Post by: Lord Serebi on November 03, 2006, 06:03:00 PM
Its going to be able to run linux out of the box, and it will be able to play a variety of formats , mpeg4 and other variations like divx. Its so convenient it is almost like a plea from sony for us not to hack their system.
Anyway, someone just clarify if they are thinking what I'm thinking or their interpretation of this matter. In any case it'd make hacking the xbox360 "for something useful like homebrew" a moot issue, because everyone will say 'dude just get a ps3' kind of like in other forums where people want emulators on their handhelds of older consoles and people just say "dude, mod an xbox"
Post by: spinr34 on November 03, 2006, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 03, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
I read ps3 scene for my main news, you should too, I know there is a ps3 off topic forum here, but I want xbox360 people attention so some other ppl in my position could see it how i'm looking at it, and then show me where i've read an article wrong and vice versa
Post by: KAGE360 on November 03, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
as for the hacking, regardless of what features out of the box, i can see the ps3 being hacked regardless.
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 03, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 03, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 03, 2006, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 03, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
the PS3 will have about as much media support as the PSP, meaning you'll probably have to convert your stuff to the MP4 format (similarly to how you'd have to convert it to WMV on the Xbox 360)...with the latest 360 update you can now stream videos from a PC, USB device, or off of a burnt disc.
Linux development doesn't mean jack Sh*t until we see how bogged down it is, just because it's linux doesn't mean it's open for easy development. The Xbox 1 was built on windows, you can write lots of apps for windows but it doesn't mean that you can run any windows apps on it. Just becaus the PS3 is built on Linux doesn't mean you can run or develop any linux apps for it.
you're adding 2 + 2 and getting 5 here.
Becides homebrew is completely useless unless you have a strong comunity that wants to put in the development effort. the PS2 had just as many capabilities as the Xbox 1, and the PS2 also had Linux availble, but no one built any worthwhile homebrew apps because the Playstation development comunity is fairly self centered and doesn't bother with ventures that wont make them any money.
Post by: Pheidias on November 04, 2006, 03:21:00 AM
http://www.coloradoa...INESS/610180339
Post by: incognegro on November 04, 2006, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: Pheidias on November 04, 2006, 05:04:00 AM
Post by: dvsone on November 04, 2006, 08:22:00 AM
Can we expect monthly firmware updates that take away features of the OS that conflict with sony's business interests. And lawsuits against developers that interfere with sony's bank balance. So far sony has made news of the Linux distro pretty low key, but it seems that have sure talked it up with Terra Soft.
Post by: calderra on November 04, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 01:11 PM) 
Kage360 so when/if the 360 will be modable to run anything you want you won't do it since that breaks the "I only want a games system to game on" ?
I'll personally admit: I have a fully modded Xbox. I don't (currently) do anything illegal with it (er, technically modifying the console is probably in the gray area, but you know what I mean). I just run a lot of cool little apps. Streaming music and weather, file management, etc.
I modded it, frankly, for Halo. I didn't want to take my Halo disc to LAN games all the time so for a while I had Halo downloaded just so I could save my disc from getting scratched up, and I wound up installing tons of modded content specifically for in-house LAN sessions among friends. I never took the box online. I never distributed the disc, I never shared the files, etc. Just cool little personal uses.
Xbox 360 and the new Xbox Live basically deliver or may eventually deliver all of that. The music features are enhanced so I can play my music anytime. The file management is better. And download content is always expanding- maybe someday, a homebrew mod pack will make Marketplace as an official download. Like how Counterstrike: Condition Zero actually BECAME the Counterstrike that Valve now distributes.
There's not much reason to mod 360 IMHO. Not to mention the difficulty- the hard drive is on a proprietary connector, the disc drives just got anti-hack upgrades, the hardware is infinitely upgradable via the flexible firmware.... etc. Combine lack of need with the uphill battle, and it's not a good modding environment.
PS3 on the other hand is very desirable for modding... and it'll probably be easy. Sony promised the hard drive and BD drive should be fully swappable like PC hardware- which means there could be an instant market in ripping and customizing or selling off that hardware (rip out the $500 BD drive and sell it as a $1,000 player, install a cheap 100GB drive on a PS3 and resell it for a higher price, etc). Sony makes a huge deal of HDMI's anti-piracy power... but if you could hack the PS3 to download a disc straight to the hard drive, outputting the movie in full 1080p via Component cables can't be too far away.
Here's a big one: PS3's current online plans don't allow for messaging people, invites, etc, across games. How long until there's a homebrew pack to allow for Xbox Live -esque functionality? Instant messaging and fiesharing, at the very least, will be instently huge. Hacking is basically demanded here. PS3 lacks functionality that Linux devs could probably implement. Et voila! An out-of-the-box reason for lots of users to get modding.
Combine potential ease of hacking (at least on the drive side for starters) with a real NEED to get things hacked out-of-the-box, and you've got a climate for massive mods.
IMHO.
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 04, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Nov 4 2006, 06:43 AM)
Becides homebrew is completely useless unless you have a strong comunity that wants to put in the development effort. the PS2 had just as many capabilities as the Xbox 1, and the PS2 also had Linux availble, but no one built any worthwhile homebrew apps because the Playstation development comunity is fairly self centered and doesn't bother with ventures that wont make them any money.
ps2 dev didn't have as UNIFIED a community as xbox1 nor did it have just as many capabilities.
-ps2's little video memory made everything homebrew slow.
-Loading things off its harddrive did not have any advantage to loading off a cd/dvd because of other bottlenecks.
-HD Loader has so many glitches with so many games. Not like xbox at all.
-Its ethernet adapter is capped at 10mbps, almost useless for trying to stream anything. its a pain sending anything to it.
-its memory cards only read at about 100 kilobytes/sec and using the ethernet adapter thats the only thing you would be sending anything to.
-Couldn't really use the hdd as storage unless you were sending disc images to it
- using Toxic OS on the hdd to watch divx movies was also extremely limited.
- Toxic OS >ONLY< worked with the DMS4 modchip and it didn't have rescaling features like XBMC so you get your divx movies only to have them overscan on screen which often times meants u cant read subtitles and stuff.
- needed a separate PARTITION for toxic OS and ps2 games
- its 300mhz processor limited it for video rendering. xbox1's 700mhz processor has issues with hdtv and +aac/.h264 codec combinations.... just imagine how well ps2 won't play those files
But at the same time there are PLENTY of homebrew applications on the ps2, but they all have to go on the memory card and its a pain. Not as many capabilities as xbox1 at all. the voice of experience is leaving now.
Post by: KAGE360 on November 04, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 07:11 AM)
Kage360 so when/if the 360 will be modable to run anything you want you won't do it since that breaks the "I only want a games system to game on" ?
im a gamer, not a modder. it interests me and i like to read what has been made possible but in all my years i have never done it. my xbox1 isnt modded and neither will my 360.
technology is what grabs my attention not hacking or modding.
i buy systems to game on, never said i did anything else with them
besides i see the ps3 being hacked LONG before the 360
Post by: Mr Invader on November 04, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 06:11 AM)
Kage360 so when/if the 360 will be modable to run anything you want you won't do it since that breaks the "I only want a games system to game on" ?
its not like modding your xbox 360 will limit your function to play games, in fact it will increase the functionality for playing games (emulators, games saved to the harddrive, etc.) Thats why nintendo's virtual console has never appealed to me since you can get an emulator that does the same thing and is free.
Post by: incognegro on November 04, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE
its not like modding your xbox 360 will limit your function to play games
yea its not like theyre gonna ban you from live or anything
Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2006, 06:07:00 AM
He is trying to get people to stop believing the hype and realize a jack of all trades is the master of none, and you get more bang for your buck with either the 360 or a Wii, or a legitimate computer.
Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
It just seems extraneous to me to include a web browser. People that buy a new PS3 and a HDTV that supports 1080p and a stereo that supports whatever new audio technology of the day are the same exact people that own a top of the line computers. They do not need a web browser on their game console.
Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
Also, from what I have read, all 3 will be nearly the same on SDTV. Wii would be the best choice in that regard, from a purely gaming viewpoint. Assuming the particular games you want to play are available for all 3 consoles.
Post by: Tripme on November 05, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
Whats the point of being able to do all this stuff on the PS3? It all seems like a bunch of commodities to me. I mean sure, when I first learned about the features for the 360 I was like, Damn, this is gonna be awesome. Guess what, all I do is play games on it. Seems right though, considering it is a gaming console. Sure, its connected to the internet, but why do you need a browser? Starting to sound more and more like a PC than a gaming console......but I guess thats what I don't get....
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 05, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 5 2006, 03:30 PM)
The question you ask "Is the versatility worth the extra $200?" or $100 is a good question to ask.
Unequivocally NO. Only exclusive games would merit the extra $200-100, but not other half-ass things that have very little to do with gaming; i have a pc that covers that.
A console needs to do one thing, and do that one thing VERY well...and that is games, of course. The 360 only has 15+MB not usable for games, while the ps3 has 96MB that is unusable for games. I would rather have those extra 80MB go toward games rather then convoluted crap that does very little to enhance my gaming experience.
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 05, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 5 2006, 05:23 PM)
Fixed it for you. Did anybody ever clarfy if the 96MB was still used by the OS while gaming.
http://forums.xbox-s...o...0103&st=45#
To the other guys:
But we get it. Sony has not fooled you guys at all, you know better and will not be purchasing a PS3. Congrats for seeing throught the deceit and lies. You buy a game console to game on, a stand alone player for HD movies, and a PC to surf the internet. We get it, we go it the second and 3rd time it was posted. So with that said can you stop repeating it like a mantra in the PS3 section. You think the PS3 is an overpriced piece that will not offer any increased level of gaming for a high price.
Would it be foolish to actually think by saying the above some of you will actually move along or post new topics? Maybe we can make a sticky; "Why XYZ features don't warrant the extra $100-$200 for XYZ members". So everyone will know where you stand.
In case anybody forgot the topic of this thread was:
"Ps3 Out Of Box What We Want Modded Xbox360 To Do?, yes." Not, "please come here and tells us why you don't like the features the PS3 has". Most of the threads on the PS3 boil down to the same general idea with same people saying the same things.
Considering it was my post, 'for me' was implied.
You brought up the price issue, and i thereby replied. So chillout and take that finger your pointing, turn it around and point it at yourself.
We know that you prefer sony's systems, so there is no need to get all huff and puff about it.
Post by: throwingks on November 05, 2006, 07:10:00 PM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 5 2006, 09:06 PM)
My point is well all know where you guys stand. Just because a thread gets started on PS3 features doesn't mean people have to go through the list pointing out things that you don't like or don't want.
Ps3 Out Of Box What We Want Modded Xbox360 To Do?That is the title of this thread.
$200 is correct is terms of gaming. If you want extra features you have to pick which ones. With some configurations the Xbox360 can be more expensive to be equal to PS3. Assuming you believe HD-DVD to be equal to BluRay. Which I don't, all reviews say HD-DVD is better quality.
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 05, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 5 2006, 07:06 PM)
It wasn't just at you, there are others I was directing that post too, hence "to others". I didn't bring up the price issue I merely corrected from Throwingks it as everbody keeps saying $200, when it is $100-200 depending on model.
So point the finger at myself? Hmm....do I go about the 360 forums and make post about how the 360 isn't a good system because of XYZ and how it's not the console for me? No, it's waste of time to do so and quite silly and in all honesty not true because I do like the 360. How about the Wii? Again why waste time bad mouthing something? Nor does anybody really care what I look for in a game system and why I think asystem is good or bad.
What I prefer is for the same topics to not get rehashed in every post. Topic: PS3 has this/can do this/etc, who care it sucks/BS hype/Stupid feature and doesn't justify the price, wash, rinse, repeat.
My point is well all know where you guys stand. Just because a thread gets started on PS3 features doesn't mean people have to go through the list pointing out things that you don't like or don't want.
Wait is was my fault I left out a crucial word
It's all good though we are in an Xbox forum so I can't say its not expected.
You make a big deal when anything not in the ps3's favor is brought up, and seem to think it is your responsibility to defend it. Why? Who cares? Take it easy and be happy with your future ps3, and try not to get so flustered when your baby is cast in an unforgiving light.
Post by: dvsone on November 05, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 06, 2006, 07:00:00 AM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 5 2006, 07:39 PM)
not much to say to that....except do you feel it is your responsiblity to tell everybody on XS why you won't own a PS3?
. I guess I make a big deal when subjective arguments are brought up over and over in various threads. You guys would think I want to own, or already own, a Mazda Speed 3 from the way I defended it over at NASIOC , but I don't. Like I said you guys should have a sticky at the top of this forum to keep all of those post.
You asked a question and i replied, ffs. That is the only time i have typed anything on that subject.
You sony zeliots need to take your riddlen, take a deep breath and chill.
Post by: throwingks on November 06, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
QUOTE(dvsone @ Nov 5 2006, 11:21 PM)
I think it's going to be a long long time before there is a better media center player than XBMC. I sure hope we'll get it on the 360 one day. The xbox homebrew community is nothing short of spectacular. Playstation has to inspire some creative individuals and teams. I wonder if Yellow Dog will do that, i still have my doubts.
Post by: Kurd on November 06, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 6 2006, 03:17 AM)
Which I don't, all reviews say HD-DVD is better quality.
Nope.
HD-DVD isnt useable for Games.
BluRay is useable for Games.
Thats the point.
Post by: throwingks on November 06, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Kurd @ Nov 6 2006, 04:56 PM)
Nope.
HD-DVD isnt useable for Games.
BluRay is useable for Games.
Thats the point.
BluRay is NOT used for games. DVD9 is all you need this gen. The point is Sony invented BluRay and wants you to believe you need BluRay so they make more money. Read through this forum a bit more, you'll see.
Post by: incognegro on November 06, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: throwingks on November 06, 2006, 05:15:00 PM
Good information!
My point was that if people believe they need a Next-Gen media for their games then the PS3 is the only option. They not only make money from BluRay directly they make money from more PS3 sales. I did think Sony was the lone developer though. That is why I come here, I just learnded.
Didn't Pioneer help DVD-R and Sony DVD+R. Now they are together.
Post by: silentbob343 on November 06, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 6 2006, 08:22 PM)
^
Good information!
My point was that if people believe they need a Next-Gen media for their games then the PS3 is the only option. They not only make money from BluRay directly they make money from more PS3 sales. I did think Sony was the lone developer though. That is why I come here, I just learnded.
Didn't Pioneer help DVD-R and Sony DVD+R. Now they are together.
Yeah format alliances are a wacky thing.
Post by: silentbob343 on November 07, 2006, 01:01:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Nov 7 2006, 02:18 AM)
don't think thats really fair - hes not a rabid fanboy (doesn't act like one at least) - hes not even buying the console (the cheapskate
)lol heheh
I'm not cheap....I'm frugal, yeah that's it, frugal.
Post by: nickthegreat on November 07, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 7 2006, 09:08 AM)
lol heheh
I'm not cheap....I'm frugal, yeah that's it, frugal.
im sure that has implications for the ps3. you only get away with being frugal (and not stingy) because of the $600 price tag..............
im sure my bro will get one too (his ps2 just broke for the 3rd time), but if he gets a 360 ill be very happy to whoop him over live instead..........
Post by: silentbob343 on November 07, 2006, 01:35:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Nov 7 2006, 04:34 AM)
im sure that has implications for the ps3. you only get away with being frugal (and not stingy) because of the $600 price tag..............
im sure my bro will get one too (his ps2 just broke for the 3rd time), but if he gets a 360 ill be very happy to whoop him over live instead..........
nah I'm stingy and admit it. Once I get my student loans paid off I can be much less stingy and buy cool toys again.
Post by: nickthegreat on November 07, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on November 07, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Nov 6 2006, 11:18 PM)
don't think thats really fair - hes not a rabid fanboy (doesn't act like one at least) - hes not even buying the console (the cheapskate
)You are right. It just seemed like he was jumping my shit for me answering his question. Not a big deal, though.
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 20, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: openxdkman on November 23, 2006, 01:20:00 AM