Post by: Xbox-Scene on January 02, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
A roadmap for ending the high-def format quagmire Posted by XanTium | January 2 23:52 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: h3xagram on January 02, 2008, 10:50:00 PM
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So what's really going on with this war? Is there an end in sight? Even better, is there a solution in sight that can finally put this to rest? If you ask me, I think this could be over in a month if the Blu-ray camp follows three steps.
Step 1: Warner
Step 2: Slash prices on all players
Step 3: Get in contact with HD DVD's supporters and inform them of the bad news
Step 1: Warner
Step 2: Slash prices on all players
Step 3: Get in contact with HD DVD's supporters and inform them of the bad news
... or vice-versa. Its easier for HD DVD to manage a slash in prices (ex. the One day $99 HD-A2 sale) and the fact that Warner joined Microsoft & Toshiba's HDi Consortium late last year.
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Post by: sicknasty413 on January 03, 2008, 12:04:00 AM
Wow.. I just lost a little respect for them.
Here, let me make a similar article-
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[ramble ramble ramble].. I believe HD-DVD can win if they follow these simple steps-
1- Acquire all big movie production companies
2- Continue decreasing prices of HD-DVD players
3- Blow up every Sony building in the world.
1- Acquire all big movie production companies
2- Continue decreasing prices of HD-DVD players
3- Blow up every Sony building in the world.
Post by: DMAddict on January 02, 2008, 11:28:00 PM
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Post by: h_2_o on January 03, 2008, 12:22:00 AM
x264 driven HD FTW!!!!!!
Post by: Draeconix on January 03, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
Aside: The only difference between the two formats besides which studios have backed each one is that Blu-ray can hold more info and HD-DVD's can be produced on the same equipment the is used to make Standard DVD's thus making them theoretically cheaper. Blu-ray requires all new equipment. That said, I like the HD-DVD for that reason, it is cheaper.
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Post by: jdsony on January 03, 2008, 12:40:00 AM
QUOTE(DMAddict @ Jan 3 2008, 08:04 AM) 
At this point I'll say forget both of them, digital HD downloads are right around the corner.
Have fun downloading 30GB movies. I've downloaded a bunch of HD/Blu-ray rips measuring 4.7gb for 720p and 8gb for 1080p (most at 1080p are larger at around 10-15) and they look great but are still compressed more and missing some features and audio options. Anything over 8GB is just too large for me to want to download unless I can get some significantly faster download speeds.
Post by: Bandit5317 on January 03, 2008, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE(DMAddict @ Jan 3 2008, 02:04 AM) 
At this point I'll say forget both of them, digital HD downloads are right around the corner.
Right around the corner? You can download HD movies cheap off of Xbox Live.
Post by: 21cwSpanky on January 03, 2008, 03:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Bandit5317 @ Jan 3 2008, 09:39 AM) 
Right around the corner? You can download HD movies cheap off of Xbox Live.
You have an extremely odd sense of what is cheap, for the price of 2 movie rentals I can get a subscription to netflix and get pretty much all the movies I could want in a month in blu ray and HD-DVD
Post by: ProfDrMorph on January 03, 2008, 04:26:00 AM
But aside from that: this "news article" is really just a blog entry. Maybe xbox-scene.com needs a system to tag "news" which are really just rumors or personal opinions so that readers can easily see how far they can trust what they're just about to read. I don't think staying away from all rumors and the like is the way to go but you should be able to easily tell when you're reading rumors and when not.
Concerning the blog entry: HD-DVD ftw!
I'm one of the many, many guys still waiting out on if there'll be a winner in this format war but I really hope HD-DVD wins. No region codes, less "security" (I really like being able to convert my DVDs into other formats so that I can use them on other devices like my PSP). 
Post by: Lizotte on January 03, 2008, 05:40:00 AM
1 Start a campaign
2 Get everyone to vote for you
3 get sworn in
The size plus of bluray is nice, but the cheaper production of hd-dvd is more valuable IMO. the 1080i vs p is a joke of an argument, I have display devices capable of both in my home, and sources at both and there is no visual difference between 1080i + p unless you are running the movie at 1/4 speed in an action sequence to look for where pieces of the explosion go. then 1080i is a little less detailed. at normal watching speed there is no visible difference. Regular movies in the theater are played at 24 frames per second. your eyes don't require 60 1920x1080 frames a second, 30 is just as good. If the rumor of Warner going hd-dvd only at CES 2008 is true, then its over for bluray unless sony wants to drag it out as another betamax.... which of course is part of why people aren't buying standalone players.
Post by: BIMPtacular on January 03, 2008, 07:19:00 AM
How To Enjoy Hi-Def Movies
buy both players.........
and just out of curiosity, didnt we just hear about triple layer hd-dvds that are the same size as blue ray discs........so what size advantage do they have now?
Post by: steveju on January 03, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(BIMPtacular @ Jan 3 2008, 02:19 PM)
and just out of curiosity, didnt we just hear about triple layer hd-dvds that are the same size as blue ray discs
Yup, and the 3 layer hd-dvds would be 1 gb bigger than the 2 layer blu-ray discsQUOTE(BIMPtacular @ Jan 3 2008, 02:19 PM)
so what size advantage do they have now?
None, but Sony fanboys will say what they want. They always have and they always will.Why should the HD format war end when it never begun. It never begun because BluRay can't fail. Why?
- Cell
- BluRay
- Sony
- Cell
Post by: 794 on January 03, 2008, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(DMAddict @ Jan 3 2008, 01:04 AM)
At this point I'll say forget both of them, digital HD downloads are right around the corner.
i agree completely as i am not a fan of optical media at all - gotta love home media servers and the vast instant entertainment on-demand without the delay and limit of selection choice with an optical drive!
Post by: Dopotoa on January 03, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
What I really want is one format, thus this will hopefully bring us cheaper movies, as HD-DVD / Blu-Ray Movies are not cheap (when compared to DVD).
I know I will be flamed for the above statement, but as it goes thats all I want, a cheap HD, format.
Digital Downloads on xbox360. They need more recent movies and a bigger selection. I hate the fact its "rental" I want to buy it!
Betamax / VHS.
Do people know why VHS won this war?
Basically due to the fact there was more porn on VHS then betamax!
Post by: Ranger72 on January 03, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
You people are so blinded by your faith in a failing format that when it is all said and done you people will be the only ones thinking the whole world has gone mad.
In the end it will come down to one simple fact. NO DISNEY, PIXAR MOVIE WILL EVER BE ON HD-DVD. Thats it folks it will never happen. And nobody is going to back a format that will never be able to play their kids movies.
Porn is a dead point people. There is porn on Blu-Ray but who cares anyway. Most people get their porn by digital download.
But hey, if you delusional people wish to stake your claims on porn then who am I to argue. lol
Post by: bucko on January 03, 2008, 11:09:00 AM
HD-DVD IS CHEAPER it's a no brainer ill be supporting HD-DVD for a long time yet even though I have a PS3.
I don't like how most blu-ray movies are at least £20, you can get good HD-DVD's for £14!
I think this battle will be a long time (at least 5 years) so buy both like me and be a happy camper, I think none will give in it will be like the +/- scenario on the DVD burners.
Post by: miggidy on January 03, 2008, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: the_nerdy on January 03, 2008, 11:33:00 AM
If a HD movie was under 9 GIGS it would fit on a regular DVD. And you would have the same quality as a HD DVD or Blueray Disc.
Size gives more to deal with.
I'm all about the size, HD DVD can be triple layer now, the only problem with that is the players are not and are unable to read anything beyond dual layer.
Also, the more layers a disc has, the more prone it is to scratches, dust, and etc. So, that is a risk you take.
I would personally like to see 20 GIG SD CARDS with movies on them. If someone came out with a SD CARD player I belive this war would be over.
Any takers, lol.
Post by: h3xagram on January 03, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(the_nerdy @ Jan 3 2008, 09:33 AM)
HD DVD can be triple layer now, the only problem with that is the players are not and are unable to read anything beyond dual layer.
You're either making things up out of thin air or you have inaccurate information. No one said that current players can't play HD-51 discs. I would like to see an article that states this as fact.
It was only recently approved by the DVD Forum and nothing more. HD-51 is in R&D and is still being thoroughly tested.
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Also, the more layers a disc has, the more prone it is to scratches, dust, and etc. So, that is a risk you take.
How would it be more prone to scratches and dust when the spacing between the encasing of the disc and the first layer is the SAME measurement?
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EDIT:
Going back on topic, I would have to say its a silly article to place on the front-page of Xbox-Scene (even if it was the other way around). It just seems that the news articles aren't the same anymore. It doesn't seem "professional".
Post by: tabsaid on January 03, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: pRtkL xLr8r on January 03, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
I was looking for some intelligent discussion on why. Instead, it's "How to figure this out is to pick a side," essentially. Pick a side -- in a format war you just wrote is at a stalemate and everyone is confused about what side to pick. So basically writing that the side to pick is the side you picked, and we should all in good faith just blindly follow you. Without any real proof as to the aforementioned 'why.'
This guy would be better off back at his old job writing captions for missing kids on milk cartons.
Post by: jaynigs on January 03, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
QUOTE(steveju @ Jan 3 2008, 03:31 PM)
Yup, and the 3 layer hd-dvds would be 1 gb bigger than the 2 layer blu-ray discsNone, but Sony fanboys will say what they want. They always have and they always will.
What a rediculous thing to say!
So what about the 3 layer Blu Ray discs? which are then again in turn "bigger" than the 3 layer HD-DVD's?
PER LAYER BLU-RAY has more capacity than HD DVD, End of that silly statement me thinks!!!
This article is more tongue in cheek than an official statement, a little humour nothing more.
HD DVD is already dead, dead man walking if you like, they can try and pay off whomever they like to prolong the agony, but its just a matter of time before they surrender
Furthermore, This debate has nothing to do with SONY VS MICROSOFT!
HD DVD is TACKED on to the 360, so there really is no need for xbox "fan boys" to get uppitty about it!
If the 360 was launched with a HD DVD player as standard, this whole situtation would be different, including the silly argument that the ps3 is a ripoff compared to the 360!
Consider the cost of the 360 and HD DVD addon AND the wifi addon!!!
Post by: readmore on January 03, 2008, 12:30:00 PM
I have a friend that has a 500GB external drive filled with HD movies (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) he plays through the Xbox360. Plug it into the USB and you're ready to go. And he can take ALL his movies with him if he travels or visits a friend! How great is that?
I can get an 8Gig movie downloaded in about 2 hours. With bandwidth speeds ever increasing it won't be long before everything you watch on TV will be streamed to your TV or media device via "internet".
I say good riddance to both formats.
Post by: jaynigs on January 03, 2008, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 3 2008, 07:30 PM) 
I too am a fan of digital downloads. The great thing about them (and any parent out there can attest to it) is they don't get scratched. Not only that, a purchase using a system like Xbox Live guarantees you will have access to the movie even in the event of a Hard Drive crash.
I have a friend that has a 500GB external drive filled with HD movies (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) he plays through the Xbox360. Plug it into the USB and you're ready to go. And he can take ALL his movies with him if he travels or visits a friend! How great is that?
I can get an 8Gig movie downloaded in about 2 hours. With bandwidth speeds ever increasing it won't be long before everything you watch on TV will be streamed to your TV or media device via "internet".
I say good riddance to both formats.
Digital downloads will only win when everyone can download at warp speed, ( ie quicker than they can go buy it from a store ) as technology advances, so does the disc capacaties etc, downloading will always be too slow! much quicker to nip to the store and grab the disc and the packaging that a lot of people love to own!
Your there with your wife/gf whatever and you want to watch a movie! do you wait an hour or 2 for it to download? or do you just jump in the car and go to blockbuster?
Not only that, but i currently do not see any money savings by using digital downloads! microsoft are trying to kill the idea off by sheer greed!
I LAUGHED when i saw the price for a 24 hour movie license on xbox live! they must think people are mugs!
They can try and disguise the real cost with the silly microsoft points system, but doesn't take a genius to do the maths!
Dump the points crap! and let people pay with real currency!
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Post by: the_nerdy on January 03, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
You're either making things up out of thin air or you have inaccurate information. No one said that current players can't play HD-51 discs. I would like to see an article that states this as fact.
Umm yes they have, they have had to tweak the laser a little bit to get the third layer to read, so standard HD DVD players right now are not going to do it.
Post by: the_nerdy on January 03, 2008, 01:04:00 PM
You're either making things up out of thin air or you have inaccurate information. No one said that current players can't play HD-51 discs. I would like to see an article that states this as fact.
Here ya go buddy, I can't find a site that states this information anymore, but it is in the comments of other people talking about it.
Posted by ivid on Monday 10 September 2007 21:04
Size is CRITICAL and this is great news. 30 GB is not enough.
I am a broadcast professional with a very discriminating eye for detail and image quality. HD DVD is beautiful but it is not free of compression artifacts (same for blu-ray) and anyone who can notice them will. It is MPEG4 after all... Having 50 GB to store larger/ less compressed video will definately help this, particularily for longer running films.
Maybe improving the MPEG4 / VC-1 encoding software & imroving the optimization for compression artifcats would help too like it did in the DVD industry, but increased size is still a better solution IMO.
I would expect a firmware update to allow these new discs to be read by current-gen players. 45 GB 3-layer discs were talked about before the 1st HD DVD player was released last year so the idea of being able to focus the laser for a 3rd layer was thought about and speculated to be possible by F/W updates. Speculated... lets cross our fingers and hope it becomes a reality.
I can't see them making 51 GB movie discs if they won't play in early adopters and Xbox 360 HD DVD players.
Here is the link
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/DVD-Forum-app...D-DVD-disc.html
Please do research and stay up to date with the progress they made. They are still testing it and are stumped for a reason.
Post by: Reaper527 on January 03, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 3 2008, 11:00 AM)
In the end it will come down to one simple fact. NO DISNEY, PIXAR MOVIE WILL EVER BE ON HD-DVD. Thats it folks it will never happen. And nobody is going to back a format that will never be able to play their kids movies.
i don't know that i agree with that. if bluray wins, all the the HD-DVD exclusive supporters will support it. if HD-DVD wins, all the bluray exclusive companies will support it, including pixar/sony/everyone else. the exclusivity is only while there are two options.
Post by: warmaster_670 on January 03, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(tabsaid @ Jan 3 2008, 02:05 PM)
Surprised no ones mentioned BD+. Blu-ray made alot of enemies with that one. They are a bunch of DRM wh0res over at camp blu-ray and I'm shocked anyone in the internet community, especially users at XS supports them.
welcome to the world of buisness, everything is full of drm
Post by: iceman72 on January 03, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
#1 HD players are much much cheaper than BR players.
#2 BR movies are much much cheaper than HHD movies.
#3 Digital Downloads will never win the war. Collectors like to be able to look at a movie over and over and have something tangible to show for it. 24 hours to view it just sucks. I hate that some times i may pause a movie and cant come back to it the until the next day and wham the movie stops if I don't complete it with in the alloted time frame.
#4 BR has more selection out there of movies.
#5 To the average consumer both BR and HD look the same.
So after it's all said and done I picked HD. It seems like the happy medium. But it bothers me that the movies are high as hell. Damn two movies cost me $60+ bucks. If they want me to buy movies like I buy DVD movies. They need to at least get them down in the twenties like BR. I really think if HD dropped the prices of the movies and picked up Disney they would win. I just refuse even at $299 - $399 to buy a PS3 just for the BR player. That clearly tells me that Sony would rather force its system on me than give me a player at a good price. I am sure if they could sell a new PS3 for $300 - $400 bucks they could easily sell a BR player for $150 - $250. So until that happens the average consumer won't even look at BR. The average consumer will buy DVD before they even consider digital downloads. Those suck all around in my opinion.
Post by: readmore on January 03, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ Jan 3 2008, 08:39 PM)
Digital downloads will only win when everyone can download at warp speed, ( ie quicker than they can go buy it from a store ) as technology advances, so does the disc capacaties etc, downloading will always be too slow! much quicker to nip to the store and grab the disc and the packaging that a lot of people love to own!
Your there with your wife/gf whatever and you want to watch a movie! do you wait an hour or 2 for it to download? or do you just jump in the car and go to blockbuster?
Not only that, but i currently do not see any money savings by using digital downloads! microsoft are trying to kill the idea off by sheer greed!
I LAUGHED when i saw the price for a 24 hour movie license on xbox live! they must think people are mugs!
They can try and disguise the real cost with the silly microsoft points system, but doesn't take a genius to do the maths!
Dump the points crap! and let people pay with real currency!
I think you will still be able to go to a video store and grab a movie/video. However it won't be in a DVD or other optical disc format. You'll either plug in your high capacity USB hub into a kiosk and zap it to your drive or purchase it on its own flash memory drive. The future is not in optical discs. Just like we went from magnetic tape to optical disc, there will be a medium change in the VERY near future.
Post by: tabsaid on January 03, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(warmaster_670 @ Jan 3 2008, 04:30 PM)
welcome to the world of buisness, everything is full of drm
This is changing, the average consumer finally caught on. Even itunes is going drm free. BD+ is a clear step backwards.
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Post by: feflicker on January 03, 2008, 03:38:00 PM
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Post by: Chancer on January 03, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Dopotoa @ Jan 3 2008, 03:50 PM)
Betamax / VHS.
Do people know why VHS won this war?
Basically due to the fact there was more porn on VHS then betamax!
Obviously you don't know why, because you just repeated internet here say. VHS won because the major rental companies backed it ans stocked more films on VHS than Beta.
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HD-DVD is clearly the winner.
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Post by: 0794 on January 03, 2008, 04:39:00 PM
QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 3 2008, 04:17 PM)
I think you will still be able to go to a video store and grab a movie/video. However it won't be in a DVD or other optical disc format. You'll either plug in your high capacity USB hub into a kiosk and zap it to your drive or purchase it on its own flash memory drive. The future is not in optical discs. Just like we went from magnetic tape to optical disc, there will be a medium change in the VERY near future.
agreed, although optical will be around for a while, i can easily see it's demise in favor of other distribution methods coming...just like the music CD...remember those? now there are tons of methods to purchase music that don't involve the CD...movies are similar just larger data files...and technology is catching up in both storage and distribution...
QUOTE(feflicker @ Jan 3 2008, 04:38 PM)
HD-DVD is clearly the winner. It's a shame that Blu-Ray has so much backing... I don't think the war will last long, because soon there will be dual format players that are affordable. In the meantime only a/v enthusiasts are buying this crap anyway...
exactly, except that i am not sure that there really is anything close to a "clear winner" right now. HD on optical discs is nice, but very expensive for both players and media and thus the adoption rate for the masses is still very low for a technology that has been around for a while...
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Post by: djtonic on January 03, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE(DMAddict @ Jan 3 2008, 08:04 AM)
At this point I'll say forget both of them, digital HD downloads are right around the corner. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
ughhh....why are people still hung up on "HD Downloads" "digital distrubution" the wave of the future...a bandwith bonanza...the pipeline piledriver. Download 1 movie to your xbox 20gig HD or maybe 15 movies to your PC 300GB HD..beam em straight to your head to massage massive ammounts of serotonin out of your pineal gland...who needs anti-depressants!
Larger format discs are useful, tangible and will be here for a long time.
Which format will win....that probably wont happen for a while. There is too much investment on both sides for anyone to give up
~Dj~
Post by: h3xagram on January 03, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
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Here ya go buddy, I can't find a site that states this information anymore, but it is in the comments of other people talking about it.
Posted by ivid on Monday 10 September 2007 21:04
Size is CRITICAL and this is great news. 30 GB is not enough.
I am a broadcast professional with a very discriminating eye for detail and image quality. HD DVD is beautiful but it is not free of compression artifacts (same for blu-ray) and anyone who can notice them will. It is MPEG4 after all... Having 50 GB to store larger/ less compressed video will definately help this, particularily for longer running films.
Maybe improving the MPEG4 / VC-1 encoding software & imroving the optimization for compression artifcats would help too like it did in the DVD industry, but increased size is still a better solution IMO.
I would expect a firmware update to allow these new discs to be read by current-gen players. 45 GB 3-layer discs were talked about before the 1st HD DVD player was released last year so the idea of being able to focus the laser for a 3rd layer was thought about and speculated to be possible by F/W updates. Speculated... lets cross our fingers and hope it becomes a reality.
I can't see them making 51 GB movie discs if they won't play in early adopters and Xbox 360 HD DVD players.
Here is the link
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/DVD-Forum-app...D-DVD-disc.html
Please do research and stay up to date with the progress they made. They are still testing it and are stumped for a reason.
Posted by ivid on Monday 10 September 2007 21:04
Size is CRITICAL and this is great news. 30 GB is not enough.
I am a broadcast professional with a very discriminating eye for detail and image quality. HD DVD is beautiful but it is not free of compression artifacts (same for blu-ray) and anyone who can notice them will. It is MPEG4 after all... Having 50 GB to store larger/ less compressed video will definately help this, particularily for longer running films.
Maybe improving the MPEG4 / VC-1 encoding software & imroving the optimization for compression artifcats would help too like it did in the DVD industry, but increased size is still a better solution IMO.
I would expect a firmware update to allow these new discs to be read by current-gen players. 45 GB 3-layer discs were talked about before the 1st HD DVD player was released last year so the idea of being able to focus the laser for a 3rd layer was thought about and speculated to be possible by F/W updates. Speculated... lets cross our fingers and hope it becomes a reality.
I can't see them making 51 GB movie discs if they won't play in early adopters and Xbox 360 HD DVD players.
Here is the link
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/DVD-Forum-app...D-DVD-disc.html
Please do research and stay up to date with the progress they made. They are still testing it and are stumped for a reason.
You're joking, right? That is NO different, then if I were to go on that forum and claim I'm an expert in laser physics and state my opinion.
Give me an ACTUAL article that states that HD-51 will NOT play in current players (and from a trustworthy source). But in the mean time, all you have given me was your own forum-posted opinion and some other guy's forum-posted opinion.
Post by: djtonic on January 03, 2008, 09:52:00 PM
QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 3 2008, 11:17 PM)
I think you will still be able to go to a video store and grab a movie/video. However it won't be in a DVD or other optical disc format. You'll either plug in your high capacity USB hub into a kiosk and zap it to your drive or purchase it on its own flash memory drive. The future is not in optical discs. Just like we went from magnetic tape to optical disc, there will be a medium change in the VERY near future.
Do you go to sam goody with your Ipod to download music to it? NO. No one will ever go to the store to transfer a 50gig file to a flash drive. Yes, 50gigs...I like all the useles commentary, deleted scenes, previews etc.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
File sizes/transfer rates/ bandwith speeds/ peoples need to hold and touch what they own will keep digital distrubution of movies from becoming mainstream.
The argument that movies will go the way of music CDs soon also doesnt hold water. Muisc is enjoyed on the go and we do need a method to transport it comfortably. Besides, adding some compression and loosing some quality is not as big a deal as it is with video you will be watching on a huge high def tv at home with your family.
Just so this isnt just a rant against digital distrubution I hope HD wins! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
~Dj~
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Post by: Foolscrow on January 03, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
First of all, taking into account the number of problems that Warner is having with BR production (disc recalls on both the Harry Potter and Blade Runner BR gift sets), I have a hard time believing that they will go Blu exclusive any time soon. Let's not forget that they have yet to release 2 of their bigger titles, namely Batman Begins or the Matrix Trilogy, on Blu-ray (something that's a bit odd for a company intending to go exclusive in the near future).
Back in Nov., Jim Noonan, SVP of Strategic Promotion and Communication for Warner Home Entertainment Group said, "I can tell you that Warner's position has not changed, and I know that Dan did not intend to suggest that wasn't the case. We support both formats and we have made no decision to alter that policy, nor are there any such announcements coming, or being planned."
As for speculation that the studio is waiting for Q4 sales results before making an announcement of format exclusivity -- perhaps even as soon as this January's CES in Las Vegas -- Noonan shot down any such short-term scenarios.
"Like any major company, we are always reviewing our strategies in every aspect of our business, it is what smart companies do. I can't say what may happen five, ten years down the line. But right now, Warner Bros. has made no decision to change course. We are still onboard with both formats, and will continue [with a strong line-up of new releases and catalog titles], just as we have in the past in supporting HD DVD and Blu-ray." (from hidefdigest.com).
The only price-drops on BR players, are occuring in the realm of a stripped down PS3, as well as those that are not Profile 1.1 compliant (meaning that they are obsolete). When profile 1.1 players finally hit the market (only 18 months later than hoped), BR will have finally caught up to some of HD DVD's feature set. The downside? Lurking in the wings is Blu-ray profile 2.0, which (at long last) makes an ethernet port a requirement (and thus creating a second wave of obsolete hardware). How much money does the BDA really expect the consumer to pay, before FINALLY getting a completed product? Worse still, how many of the fanboys are willing to give them this money?
Hell...even Howard Stringer called the war a stalemate...
It would seem to me that this war is going to continue, for a long time...
Post by: BIMPtacular on January 03, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ Jan 3 2008, 01:17 PM)
What a rediculous thing to say!
So what about the 3 layer Blu Ray discs? which are then again in turn "bigger" than the 3 layer HD-DVD's?
PER LAYER BLU-RAY has more capacity than HD DVD, End of that silly statement me thinks!!!
This article is more tongue in cheek than an official statement, a little humour nothing more.
HD DVD is already dead, dead man walking if you like, they can try and pay off whomever they like to prolong the agony, but its just a matter of time before they surrender
Furthermore, This debate has nothing to do with SONY VS MICROSOFT!
HD DVD is TACKED on to the 360, so there really is no need for xbox "fan boys" to get uppitty about it!
If the 360 was launched with a HD DVD player as standard, this whole situtation would be different, including the silly argument that the ps3 is a ripoff compared to the 360!
Consider the cost of the 360 and HD DVD addon AND the wifi addon!!!
the 360 is by FAR superior to the PS3........and i do have both, and i have logged thousands of hours on my 360, and maybe 30 on my ps3......and how did you get to xbox vs ps from hd-dvd vs blu-ray......without a blu-ray player the ps3 is pointless, but on the other hand an xbox without hd-dvd is still an awsome gaming machine.......ps3 is overrated and i hate the fact that i bought mine when it was still $600......and i have 2 360s, i must have really liked the first one......not to mention i dont have to update the 360 everytime i turn it on, that is so damn irritating.......blu-ray or hd-dvd doesnt matter to me cuz i have both players......but xbox or ps3, there just is no decision to make
and for the record, if everyone is grab assy about the damn blu-rays having more capacity, then why cant sony make blu-ray look any better than hd-dvd? im catching every little bit of resolution on my 50" 1920x1080 native res. DLP 10,000:1CR.......so with so much more space they are still no different from the "inferior" hd-dvd......give me a break, they look the same and hd-dvd is cheaper......some movies look better than others of course, same thing on blu-ray....my 360 addon also upconverts my old dvds 100x better than my ps3, they look nasty and grainy on the ps3
This post has been edited by BIMPtacular: Jan 4 2008, 07:10 AM
Post by: Chancer on January 04, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Jan 4 2008, 01:05 AM)
I thought betamax died because the tapes were only an hour long. What good is that to the movie industry? Heck it was dead before it was born, lol..
I think you are thinking of the first u-matic Philips system. Beta was not restricted to 1 hour.
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the 360 is by FAR superior to the PS3........and i do have both, and i have logged thousands of hours on my 360, and maybe 30 on my ps3......and how did you get to xbox vs ps from hd-dvd vs blu-ray......without a blu-ray player the ps3 is pointless, but on the other hand an xbox without hd-dvd is still an awsome gaming machine.......ps3 is overrated and i hate the fact that i bought mine when it was still $600......and i have 2 360s, i must have really liked the first one......not to mention i dont have to update the 360 everytime i turn it on, that is so damn irritating.......blu-ray or hd-dvd doesnt matter to me cuz i have both players......but xbox or ps3, there just is no decision to make
Why do people always have to make this 360 v PS3? It really is getting to be a tired old argument. This thread is not to do with that.
This post has been edited by Chancer: Jan 4 2008, 05:48 PM
Post by: warmaster_670 on January 04, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
QUOTE(spamenigma @ Jan 3 2008, 09:35 PM)
'Serenity' clearly the best film ever is HD-DVD only! the war is already won! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
pssh, serenity sucked hard compared to firefly, really hard.
QUOTE(BIMPtacular @ Jan 4 2008, 12:57 AM)
the 360 is by FAR superior to the PS3........and i do have both, and i have logged thousands of hours on my 360, and maybe 30 on my ps3......and how did you get to xbox vs ps from hd-dvd vs blu-ray......without a blu-ray player the ps3 is pointless, but on the other hand an xbox without hd-dvd is still an awsome gaming machine.......ps3 is overrated and i hate the fact that i bought mine when it was still $600......and i have 2 360s, i must have really liked the first one......not to mention i dont have to update the 360 everytime i turn it on, that is so damn irritating.......blu-ray or hd-dvd doesnt matter to me cuz i have both players......but xbox or ps3, there just is no decision to make
and for the record, if everyone is grab assy about the damn blu-rays having more capacity, then why cant sony make blu-ray look any better than hd-dvd? im catching every little bit of resolution on my 50" 1920x1080 native res. DLP 10,000:1CR.......so with so much more space they are still no different from the "inferior" hd-dvd......give me a break, they look the same and hd-dvd is cheaper......some movies look better than others of course, same thing on blu-ray....my 360 addon also upconverts my old dvds 100x better than my ps3, they look nasty and grainy on the ps3
theres no reason at all to own a 360 if you have a pc capable of playing games.
i think your full of fanboy shit aswell
This post has been edited by warmaster_670: Jan 4 2008, 10:41 PM
Post by: spamenigma on January 04, 2008, 05:04:00 PM
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pssh, serenity sucked hard compared to firefly, really hard.
doesnt stop it being the best movie ever
but good idea..lets have firefly on HD-DVD too!!
Post by: spamenigma on January 04, 2008, 07:59:00 PM
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theres no reason at all to own a 360 if you have a pc capable of playing games.
As a pc gamer I'd almost agree, I hardly play my xb360, and my xbox's main purpose is for XBMC, I've started using the 360 for 1080p output to my projector and its suddenly got some potential for streaming media. MS need to look at xmbc for its interface, or at least get better codec support for the media center addon... I have the HD-DVD addon for my xb360 with 17 hd-dvd films so far (including serenity
)... connected to my 1080p projector. You seemed to relate this to gaming machines when the post is all about media formats!
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i think your full of fanboy shit aswell
(you're?) the rest is your opinion of that post.. but you seem to have created irony with your previous comment!