Post by: Xbox-Scene on September 14, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
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Post by: troyBORG on September 14, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
NES = $4.25
SNES = $6.80
N64 = $8.50
Seems good since most XBL arcade games are around $5 (400 points) or $10 (800 points)
Post by: bucko on September 14, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: mat989 on September 14, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: 0794 on September 14, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Here is some decent info on the Wii...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii
Post by: jizmo on September 14, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Still, they've done some pretty incredible design mistakes with this one. 480p will look very crappy on current LCD TV's, especially when seen next to x360 and PS3. The machine isn't that fast, but it should be easily fast enough to push out 720p, when even the original Xbox could do it.
It's a fun machine, but the expected low-res jagfest will keep it off my shopping list for good.
Post by: vyse12012 on September 14, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Ken_D @ Sep 14 2006, 04:16 PM) 
Got to agree. With MS and Sony playing specification Top Trumps, there's something attractive about a console that proports to be primarily FUN rather than having kick-arse graphics or a HD-DVD-BluRay-VHS drive.
Of every console I've owned, the Nintendos and their games (especially the classic Rare and Mario titles) have lived the longest in my memory.
Now let's hope for a pre-Christmas UK launch ...
I know what you mean. I was played Mario Bros 3 this pass weekend with my gf and my friends. Man that was still fun
Post by: pimpthelinc on September 14, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
So affordable also, i didnt realize
Post by: sabbath_dude on September 14, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: bucko on September 14, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Sep 14 2006, 04:24 PM)
Nintendo will do just fine with this generation. Wii as a concept (controllers, online gaming) is much more exciting than Gamecube ever was.
Still, they've done some pretty incredible design mistakes with this one. 480p will look very crappy on current LCD TV's, especially when seen next to x360 and PS3. The machine isn't that fast, but it should be easily fast enough to push out 720p, when even the original Xbox could do it.
It's a fun machine, but the expected low-res jagfest will keep it off my shopping list for good.
But that's the cool thing, they will have a lower price point, aiming at the 90% of people with standard def TV's so that's the market there aiming at. Hell I might get one at Christmas, the Wii just looks so fun and my parents will be able to get it for me and not gasp at the price! Hell my parents would prob end up playing it because it looks so fun!
Post by: sidewinder33 on September 14, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 14, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Sep 14 2006, 11:24 AM)
Nintendo will do just fine with this generation. Wii as a concept (controllers, online gaming) is much more exciting than Gamecube ever was.
Still, they've done some pretty incredible design mistakes with this one. 480p will look very crappy on current LCD TV's, especially when seen next to x360 and PS3. The machine isn't that fast, but it should be easily fast enough to push out 720p, when even the original Xbox could do it.
It's a fun machine, but the expected low-res jagfest will keep it off my shopping list for good.
Have you played Gamecube? Heck have you even played N64?
Nintendo has ALWAYS required that games for their console include whatever the latest and greatest form of FSAA is to pass certification. The Gamecube is virtually Jaggie free even on my HD projector. I would suspect the Wii would be as good if not better in this department.
Despite the GC's lack of horsepower many of the cross-platform games looked better on the GC then it did on the Xbox despite the worse textures and lower poly counts simply because they implemented FSAA well and it gave the graphics a smooth and crisp look.
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 14, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on September 14, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: killab138 on September 14, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
i am really looking foreward to it coming out.
i'll admit that i am a nintendo fan.
not a fanboy or anything.
cant wait to buy one though.
Post by: Ninjaman on September 14, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: rasstar on September 14, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Ninjaman @ Sep 14 2006, 05:38 PM)
I'm just wondering since when did Xbox-Scene start posting news/updates for other consoles....then why call it Xbox-Scene...why not change the name to Console-Scene?
That's a good one.....The wii doesn't look attractive and that price is not good. It's like a 5 year old console revamped with a new controller scheme. After the novelty wears off it will be boring. If games allows you to play with either the controller or the wiimote then it would be better. I can't see myself using that remote to play games at all......
WHo really cares about playing NES games? They all look like crap and I doubt any of us could play them for long. My xbxo has all of them but I never played any.
For $50.00 more poeple can get a much more powerful system that includes HD and DVD playback.
Post by: PONG/GEEZER on September 14, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on September 14, 2006, 11:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Ninjaman @ Sep 14 2006, 11:38 AM)
I'm just wondering since when did Xbox-Scene start posting news/updates for other consoles....then why call it Xbox-Scene...why not change the name to Console-Scene?
well, when something big , like a consoles price point comes out... its worthy of posting to the masses.
im sure many of use visit these forums more than any other gaming site, and its good to not be left out of the loop.
Post by: sinister slipknot on September 14, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(troyBORG @ Sep 14 2006, 03:00 PM)
So in other words.
NES = $4.25
SNES = $6.80
N64 = $8.50
Seems good since most XBL arcade games are around $5 (400 points) or $10 (800 points)
Yeah thats cool, though im sure most people who would want to play alot of the old classics would have done using ROMs
Post by: incognegro on September 14, 2006, 12:10:00 PM
They better be able to play online!
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 14, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 14 2006, 12:50 PM)
That's a good one.....The wii doesn't look attractive and that price is not good. It's like a 5 year old console revamped with a new controller scheme. After the novelty wears off it will be boring. If games allows you to play with either the controller or the wiimote then it would be better. I can't see myself using that remote to play games at all......
WHo really cares about playing NES games? They all look like crap and I doubt any of us could play them for long. My xbxo has all of them but I never played any.
For $50.00 more poeple can get a much more powerful system that includes HD and DVD playback.
Good... one less person I'll have to fight in line on launch day
Post by: iPwn on September 14, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: WampaOne on September 14, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(rasstar @ Sep 14 2006, 12:50 PM)
That's a good one.....The wii doesn't look attractive and that price is not good. It's like a 5 year old console revamped with a new controller scheme. After the novelty wears off it will be boring. If games allows you to play with either the controller or the wiimote then it would be better. I can't see myself using that remote to play games at all......
WHo really cares about playing NES games? They all look like crap and I doubt any of us could play them for long. My xbxo has all of them but I never played any.
For $50.00 more poeple can get a much more powerful system that includes HD and DVD playback.
i'm assuming that you already have an xbox being on these forums, and doesn't that have DVD playback? i don't want my consoles playing DVDs anyway
and about the wiimote to play games, i'm pretty sure you can use gamecube controllers on the wii, and you can't go wrong with the wavebird. there are also virtual console controllers that look a lot like super nintendo controllers.
http://www.newsgab.c...20controler.jpg
this is the only new console i'm going to buy until the 360 and its games come way down in price
Post by: ebrunn on September 14, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: jizmo on September 14, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(bucko @ Sep 14 2006, 06:39 PM)
But that's the cool thing, they will have a lower price point, aiming at the 90% of people with standard def TV's so that's the market there aiming at.
Wii will do very well. Everything about this product is very appealing to the masses, from the price to the games that appeal to large audiences. It's concept proven with DS and taken further in every way with Wii.
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 14 2006, 06:57 PM)
Have you played Gamecube? Heck have you even played N64?
Nintendo has ALWAYS required that games for their console include whatever the latest and greatest form of FSAA is to pass certification. The Gamecube is virtually Jaggie free even on my HD projector. I would suspect the Wii would be as good if not better in this department.
480p on any HDTV set will look misty when placed next to x360 or PS3 on crisp LCD sets, there's just no going around it. Your average Joe Consumer won't be put off by it, but for technology whores like me there's just no going back to SDTV.
But as I said, Wii will do good. I was confident that technically much superior PSP would wipe the floor with clumsy low-res DS, but you know what the story turned out to be there.
Post by: ZildjianKX on September 14, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(WampaOne @ Sep 14 2006, 09:44 AM)
i'm assuming that you already have an xbox being on these forums, and doesn't that have DVD playback? i don't want my consoles playing DVDs anyway
and about the wiimote to play games, i'm pretty sure you can use gamecube controllers on the wii, and you can't go wrong with the wavebird. there are also virtual console controllers that look a lot like super nintendo controllers.
http://www.newsgab.c...20controler.jpg
this is the only new console i'm going to buy until the 360 and its games come way down in price
The virtual console controller is corded?
Post by: R-Dawggy Dawg on September 14, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(ZildjianKX @ Sep 14 2006, 03:26 PM)
The virtual console controller is corded?
I agree... Nintendo had all this time to make shit better.. and they cant even make contollers wireless????? For Shame Nintendo. For Shame.
Post by: gsharpshooter on September 14, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(sabbath_dude @ Sep 14 2006, 04:35 PM)
I really want one!. So cheap and looks like tons of fun. I'll probably end up just playing Golden Eye!. Maybe the best death match game ever created!. I dont care about HD output since I dont own a HD tv and don't intend to any time soon.
OO MAN THIS JUST CHANGED MY MIND ON WII I FOGOT OF GOLDENEYE OO MAN THE GOOD OLD DAYS AHHH YEAH I HAVE A 360 BUT IM STILL DEBATING ABOUT A WII I STILL DUNNO HMM STILL HARD BUT OO MAN I FOGOT ABOUT THE PAST GAMES MAN I ONLY WANAN STICK WITH ONE CONSOLE I SAY NINENDOAND MS MAKE A CONSOLE AGINST SONY AND JUST WIN
Post by: devguy on September 14, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
Also, this virtual console is cool, but any word yet on whether it will support enhancements to the games like backwards compatibility of the Xbox on the 360? I'm talking Anti-aliasing, and maybe upconverting the signals to EDTV from SDTV?
Any info on the DVD player for the wii? I heard it was not built in, which is kinda odd. Also, will it support EDTV?
Finally, I am curious too about the lack of at least some HDTV support. Like it was stated before, the original Xbox could display 720p just fine for some games, why can't a similarly equipped wii do the same? Oh well.
Post by: icantstandtoburntolong on September 14, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
Also remember that the Wii has 512mb built in memory so no need for a memory card!
Post by: street_kings on September 14, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
QUOTE(spIdeZ @ Sep 14 2006, 10:32 PM)
$60 for a controller...are you fucking kidding me?
50 for the 360's controllers. 10 more is really not that bad. $60 for a 360 game...are you fucking kidding me?
I cant wait for this to come out. I'm soooo buying one!
Post by: Andrew_Roy on September 14, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
QUOTE(street_kings @ Sep 14 2006, 10:38 PM)
50 for the 360's controllers. 10 more is really not that bad. $60 for a 360 game...are you fucking kidding me?
I cant wait for this to come out. I'm soooo buying one!
The luxury of a wireless controller for 360 is 50, the wired version which is enough to get by any game is only 40. That's the same price of the wiimote, except the wiimote alone isn't enough to get by a lot if not most games.
Post by: sabbath_dude on September 14, 2006, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(icantstandtoburntolong @ Sep 14 2006, 10:32 PM)
Also remember that the Wii has 512mb built in memory so no need for a memory card!
This is the only thing that worries me about the Wii. That won't last long if you're going to be downloading lots of games + saving your progress etc. Can you add to this with the SD card slot or is that just for game saves and photos?. Either way I still really want one of these things!.
I hope they get released over in Europe for Xmas!. I wonder how much they'll be over here in the UK?. I'm guessing Nintendo do a bundle for £149.99. Suppose we find out tomorrow at the press event.
*edit quote*
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 14, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
Especially when the 360 core system will cost the same with 10x the power and 10x the game selection. Has Nintendo lost it?
Post by: shodanjr_gr on September 14, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
No freaking DVD playback....freaking AGAIN....
This is REALLY retarded...
Post by: sofa king dumb on September 14, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
price aint bad for n64 games though they wont have many at launch
Post by: epsilon72 on September 14, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(sofa king dumb @ Sep 14 2006, 04:16 PM)
WTF its not gonna have HD DVD yet only regular DVD movies play
price aint bad for n64 games though they wont have many at launch
price aint bad for n64 games though they wont have many at launch
You're kidding right? I thought we didn't need any more overpriced next-gen format pushing consoles...
Have you condsidered buying a PS3?
QUOTE(Bush-Is-My-Hero @ Sep 14 2006, 04:36 PM)
looks like wii is just catching up to the original xbox and the ps2,
Gamecube already beat PS2 graphics-wise. Wii is superior to all 6th generation consoles, but not close to the 360/PS3.
Post by: juan_2006 on September 14, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: finalsin on September 14, 2006, 08:25:00 PM
Peace!
Post by: icantstandtoburntolong on September 14, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
Look everyone already has a DVD player, and even if they did make it play DVD movies, it would no doubt be inferior to most stand-alone players. Plus half of you would bitch about the fact they even included it since it is so crappy.
I comes with 512mb of internal memory. Sure that isnt much but this is included in the price, besides the old games arent that big and you can use your gamecube memory cards for gamecube saves and possibly even for Wii saves. Plus, they are using standard SD cards for extra storage (possibly even usb drives) instead of making you buy proprietary memory cards, that is unheard of.
I think $40 for the remote is perfectly reasonable. It has motion sensors, rumble, a speaker, some onboard storage, connects to all other controllers making them wireless, can be used as a NES controller if held sideway, the pointer feature. All this an it is only $10 more than the 360 controller. Not to mention the fact that it is backwards compatible with gamecube controllers, and the addons are only $20.
It also has built in wifi, a browser, photo viewer, free online play, DS connectivity, instant messages, gamecube backwards compatability, a freaking weather channel, and more to come (notice the blank spots on the main menu) And dont forget it actually comes with a game!
I dont know what you all were expecting but I think this is a pretty good deal.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on September 14, 2006, 10:44:00 PM
if you wait out for after launch, you know nintendo will bump out some pimp ass bundles...
i got gamecube, $20 of coupon for a game (Resident evil 4) and mario kart for about 60 bucks, after selling mario kart for 40 on ebay...
i wont get one at launch, but i will get one.
Post by: Himura on September 15, 2006, 02:21:00 AM
QUOTE(icantstandtoburntolong @ Sep 14 2006, 08:07 PM)
Look everyone already has a DVD player, and even if they did make it play DVD movies, it would no doubt be inferior to most stand-alone players. Plus half of you would bitch about the fact they even included it since it is so crappy.
THANK YOU!!!
thats what ive been saying. I dont need another dvd player, I have like 10 already.
Post by: bigjimmy on September 15, 2006, 02:46:00 AM
If worse comes to worse, ill have to import, even though ill be very careful doing so after last time (see sig).
Anyways, on the subject of PS3, I swear to god im going to get a PS3 case, and make a grill out of it!!! ( www.ps3grill.com )
I eagerly await an australian release date...........
Post by: Pikkon on September 15, 2006, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Andrew_Roy @ Sep 15 2006, 06:37 AM)
I'm just about to order the Twilight Prinicess for Gamecube.
The Twilight Princess for the Gamecube comes out Dec 11.And come on the price for the Wii is not that bad.I would say to at least try out the system first when Gamestop and Wallmart and such get demo units,you might change your mind on getting one once you actually get to play it.
Post by: sabbath_dude on September 15, 2006, 06:38:00 AM
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Post by: Johnny Johnson on September 15, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE(vengeancegoon @ Sep 14 2006, 12:32 PM)
Heck yeah! Now I better be able to pre-order this baby. I'm a definite Nintendo fan, heck I still have 2 SNES consoles at home just so we can play some sweet, sweet, sweet 5 player Bomberman action! I pray that they release that for download, that and Goldeneye and I'll be able to retire my SNES' and my N64.
It would be nice if they had some system where you could prove you had the original cart of a game and they would give you the download for free. I must own between SNES and N64 over 200 carts
But regardless of what anyone says, the Wii is going to be awesome, Nintendo are back in full effect!
Wow, I sound like a huge fanboy don't I? Oh well, I guess it's somewhat true. The only other thing I'm waiting for is Gears Of War
Anyone know of somewhere reputable for pre-orders?
Amazon has them http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B0009VXBAQ/
QUOTE(finalsin @ Sep 14 2006, 10:32 PM)
The New Nintendo Sounds Cool, But the only Problem I have with it , is if you need Broadband to d/l the games im shit outa luck , where i moved to i cant get shit but dial-up ( sure im not the only one ) , and to think i still have a xbox live account i cant even use.
Peace!
It would be nice, for those without broadband, if you could use dialup to download some of the older games, especially since most of the NES and SNES games are less than 1MB (most NES less than 300KB for that matter).
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 15, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Many games will use just the Wii-mote... saying you'll need the nunchuck attachment is just pure speculation. Heck viewing all of the Wii-Sports footage I would say that the pack-in game doesn't even need it.
Also ALL of the wii attachments are $20 that includes the retro controller and the zapper in addition to the nunchuck.
Sure the controllers are expensive but lets put this in perspective.
The Xbox 360 controllers are $50... a wii-mote + nunchuck is $60 and that includes a speaker, built in memory, 2 6-axis motion sensors and an IR positional sensor on top of the standard controller functions.
Are you suggesting the new advanced Nintendo controller isn't worth $10 more then the standard controllers that the other companies are offering?
Post by: Andrew_Roy on September 15, 2006, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(vengeancegoon @ Sep 15 2006, 06:44 PM)
But if they didn't sell it seperately you'd bitch at the fact you broke your nunchuck controller and had to buy both of them again just to get the nunchuck!!
Seriously you people.
Why would I bitch about something I was expecting and had no reason to expect otherwise?
I've never had a Nintendo controller break on me, not even the N64 analog stick and it's not like Nintendo couldn't offer it as a replacement part if it did. So no, that never went through my head and no I wouldn't bitch about it, don't generalize me as someone who's trying to bring this thing down. I'm pissed because this is something I want and I don't want to to take it up the ass in the wallet.
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 15 2006, 07:45 PM)
Many games will use just the Wii-mote... saying you'll need the nunchuck attachment is just pure speculation. Heck viewing all of the Wii-Sports footage I would say that the pack-in game doesn't even need it.
I already knew Wiisports wouldn't need it but I'm hardly speculating how needed this is:
Madden 07
Marvel Alliance
Red Steel
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Super Mario Galaxy
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Elebits
Battalion Wars 2
Mario Strikers Charged
Call of Duty 3
Project H.A.M.M.E.R
Are all games that I just did a quick scan of that I was able to find that need the Nunchuck. Granted not all of these are multiplayer but Madden, Marvel Alliance and Mario Strikers are for sure and three games I was considering. This is just in the first wave of games, I'm positive I'm going to need that nunchuck.
QUOTE
Also ALL of the wii attachments are $20 that includes the retro controller and the zapper in addition to the nunchuck.
The zapper wouldn't have an accelerometer so I'm wondering why that attachment is so expensive now.
QUOTE
Sure the controllers are expensive but lets put this in perspective.
The Xbox 360 controllers are $50... a wii-mote + nunchuck is $60 and that includes a speaker, built in memory, 2 6-axis motion sensors and an IR positional sensor on top of the standard controller functions.
Are you suggesting the new advanced Nintendo controller isn't worth $10 more then the standard controllers that the other companies are offering?
The Xbox 360 controllers are $50... a wii-mote + nunchuck is $60 and that includes a speaker, built in memory, 2 6-axis motion sensors and an IR positional sensor on top of the standard controller functions.
Are you suggesting the new advanced Nintendo controller isn't worth $10 more then the standard controllers that the other companies are offering?
Well, since you brought it up, 50 dollars for a wireless Xbox 360 controller is too much and 40 for a wired is too much but I wasn't registered here when I was venting about that.
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 15, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 15, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: jhoff80 on September 15, 2006, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: sinister slipknot on September 17, 2006, 03:01:00 AM
Post by: sabbath_dude on September 17, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ Sep 17 2006, 10:08 AM)
QUOTE(sabbath_dude @ Sep 15 2006, 01:45 PM)
Well I just read that the Wii is going to cost £179.99 over here in the UK and its being released on Dec 8th. £179.99!!!!! ($339.93 USD)wtf!!!. Suddenly the Wii has become a lot less appealing to me!. Thats the same price I can pick up a 360 core pack for over here!. Waaaaay over priced if you ask me. I thought it was going to be really cheap since the US only pay $250. Rip off!
.Wii are going to get shafted though!
. See what I did there.
Post by: grim_d on September 17, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(sabbath_dude @ Sep 17 2006, 10:59 PM)
Wii are going to get shafted though!
. See what I did there.i dont think wii are, wii always knew it was gonna be around £150.
so for £180 your getting the console, the remote, the nunchuck and a copy of wii sports. Bargain if you ask mii. thats £100 less than a 360 and it coes with a free game.
ive had mine preordered from play.com since the second i got my email about it.
still at least buying both a 360 and a wii is cheaper than a ps3..now thats shocking.
Post by: sabbath_dude on September 17, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: grim_d on September 17, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
As for the extra 30 quid i dont mind because i wasnt expecting there to be a game and the nunchuck bundled in it. Id of happily payed 200. Well after zelda i will have
Plus i reckon alot of kids will have asked their parents for a wii instead of a 360 for the new controller..plus in realty who acctually wants a core?
Post by: faithie on September 23, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
QUOTE(sidewinder33 @ Sep 14 2006, 11:43 AM)
I was on the fence about getting a Wii before but if I can go and get my favorite old games for so cheap, then I will definately get one. Even if I think the controller is kinda funky. The low price tag doesn't hurt either.
Seriously, even if every game for the Wii sucks (which I don't think will actually happen) I would buy one JUST to get a chance to play some of my old favorite SNES or N64 titles. And it's so cheap!