Post by: XanTium on July 31, 2007, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Takieda on July 31, 2007, 09:22:00 PM
Forgoing that, what *could* have some of our best games have been like if they were designed with the knowledge that everyone *would* have HDD's? Would Oblivion have been a smoother experience? perhaps without having to load to go in and out of cities?
The only real upshot to having a removable hard drive is the fact that you can 'upgrade" the hard drive, with highly overly expensive Microsoft products.
A high definition disc would have been nice, but that might have pushed back the release fo the 360, as well as given developers more room to fill out games, etc. But the fact of the matter is that the high definition media tends to load more slowly, and, in general, all that extra stuff they *would* have put in, is usually given as add-ons (with the sorrowful addition of a price tacked on - but hey, at least it gives the developer's incentive to continuing to support a product LONG after its initial release, as well as give you extras that you might never have gotten with the disc, such as large numbers of extra levels, or tracks, as well as entirely new campaigns, etc. These do happen already, even without the XBL Marketplace, but they would be far less frequent, IMO, without it).
Post by: Andrew_Roy on July 31, 2007, 11:29:00 PM
And a really stupid one when you remember we're talking about Xbox here.
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Post by: GEORGIA0927 on August 01, 2007, 02:51:00 AM
Post by: avatar1976 on August 01, 2007, 05:59:00 AM
Post by: TattooedBear on August 01, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
Disc scratching. Of course, some people do that for a living. *chuckle*
Post by: Koyuki on August 01, 2007, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: TrevCoy on August 01, 2007, 10:13:00 AM
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Post by: jdsun1 on August 01, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(avatar1976 @ Aug 1 2007, 07:59 AM) 
Yeah but they said excluding 3ROD issues, which to me would include overheating and not lasting a year (resulting in 3ROD).
It has been proven that the 360 does not scratch discs if it is handled properly!!! Get over the fact that you don't know how to take care of your console and games.
Post by: flashfreak on August 01, 2007, 03:19:00 PM
I dont see paying for xbox live as a problem, im a happy customer. Its a great service, heaps of free exclusive downloads, so much fun with friends. Other services may be free, but how good are they? You get what you pay for...
Limited filetype support doesnt matter too much to me, cos my 360 is on the same 40" lcd that my comp is, so thats no problem.
Though lately i've been wondering about the lack of hi def. Would have been good, but then the system would have cost more and taken longer to come out. Also, it would have been forcing the format on consumers, and they didnt want that, thats one of the upsides (to them) for having it external.
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Post by: ruciz on August 01, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
Of course all items listed in the list are downfalls of the console, with some huge ones being pay to play online, and shipping drastically variant systems (seems to be resurrected with the elite, big hard drive, HDMI, improved cooling/heatsinks). Can't wait for the Xbox 360 two, thats what? 2 years away now? original xbox lasted for 4 years, 360s been out for nearly 2.
Post by: paleNyar on August 01, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: cowsn on August 01, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: jimbobjim on August 01, 2007, 07:00:00 PM
Seriously, I feel like i'm the only person to experience this in a huge way.
Post by: derailed on August 01, 2007, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Grim187 on August 02, 2007, 01:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Quest @ Aug 1 2007, 11:48 PM)
the limited file system support is the biggest mistake in my opinion.
ya well its not like there trying to compete with xbmc or anything, it would be nice to see some divx support tho.
QUOTE(Quest @ Aug 1 2007, 11:48 PM)
p.s. why are people complaining about the RROD?
with the 3 year warrenty, that's only an issue to people with a broken warrentyseal :-P
everyone hates dealing with M$ customer support and rrod is a problem that occurs in at least %35 of all 360.
Post by: FahadSaid on August 02, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: techdon on August 02, 2007, 09:44:00 AM
It is very frustrating to see MSFT giving you the option to 1. connect to your media library on the pc, 2. connect up removable FAT formatted mem stick, and 3. Connect removable USB drives (including USB powered mini drives) and then bring you to a brick wall limiting the media you can access from there, knowing (and no one can convince me that they don't know) the most popular and one of the most efficient in respect to compression / quality media formats out there is the Divx / Xvid format family. WMV is arguably better and miles ahead in HD, but when it comes to video libraries even recorded tv from PVR software, most people, including myself choose Divx or Xvid.
The other issue I have with the system is ridiculously overpriced accessories. Apart from that, I love the Xbox 360 and all else it has to offer. Paying for Xbox live isnt really an issue because of all what you get for free anyway. If subscription based gold membership is a prob soley because of online gaming for someone, then they should check out the alternative free options available (eg. Xlink Kai).
I really don't see the lack of an internal High Def optical format reader as an issue, because the option is still available to users, who require the comnbination of a gaming and movie machine costing them much less than other options altogether.
The Release of a core system in my opinion also shouldn't be criticized even if some games are later made to run better on systems with storage. The blunder wud be on the person who decided to pay less knowing there is better out there and wished to compromise convenience for price. The option to upgrade still remains, not like it's absolutely not possible once you decide on a system from the get go as is with the HDMI option on the Elite. It would be like saying car makers should discontinue basic models because some people want navigation systems and temperature control in their cars, when some people just don't care and prefer to manually adjust the temperature and waste more gas while reading a map and going round in circles. Bottom line, the choice is that of the user and it can be added later on.
The issues with the discs were already cleared up earlier by someone and I would agree with them that it was an issue with users not handling the systems properly (in most cases at least).
Cheap and crappy D-pad is not too much of an issue especially when it is placed one of, if not THE best controller developed, for a system where most games only use it for secondary controlling or as added buttons for selecting options (weapons, play formations etc.)
Funny how no one commented on the lack of a web browser, I don't know if it is even an issue for me, I was just very pleased to see them integrate MSN messenger, a request I am sure was imagined by many users of XBL messaging.
In concluding, I would say it they address the issues with the file type support and reduce the cost of accessories, they would hear much less complaints from the user community. IMHO. <----my 2cents
Post by: Merkaba on August 02, 2007, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: turk3y on August 03, 2007, 02:22:00 AM
disc scratching, all cd consoles have had this issue to an extent, so thats just the way it is with high speed spinning objects, working at a games store i say plenty of ps1 and ps2 disks that had been scratched like this.
limited media formats, this will not affect the vast majority of consumers, it plays mp3 and dvd. Wmv is nice and DivX would have been great and it still could be, so this to me is not terminal as it can always be fixed with no affect on consumers.
Over priced addons, yes the wifi adaptor is alot, but thats down to marketing believing they can squeeze that much cash out of you, and again it can be lowered without a problem.
noise,.... well this was close for me, it is alot but then I dont think its really more than other consoles, the only difference is the dvd is always at full speed so it seems louder, if that makes scence, I think as a level its on par with others but as a percentage of time at its maximum its there a hell of alot more than others.
headset... seemed fine to me for an included accessory, mine is a liitle faulty but all my friends work perfect so no real complaints.
gold fee, you get what you pay for, plus ebay is great for cheap scratch cards.
dpad... it was never going to be a saturn pad, so always inferior
second to worst decision, no HD, now this i think was bad, personally I think as hd-dvd is so close to dvd and its selling points are the small cost to move to it, I think its crazy they did not go ahead with this, they aimed the rest of the 360 at HD, I think the 360 was just that fraction too early, there where not HD players I dont think at that time so it would have ment delaying the 360 and they knew they could do an external solution, so the real crux here is no HD in the elite and no hdmi on the original.... it was just to early and hdmi is not 100% needed so its a forgivable sin if the above where better.
But the no.1 main weakness was the lack of HDD. They claimed they dont need the storage because compression techniques will overcome the space limitations, now that is true, but because of memory limits would it not have been better to then have a HDD on all systems so that this highly compressed data could be preloaded / decompressed somewhere to reduce to load on the system..... This I feel is the worst design flaw as because they have sold systems without a hdd developers cannot presume there is one, so no change now will change the fact that a hdd might not be present, and I cant see m$ allowing games that require a hdd to pass certification.
Post by: sicknasty413 on August 03, 2007, 07:19:00 AM
Use your computer
No internal High-Def/Capacity Disc
It's a choice. Choices are nice. I have the external add-on. I plan on getting 300 in HD-DVD soon!
Overpriced accessoires (WiFi Adapter, HDD, ...)
Solution-
Use a wire
Use an alternate wireless adapter
Buy a Premium or Elite
Get a 3rd party accessory
Lack of a webbrowser
Use your computer
Crappy D-pad
Never really noticed this TBH..
Low quality of standard headset
I guess mines a little quiet?
Make HDD optional (Core system)
I voted for this. All SKUs should have an HDD.
Noise produced by the 360
Ehh, it can get a little noisy, but that's what the "Up" volume button is for
Read/Scratch-disc issues with DVD-ROM
Had this happen once (to my GH2 disc).. still works perfectly though.
Live Gold fee for online gaming
Xbox Live has always been worth paying for.
Post by: justin56007 on August 03, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: halohack on August 03, 2007, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Aug 2 2007, 02:00 AM)
Forget about the scratching issues, they are rare, what about the fact that half of the DVD rom drives fail to open when the console is vertical? I've flashed quite a few systems and nearly every one with a Samsung drive has opening issues. How was this not mentioned in the last thread or this one?
Seriously, I feel like i'm the only person to experience this in a huge way.
I know what you mean. My second console had this issue and the new Samsung drive had the problem to. Seems to be an issue with Samsung's magnets. I had the issue on most of the Samsung drives I saw for the Xbox 1 too. You'd have to beat the console until your hand was sore to get it to open if it didn't have a disc.
Now why isn't this getting as much attention as the RROD? I'm so sick of hearing about that, having seen six consoles and no RROD...
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on August 04, 2007, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: jimbobjim on August 04, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(halohack @ Aug 3 2007, 10:08 PM)
I know what you mean. My second console had this issue and the new Samsung drive had the problem to. Seems to be an issue with Samsung's magnets. I had the issue on most of the Samsung drives I saw for the Xbox 1 too. You'd have to beat the console until your hand was sore to get it to open if it didn't have a disc.
Now why isn't this getting as much attention as the RROD? I'm so sick of hearing about that, having seen six consoles and no RROD...
Finally someone agrees with me. Samsung drives are garbage! they may be able to read alot of media but they are mechanically unsound. I seriously feel this should be added to the list. If you don't believe me just orientate your console vertically and try to eject your tray. I have flashed many consoles so I know what i'm talking about.
Samsung really need to look at designing a new opening mechanism.
Post by: bncrusher on August 05, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
QUOTE(paleNyar @ Aug 1 2007, 05:23 PM)
I wanna play xvid, divx, mov, mp4 and whatever formats may come in my gd x360 without having to use my PC for that thing. Definitively the biggest mistake.
Exactly (well hdmov's anyway...I can play .mov's and some hd). And this is something which wouldn't cost M$ hardly anything to correct. I know they can be greedy.. but why not include this? Are they that afraid someone might play an illegal movie/TVshow? Are they that worried that it may be as good as the Xbox1's XBMC??!! 8) Come On MSoft! Give it a break...give us a new mpg4 profile (XviD/DivX). Lawsuits? You get them all the time anyway...
We payed for your box.. now make it work with the Internet.
Not including a browser is my second choice BTW. I guess you just can't trust IE7????
hahah
bC
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on August 05, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: ThaCrip on August 05, 2007, 12:11:00 PM
all-in-all though i just think it was a mistake to sell a system without a hard drive.... cause it's just handicapping the system.
Post by: metalgear1 on August 06, 2007, 05:04:00 PM
ADD to that "OTHER" file support (unsigned code) and I'm done
but in the cussrent state who the wants to convert thier .avi files to a crappy wmv format to watch on the 360?
My 360 gets turned on for GAMES ONLY I could really care less about the MEDIA CENTER wich BLOWS (reason above^^^.avi files)
and as such I use good o'l Xbox1 and XBMC for ANY/ALL medai server tasks
Post by: TreyTable on August 06, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Aug 1 2007, 09:00 PM)
Forget about the scratching issues, they are rare, what about the fact that half of the DVD rom drives fail to open when the console is vertical? I've flashed quite a few systems and nearly every one with a Samsung drive has opening issues. How was this not mentioned in the last thread or this one?
Seriously, I feel like i'm the only person to experience this in a huge way.
why would one put their console vertical?
QUOTE(Archonwolf @ Aug 5 2007, 12:21 PM)
I choose lack of media type support, but thats not exactly accurate to what I wanted.
MS hype up the 360 with its XBLA/Video/Music/Game services, But I live in Australia, and the XBL Video Marketplace is well, crap, really. Right now, if I go to "All TV Shows" I get, "Artist of the Month" (Which has 3 songs, all of which are terrible), "Digital Entertainment" (containing ONLY the HD-DVD Player Promos), "Robbie Williams-Concert (ick.)" and "Viva Pinata, The Animated Series"
Yet, I see on the US XBL, I see 199 TV shows, movie hire, episode purchases, tons of stuff we can't get on DVD here, demos for games we never even see. In all, I see what the Marketplace is SUPPOSED to be about.
Because Australia isn't deemed a "major" market, we miss out on 99% of that kinda stuff.
*goes to watch his Robbie Williams "All TV Shows" >..>;*
What did Australia ever do to deserve such treatment? Actually Australia did get all that content but your government has banned most of it.
QUOTE(Grim187 @ Aug 2 2007, 04:25 AM)
Al tho i think developers would love the chance to go wild with 18 or even 32gb of space per game (internal hd) and prices for accessories are way to high (come on $100 for a 20gb hdd i can find them for under $20)
i went with poor quality headsets because I'm on my 7th wired headset now and my rfboard has been named incorrectly and needs to be replaced so i cant use wireless.
ya well its not like there trying to compete with xbmc or anything, it would be nice to see some divx support tho.
everyone hates dealing with M$ customer support and rrod is a problem that occurs in at least %35 of all 360.
What do you do with your headsets that cause them to break?
I for one have no idea what you are talking about with Microsoft customer support. Sony customer support is awful, it's like calling Australia.
QUOTE(turk3y @ Aug 3 2007, 04:58 AM)
I cant see m$ allowing games that require a hdd to pass certification.
Final Fantasy XI
Post by: pablot on August 07, 2007, 06:37:00 AM
I hardly use that stupid thing because of the immense noise it makes. I hate noisy systems, and this POS takes the price.. still use my original xbox about 100times more, xbmc and 80mm fan mod just makes it so much more appealing.
Post by: NumpXP on August 07, 2007, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: GunRunner on August 07, 2007, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: avatar1976 on August 07, 2007, 06:15:00 PM
QUOTE(jdsun1 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:36 PM)
It has been proven that the 360 does not scratch discs if it is handled properly!!! Get over the fact that you don't know how to take care of your console and games.
WTF said anything about scratching discs, get your eyes checked, do you even know what 3ROD aka rrod means? Aside from anything I was correcting the person in question to say we can't include overheating issues because it's part of the Rrod issue.
I've never had a problem with any of my game discs you `tard pack owner.
I just worked out that you meant to quote tattoedbear, read what you're actually quoting next time st00pid.
Post by: avatar1976 on August 07, 2007, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(TreyTable @ Aug 7 2007, 04:35 AM)
What did Australia ever do to deserve such treatment? Actually Australia did get all that content but your government has banned most of it.
I for one have no idea what you are talking about with Microsoft customer support. Sony customer support is awful, it's like calling Australia.
No it's nothing to do with a government we don't have a fascist dictatorship government that gets up set about a covered nipple appearing on the superbowl. Oh and while we're at it I also believe your government creates wars about oil in the middle east, we do have a F@#k wit for a leader that follows your government though (inspite of the populous being not in favour of that).
The real reason we don't have any IPTV stuff in Australia is for one simple reason, we do not have adequate broadband to a large enough percentage of the population that have Xbox 360's.
If Rupert Murdoch (you uncultured americans might know him from his appearances on The Simpsons, owner of fox, aussie expatriot) says we don't have adequate broadband for IPTV then I would say we don't, because if he could deliver TV in new ways he'd be the first doing it.
So shove those comments up your stOOpid patriotic ass (I translated stupid to the way you say it there so you would understand).
Post by: Archalien on August 07, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
Thats the only thing the ps3 does better than 360 imo....
Post by: rahulduggal on February 03, 2020, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 03, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
Personally, it would be the lack of HD. After they made such a fuss about that being WHY the xbox was so cool, only to then remove it in the 360 (well make it "optional" but effectively no longer the benefit it had in the Xbox being mandatory.
Then theres the D-Pad, which was a poor excuse as the Xbox one was fine so why is the 360 one even worse than the DS or Gamecube ones which arent exactly stellar either but they do the job better.
Post by: rolly poly on August 08, 2007, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Aug 2 2007, 02:00 AM)
Forget about the scratching issues, they are rare, what about the fact that half of the DVD rom drives fail to open when the console is vertical? I've flashed quite a few systems and nearly every one with a Samsung drive has opening issues. How was this not mentioned in the last thread or this one?
Seriously, I feel like i'm the only person to experience this in a huge way.
my brothers stock 360 and my modded 360 have samsung drives that only like to open when horizontal AND a disc is already in the drive... other wise it's luck getting it to open.
my choice was higher capacity disc drive, i don't think microsoft's mistake was offering the core system. the mistake was not allowing devs to require a hard drive...
take GTA4, not a casual gamer's game of choice. most people who would play GTA4 already have a hard drive or would buy one.
at the very least they should allow updates distributed via live to make full use of the hdd by caching data...
Post by: Malumvolo on August 08, 2007, 09:08:00 PM
When you are on a budget, its hard to decide between buying a core and an overpriced hard drive, or the extra expensive premium or elite (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
Post by: nickman on August 09, 2007, 03:34:00 AM
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Post by: lion_2 on August 09, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: halohack on August 10, 2007, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: Juganawt on August 10, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
I can understand the lack of DIVX on the machine - it'd be a PR nightmare and would effectively show Microsoft endorsing the pirated movie industry, and would be counter intuitive for their business partners / Xbox Video Marketplace etc.
I can even understand lack of internal HiDef solutions. It'd force the price up (which is killing Sony), and delay the machine at least 6 months..
.. but forcing developers to think of machines that do not have a hard drive causes multitudes of problems. Some games ignore it completely (Final Fantasy, Football Manager), and I see many more games in the future going the same route, especially if Microsoft dump the Core SKU.
All games would run smoother, be able to stream more, and generally give a more enjoyable experience if Microsoft commited to hard drives in all systems. Therefore, lack of integrated HDD in all SKUS was a HUGE mistake.
Post by: Barnolde on August 13, 2007, 07:44:00 PM
Launching in 2005 made it impossible to include a hi-def optical media.
I think by 2008, the tard pack will have gone the way of the dodo.
Post by: Reaper527 on August 14, 2007, 09:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Juganawt @ Aug 10 2007, 07:16 PM) 
Some games ignore it completely (Final Fantasy, Football Manager),
ironically Final Fantasy is the only game that actually requires the harddrive. i do agree though that the harddrive should be a standard component. due to the fact that developers can't rely on it being there, it is nothing more then a big memory card unlike how it was on the xbox1.
divx/xvid/ogm would have been nice (and who knows what will happen in the future as MS has proven they can give more codecs at their leisure through live updates), but the hdd is definitely what i consider their biggest mistake to be.
QUOTE
I think by 2008, the tard pack will have gone the way of the dodo.
unfortunately, while i agree with that statement i think the damage is done and games will still be designed for the legacy users without harddrives
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Post by: M_A_C on August 14, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: ISOmaniac29 on August 14, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
but the only other thing that bothers me besides the red ring
is probbly the fees for online play im sick of that
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Post by: LeFugitive on August 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
Even my Dual Quad Core based PC with 8Gb DDR2's is quieter and thats with pretty standard cooling!
I love having it and impressed that M$ have built a worthy product that was WORTH paying for!
The build quality on the exterior is pritty good, but not the same case on the internals, especially with the low quality cooling system they have chosen.
I think if I KNEW how noisey it really was, I may not have bothered.
I use mine mainly within a THX Ultra 2 home cinema and on a 3 meter wide projected Sim2 projector.
I've spent alot time and money in my system, only to be let down by the noise the Xbox 360 makes.
Thankfully, it works well wirelessly, so I'm managed to work around it a little, but it's NOT the answer to hide it somewhere beyond sight, as it makes it difficult with such KooL games like Ravin Rabbids (top game) as the camera won't work on pritty ANY extenstion I've tried!
I would say a close second is the media support! Althought I'm loving the stacks of WMV HD's about, they stil glitch and also means alot converstion with software for other formats.
One thing I think is VERY sad which ALOT of people have ignored! The Xbox 360 can NOT reproduce or pass-through HD audio signals! Very sad and not in my good books for that!
If your not familiar, signals like Dolby HD or better DTS true will NOT play through the Xbox 360 as it should. M$ have chosen to downsample the audio, into Dobly Digital 5.1Ch and thats it!
Try running anything beyond that and it will just down sample it! It's a huge shame and impressed with surround within games (Crackdown, Call of Duty etc) but for movies (mainly audio) it sucks!
OK... so it makes up for it visually (impressive HD visual) but whats the point of great image and poor sound!
I saw a few adverts plastered around (whilst on my travels around our little rock we call earth), stating the Xbox 360 is an all-in-one entertainment system. True, but it's like those cheap nasty all-in-one DVD, VHS and TV's you get. Does the job, but definetly not great or even near Pro Home Cinema!
I'd be happy to pay an extra £100 GBP for a total silent Xbox 360... but thats just me I guess?!
PS . This is all based on the standard 20Gb Xbox 360 as I'm still wondering if the Elite is even worth the effort... very little difference I'm sure and why HDMi I have NO idea... VGA and DVi are SO much better!
Post by: Software2 on August 19, 2007, 04:01:00 AM
It seems to me that the largest issues would be those that impact your ability to play great games.
If you have problems that scratch your discs or otherwise render your system unplayable those would obviously be your top concerns. However, for the general public one single flaw impacts every single person: The lack of a mandatory hard drive.
Post by: taka912 on August 20, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Peter2028 on August 21, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: latino4l on August 22, 2007, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(etb @ Aug 2 2007, 12:18 PM)
no it's not.
i've played gh2 for 3 days on a 2 week old console.
the console wasnt moved or anything and stood vertical on a cooling device witch also enshures it's stability.
on the third day the 360 won't read the disc (the disc wasn't moved out of the box an was new).
the disc was f***** up with circular scratches.
so don't belive anything that's "prooven" anyone paid by m$ ....
well if you were to even read the manual it says to not leave the games inside the console when you're turning it off so your gh2 is gone because of your stupid mistake and because your're too lazy to take out the disc when you're done playing
Post by: iLLNESS on August 22, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
i only use my 360 for gaming because of it. it has no fucking support for anything i wanna use. its an iphone basically. it does nice things, but it doesnt do what i want it to
i wanna be able to stream videos off my pc without media center. i wanna play divx/xvid
i wanna be able to use it like xbmc essentially. i wanna put dvds on my pc and watch them over the network so i dont rape my dvdrom. is it really all that hard to ask for a good media player? i mean m$ is trying to sell this thing as an all in one accept for the inet. this is the only reason i still have my xbox sitting in my room turned on 24/7
Post by: sjc200 on August 23, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
What is RRod?
Post by: Yamthief on August 24, 2007, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(sjc200 @ Aug 23 2007, 10:40 PM)
Dumb question, I apologise. Ive looked all over and cant find it though.
What is RRod?
Red Ring of Death. 3 red lights caused by absolutely terrible console design.
Post by: Yamthief on August 24, 2007, 12:23:00 PM
basically Microsoft could have had a console that could blow everything else clean out of the water but they fucked up big time.
the millions of XBMC owners all over the world show just how popular the idea of playing back whatever media type you want on your xbox is.
no hddvd on a supposed hi def console is just crazy. how much extra would i have cost them? this means the "next gen" console is left with the last gen's pitiful 9GB to put games on.
overpriced accessories - MS have always been shit at setting costs for everything. i got a 300GB sata2 hdd for only £25 a few months back. £70 for a 20gb is just ridiculous.
the fact theres no web browser just makes it less of a complete home media device.
the quality of the D-Pad and the headset just match the consoles terrible design and lack of cooling ability.
the lack of a hdd is just gay. the memory cards cant even hold the smallest video download so whats the point?
the noise produced isn't such a problem, if it was a little noisier and less intensely hot that might have actually been a bonus.
The drives scratching discs should have been sorted by Samsung immediately and M$ shouldn't have denied it happened for so long considering the evidence was all over the world.
Gold membership is insanely pricey considering multiplayer games on the PC are free to play online. I would have thought that people buying the games at the prices they are at would have funded the servers.
*huff* right.. rant over.
What i will say is even after all that stuff is wrong with the 360, it still kicks the shit out of the PS3, and Nintendo Wii is only fun for about 3 or 4 weeks before the novelty wears off.
Post by: Legendary Badass on August 27, 2007, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: jrbl1 on August 29, 2007, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on August 29, 2007, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(monkey00 @ Aug 23 2007, 04:41 AM)
i feel the HDD lack on the core isnt a problem, i mean just spend a few extra bucks and get a premium. its not that expensive
the problem is that the developers can't depend on the harddrive being their, and as such it limits what the system can do. if it was a standard feature like on the first xbox, all games would utilize it alot more. i don't understand how the only thing that actually impacts the quality of the games is only 4th on the list!
Post by: nlx420 on August 31, 2007, 02:18:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on August 31, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
QUOTE(nlx420 @ Aug 31 2007, 04:54 AM)
remember when xbox1 first came out i remember it wouldnt read burnt discs which they changed later, maybee the same will happen with this issue further down the road.
those were called modchips, and microsoft didn't make them
unless your talking about the fact that it didn't read cd-r, and that never really changed. the system just reads cd-rw/dvd-r/dvd-rw a lot better.
Post by: RiouTheBrightShieldHero on August 31, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
I voted for accessories. There is no reason for a 20 GB hard drive to be $100 and a 120 GB $180. You know they are screwing you there.
But for the noise, it never really bothered me. Ironically, my loudest system is my Wii.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on September 03, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
PS. down with windows, Ubuntu Linux is free and more secure, way faster (fast enough to not even remember what windows is), ultra stable, more customize, more everything,
if you dont belive me you can try it without installing it, can windows do that no (not without hacking *cough* mini XP *cough*)
Post by: 360-2go on September 04, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on September 05, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(360-2go @ Sep 4 2007, 10:17 AM)
Well, for one thing, if people bought a core system opened it up, and bought halo 2 and a memory card, then they would get mad just to know that you NEED a HDD for original xbox games.
if thats all they bought, why not get an xbox? if they did a bit of research, it very well documented that the harddrive is required for backwards compatibility. if they cheaped out and didn't do their research, its their own fault.
Post by: peter0328 on September 13, 2007, 07:40:00 PM