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Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Cold|Fusion on May 30, 2005, 06:50:00 PM

MS say they do not know if there next gen console will be backwards compatible or not. I believe that they know it will not be, for good reason. I believe that, of course they could make it backwards compatible, if they wanted to. So why not?

I remember back when Channel Technology released there Messiah mod for PS2, it was the first PS2 modchip of it's kind, that acted soley on it's own, without the use of a third parties product, such as an AR disc. Sony came down hard on them, and shut them down. But I remember reading the article about this, and most of the work that CT implemented in the chips design was ported over from PSX, as the PS2 was backwards compatible, it took them 6 months to produce the chip, but in theory, it was a years work. So, that is why I am a little dubious about MS saying they don't know if there 360 will be backwards compatible. In my opinion I think they set out to make it, so that it wasn't, for this reason. Sure, we will be pissed we can't play Xbox games on it, but we will get over that. Whereas PS3 however is still going to be backwards compatible with it's past two predecessors. To sum up, do you think this could be the real reason why MS have decided to not go down the compatibility road that Sony has taken, what are your views on this theory?

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: redwolf on May 30, 2005, 07:02:00 PM

i don't care if the game are Backward Compatible (BC) or not. Unless playing Xbox games on X360 gives high resolution or Anti-aliasing features.

But technically if it was full BC then the console would sell more, as people don't yet have Xbox and buy X360, then they can play the old games, as they will be cheaper etc. THis is why Sony made sure their console did this.

I remember a 3rd party company (forgot the company name) was going to release some software for Dreamcast (DC) to enable it to play PS1 game in DC with bilinear-filtering and higher resolution. But didn't get full license to be released and some games didn't work properly or something like that.

So if M$ cannot do it, i'm sure a 3rd party can, or maybe the code to support more games can be downloaded via LIVE.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Trisman on May 30, 2005, 07:14:00 PM

I don't think that the emulation layer will be implemented in hardware like the PS2, it'll be in software. We would have to come up with a whole new chip design anyway. I think that MS isn't saying the they're sure, simply to cover themselves in case not all the games work exactly like they did. The original XBox is a very complex beast, and getting it to work perfectly on a completely new architecture would be a major challenge, even with the full specs and original designers around to ask questions to.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: boxrocker on May 31, 2005, 05:53:00 AM

Bungie (owned my MS) confirmed that it will be backwards compaitble on the hardware layer, that is unless every single 360 comes with a hard drive.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: richie579 on May 31, 2005, 06:42:00 AM

QUOTE(redwolf @ May 31 2005, 03:13 AM)

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: boxrocker on May 31, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

Bungie said today that it is a "true emulator" so it should work....

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: gamerguy999 on May 31, 2005, 02:23:00 PM

QUOTE(boxrocker @ May 31 2005, 12:47 PM)

Bungie said today that it is a "true emulator" so it should work....

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: bitblaster on May 31, 2005, 02:26:00 PM

This will turn out to be some sort of a Virtual PC thing, the XBOX games are written for a x86 system... it is based on Intel system.

It will be like running a virtual PC, even if the XBOX has 512 MB RAM, and it takes what... say 128 or 256 MB RAM to give to the virtual XBOX, it will not function just like the origional. This will probably be some sort of emulation technique used.

I am a programmer, but do not know much about the xbox 360, other than I personally have doubt that it will be backwards compatible.

Think of it... there are exploits to softmod your xbox, someone might get it to work on the new xbox 360.

The XBOX 360 seems like a multimedia center. I bought a copy of Windows Media Center Edition 2005 for all of my computers, even my laptop, I know I will be watching movies, and listening to music on my xbox more than gaming.

Anyhow, I just have a feeling it will function like it does when emulating Windows on a mac.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Shawn_ on May 31, 2005, 03:10:00 PM

quick question, in the recent videos we are shown what appears to be people playing Xbox 1 games on 360. Is this true ? Are these only alpha kits that they are playing on? that would suggest that with more processing power they should have no problems ?

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: q3autraven on May 31, 2005, 10:23:00 PM

M$ has said that the 360 can run most games well. The 360 will have some games that will not want to run just like the ps2's BC. Also I think that if there is a game that will not want to run like Halo 1 then M$ will really try to get it to run because of it's popularity.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 01, 2005, 07:23:00 AM

What's with all these people debating if it will be BC or not?

MS has said THERE WILL BE BC. Plain and simple. One programmer working on the 360's BC has already stated that YES IT IS UP AND RUNNING. Didn't any of you follow MS's pre E3 press conference? That was the biggest announcement of the whole thing!

Μicrosoft has gone on record and stated that They're ensuring all the "top titles" will be fully BC with no problems and that they're going to work towards getting the entire Xbox catalog fully BC.

The programmer also stated that they are infact using emulation for BC.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: WeeFatMan on June 01, 2005, 08:13:00 AM

IT BETTER BE BACKWARDS COMPATABLE OR IMMA KILL SOMEONE AT M$!!!

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Shawn_ on June 01, 2005, 08:14:00 AM

QUOTE(q3autraven @ Jun 1 2005, 12:34 AM)

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: WeeFatMan on June 01, 2005, 08:14:00 AM

:-D!

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: q3autraven on June 01, 2005, 11:18:00 PM

Hell I don't care. I have two tv's, two xbox 1's and I will buy two 360's. Double your gameing double your fun, that's what I live by.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Lamer123 on June 11, 2005, 05:54:00 PM

If it is backwards compatible then wouldn't you be able to use the same gamesave exploits in order to boot unsighned code . Now the program being booted would have to be updated ( evox is made for the origional xbox hardware ) . But in theory wouldn't this work ?? Any experts out there??

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Infamous_One on June 11, 2005, 08:23:00 PM

QUOTE(Lamer123 @ Jun 12 2005, 02:05 AM)

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Lamer123 on June 11, 2005, 10:10:00 PM

Yes but the saves would also have to be backwards compatable . People would want to transfer their profiles etc. And as far as patching it I could definetly see it considering they are planning on doing software emulation based off the cpu .

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Infamous_One on June 11, 2005, 10:44:00 PM

QUOTE(Lamer123 @ Jun 12 2005, 06:21 AM)

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Paronga on June 11, 2005, 11:34:00 PM

yeah, im pretty sure it just wont work, and its not worth trying to get it to work, seeing as it will only be emulated, you could only operate in the Emulated world. So you can have a modded fake xbox in side your xbox 360. woot.

Though it will be interesting to see how the handle hte whole save and profile thing. How will they let you get your old saves/profiles?

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: prankfurter on June 12, 2005, 01:06:00 AM

i have heard talk of usb adapter to let you use xbox 1 controllers on 360 i imagine using that and a memory card will be how you will get your xbox saves and such...

at least for the games that support memory card

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: sobman on July 03, 2005, 02:02:00 PM

QUOTE(Pugilist @ Jul 3 2005, 11:56 AM)

Well since someone just made it pretty much clear to me in this thread that there WILL BE backwards compatiability I more than likely will be buying a 360.

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: SupremeWarlord on July 03, 2005, 05:34:00 PM

Title: Xbox 360 - Backwards Compatibility
Post by: Andy51 on July 03, 2005, 05:42:00 PM

Backwards Compatibility? Bring it on...

For example; Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Hello? Black and White buttons? Shoulder Buttons? Weapon changing? Drive-bys? GTA:SA will be better on Xbox 360, just because of controls.

Yeah, sure why not... I would like Backwards Compatibility, although I only have like 3 or 4 games to bring over to Xbox 360, and the other 20-like ones... SELL!!!

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