Post by: Xbox-Scene on October 31, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
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Post by: DoTsTeR on October 31, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
(I got better things to do than run Media Center in VMWARE with Transcode360 just so I can stream divx)
I guess the xbox 360 streaming video without media center on some level is better than nothing
But really, nobody serious uses wmv for their encoding
Comon MS.. get your shit together and support the serious codecs... MPEG4, DIVX, XVID.. etc etc
Chris Williams
www.Abay.com
This post has been edited by DoTsTeR: Nov 1 2006, 05:43 AM
Post by: telemaster on October 31, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: ubiman on October 31, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: ZX3Junglist on October 31, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
Though I wish it would play divx/xvid, the fact that the X360 can now play wmv from a disc or USB is incredible. All the more reason to buy an xbox 360.
Next step: MICROSOFT, ENABLE DIVX/XVID/h.264/AC3 DECODING!!!
Post by: THDVL on October 31, 2006, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: Mystic8277 on October 31, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: brywalker on October 31, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
QUOTE(THDVL @ Nov 1 2006, 06:24 AM) 
So we can now play the WMVHD dvd's?
Nope. Either DRM or structure of the DVD make that no workie.
Post by: Gohan5052 on October 31, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: ca102455 on October 31, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
All help appreciated, thanks
Post by: Caldor on November 01, 2006, 12:18:00 AM
H.264/AVC will have to be supported now, atleast in HD-DVD form as it's one of the codecs used for HD-DVD compliance. And H.264/AVC is so close to WVC1 anyway that it's just as good more or less to use WVC1.
The post makes no mention of the audio codecs allowed within wmv containers which isnt very helpful.
Post by: Caldor on November 01, 2006, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: fahrenheit on November 01, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 01, 2006, 01:12:00 AM
http://www.avsforum....threadid=227837
I actually use a program from http://nic.dnsalias.com/ to do my encoding..
it involves quite a few lil programs.. but the end results are incredible...
*MAJOR TIP*
Ok... you notice that the encoding takes FORE EVERRRRRRRR!!!! Well.. lets speed it up...
If you use a 3rd party encoder like TMPGenc Xpress 3-4 (4 supports wmvhd natively... and encodes much faster)...
after you select wmv as your output.. you'll notice 3 tabs
VIDEO AUDIO OTHER
click on OTHER...
you'll see a performance tab
drag the slider all the way to the left.. and then move it one space to the right...
I found that it gave me incredible boost in speed without losing too much quality
If you are using the official windows media encoder... just select TOOLS
select Options
select Performance
DEselect Use Defaults..
and do the same thing here
Performance when encoding...
drag the slider all the way to the left.. and then move it one space to the right...
There are also tools such as DVD to WMV... I started puting my collection on a external usb drive
NOTE:
You need to format your usb2 hard drive to Fat32.. *sigh*
or it wont be recognized.... and this will put limitations on your file sizes... you wont be able to go over 4 gigabytes for a wmvhd file....
I have found that the high definition wmv encoded properly can look super and weigh in between 2-4 gigabytes per 2 hour movie.. (depending on the movie)
I'll write a complete tutorial if everyone wants one...
Darryl
Post by: notguiltystyle on November 01, 2006, 01:13:00 AM
Post by: Caldor on November 01, 2006, 01:31:00 AM
Also, you talk about non square pixels and while playback via usbkey provides the wrong display aspect ratio, playback via vista media centre extender respects the anamorphic footage and displays it correctly.
Also WMVA plays back no issues both usbkey and streaming off mcextnd vista.
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on November 01, 2006, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(ca102455 @ Nov 1 2006, 03:04 AM)
Can anyone advise on how to stream wmv using Windows Media Player 11 ? I've been through just about every option i cant see anywhere how to pair the two devices together?
All help appreciated, thanks
well firstly make sure ya goten the final release from microsoft (came out about the same time as the fall update:last night) with media player 11 open right click on the top of WMP and click tools then options the options dialouge box will come up and then go to Library and then Configure Sharing then the rest is obvious have fun
ohh and then try to search for your computer on you 360 and make sure to allow your 360 when it pops up on your computer
Post by: tutu on November 01, 2006, 03:07:00 AM
Post by: SomeoneX on November 01, 2006, 03:29:00 AM
It's simple, just licence the damn codecs. Charge a small fee on the marketplace to download them or something if needs be. Still, don't you just love how MS can be so short sighted?
Post by: Plagued on November 01, 2006, 03:55:00 AM
I agree that the issue of licencing could be sorted out by downloading the codec for say 200 points.
You have to bear in mind here that MS has the whole Media center business to try and protect. With TVR boxes becoming more common and the xbox able to play multiple formats the Media center market would drop before Vista makes it to market.
A high majority of other formats are used predominately for piracy, there's no reason why you shouldn't encode things, or "backup your DVD's" in WMV format.
What we've been given is a bonus, you couldn't do it before and you've lived with it. MS have said they will continually look at the media functionality, so they are not saying other codecs won't be supported, they are just saying this is a start, and in my opinion a good start.
Post by: Mr. Me on November 01, 2006, 04:09:00 AM
Post by: dr3yec on November 01, 2006, 04:24:00 AM
Do I need to say more? It will take the homebrew community to make 360 a media hub giant. Until then it is just a game console.
Post by: notguiltystyle on November 01, 2006, 05:44:00 AM
http://www.petitiono...e.com/Divx4360/
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 07:00:00 AM
QUOTE(notguiltystyle @ Nov 1 2006, 03:20 AM)
Format choice? This is one area in wich the xbox 360 fails badly. Even the cheapest DVD players on the market has got the ability to play DIVX, XVID,AVI ext.ext.... why not the Xbox 360??? In my opinion the xbox 360 will never be the full media center entertainment hub without these formats! This is very disapointing to know that these format will never be used because of DRM issues. But Microsoft still insist that they do listen to there consumers?
If, as M$ has professed multiple times, it's a licensing issue, then M$ should strike a deal w/ XviD (I prefer XviD over DivX because XviD is open-source and the codec is constantly being updated while DivX is closed and the codec isn't updated!) to allow consumers to purchase the XviD codec themselves over Xbox Live Marketplace. This way, it takes the cost away from M$ and puts it on the consumer. The consumers who want this feature, such as myself, will either pay for it or shut up & quit griping that it's not offered. Easy solution....
Post by: notguiltystyle on November 01, 2006, 07:09:00 AM
QUOTE(aross6 @ Nov 1 2006, 02:07 PM)
If, as M$ has professed multiple times, it's a licensing issue, then M$ should strike a deal w/ XviD (I prefer XviD over DivX because XviD is open-source and the codec is constantly being updated while DivX is closed and the codec isn't updated!) to allow consumers to purchase the XviD codec themselves over Xbox Live Marketplace. This way, it takes the cost away from M$ and puts it on the consumer. The consumers who want this feature, such as myself, will either pay for it or shut up & quit griping that it's not offered. Easy solution....
I hear what you are saying but if this is a "licensing issue" why does XBMC offer these codecs for free?
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
QUOTE(notguiltystyle @ Nov 1 2006, 09:16 AM)
I hear what you are saying but if this is a "licensing issue" why does XBMC offer these codecs for free?
XBMC, the dash for Xbox1, is not a program published by Microsoft; Media Center that runs on a PC uses the codec that consumers acquire the licensing for... the 360 console simply blocks the use of said codec from utilizing its hardware functions...
On a side note, I'm happy that Microsoft finally allowed consumers to run videos (even if they are WMVs) from a Disc. or USB device... this is a huge step toward a complete Media Hub and quite frankly a gracious one for users like myself who only have 70GB HDDs in their PC.
Post by: ob110k on November 01, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
Someone with the knowledge and skills could probably help thousands of people by writing up a better guide for proper, high quality, divx to wmv conversion. Or DVD to wmv, for that matter... but as close to lossless as possible. All the tools I've tried suck and make the video look like crap. The AVSforum thread on hdtv to wmv conversion is a bit daunting.
Something tells me MS will stick to it's guns and only support wmv long-term, so I want to begin the massive re-encoding process asap. ugh
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(ob110k @ Nov 1 2006, 10:07 AM)
Myself and I'm sure many others have a large Divx movie collection. I chose divx initially because of it's widespread acceptance, but MS doesn't agree with the rest of the word so anyway....
Someone with the knowledge and skills could probably help thousands of people by writing up a better guide for proper, high quality, divx to wmv conversion. Or DVD to wmv, for that matter... but as close to lossless as possible. All the tools I've tried suck and make the video look like crap. The AVSforum thread on hdtv to wmv conversion is a bit daunting.
Something tells me MS will stick to it's guns and only support wmv long-term, so I want to begin the massive re-encoding process asap. ugh
Try River Past Video Cleaner Pro... it works great for me and converts everything to everything... I've been using it to convert my XviDs to WMV and the quality is very nice! www.riverpast.com
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(notguiltystyle @ Nov 1 2006, 10:27 AM)
Iv been using it too, but the only complaint that I have is that it takes forever! Do u know of somthing that does it a bit quicker?
This is exactly what MS wants! For everyone to convert there files to there format! This will then force editors to produce all future content in WMV and eventually there format will become the norm. They are basicly forcing there format down your throught (if you want it or not). Im in the same boat and Im going to have to convert all my files to WMV if I want to stream them. This really annoys me so much!
To address the first part, unfortunately I don't know of anything quicker... Riverpast does a good job but it takes 3 hrs to convert a 114mb xvid file to a 339mb wmv file. Kinda sucky...
*By the way, what settings do you use on Riverpast and how's it look on your console?
To address the second part, you are SPOT ON! Shitty of M$, but a good move to get into the Market....
Post by: troyBORG on November 01, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(THDVL @ Oct 31 2006, 11:24 PM)
So we can now play the WMVHD dvd's?
I can try my T2 DVD I got that has it. But when I did it on my pc I had to get a license to play it. So I donno if the 360 will :/
Post by: Vidness on November 01, 2006, 09:09:00 AM
Which, I guess, isn't a terrible thing that it's the first real stuff that's playable. But yeah, I don't see them coming around on other formats. It's all about business...Freaking greed!
Post by: infamous_Q on November 01, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: notguiltystyle on November 01, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(aross6 @ Nov 1 2006, 03:34 PM)
To address the first part, unfortunately I don't know of anything quicker... Riverpast does a good job but it takes 3 hrs to convert a 114mb xvid file to a 339mb wmv file. Kinda sucky...
*By the way, what settings do you use on Riverpast and how's it look on your console?
To address the second part, you are SPOT ON! Shitty of M$, but a good move to get into the Market....
I converted one occ thos "HD Planet Earth" jobbies avi to wmv. Ok it is about 2gig to start of with, but it took me an staggering 20 Hours. Thats insane!
I just use the best setting for everything because I dont want to loos any quality on the HD stuff. Another shitty thing is that I loose the dolby 5.1 when I do the conversion (only Stereo). So I have this really nice THX amp but because MS wants me to convert my blady files, its pretty much useless. I cant even begin to describe how much it anoys me. I dont like sony products but trust me Iv had anough of MS. I am defnitly buying a PS3 any dicthing this grubby media center because it is useless.
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 01, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
no one will argue that almost 100 percent of everyones tv and movie file format is in divx or xvid..
but lets face it...
1. Divx technology is not their technology (so it would cost em)
2. wmv actually does a better job for High Definition files (www.tomshardware.com)
3. to be able to encode to a high quality divx file.. you actually need to buy divx pro to do so... if you want to encode to a high quality hd wmv file.. its all free.. (so for you divx super fans.. it'll cost YOU to encode... not that anyone actually encodes their own stuff)
4. Go to Gametrailers.com and download any WMV HD file... and put it on a cd or dvd.. then put it in the 360.. and tell me it doesn't look amazing...
5. rumour has it that the 360 will be allowing x264 playback in future updates. (hinted by a xbox media programmer a while back)..
thats actually the format you should be begging for.. divx and wmv both have a major weakness... they're a bit soft in the end..
And x264 is actually a tecnology licensed for the xbox 360 through ati/amd
but then again.. encoding to x264 is a pain in the but still.....
on a 805 dual core .. with tmpgenc xpress 3..
I encoded a divx hd file into a wmv hd file in 15 minutes...
so no... it doesnt take forever.. and you dont need the best of the best parts to do it...
you just need to know how to encode to this format...
Post by: ubiman on November 01, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
QUOTE(notguiltystyle @ Nov 1 2006, 10:16 AM)
I hear what you are saying but if this is a "licensing issue" why does XBMC offer these codecs for free?
Post by: forzadude2 on November 01, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Can I do 1080p with VGA an fall update?
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 01, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
MS isn't stating that they agree or disagree. Lets face it, the xbox360 may never have been built with divx in mind... and may not be suitable. But it was definately made for wmv playback.
trust me on the performance tab. I've done the tests with each setting. There is no noticable difference in quality to the naked eye .. (especially in motion).. and you save up to ridiculous speed...
notguiltystyle,
its true.. you will lose the thx if you stick with the wmv format.. (though there is a way around that through a wmv avi wrapper (not sure if it works on the 360.. testing tonight))
BUT.. you are NOT stuck with stereo...
go to windows media encoding page..
they have a bunch of files... get the encoder 95sdk
and get the advanced codec.. (they added support for this codec with this update)
there you can select v9 advance for video (the new VC-1 format that is accepted for the new HDTV video format.. cough cough.. )
and select v9 professional for audio...
that will allow you to select 5.1 surround sound audio for encoding....
now that you have a 20 hour encoded file... keep it...
encode the same file to another name with these new settings.... and put the performance tab one marker away from the left.. and then find out what i've been talking about
cheerios!
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(sillyboydarryl @ Nov 1 2006, 12:08 PM)
go to windows media encoding page..
Windows Media Encoder is a PILE! It always errors when trying to convert from DivX/Xvid to WMV for everyone....
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 01, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
and that is ms other windows codec... *based on mpeg2*
but in order to encode to the needed file format such as 5.1 surround sound and vc-1...
you need to install that plus the advanced codecs and sdk
like i said.. my preference of wmv encoding for ease of use is actually tmpgenc xpress
and tmpgenc xpress will encode a divx file to a wmv file with no problems..
*truth is.. you can get a divx file to encode in the standard encoder.. but its too complicated to even be worth the hassle*
and lets face it..
the xbox 360 is for the HD generation of games and video...
look at the resolutions of your xvid or divx files.... are they 1280x720 or 1080p
nope...
the real fun is recording hdtv with a hdtv tuner card..
you get a ts file...
lets just say this..
i recorded lotr and that file weighed in at 27 gigs ....
i would rather leave it untouched... but the 360 couldnt handle that.. and um.. i'd run out of space.. it'd take one 80 gig hard drive just to keep the lotr series on the hard drive...
you'll appreciate the quality of wmv hd when you go from a TS file ...
Post by: MattyT on November 01, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
.Step up your game M$
Oh and Darryl, what your saying has considerable meaning, but that doesnt mean the
key has to be pressed every half a second 
.
Post by: FUCKMICROSOFT on November 01, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 01, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
well.. the settings i usually use is VBR quality
the problem with it.. is you cant control the stream during this encoding... and that means you have no idea how large it'll be at the end...
but I usually encode around 85-95 quality... and get about 3-4 gigs wmvhd files for 2-2.5 hour movies with 5.1 sound...
what I normally do is encode a demo file..
I'll take 2 minutes of footage that usually involves music and dialogue and a lot of motion...
I start encoding the file at 95 quality and go down one step until i can see a noticeable difference in visual quality ...
if i see a difference.. i stick to the last acceptable number and hit encode..
the truth is.. your long hd movies will take a while to encode..
so here is probably my best advice:
SLEEP lol
leave your machine on over night. or while you're at work lol...
When it comes to encoding TS files to wmv hd... I cant say i actually use tmpgenc xpress
i use the techniques from avs forums... and it appears to be too much to handle at first.. but once you get the hang of it (took me about 20 mins to figure it out)... the output is much better than that of tmpgenc or even the standard encoder from ms
remember if you want to watch your wmvhd files on dvd.. you'll need to use the UDF format..
and if you're going to be encoding for a usb hard drive..
stick with under 4 gig files.... *FAT32 LIMITATION*
Post by: MattyT on November 01, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(FUCKMICROSOFT @ Nov 1 2006, 05:45 PM)
yea, ps3 supports linux just like the dreamcasts supports windows CE. its a marketing tool for idiots to think that the ps3 has one up on the 360. PM me when you recieve your ps3 and its running yellowdog on your retail box. better off, PM me from the ps3 with linux.
Lol, ive got better things to do with my time and money
, i just bought a pack of 100,000 dominos from ebay, twice the fun AND ill get them in time for christmas 
.
Post by: Caldor on November 01, 2006, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(aross6 @ Nov 2 2006, 01:53 AM)
The 360 will play:
Windows Media Video 7 (WMV1)
Windows Media Video 8 (WMV2)
Windows Media Video 9 (WMV3)
Windows Media Video 9 Advanced Profile (WVC1)
The 360 will not play:
Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V3 (MP43)
Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V2 (MP42)
Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V1 (MP41)
Windows Media Screen V9 (MSS2)
Windows Media Screen V7 (MSS1)
Windows Media Video 9 Image (WMVP)
Windows Media Video 9 Image v2 (WVP2)
ISO MPEG-4 Video V1 (MP4S)
I believe WMV-HD is Windows Media Video 9 (WMV3), so it should, but I can be wrong....
This is not correct under all circumstances. Refer to my post earlier.
Post by: rollerbldes on November 01, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Caldor @ Nov 1 2006, 02:27 PM)
This is not correct under all circumstances. Refer to my post earlier.
I'm sorry to say this, but you are incorrect. Do not think running vista makes you so much better than all else. Running the 360 as a media center extender does just that. The video is not decoded on your 360. It is decoded on your PC, then the video streamed to the 360. Have a great day.
Post by: ubiman on November 01, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
QUOTE(rollerbldes @ Nov 1 2006, 09:30 PM)
I'm sorry to say this, but you are incorrect. Do not think running vista makes you so much better than all else. Running the 360 as a media center extender does just that. The video is not decoded on your 360. It is decoded on your PC, then the video streamed to the 360. Have a great day.
That is not true. Stream a 1080p video from your PC, open up task manager and you'll see that the CPU will stay at zero percent if you're not running any other program of course. That means that the 360 has the encoder build in and its doing all of the work. Do you really think that my 650mHz PC can encode a 1080p video without any freezing or chopping!?
Post by: quarky42 on November 01, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
It really pisses me off that I have this high def TV that looks great with movies but because Microshaft thinks that all HD TVs MUST be widescreen that is my only choice for aspect ratio. Games are too small in 16:9. I can display it on my screen, but I prefer normal aspect!
WTF!
Post by: aross6 on November 01, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE(EugeneEW3RD @ Nov 1 2006, 04:32 PM)
Does this app support both VC1 video and 5.1 audio?
Post by: Matt2k on November 01, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
http://www.transitionsoftware.com/
Transition HD
I've had great success with converting multiple divxHD/avi movie trailers to 720p wmvhd.
It doesn't support quicktime though.
Sometimes that link doesn't work......you can try this one as well:
http://www.kazazz.com/transition/
Post by: Caldor on November 01, 2006, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(rollerbldes @ Nov 2 2006, 11:30 AM)
I'm sorry to say this, but you are incorrect. Do not think running vista makes you so much better than all else. Running the 360 as a media center extender does just that. The video is not decoded on your 360. It is decoded on your PC, then the video streamed to the 360. Have a great day.
I'd bet you'd get along well with the friendly folks over at the flat earth society
http://www.alaska.ne...arthsociety.htm
As you appear to have no sense of logical thought, I will tell you once again:
1. WMVP and WMVP2 encoded video footage in WMV containers will playback on Vista through media centre extender. I have tested and proven this.
2. WMV HD WMV3 footage with non square pixels and anamorphic flags will have the correct display aspect ratio when played back through Vista media centre extender. I have also tested and proven this.
In fact, my PC does not have enough power to decode WVC1 720P at 60fps, or WVC1 1080P at 30fps, when the 360 can. I have tested and proven this.
Go have a nice day with your flat earth society freinds
On the other subject I think the best tool for wmv transcoding is microsoft windows media encoder 9 and winows media asf viewer for diagnositics
Post by: rollerbldes on November 01, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Caldor @ Nov 1 2006, 08:50 PM)
I'd bet you'd get along well with the friendly folks over at the flat earth society
http://www.alaska.ne...arthsociety.htm
As you appear to have no sense of logical thought, I will tell you once again:
1. WMVP and WMVP2 encoded video footage in WMV containers will playback on Vista through media centre extender. I have tested and proven this.
2. WMV HD WMV3 footage with non square pixels and anamorphic flags will have the correct display aspect ratio when played back through Vista media centre extender. I have also tested and proven this.
In fact, my PC does not have enough power to decode WVC1 720P at 60fps, or WVC1 1080P at 30fps, when the 360 can. I have tested and proven this.
Go have a nice day with your flat earth society freinds
On the other subject I think the best tool for wmv transcoding is microsoft windows media encoder 9 and winows media asf viewer for diagnositics
Oh hmm. I guess the circuit city folks gave me the wrong info. Thats what they told me last time I went and asked them.
Guess I won't be shopping there anymore.Maybe they blocked those codecs for DRM reasons.
Post by: aross6 on November 02, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(rollerbldes @ Nov 2 2006, 12:10 AM)
Oh hmm. I guess the circuit city folks gave me the wrong info. Thats what they told me last time I went and asked them.
Guess I won't be shopping there anymore.Maybe they blocked those codecs for DRM reasons.
Dude... why would you take advice from those lackies at Circuit City (no offense to anyone on here who works there of course)? Most of those people don't know their asses from their elbows.....
QUOTE(Matt2k @ Nov 1 2006, 11:39 PM)
I found that this is the best encoder/converter so far for making wmvhd files. It will even convert the 5.1 audio parts as well.
http://www.transitionsoftware.com/
Transition HD
I've had great success with converting multiple divxHD/avi movie trailers to 720p wmvhd.
It doesn't support quicktime though.
Sometimes that link doesn't work......you can try this one as well:
http://www.kazazz.com/transition/
The website says, and I quote:
"Product: Transition HD
Price: $249.95
Updates: Unlimited free updates"
I'll stick w/ somethin' a little cheapter....
Post by: sillyboydarryl on November 02, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
lol.. or wouldn't crash here and there when you write your own windows media profile for 360 movies lol...
is that toooo much to ask...
lets just say.. after trying the 14 day trial.... i wouldn't even bother puting on a pirates patch to get it lol.
For the best encoding and easy of use... the latest TMPGenc Xpress 4 is simply the best for speed and quality. The latest version supports the Advanced Codec from wm9.
If you only have 3 though.. this is the steps I'd take if I had a TS file...
1. Get a program called HDTVtoMPEG2.exe and convert it to MPG2.. (freeware)
2. you will have 9-20 1 gig mpg2 files of your movie eg. movie.0001.mpg, movie.0002.mpg
3. Load TMPG 3.. load in all the clips in order..
4. MAJOR ISSUE AC3 files seem to get delayed during transcoding. You must play the clips and find out if there is a sync problem... there is a delay function that will help you adjust the sound to fit your video if it is out of sync
5. Export as a windows media 9 video with audio 9 professional audio 5.1 sound 48mh, 90-98 quality vbr
Use a high 100 vbr for the video
6. after its exported.. load the finished video into windows media encoder.. select the advanced profile and re-encode
It is still a lot of work.. TMPG 4 skips the need to encode twice.... since you can select the advanced profile in the program itself...
The avisynth method is actually faster and produces a slightly better video.. and if someone wants.. I'll go through the whole process.. (its not hard.. its just a bit more work on your end)
I'm actually stunned with the quality of the advanced profile and the size of the videos it creates....
I recorded the incredibles off of my hdtv tuner card.. and its just outstanding on the 360.. there is a huge difference between the old wm9 codec and the new advanced codec....
For those of you complaining about the speed of encoding... try encoding a h.264 file... in most cases.. not much of a difference.. if not longer...
word is .. the 360 will upgrade to play those files.. and I will love that option. it seems to be sharper.. and thats my only problem with wm9.. but then again.. divx and xvid have the same problem...
Post by: dabigdilla on November 02, 2006, 03:11:00 PM
Edit: eff it. I'll just post a new thread so I can easily refer to it.
Post by: starwars22 on November 02, 2006, 04:03:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: THDVL on November 02, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: -shootn3zz- on November 03, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
QUOTE(notguiltystyle @ Nov 1 2006, 01:12 PM)
Thanx i apreciate your advice! What software do u use to convert your files to wmv? I am using River Past and believe me it is slow. I converted an avi file of 0.98Gig (about 45min of HD) to wmv. Obviously I dont want to loose quality so I put all the settings to "keep the same as source". It took 20 hours and the file size of the wmv file was 6.8gig (im not joking). And to be honest with you the quality was good but I still prefered the quality of the avi file.
I used Riverpost yesterday and when I played back the wmv on the 360 I had sound only. I must have done something wrong.
Post by: Zapin on November 03, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
The XBOX will NEVER natively support anything but WMV (unless another format arrives with strong enough DRM that video content providers will be comfortable with it). Will it eventually be hacked and codecs added . . .sure I think so.. I also think that transcoding workarounds will get better and more available also but any ability to play any format natively without marketable DRM is very unlikely. Think about it. MS can make deals with movie and television studios using the DRM built into their WMV format and the fact that the 360 already has a built in and successful content delivery system and a marketplace that can pay those studios for content makes their position all the stronger.
There is no financial incentive for MS to offer a wider range of video options. How many people are going to refuse to get the 360 based on this limitation alone when you can visit any number of places and purchase DVD players or network video servers that can play your DIVX and XVID for as little as 50 bucks (in as good quality as you could ever expect from the 360). You cannot deny that XVID and DIVX are by far the most common codecs used atm for pirated video so by not supporting those formats natively only gives MS that much more marketing power when selling the idea of the Xbox 360 as an Internet video rental / TV show server. Some network studios are streaming their content online for free already (with commercials and delayed) and almost every popular Television show can be downloaded for only a buck or two a pop for play on your iPod or Cell Phone so the financial boon that is video on demand is no theory but proven profitable.
If hacks/workarounds make it easier to play a wider variety of codecs in the future I think MS will be able shrug it off and let studios blame the resourcefulness of the the hacking community without expecting too much pressure from the Studios to find ways of stopping those hacks.
In short I think that if you want to play your non-WMV video on your TV then your time would be better spent buying a cheap alternative or re-encoding your collection rather than signing petitions or writing posts/blogs/emails that will never be taken seriously by anybody at MS that has the power to make change.
Post by: rollerbldes on November 04, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: b.stolk on November 29, 2006, 05:04:00 AM
This is what I tried:
$ ffmpeg -i south.park.1012.dsr.xvid.notv.avi -b 1128 -vcodec wmv2 /tmp/out_wmv2.wmv
I also tried wmv1 instead, with the same results.
The xbox360 simply does not accept these files.
Maybe the 360 checks a field in the file, that specifies the authoring program that created the wmv, and block non-microsoft authoring programs?
Bram
Post by: b.stolk on November 29, 2006, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(b.stolk @ Nov 29 2006, 01:11 PM)
I've tried to create WMV files using linux, but all the files I create are unplayable on my xbox360.
It turns out that WMV files with pcm, mp2 or mp3 audio tracks simply do not play on the 360.
If I remove the audiotrack with the '-an' flag to ffmpeg, the video plays.
Unfortunetely, I've been unable to create a WMV with audio that plays on the 360.
Does anyone know what the req'd audio specs are for use with the 360?
ffmpeg seems to do wmav1 and wmav2 decoding only, and no encoding.
Bram
Post by: fakker on December 18, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
QUOTE(b.stolk @ Nov 29 2006, 02:02 PM)
It turns out that WMV files with pcm, mp2 or mp3 audio tracks simply do not play on the 360.
If I remove the audiotrack with the '-an' flag to ffmpeg, the video plays.
Unfortunetely, I've been unable to create a WMV with audio that plays on the 360.
Does anyone know what the req'd audio specs are for use with the 360?
ffmpeg seems to do wmav1 and wmav2 decoding only, and no encoding.
Bram
wma
http://happybeggar.c...o...60&Itemid=2
check the bat file out there also