Post by: Xbox-Scene on March 06, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
Sony, Microsoft discuss Blu-ray for Xbox 360 *Update: MS Denies* Posted by XanTium | March 6 15:10 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: avatar1976 on March 06, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Post by: Tiuk on March 06, 2008, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: Andronicus on March 06, 2008, 02:50:00 PM
Now that there is no risk of obsilesence, M$ may start puting these in primium consols. I think the real reason they did not do that with HD was that they were scared, and not willing to bet it all the way Sony did.
Post by: Steve-0 on March 06, 2008, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: 88 Ecko Unltd 88 on March 06, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: x881 on March 06, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Post by: mrp04 on March 06, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
QUOTE(x881 @ Mar 6 2008, 11:08 PM) 
Here it is Xbox 360 blu-ray add-on.
Now that everyone knows about it, I am not bound by the NDA I signed in summer when I bought my own 360 blu-ray addon!
Post by: Ponxplus on March 06, 2008, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on March 06, 2008, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(x881 @ Mar 6 2008, 11:08 PM)
Here it is Xbox 360 blu-ray add-on.
CODE
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/x881/blu.jpg
The RoL should be 3/4 Red
Post by: bucko on March 06, 2008, 03:41:00 PM
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Post by: prplehz on March 06, 2008, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: FourStarKidd04 on March 06, 2008, 03:50:00 PM
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Post by: Seina on March 06, 2008, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: xlx Methos xlx on March 06, 2008, 05:15:00 PM
Yes putting the HD-dvd player in the 360 would have giving that a boost, but if it would have been included would xbox sold 17mil? probably not, it would have been another 6 months to a year before the 360 would have hit the market, then there wouldn't be as much of a lead.
I am concerned about the whole "we are focused on games" bit that Microsoft has said, it makes me feel that we will never see a blu-ray drive with the 360. I would happily buy a blu-ray add-on if it's released, and probably fairly quickly after they were released since blu-ray is now the winner, but if they don't release it then I will have to add yet another thing to my entertainment system, and i actually like having only 1 item hooked up to my tv to do everything.
here is one idea of why blu-ray might not hit 360, but i could be mistaken. i know that hd-dvd didn't require hdmi to play, i wonder if blu-ray does require hdmi? if that's the case then it's possible that microsoft would think that it wouldn't be fair that 5-8 million consoles wouldn't be able to use the add-on.
Post by: DAvidl919 on March 06, 2008, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: controller-guy on March 06, 2008, 07:00:00 PM
they should have made thir own media and done it on launch like ps3 did.
toshiba=HD dvd
sony=blue-ray
microsoft=huh?
they never got in the race so why bother now let alone partner with their enemy lol if that is the case their getting desperate now
and I totally agree with other above get off the hd blue ray things it is not why they were bought in the first place.
instead:
make XBL better
fix different problems with XBL
make more games
make more game previews
do more giveaway's
do anything but get off this new media crap and wasting time and money for whatever media when it should be going to the players that buy and play the games.
that it was meant for in the first place for somebody that has a player in their living room or on their pc could care less what xbox is doing with this media stuff its not why they bought the console there intrested in the gaming they bought the console for not watching a damn movie on whatever format.
has anyone bought a new xbox 360 and hd player just so you could watch movies but you never had any intension of playing a game for it?
common now.
Post by: kilroy2 on March 06, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
If MS does not release an internal BD player for the 360, then what do you think consumers that want a game console and a hi-def movie box will buy? Consumers that have the money to spend on game consoles are the same consumers that want hi-def players.
Do you think they will buy a 360 ($350) AND a stand-alone BD player ($400)? Forget about the fact that the two separate components would cost more than a single PS3.... who wants extra equipment in their already overcrowded equipment shelves?
I own three 360's in my home, and I would like to purchase a BD player. I have been holding off waiting for the prices to come down on the movie titles.
Now when title prices get reasonable and the selection of titles is adequate, I will start to replace the 800+ standard-def titles in my collection with BD.
So I am committed to purchase multiple BD players in the future....
Now which BD player will I buy?
From what I read, all the stand-alone players are currently not software upgradable, which means there will always be limitations to future "profiles," but I've heard the PS3 can handle future profile definitions.
From a standpoint of which BD player would I purchase... purely because of upgradability -- it's a PS3.
If others do what I do, that will mean more PS3 sales and that will put Sony's console numbers way up. Hey Microsoft - you should be expecting this. If you're not, get your collective heads out of the sand.
On the other hand, if MS were to release an Xbox 365 with internal BD player (and larger hard drive), I'd buy three of them and gift my older Xbox 360s to my nephews.
To clarify, MS should release an add-on external BD player for everyone that wants BD and already has a 360, AND they should release a new console version with BD built-in.
Lastly, here's my last reality-check: MS says it was format neutral, and instead said that the future they wanted was in download-able content. But wait a second -- the 360 only has a 20Gb hard drive in it. If my math is correct, that means I'd only be able to download and watch a single hi-def movie at any given time. Not interested! I'd rather have the movie on a disc that I can let friends and co-workers borrow when I am done with it.
-Kilroy
PS. How could HD-DVD have have crushed BD? Hind sight is 20/20, but here's the recipe I told everyone from the beginning:
a) require all movie titles to be dual-format (HD & SD) discs, allowing people that didn't yet have a HD player to purchase movies today and still guarantee compatibility tomorrow.
B) sell the dual-format titles for within $5 of the SD-only titles.
c) inexpensive stand-alone players from the beginning.
d) 360's should have had HD-DVD players internal from the beginning.
Post by: Zod5000 on March 06, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Mar 6 2008, 11:42 PM)
If Ms had just put the damn hddvd drive in the 360 in the first place. The user hddvd base would have been much larger and there would have been more hddvd disks sold I think. Then they wouldn't be in the situation they are now. They shot themselves in the foot and are now going to have to pay Sony to use bluray, ha ha ha... Sucks for us though. How about a dual format drive, even though hddvd is dead atleast we could still use our hddvd disks.
HD DVd players weren't really out yet when the 360 came out. So if they had opted to put one in the original 360, its release would more then likely of been delayed, and the cost would been higher. And those were its two most competitive points against the ps3 release.
I think for console sales, it really gave them a leg up not trying to get it in there.
Post by: dokworm on March 06, 2008, 08:03:00 PM
I am sick of the ton of components in my rack.
What I really want is a game console with a Bluray drive and an integrated HD tuner and Tivo functionality.
*that* I would pay big bucks for and throw out all my other stuff.
but seriously, the people who are looking at buying a standalone bluray player are similar to the market that MS says they want to go after next. the slightly more casual gamer.
What would they buy? the PS3 is looking so much better to that market now. sure the hardcore gamer would still look at the 360, but the *much larger* market for the less hardcore gamer (but not say the super casual gamers that the wii has targetted) will be owned by the PS3 unless MS does something to make the thing quieter and be able to play Bluray discs.
Oh yeah, and I want to be able to put my own frickin' hard drive in it and not be limited to 120GB that costs as much as a 500GB drive.
Post by: SynPanda on March 06, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
As PRO360 as I am, if thats true then it could mean the beginning to the end.
For those too young to recall, the DEATH of the most AWESOME Dreamcast, was due to movies...
I loved that system, still have it, but it died VERY quickly and while there was speculation of why, it was in fact due to the PS2 that came out having DVD capabilities.... Sega didnt and was QUICKLY aged out, the PS2 drowned the Dreamcast...
If MS doesn't open its doors to the new format, then we could have history repeat itself.
Another casuality fold under due to the SONY giant (which I hate)...
Post by: AdamWest on March 06, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
A PS3 replacement laser costs around 50 bucks where the current 360 laser is from 5 to 15 bucks.
An external blu ray would be a better idea so that you can play games on the internal DVD drive and play your movies on the external blu ray drive.
Poor Dreamcast I remember them. I think Sega should have quit when the Saturn and Sega CD went under personally. They always were 2 steps behind on the technology.
Post by: jdsony on March 07, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
Post by: MaulerX on March 07, 2008, 12:58:00 AM
They wrote: "Microsoft begging Sony for Xbox 360 Blu-ray drive"
Those guys just make me vomit.
Post by: Nexjin on March 07, 2008, 01:33:00 AM
Post by: TVDave on March 07, 2008, 03:39:00 AM
Now that Blu-Ray has won, I picked up the last 40GB PS3 Spiderman Bundle that my Best Buy had. I don't intend to by PS3 games, but I'm sure down the line they will steal more than just a few sales from my X360.
If MS put HD-DVD in the Xbox 360, yes they could have won both the HD format war and console war. Their arrogance is costing them, and now, if they don't want to lose the console war too, they need to put Blu-Ray into the Xbox 360, even if is only for movies.
Too bad they they're following standard policy and issuing denials. If instead they were to say, "Xbox 360 with Blu-Ray integrated next month!" I wouldn't have bought the PS3 and would have waited for that Xbox 360 to keep playing all my games with a controller at actually provides rumble feedback. (yes, I know PS3 will have rumble, but not in the US for a few more months) Their denail (if true or not) is not protecting existing product. It's hurting existing and all future product by making people jump on the PS3 bandwagon NOW!
Post by: chronno on March 07, 2008, 08:38:00 AM
I submit that with all this information, not only would Microsoft be in a better position now if it had released the Xbox360 with the HD-DVD like they originally planed, but HD-DVD would have won out over BluRay long ago. More people would have purchased the Xbox360 to get a cheap HD player putting the HD-DVD in a better position. The same number of people would have purchased the Xbox360 that did for the games.
Of course this is all hypothetical and actually don't mean anything since that isn't the way it went.
Microsoft would be making a similar mistake if the don't release a BluRay player for the Xbox.
Post by: Chancer on March 07, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE
The Xbox is upgradeable, the PS3 is not.
Could you quantify what you mean by that?
I can't think to what you refer but the PS3 is upgradeable as a BR player via software updates, as is the dash and other features of the PS3.
Post by: ES0090 on March 07, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
As reported by The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer took part in an onstage conversation at the companys Mix08 Internet conference in Las Vegas Thursday, where the topics discussed included Microsofts high-def plans following the discontinuation of Toshibas HD DVD format.
Without offering specifics, Ballmer said the company will work to support Blu-ray.
We've already been working on, for example, in Windows, device driver support for Blu-ray drives and the like, Ballmer stated. I think the world moves on. Toshiba has moved on. We've moved on, and we'll support Blu-ray in ways that make sense.
http://hddvd.highdef...
Post by: TVDave on March 07, 2008, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: kilroy2 on March 10, 2008, 08:00:00 AM
Wouldn't it be scary if someday in the future, years after MS licenses Blu-Ray from Sony, that someone discovers a hidden rootkit in the code Sony supplied to Microsoft?
Does anyone remember the debacle from a few years back?
http://www.usatoday....y-rootkit_x.htm
Image that....
-Kilroy
Post by: chronno on March 10, 2008, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Mar 7 2008, 08:47 PM)
Could you quantify what you mean by that?
I can't think to what you refer but the PS3 is upgradeable as a BR player via software updates, as is the dash and other features of the PS3.
Hardware. If you have a 20G PS3 but fill it than you have to sell your current one and buy a 60G. With a 360 all you have to do is get a new drive. There's something else hardware wise that I saw in the comparisons but I don't remember what it was. Both are software upgradable but when was the last time you had to sit for 4 hours to upgrade your 360?
Post by: scuba156 on March 10, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
the PS3 does NOT take 4 hours to update, it takes roughly 10 minutes. why not do something while it updates? go for a walk, get some excersise.
the PS3 HDD is more upgradable than the 360. the PS3 will accept any 2.5inch HDD and use it, you can add your own 250Gb HDD if you want to. with the xbox, you have to buy the insanely over priced MS HDD's which are limited to 20Gb and 120Gb (and soon, 60Gb).
where do you get your facts from?
Post by: scuba156 on March 11, 2008, 01:47:00 AM
granted, some people may want these things integrated, but its a very small market share, which even half of that market share would even buy the SKU due to it either being to pricey, or due to them already having an xbox
i cannot see why having wireless integrated or a 250Gb hard drive will inspire you to buy games. neither is needed to play games, and as you said you do not use xbox live, then those two things would go to waste
Post by: Chancer on March 11, 2008, 02:52:00 AM
QUOTE(chronno @ Mar 10 2008, 05:10 PM)
Hardware. If you have a 20G PS3 but fill it than you have to sell your current one and buy a 60G. With a 360 all you have to do is get a new drive. There's something else hardware wise that I saw in the comparisons but I don't remember what it was. Both are software upgradable but when was the last time you had to sit for 4 hours to upgrade your 360?
You are misinformed. The PS3 is upgradeable with a standard, widely available drive.
I never had to sit for 4 hours to upgrade either.
There is hardly any perceptible difference in software upgrading either.
Your facts are ...well not facts at all.
Post by: kilroy2 on September 09, 2008, 04:41:00 PM
In my house that now means I have 3x Xbox 360, 2x PS3 and 1x Wii.
But even more interesting is that while on vacation with a bunch of friends for one friend's 40th birthday, I bought him a PS3 because I knew he'd love a Blu-Ray player.
After giving him the gift, the other friends asked me why I gave a game console to someone who didn't play games.
I replied, noting that the games play is an added bonus -- the PS3 is the most upgradable Blu-Ray player out there and makes a great media center as well. After a few questions from the group it was clear to see that Sony will be selling at least another handful of PS3 Blu-Ray players in the short term.
I did remind all present that if they wanted to play games, the 360 was my recommendation, but if they wanted a Blu-Ray player and maybe a game or two, the PS3 was the clear choice for $400.
Microsoft, I again remind you a that you are making a poor decision to not make a Blu-Ray version of the 360 available.