Ray add-on will not solve those problems. The whole decoding subsystem needs to be re-written, as it was a rushed, botched job.
Wrong. ALL HD DVD and Blu Ray players have some issues with disc playback, even the vaunted PS3. I won a Toshiba HD DVD player, a PS3 and the 360 add on drive, and can say that they have all had disc issues at one point. Do you own one to be able to make an informed opinion, or are you just going off of other people on the interwebs opinion? Yeah, thats what I thought. Go back to your Blu-Ray.com, or are you a Sonydefenseforce.com guy?
Post by: Martinchris23 on February 19, 2008, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 19 2008, 02:19 AM)
Hahahahahahahaha....
/snip
Why are you trolling?? This thread is already being moderated and will just result in your stuff being deleted.
Seriously, grow up.
Post by: Chancer on February 19, 2008, 02:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Feb 19 2008, 10:05 AM)
Why are you trolling?? This thread is already being moderated and will just result in your stuff being deleted.
Seriously, grow up.
Nobody reply to him any more. His posts are purely antagonistic. I will see to his posting rights now so please ignore his comments completely. It will be his last post in here.
Edit
He is away for a fortnight. If anyone spots him posting here under a new account let me know.
The thread carries on and thank you to those that are contributing viewpoints from both sides of the field, sensibly
2nd Edit
He is away for good so we can forget him.
Post by: 0794 on February 19, 2008, 02:47:00 PM
anyways, i welcome the idea of either a blu-ray internal and/or external drive as long as the regular 360s continue to be sold. hopefully the childish bashing of either format will start to cease and the consumers can see some benefits of a united front with current HD optical media.
as for me, i will wait for prices to come down as owning an HD player is just not that big of a deal for me right now since i am satisfied with my current home theater and upscaled DVDs or HD broadcasts...that should provide me ample time to explore all of the HD-on demand capabilities currently offered and/or soon to be released...
Post by: hawkolugy on March 20, 2008, 04:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Lezlyte @ Feb 18 2008, 06:40 PM)
The HD-DVD player doesn't allow a magical upgrade to the 360's graphical output. You are limited to 1080i over component no matter what type of picture the 360 is outputing (game, DVD, dashboard). However, 1080i and 1080p have the same resolution, so the difference is in sharpness, the scaling would remain the same.
Actually it does allow 1080p over component but I meant to say non-digital inputs like component or VGA will the Blu drive allow 1080p over VGA like the HD DVD?
Post by: chrislynch on March 20, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
QUOTE(hawkolugy @ Mar 20 2008, 03:22 AM)
Actually it does allow 1080p over component but I meant to say non-digital inputs like component or VGA will the Blu drive allow 1080p over VGA like the HD DVD?
It should. We can only be speculative at this point.
Based on the HD-DVD and Blu-ray specs, in order to get 1080p display, the content should require HDCP. Component does *not* have enough bandwidth to support 1080p AND HDCP. VGA, being an analog technology, still has the ability to display 1080p resolutions and has enough capacity (barely) to allow HDCP. HDMI is the proper way to go for full 1080p and HDCP support. Of course, DVI supports HDCP, if the two devices (the source playing the content, and the monitor/TV) support HDCP over DVI.
I personally do not want Microsoft to add an internal Blu-ray drive to the 360. If anyone here as even looked at what developers have to do in order to get their games onto a Blu-ray disk, you wouldn't want them to either. An external Blu-ray drive I would accept with the current generation of the 360. If Microsoft wants to add a vastly improved Blu-ray drive into the Xbox 720, or whatever it's going to be called, I welcome it. Games are getting larger, and I don't want another game like Lost Oddessy (sp?) to contain 4 dDVD's just for the game.