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Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: crobar on April 25, 2005, 09:38:00 AM

i dont post in this section at all but figured this might be somthing worth posting...

http://www.gizmodo.c...x-48-100853.php

wonder how the 360 will hold up...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 09:48:00 AM

I wouldn't know. It sounds great, I just hope it won't be too much better then the xbox 360's power otherwise one console would die quicker then the other.
Just have to wait untill E3.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 09:49:00 AM

Wow. It is obvious to anyone (except fanboys) that the PS3 will be more powerful than the XBOX 360. It will be for the same reason the XBOX is more powerful than the PS2............it came out over a year later, resulting in newer, faster, and better technology.

This post has been edited by deftonesmx17: Apr 25 2005, 04:50 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: crobar on April 25, 2005, 09:52:00 AM

kinda sad really...
were all so used to touting xbox a sthe super car of the consoles
and that might not be true in the next realease...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: violator* on April 25, 2005, 09:57:00 AM

I wouldn't get too excited about either console until you see the games and the other stuff you can do.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: raydn on April 25, 2005, 09:58:00 AM

Even if ps3 is more powerful will likely make little difference to the next gen multi format games. I belive they will be developed for the 2nd gen xbox (having a 6 - 10month sales head start) then ported to ps3. The way that the current gen xbox ended up with ports of ps2 games with inferrior graphics when the xbox was capable of more.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 10:02:00 AM

Its seems that M$ is jumping the gun this time. The Xbox has just over the last year started to really shine and give the PS2 a run for its money. Until I bought an HDTV I didnt notice that much of a difference between the PS2 and XBOX. I was happy with my PS2 and didnt feel the need for a new system. With the PS2 having little to no HD support the XBOX is a clear choice for HDTV owners. Now the developers have really figured out what they are doing with the XBOX while the PS2 was maxed out about a year ago. M$ is doing what SEGA did and SEGA caused their own demise. Ahead of its time and to little time between systems was SEGA's problem; SEGA CD, 32X, and Dreamcast anyone?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mastergwaha on April 25, 2005, 10:03:00 AM

truth be told, if XBOX wasnt more powerful than the PS2. then why would team ninja want to develope for it? that was MSs foot in the door last round. more power.
i really think that theyre still using this "everyone thinks: xbox gfx > ps2 gfx" so "xbox2 > ps3" to sell their shit. and if ps3 is more powerful so what? team ninja will go back to its sony companion and splinter cell will look better on ps3 than xbox 2.
so if y'all are bitchin then it seems that great gfx plus best game designers only work for the most powerful system at the time. meaning the system with less specs is shitty. like everyone thinks of ps2. (lol and it is, cause its running at 300mhz! GWHAHAH! silly ps2)
youre telling me that the only reason you guys bought xbox were cause of the "games" that werent on the release list when it first came out? nah. yall bought xbox for gfx and smooth 60fps rates. so if the xbox2 is to the ps3 as the ps2 is to the xbox now. then you guys will be in sonys camp.
im definitely buying both. (hey! much liek now!) cause until there is a CLEAR BEST SYSTEM (and i mean ps1 < xbox now comparison) all the good games are gonna be split. =( rock out, with your BOX out!

EDIT: i totaly agree with deftonesmx17 here on this one guys.

This post has been edited by mastergwaha: Apr 25 2005, 05:06 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 10:12:00 AM

Owning all the systems in a generation is always the best choice. Yup, I even have my Gaycube. Without it I wouldnt have been able to play the Resident Evil remake or the Metal Gear Solid remake, both classics.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: jk009 on April 25, 2005, 10:33:00 AM

Direct power really doesn't matter. You can have the fastest technology with the best parts, but what that does do for the consumer? I think not! With the power all you can do is rave, "It has the best technology!" but where is the Xbox 1 now, the greatest power but it is Number two!
Reasons for the Xbox Number 2:
A) No fanbase, first console
B ) No information to the devs, again first console
C) No games to give the support, due to reason B
Positives:
A) Best Online

Good start: Halo, Splinter Cell, So forth
C) Good technology for the devs, Reason B
___________________________________
Reasons for PS2 Being one:
A) Big fanbase
B ) Dev support from PS1
C) Backwards Compat, for the PS1 people
D) Game support: MGS and soforth
Reasons it could not be:
A) Online not so great
B ) No tech
C) No hdd
____________________________________
That pretty much sums up what is happening and what could happen with these reasons. The games are what make or break a system! The stats have little influence. The cell could be faster, but even with that speed it won't do any good until you see a game with so many players online or so many characters and in base configurations that need the speed to use it!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: zero129 on April 25, 2005, 11:11:00 AM

Just remember 1 thing, the Cell processer that sony etc is showing off atm will not be the same one that will be in the ps3.

Think of it like this, look at the p3 processer, its something like a p3 600Mhz that was in the xbox when it was released, but at the time the was much more powerfull p3 processers out too, i think upto 1Ghz. now ms didn't just pop the fastest p3 processer into the xbox cos of the price, it will be the same with sony, at the moment they are just showing off one of the fastest versions of the cell chip, but the one thats going into the ps3 will be a much more slower one then the one you are seeing being showed off, and then the one in that video.

This post has been edited by zero129: Apr 25 2005, 06:12 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 11:16:00 AM

QUOTE(mastergwaha @ Apr 25 2005, 03:02 PM)

I also bought an xbox for power, and the xbox 360 will probably be a lot weaker in raw power then then the ps3.
I wont buy a ps3 though as the controllers on the psx and ps2 hurt my hands, the analogue sticks are in the wrong place forcing your thumbs to be used at unnatural angles.

I will stick with the xbox 360 because, it is erganomic, the xbox had more games I want than the ps2 ever had, better customer service, loads of features out the box and ofcourse M$ has more money to battle sony then sony will ever have unless blu-ray takes off.

M$ has go so many developers on their side and practacly own the every common OS used so you know compatability will be no problem.

If, ps3 has some good games this time round and change their controller to something that doesn't break your hands I may buy it but apart from the power it has nothing I want in a games console.

Wow it has blu-ray! If I wanted a HD DVD media player I would buy one. What use is a console when the most exciting thing is the dashboard?

This post has been edited by Ozy: Apr 25 2005, 06:22 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 11:24:00 AM

QUOTE(zero129 @ Apr 25 2005, 12:10 PM)

The same can be said about the Xbox 360 and this argument is pointless. Cost.....if M$ is going to throw 2 or more PowerPC CPU's in there, then cost isnt the main issue. With the logic of your statement then there is no way in hell M$ is going to put in the XBOX 360 what they say they are. How many home PC's have multicore CPU's?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 11:26:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 04:23 PM)

How many PCs have cell and blu-ray?

Edit - IBM said they can manufacture the multicore processor cheap enough for it to be in a console.

This post has been edited by Ozy: Apr 25 2005, 06:28 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 11:30:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 12:15 PM)

I will stick with the xbox 360 because, it is erganomic, the xbox had more games I want than the ps2 ever had, better customer service, loads of features out the box and ofcourse M$ has more money to battle sony then sony will ever have unless blu-ray takes off.

1. What feature came out of the box, cd ripping was the only thing. sure it had a network adapter but unless you pay M$ for xbox live service it is useless(leave xlink out of this as the ps2 can use it also) Sure it had dvd playback if you once again forked more money out to M$ to buy the remote

2. I dont think you understand that $ONY has plenty of money. M$ isnt the end all of money making companies.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ces2k3 on April 25, 2005, 11:25:00 AM

ps3 will use a standard dvd drive now that hd dvd and blue ray disks are being combined to form one standard format .

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 11:30:00 AM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 12:30 PM)

I can't believe some people think Sony won't surpass MS even a year later. The thought of that is ridiculous.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 11:35:00 AM

QUOTE(Ces2k3 @ Apr 25 2005, 04:31 PM)

ps3 will use a standard dvd drive now that hd dvd and blue ray disks are being combined to form one standard format .

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Wedding-shirt on April 25, 2005, 11:41:00 AM

QUOTE(Ces2k3 @ Apr 25 2005, 11:31 AM)

ps3 will use a standard dvd drive now that hd dvd and blue ray disks are being combined to form one standard format .

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 11:41:00 AM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 04:46 PM)

Very true. Fanboys are amazing. I remember when some friends would argue with me about how the PSOne had better graphics than the N64. That was laugh out loud funny.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 11:46:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 12:41 PM)

Sony had to work to get where they are, M$ didn't.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 11:51:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 04:52 PM)

You might want to research on Bill Gates and the beginning of the Micro$oft company before making such dumb remarks. Bill Gates was very poor growing up, poor to the point of where he had to help take care of his mother and the bills. M$ had problems at first and had to work to get where they are today.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 11:58:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 12:57 PM)

I wasn't refering to M$ the company but the xbox product.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: ninjax on April 25, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

I dont know what all of you are talking about regarding Sonys console coming out a year later than MS. I am almost positive that the console is going to release in Japan shortly after MS launches Xbox360 here in the states. So they wont have that much more time. And another thing about Sony....Vector...nuff said. Xbox is the most powerful and will remain the most powerful.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 12:02:00 PM

QUOTE(ninjax @ Apr 25 2005, 05:06 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 12:02:00 PM

QUOTE(ninjax @ Apr 25 2005, 01:06 PM)

Xbox is the most powerful and will remain the most powerful.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: akarnid on April 25, 2005, 12:07:00 PM

Guys, guys, of course this was bound to generate into a fanboy fest, posting this here. Didn't you read the sticky?

I think this should be moved into the Other Consoles forum.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 12:08:00 PM

This isn't a fanboy fest, most of us are objective to both sides of the argument. We are trying to establish the facts and predict how the High Def consoles will fair.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: ninjax on April 25, 2005, 12:10:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 02:08 PM)

You know this how? Can you predict the future?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 12:13:00 PM

QUOTE(ninjax @ Apr 25 2005, 05:16 PM)

Simply because MS could buy God if it wanted too, and will do anything to destroy its competitors. If you dont think so, your not old enough to remember some of the companies that MS has eaten and shit out in the last 25 years.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 12:15:00 PM

QUOTE(jaskerzada006 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:20 PM)

By that standard, i think god is in Sony's price range also.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

Assumption is never a bright idea.

4. M$ could buy God. Hmmm they better hurry up since it seems god is on Sony's side. Kinda like david and goliath, the weak and inferior one comes out on top.

Who is the real company reaping all the benifits this next generation? IBM, and who are they in bed with right now.......$ony. Thats right M$ has to buy those PowerPC's from IBM. $ony is one of the developers of the "Cell" so they are going to get theirs for dirt cheap. Oh and since the plan for the "Cell" is so they work together if one is in your HDTV, where does that leave M$ in the High Def era, lagging behind. Sony is up to a little more than just making a console this time. They are going for the entire multimedia aspect of our living rooms, not just making an "all around" console.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Joergen on April 25, 2005, 12:57:00 PM

Actually, Bill Gates is the richest man on earth, the weak dollar gave the IKEA dude a 6 billion dollar lead momentarily but its been reversed already.

And MS is hands down the richest company on earth.. while Sonys computer entertainment section made a net loss last year due to the cell processor investments and funding.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:07:00 PM

delete

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:25:00 PM

QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 25 2005, 02:27 PM)

WTF? You keep saying Sony didn't have to "work" for it, but you really have no clue. You don't think Sony had to work to knock the long time market leader off the top spot? You're crazy.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 01:32:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:42 PM)

You guys really think M$ has all the money in the world dont you? Bill gates isnt the richest man on earth you know. I cant believe what Im hearing here. Sony has plenty of money.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:33:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 02:38 PM)

Wow you ripped apart my entire argument. You really are a pissy person.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 01:35:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 06:39 PM)

I can be, I'm sorry.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Wedding-shirt on April 25, 2005, 01:37:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 12:42 PM)

You guys really think M$ has all the money in the world dont you? Bill gates isnt the richest man on earth you know. I cant believe what Im hearing here. Sony has plenty of money.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: jk009 on April 25, 2005, 01:38:00 PM

Well, the Cell processor, to my thoughts is a great way to intergrate your product to the multimedia area! YOu can apply the processor to TV, PC, Systems, Sound based and more! But the price will kill the product.
If you look at the PPC Dual Core MS is using is a good basic and cheap and easy for the devoper community and for the use for the system as well as a good product, but it can't be applied everywhere.
The way I see it as the Cell is like Windows, a hope to put your product everywhere and to hope everyone can use it.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:38:00 PM

QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 25 2005, 02:40 PM)

You act like getting devs is a walk in the park. If that were true, why does Sony have so much more 3rd party support than the other guys? You don't think it was "work" to convince devs to take a chance on an unknown system, to design and build a system, to work up a marketing plan to take down the market leader, etc...?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 25, 2005, 01:42:00 PM

christ ps3 will have 2 or if they can pull it out there ass 3 cell processors NOT THE SERVER VERSION. expect half the power of that video

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 01:44:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 06:43 PM)

Just buy an X2 and then you have a year to save for the PS3. It's not that hard.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Thraxen on April 25, 2005, 01:49:00 PM

QUOTE

christ ps3 will have 2 or if they can pull it out there ass 3 cell processors NOT THE SERVER VERSION. expect half the power of that video

Ummm... that demo was performed with 1 cell processor. The 8 SPE units that the article refers to are inside a single cell chip.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: miggidy on April 25, 2005, 01:52:00 PM

It all comes down to the GPU anyways....
My money is on ATI any day over Nvidia....

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 01:52:00 PM

QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 25 2005, 06:55 PM)

Ummm... that demo was performed with 1 cell processor. The 8 SPE units that the article refers to are inside a single cell chip.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:53:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 02:52 PM)

The Playstation had all the games, the N64 had the best games but few and far between and the Saturn only had a few bad ports and some exclusive Sega arcade games which were cool but not enough.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 25, 2005, 01:54:00 PM

QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 25 2005, 07:55 PM)

Ummm... that demo was performed with 1 cell processor. The 8 SPE units that the article refers to are inside a single cell chip.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 07:00 PM)

I see what you're saying but if I were you, I wouldn't worry so much. The Xbox 360 will be able to make all the great games that were on the Xbox only a lot better.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Apr 25 2005, 03:00 PM)

im refering to spe units when i say processor thank you come again,server has 8 desktop supposedly 4 i say there will be 3 in ps3(one work assigner and 2 work horses)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Odium X on April 25, 2005, 01:59:00 PM

), but if the PS3 comes with the Blu-Ray DVD I'll buy it as well.

Right now the XBOX is going the same way the PlayStation went!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Wedding-shirt on April 25, 2005, 02:00:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 01:59 PM)

Yup, and thats just like the way it is now. Sony has all the games, but the Xbox has better ones, but few and far between. I dont like Halo but its the Goldeneye of this generation. The best console FPS.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: miggidy on April 25, 2005, 02:01:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Apr 25 2005, 08:00 PM)

im refering to spe units when i say processor thank you come again,server has 8 desktop supposedly 4 i say there will be 3 in ps3(one work assigner and 2 work horses)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Wedding-shirt on April 25, 2005, 02:05:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 02:04 PM)

Will we have the final specs of both consoles at E3? Or will it be about a stimulation and revealing as ourcolony?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 02:06:00 PM

QUOTE(miggidy @ Apr 25 2005, 07:07 PM)

I was just speaking in general and not responding to your posts.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Joergen on April 25, 2005, 02:09:00 PM

Any of you planning on NOT buying both X360 and PS3? I will get both.

And I am SO happy that the next gen will come THIS FALL and not two years from now. Sony likes to milk the cow till its udders fall off, we saw that with the PSX (yes PS1), but I'd like my next generation, now, thank you very much.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: miggidy on April 25, 2005, 02:10:00 PM

Well I know one thing for sure,
I do not trust Sony and their promises....

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 02:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Joergen @ Apr 25 2005, 07:15 PM)

Any of you planning on NOT buying both X360 and PS3? I will get both.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 02:12:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 03:16 PM)

It's going to come down to the PPU IMHO. And the PS3's CPU works as a PPU so if the X360 doesn't have one, they're in trouble.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 02:19:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 07:19 PM)

No one does. But it's just plan logical for the PS3 to be more powerful if they're launching a year later.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: miggidy on April 25, 2005, 02:39:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 08:19 PM)

No one does. But it's just plan logical for the PS3 to be more powerful if they're launching a year later.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 02:44:00 PM

QUOTE(miggidy @ Apr 25 2005, 07:45 PM)

6 months at best....

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 25, 2005, 02:46:00 PM

QUOTE(crobar @ Apr 25 2005, 03:44 PM)

i dont post in this section at all but figured this might be somthing worth posting...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 25, 2005, 02:53:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:36 PM)

Its called fanboyism. Kinda like how PS2 fanboys wont admit that the xbox has better graphics, which is clear to anyone with good vision.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 25, 2005, 02:53:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 03:36 PM)

Sony will come out with something awesome with the PS3 but again, I don't think it will be THAT much more powerful where you don't want to play your X360 anymore.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 02:55:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 07:59 PM)

Well, even being a SONY fan I dont want to play my PS2 anymore because of the graphical difference between it and XBOX.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: teamzeal on April 25, 2005, 03:28:00 PM

Can we get a direct link to the video posted. They're now requiring registration.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 25, 2005, 03:53:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 11:58 AM)

M$ started with 1 X tripple core 3.5GHz processor then went down to 1 X dual core processor at 2GHz

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ozy on April 25, 2005, 03:55:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 25 2005, 08:59 PM)

erm... when did this happen? and more to the point.. WHY is it that I don't know this yet...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 25, 2005, 04:11:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 10:01 PM)

The dev kit specs should be in a topic below. Go search.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: M-K-E! on April 25, 2005, 04:20:00 PM

why post this? this is like saying the xbox has an intel chip and show a video of an intel p4HT chip at 3.9ghz... just becasue there showing it off doesnt mean it's what will be in it. plus we have no clue whats in the next xbox other then it will be an ibm chip to compare it to...

this whole xbox 2 secion is useless (cept for the ourcolony stuff)

everybody is just posting rumors from years ago...and posting links to articles that are old or have been linked to in 15 other threads.

this forum section should be locked to admin posting only...atlest untill after may 12th/e3.

i mean how many topics have to be made that ask "what modchip is available for xbox 2, what are the specs, look here, i have an official unofficial pic of xbox 2, what are the homebrew possiblities of it, "will xbox 2 have the same scene as xbox 1 did", and i could sit here forever and write them but...someones gotta start doing some serious cleaning up in here....

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mgamer20o0 on April 25, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

QUOTE(M-K-E! @ Apr 25 2005, 10:26 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 25, 2005, 04:50:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ Apr 25 2005, 02:01 PM)

The dev kit specs should be in a topic below. Go search.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: ninjax on April 25, 2005, 04:56:00 PM

And for all of you who just got on the scene, you might want to research m_hael's posts. He knows his shit, and I have read a lot of his posts in the xbox2 forums.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 25, 2005, 04:57:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 25 2005, 10:56 PM)

why search.. I have the manual sitting on the floor by my side.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: kingroach on April 25, 2005, 05:21:00 PM

Problem with PS2 was not its CPU but its programming language.. if you fine tune a game for 2 yrs.. you will get something like GT4 in PS2.. which does 1080i..

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 25, 2005, 05:28:00 PM

QUOTE(kingroach @ Apr 25 2005, 11:27 PM)

Problem with PS2 was not its CPU but its programming language.. if you fine tune a game for 2 yrs.. you will get something like GT4 in PS2.. which does 1080i..

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 25, 2005, 06:46:00 PM

QUOTE(kingroach @ Apr 25 2005, 03:27 PM)

Problem with PS2 was not its CPU but its programming language.. if you fine tune a game for 2 yrs.. you will get something like GT4 in PS2.. which does 1080i..

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Movation on April 25, 2005, 07:21:00 PM

Sony cant even make a decent DVD drive for the PS2 (I have been through 3) how bad will their blueray drive be. Not to mention Sony's PS2 Online experience (It I think sega did a better job!!). Truth was I bought a Sony Hypestation2 at launch bought into the hype (toy story graphics, banned in china due to its supercomputer status pffft!!) Got it home booted it up to find I had to go back to EB and fork over another $60A for a memory card, Then booted up Ridge Racer, it was very a sad day!! After that I went back to playing my dreamcast till the xbox came out. (US Launch)
So basicly if dancing on a plastic mat, acting like a dick in front of a tiny camera, or singing crap songs is your thing the PS3 is your ultimate console. But for hardcore gaming action & online XB360 will be king!!!

Sony you own me toy story GFX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mastergwaha on April 25, 2005, 09:16:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 25 2005, 11:43 AM)

I don't know why people get so worked up. The PS3 will be awesome but the Xbox 360 has a HUGE advantage, it is launching a year earlier.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: 110100100 on April 25, 2005, 09:28:00 PM

my 2 cents in 3 words,.... Perfect Dark Zero

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: crobar on April 25, 2005, 09:42:00 PM

Sorry if some of you dont like that I posted this news...
The article states its the cells demo...
I thought it was a relevant topic considering no one has really seen what it could be capable of, same with the 360...
It wasnt a tease or a rumor Im not some noob
If you dont like the article or the question
Could the 360 be capable of the same?

Then dont read...or ban the post...

As for it being about two cpus we know little about...
Sure does that mean we cant talk bout it?
Sorry I didnt know this was auschwitz's

I posted this as news and to spark a constructive conversation...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: masonshoemocker on April 25, 2005, 11:14:00 PM

I'm just gonna throw my 2 Cents into the pot. Even though PS3 is is coming out almost a year later, I really think Sony is going to cut back on hardware and i'm pretty sure the cell processor they're showing off, won't be the one going into the PS3. Why, you ask?

1. Sony had some screwed up management and took a $658 Million Loss for quarter 1 of 2005 plus they have the $90 million lawsuit (controller vibration patent) they just lost.

2. Sony is taking a loss on the PSP hardware right now. Forced into a low price point no doubt by Nintendo, the current king of portables and the UMD format doesn't really help. But, they are in good position to get a good piece of the portable market because the PSP is actually a great media device especially if you have a 1GB or 2GB Duo stick. I hate the DS.

I know that this is Sony and they DO have money but they're no M$. They can't afford to continue losing money the way they are. I think they had a managment change recently to try and turn things around so we'll see how that fairs.

So with all that, I'm not sure how Sony is going to approach PS3. Are they going to cut back on hardware and sell the PS3 at a higher price than what the XBOX 360 will be by then? Or, are they going to put some good hardware that will at least last a 4 to 5+ year console life and match M$ or sell low? Another thing to consider is if Sony will make the PS3 developer friendly. PS2 was not but since it was the majority, developers had to just go with it.

All in all though, competition is GREAT for all of us which is the consumer. Because of Sony and because M$ wants to be Number 1, M$ is going to try and bring out a great game machine that everyone will like. And because of M$, Sony now has to try and match or beat that now because it's obvious to everyone that M$ has gained some footing in the Video Game industry and is now in good position to be next-gen's number 1.

I hope Sony comes out with good hardware for the next generation because the PS2 isn't that great hardware wise (2 controller ports with short controller wires, no HD, no ethernet card, and cheap drive). I still got one though because I wanted to play it's exclusives. So here's hoping that Sony doesn't screw up and keeps M$ on their toes.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: zero129 on April 26, 2005, 02:20:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:23 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 26, 2005, 07:10:00 AM

QUOTE(zero129 @ Apr 26 2005, 03:26 AM)

No see, you seem to be miss understanding my point.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 26, 2005, 07:34:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 25 2005, 07:52 PM)

hate to bust your bubble but... the programming language for ps2, ps1, ngc, xbox & xenon is C++... ALL the same....the compilers are different .. but the language we write in is the same.. how else do you think we do cross platform games?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 08:31:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 26 2005, 05:40 AM)

If this is true explain why most all cross-platform games are delayed because the PS2 version is not done yet? All games are programmed in C++ means nothing. The way the data is handled, sent, and executed by the CPU, VPU, etc in the PS2 is very complex. This makes compiling the PS2 version a pain in the ass. Your right its not the programming language but the hardware does keep it back.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 26, 2005, 09:14:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 26 2005, 08:16 AM)

The lowest version of a "Cell" will still be faster than any PowerPC CPU, considering it is the sucessor of them. Same as how the lowest Athlon 64 is still faster than the highest Athlon XP. Everyone seems to forget this simple rule. The argument of it wont be the server "Cell" chip is old and doesnt mean a thing, it will still be faster.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 09:36:00 AM

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Apr 26 2005, 07:20 AM)

Not necessarily. Most people (myself included) site that high end P3s will outperform low end P4s

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 26, 2005, 09:51:00 AM

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Apr 26 2005, 10:20 AM)

Not necessarily. Most people (myself included) site that high end P3s will outperform low end P4s

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 10:36:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 26 2005, 07:57 AM)

A Celeron that uses the P4 socket is not a P4. Any low end P4 will outperform any P3. P3's have a FSB of 133Mhz and only support SSE. Name a P4 that has a FSB lower than 400Mhz, doesnt do SSE2 and doesnt support DDR ram. The system bus holds the P3 back. Maybe alone the P3 processor is faster, but as a complete system it will hold up the other devices due to the much slower system bus.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 26, 2005, 11:04:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 26 2005, 11:42 AM)

when you compare the POWER of engines do you take into account the fact that said engine could be within a Winnebago or a Porche - NO you don't...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 26, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Apr 26 2005, 12:57 PM)

Even with all that said, the high end P3 was faster than the low end P4.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 26, 2005, 01:06:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Apr 26 2005, 03:57 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 01:47:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ Apr 26 2005, 10:42 AM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 26, 2005, 02:22:00 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: nova805 on April 26, 2005, 03:19:00 PM

ok, but seriously... would you people quit eating up everything these companies tell you.... both consoles will be great... PS3 may be more powerful, but maybe not... quit being so damn stubborn over things we have no FACTS on....

when we know the facts then you people can argue hardware... i still think we should argue more about what games and features each system will have....

ohh... and for those that think they know what will be in each console... sony hasnt sayed how fast the PS3 cell will be, and MS hasnt formally anounced anything on its new processor... speculation is fun... but arguing about opinions is stupid....

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 04:48:00 PM

QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Apr 26 2005, 12:36 PM)

lol, thats nice, i wonder how long iy took to decode, im guessing a week, lol. Ok seriously where are the benchmarks? its like saying a P4 is capable of over 70 trillion calculations and leaving it at that. Was it done real-time was it done in half an hour, how long were the clips, or were they full tv shows. I need details to really be impressed, i definitely wont be if its running at 1 frame every 20 mins...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 26, 2005, 05:56:00 PM

QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Apr 26 2005, 11:29 PM)

hmm.. pretty impressive but i would need to see benches from a comparable PPC with decent AltiVec, as it supposed can increase parallel data calcs over 10x what a general processor does. i epecially want to see altivec in the x2 as i hear there are a TON of these units in the nextbox

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Carlo210 on April 26, 2005, 06:22:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Apr 25 2005, 11:34 PM)

still more n00bs thinking it actually does true 1080i

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 26, 2005, 06:34:00 PM

QUOTE(nova805 @ Apr 27 2005, 12:32 AM)

i didn't think there was a certain way to spell "newbs"

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 06:53:00 PM

QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Apr 26 2005, 03:29 PM)

i epecially want to see altivec in the x2 as i hear there are a TON of these units in the nextbox

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Limpfalife on April 26, 2005, 09:43:00 PM

Im having a little dejavu. When sony showed off the ps2 in Japan everyone was so hyped about this "Emotion Engine" which was what powered the graphics for the ps2. They claimed that is was so powerful and that the graphics were going to be so amazing. Well guess what they werent and MS released the xbox and soon became the most powerful console. So this "Cell" chip is not going to be all that great. Sony just likes hyping things up. Oh and one more thing PS3 is not coming out a year after the Xbox 360 its is coming out around March of 2006 in Japan so stop sayin that PS3 is coming out a year after xbox 360 and that the technology will be better and it will have better graphics then the xbox 360 because it wont. Xbox was just a test into the gaming scene MS was new and didnt know what they were doing. They failed in japan and in asia. But now with all the japanese developers backing them up i believe the xbox 360 will have more games then the ps3. There I said it !!!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 26, 2005, 11:22:00 PM

QUOTE(Limpfalife @ Apr 26 2005, 07:49 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 27, 2005, 07:45:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 27 2005, 12:28 AM)

could someone post some links to the release date of ps3 please?... I'm fairly sure my bosses will want to know

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: deftonesmx17 on April 27, 2005, 07:57:00 AM

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Apr 27 2005, 07:51 AM)

You know I was wondering the same thing, searching around I couldn't even find a RUMOR that said when the PS3 would be released.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 27, 2005, 09:37:00 AM

I think people mean a year after, in the USA.

all the speculation leans toward a quarter 1 Japanese launch, and quarter 4 US launch, hence the year after xbox 2(thats how they do their math I assume)

But in tech terms, it would be only 3 or 4 months after the xbox 360. The delay in launch from Japan to the US doesnt change the tech inside.

again, all speculation.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on April 27, 2005, 09:50:00 AM

QUOTE(Deftech @ Apr 27 2005, 07:43 AM)

I think people mean a year after, in the USA.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 27, 2005, 10:01:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Apr 27 2005, 08:56 AM)

so.. is there any basis for said speculation?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Wedding-shirt on April 27, 2005, 07:21:00 PM

QUOTE(Vegita @ Apr 27 2005, 12:48 PM)

Aren't you guys scared all the Cells in the world will link up on the internet and collectively become sentient... like SkyNET. It will be judgement day and someone will have to send a terminator from the future to stop the Sony execs from launching PS3.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: AW0L on April 27, 2005, 07:59:00 PM

it dosent seem too impressive to me. but the programing does seem interesting. and it should since its why there showing this off, for the programing. what impress me is if the programing is running each stream by itself example would be PIP if is handled this way, then they way they programed this is pretty damn good.

but there is another way of acheiving this effect
basically 48 mpeg-2s at sdtv probably 640-480 standard. thumbnailed each video and put them together on a single layer. you can already do this on a mac final cut pro but are limited becuase of memory limits to around 16-24 its collage option, becuase getting this same effect can be done on a mac g4 by takeing the 24 image collage and render it together then put it together with another already rendered 24 collage this can speed things up becuase its only rendering 2 streams into one hd image. but the rendering process takes awhile and there is noticable slowdowns, now if this image isnt pre rendered and done on rendering on the fly then thats damn good.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: incaseshit on April 27, 2005, 10:17:00 PM

this reminds me of waterboy. u know where bobby is all about water, and the guys are yelling... "GATORADEEEEEEEEEEE!"

now most of the people on this site are here because they are interested in modding their xbox. thats the reason xbox is better... look at everyhting u can do with it. u can turn it into an HP media center for a fraction of the cost. alot people buy xbox with intent to mod it. now all u xbox fans wouldnt be xbox fans if u couldnt do this to ur box.

many xbox games are dropping in price in the near future because they arnt selling. lots being moved to platinum hits way sooner than they should be. xbox is HALO. thats it. if xbox didnt have halo, they wouldnt survive.

ps3 wil be superior just as ps2 is superior to xbox now. its cheaper, has more games and can fit in your glove compartment in your car.

sure xbox is cool, it has a lot of great things u can do to it... but i dont see how it is superior to the ps2. most people i know who have an xbox, also have a ps2... y'all argue over which one is better... there isnt a better system. but ps2 is definitely more preferred.. M$ may have the money, but sony has experience and loyal fans. they will prevail, its simple.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: nova805 on April 27, 2005, 10:39:00 PM

heheheh.... fanboys make me feel all tingly inside....

i modded my xbox, and so did most of the people i know, but last i checked, im the minority when its comes to the typical xbox owner... less than 20 some % mod there xboxes i think it was... i think the % was just as high for PS2 as it was for xbox, which means more ppl have modded PS2s thans xboxs... someone on here had a link to the info but i cant find it right now, it was over 6 months ago.... anyways, i agree, xbox would not be as great without halo, but honestly, i have over 30 games, 25 of which are xbox exclusives and they are all great games, which in my mind means that halo is not the end all and be all of xbox, although many people did buy xbox just to play halo (which when i first got my box, that was my main reason)... ohh well, those that cant open their minds to other consoles will never get to enjoy some great games, hell, i bought a gamecube just so i could play a couple games on it... fanboys need to pull there heads outta their fanboy arses...

if you cant see how xbox is superior to PS2, compare two ported games side by side... xbox obviously has the advantage.... now if ur saying PS2 is better cause more ppl own them, thats silly, sheep will go where ever the flock takes them, i used to buy into all the playstation mumbo jumbo, but its time you open ur eyes to the greatness of all three companies! playstation2 has died in my pinion... it has only come out with 2 games which i thik are worth getting in the past 6 months... ohh well, thats why i have the xbox too (which has come out with over 6 games ive been looking forward to in that time frame)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 27, 2005, 11:32:00 PM

person.

go get your clan of zombies and show them this post, so you can all sit around and have a good laugh at my expense.

hows that online ps2 experience treating you guys by the way?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: enderandrew on April 28, 2005, 12:38:00 AM

It try to be objective. I own all the consoles.

The PS2 has the better game library, and the XBox is superior in terms of hardware.

Developers seem to be moving to M$. While the PS1 was easier to program for than the N64, the XBox 2 likely will be far easier to program for than the PS3. That will likely be M$'s great strength.

And while online PS2 play is free, more games need to support it right away, or Sony needs to create Live-style service real quick if they want to compete.

However, given a later launch, there is no reason to suspect that Sony can't create a system with better hardware.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: AW0L on April 28, 2005, 03:36:00 AM

i think a number was thrown around about how many people have a modded xbox that M$ did, i think the number was 1/20 about 5% if we use this same number of 5% and apply it to ps2 ownwers there, there would be way more modded ps2 out there. Sure you can say xbox is the best to mod, and it is! its more diverse with what you can do with it and alot of the xtra mods are done by the consumer. the basic mod (chip) is usually done by someone who is paid to do it, and knows what they are doing, ps2 isnt that hard to mod to play backups, and playing back ups is the number one reason to mod. there are more modded ps2 then xbox plain and simple. also its harder to make a backup of a xbox game then it is of a ps2, ps2 backup is relativly easy for anyone who can use a burning program, with xbox you need some basic networking skill unless its hardrive, but same can be said about ps2 and its hardrive saved games.

your also saying PS has alot of fan loyalty, well so did nintendo, but becuase ps1 choosed the cheaper meduim that had more space and cheaper and standard to produce for is why alot developed for it that and nintendo beleived it was god and asked for alot of royalties, beleving that it was a honor to make games for its system, drove producers away. its was more profitable to make games for ps1 then nentendo 64.

now if your saying alot of games are moving into the plat hits, isnt this a good thing? if xbox has more plat hits then ps2 how is this proving games are not selling? dont the games have to hit a certain amount of units sold before being put into plat hits? and halo yea it sold extremly well, i think its the most profitable game in history for its time frame, this is M$ golden eye, a system seller.

incaseshit said:

"M$ may have the money, but sony has experience and loyal fans. they will prevail, its simple"

what if we were to compare that statement to past actual history instead of your forsight

lets say i was in your place and i said:

"Sony may have more money, but nintendo has experience and loyal fans. they will prevail, its simple"

by your logic wouldnt this be the same statement you would have made 11 or so years ago?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Carlo210 on April 29, 2005, 06:29:00 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mikeandbandit on April 30, 2005, 09:02:00 AM

the ps2 is technically capable of many more ingame polys than the xbox

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: RS_250 on April 30, 2005, 09:08:00 AM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: CompanyshoP on April 30, 2005, 12:02:00 PM

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mikeandbandit on April 30, 2005, 12:05:00 PM

umm.. ati is building the dual core for the
X2, im not sure where you heard about the nvida one for the ps3

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 30, 2005, 12:09:00 PM

QUOTE(CompanyshoP @ Apr 30 2005, 11:08 AM)

Very impressive. This and NVIDIA'S dual core GPU should give Playstation 3 a knockout punch.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 30, 2005, 12:29:00 PM

QUOTE(Deftech @ Apr 30 2005, 06:15 PM)

not another one

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 30, 2005, 01:46:00 PM

QUOTE(spearfree @ Apr 30 2005, 06:35 PM)

Being stupid is OK, but acting like one is just wrong! Just get it in your head that ps3 will be better just as Xbox is now because it will come latter. However, cell is fucking done!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 30, 2005, 02:42:00 PM

QUOTE(spearfree @ Apr 30 2005, 11:35 AM)

Being stupid is OK, but acting like one is just wrong! Just get it in your head that ps3 will be better just as Xbox is now because it will come latter. However, cell is fucking done!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 30, 2005, 04:11:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Apr 30 2005, 07:52 PM)

you obviously do not have the brain compacity to comprehend anything someone who knows what they are talking about says. sad

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 30, 2005, 04:13:00 PM

QUOTE(Deftech @ Apr 30 2005, 08:48 PM)

Another brilliant one I see.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 30, 2005, 04:15:00 PM

Can some1 plz post the link to video (Cell Processor Demo)? Thanx!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mgamer20o0 on April 30, 2005, 04:18:00 PM

QUOTE(spearfree @ Apr 30 2005, 10:17 PM)

PS3 OWNZ!! Get used to it M$ bitch!

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: spearfree on April 30, 2005, 04:28:00 PM

QUOTE(mgamer20o0 @ Apr 30 2005, 10:24 PM)

isnt there rules about the whole fanboy peeps in here? i well. i dont know how anyone can say ps3 ownz or xbox 360 ownz when they havent seen it. even after both of them are out just cuz it has a faster cheap or better graphics doesnt mean it will be the top seller. even when we are on ps4 and xbox what ever it will be called one wont ownz another. it all depends on what type of games you like. i use my xbox more thus i am on a xbox forum. get the hint?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 30, 2005, 04:32:00 PM

QUOTE(spearfree @ Apr 30 2005, 10:34 PM)

You are right it really does not matter who got faster/better chip/graphic card. But I am just pissed off at ps2 and xbox fans that say this one is this, that one is that, and such shit. I own both consoles (ps2 and xbox) and I am happy with it, but yes both consoles have their own exclusives that I love. But that is not the point! The point is that both consoles (ps3 and xbox2) will be kick ass.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on April 30, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

QUOTE(raydn @ Apr 30 2005, 10:47 PM)

The people who care which console is more powerfull or has better looking graphics are imature in my opinion.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Deftech on April 30, 2005, 05:45:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ Apr 30 2005, 03:38 PM)

and user ignored

plz others join me

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Hunter Killer on April 30, 2005, 06:53:00 PM

QUOTE(raydn @ Apr 30 2005, 04:47 PM)

Has anyone had a situtation where their mates are over, there is a PS2 and XBOX a Gamecube with whatever latest games, an N64 with goldeneye and a snes with mario kart. Which console / game would you and your mates most likely play on? would i be wrong to say mario kart or even goldeneye over the current gen games?

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Rustyk1 on May 01, 2005, 02:09:00 PM

QUOTE

It is, without exaggeration, the best FPS ever.

No, it's not.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Hunter Killer on May 01, 2005, 02:43:00 PM

QUOTE(Rustyk1 @ May 1 2005, 02:15 PM)

No, it's not.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: 7 e on May 01, 2005, 02:54:00 PM

Holy Shit man if you think GE is the best FPS ever you live in a fantasy world

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Hunter Killer on May 01, 2005, 03:05:00 PM

QUOTE(7 ® å ð e @ May 1 2005, 03:00 PM)

Holy Shit man if you think GE is the best FPS ever you live in a fantasy world

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mikeandbandit on May 01, 2005, 03:35:00 PM

also forgot enemy territory AWESOME game not to mention its free. in this game you have several classes with different abilities for instance you can be a secret op and actually exchange clothing with a fallen enemy to infiltrate their base, or a engineer ops and fix stuff like tanks and explosives, or a special ops and call in massive air strikes, or a medic an heal team mates and revive fallen ones. i personally loved being the team medic as i prefer to blow stuff up anyway so i always had my grenades ready and healing kit in the other hand and basically followed around a group leader or team and applyied aid and revived where neccesary, again the feeling of actually being an integral part of a function and effective team is one that cannot be made up for in any amount of graphical detail or anything. Its just great gameplay from great team dynamics.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: giwen on May 01, 2005, 03:42:00 PM

Have any other Goldeneye fans transfered their love to the deathmatch mode in XIII?

Would play the N64 but the joysticks are knackered...

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Hunter Killer on May 01, 2005, 03:52:00 PM

Thanks for that post mike. It was great reading, and far more intelligent than the posts of some of the other users in this thread.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: obxdenied on May 01, 2005, 03:55:00 PM

QUOTE(Hunter Killer @ May 1 2005, 07:49 PM)

Then what is? Halo? Halo 2?

Half life 2 by far. Alot more fun than halo or goldeneye and certainly has more innovative gameplay aspects than both of them put together and graphically amazing. Not to mention great multiplayer with thousands of servers.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: raydn on May 01, 2005, 05:17:00 PM

As for CELL, lots of hype behind it as you would expect if sony is involved. Lets hope developers for the PS3 can make good use of it and produce something that can rival what goldeneye was for the n64, halo was for the xbox and what the latest fps on PC are.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: Dolfhin on May 01, 2005, 05:19:00 PM

QUOTE(raydn @ May 1 2005, 11:23 PM)

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 02, 2005, 12:29:00 AM

geez your haven to much fun bashing sony playstation

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: enderandrew on May 02, 2005, 01:46:00 AM

Oddly enough, the PS1 was a weaker machine than the N64, but the games look far superior because developers said the Sony machine was far easier to develop for. That's how Sony became so big in this business. And the PS2 was the cheap and easy way for many to get a DVD player.

I'm guessing that the XBox 360 will be the easiest system to develop for in the next gen, so if Sony is going to compete, they will have to do it with big name developers, and superior hardware.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: obxdenied on May 02, 2005, 03:53:00 AM

the xbox 360 is XNA aint it?. Which uses a form of directx10? So in terms of easy to program for then yes xbox 360 will be. And the N64 games did look better than the psx. Mario 64 looked quite good compared to anything on the psx. The psx just had more games, and more storage space on the disk for cutscenes and such.

Title: Cell Processor Demo
Post by: m_hael on May 02, 2005, 12:09:00 PM

QUOTE(obxdenied @ May 2 2005, 01:59 AM)

the xbox 360 is XNA aint it?.

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